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TJ Yates

Texecutioner said:
These Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson examples have got to stop, because they've gotten out of hand.
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Then put me on ignore. :smooch:

I think we have something that the Bucs and Ravens did not. Not only do we have a top rated defense, but we've got Andre Johnson, two elite RBs, and an offensive line widely considered one of the best in the NFL. Not to mention some great TEs and other solid targets.

Look, I'm not predicting anything for Yates. Dude is a rookie put in a high pressure situation. But, if decades of watching the NFL is not something that we can draw inspiration and hope from to discuss, what is the point of even having these conversations?
 
Texecutioner said:
Last night I was at a bar and this one guy we were talking to threw a huge tantrum when we told him that we weren't confident in TJ Yates. I've seen some homers before, but this guy took the cake. We were discussing other available guys that we'd like to have, and boy did this guy get heated at the fact that we didn't think some 5th round rookie was capable of taking us to the promised land. He talked as if TJ Yates was the most highly sought after QB of all time coming into the league. He even went on and on about how Yates won the game for the Texans last weekend and couldn't fathom the premise that the defense won it for the Texans along with the running game. It was some funny stuff watching this guy go ape **** over TJ Yates.
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Tex, I wasn't in Houston last night so it wasn't me. I may be wrong to the 9th degree but something about this "kid" says he's just got *it*. I know what I saw when he took over the 2 minute drill. When he went into the huddle and says "what's up fellas, let's go" says alot to me. The game doesn't sound "too big" for him. Until proven wrong I'm going to be in Yates' corner. I believe he can get it done.
 
From ESPN:

Plugging him in as the lead guy is hardly something the Texans envisioned, and hardly the sort of thing seen around the league.

One team that experienced similar circumstances was the 1979 Los Angeles Rams.

After losing Pat Haden to injury in Week 10 that season and then getting an ineffective start from Jeff Rutledge in a Week 11 loss tot the Chicago Bears, the Rams turned over the starting job to Vince Ferragamo, then a third-year pro who had never started an NFL game before.

Ferragamo posted a 4-1 record over the remainder of the regular season as the Rams won the NFC West. They then beat the Cowboys in Dallas and the Buccaneers in Tampa Bay in the NFC playoffs before they fell to the Steelers, 31-19, in Super Bowl XIV.

Someone asked Yates, who was born in 1987, if he knew who Ferragamo was. He said no. Relayed Ferragamo's story, he said simply, "sweet."

Can Yates do anything similar?

Schaub thinks the rookie is equipped to succeed.

“The one thing that I’ve observed, I’ve been in this type of offense now … all the way back into my college days. T.J., for being a rookie, he’s probably picked this offense up to the point where he can function in it well, faster than anyone I’ve seen, including myself, including a lot of players that I’ve been around,” Schaub told KILT radio in Houston this week. “That’s a big credit to him, because this is not an easy offense to pick up. … I, personally, have a ton of confidence that he’s going to go in there and play very well.”

It’s not just the understanding, though. Right tackle Eric Winston said Yates is the most athletic of the Texans’ top three quarterbacks. Matt Williamson of Scouts Inc. likes Yates’ arm: “He throws the ball quite well and should be able to get the ball to where it needs to be.” And everyone is talking about the youngester's calm, a key quarterback quality.

The Texans regard themselves as having supreme resolve, and they should. Their top players on offense have missed time -- receiver Andre Johnson was out six games with a hamstring injury and running back Arian Foster missed two and hardly played in one with a hamstring injury -- and outside linebacker Mario Williams was lost for the season with a torn pectoral muscle suffered Oct. 19 against Oakland.

Kansas City probably didn’t come into the season with as much talent as the Texans. But the Chiefs won their division and appeared in the playoffs last season. This season they’ve lost safety Eric Berry, tight end Tony Moeaki, running back Jamaal Charles and quarterback Matt Cassel for the season along the way in their follow-up year.

They are 4-7, tied with San Diego at the bottom of the AFC West.

Houston’s had far better results overcoming injuries.

The mantra is how it’s about the team.

“They know how big the challenge is this weekend, but [they are a] very upbeat group, very positive group,” coach Gary Kubiak said. “… It’s a new world for [Yates]. Last week, he’s getting more reps because he’s the backup. All of a sudden, he’s running the team [Wednesday] and got a lot on his plate, mentally from leaving the classroom to coming out here, but he did fine. He’ll get better every day out here, and that’s the most important thing. The key is everybody else making sure they do their job.”

Said Yates: “Everybody around me is very confident. You can tell this team
hasn’t really skipped a beat as far as intensity or tempo at practice. Nothing seems different except for it’s just a different guy at quarterback.”

Atlanta is the toughest team the Texans will have faced in some time. It’s a game they could have lost even with Schaub healthy. If they lose it with Yates it will hardly be a season-killer.

They simply need to see he can manage the game, maintain the calm they’ve lauded, and can make enough throws to make a defense either stay honest or pay the price for loading up the box with an eighth defender to slow Foster and Ben Tate.

If Yates does that, he can be enough.

If he does that, the Texans will have a chance to make us talk more about how he and the Texans can compare to Ferragamo and those Rams.
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Texecutioner said:
, than maybe I'm wasting my breath here, but even if that were the case I still wouldn't feel confident with a rookie, because he's a rookie and he wasn't even a high prospect at that.
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This is a system.. a QB friendly system. It is designed to be easy for QBs to be successful.

A special QB will make this offense special.

We don't need the rookie to be special.

Who the heck is Sage Rosenfels? Nowhere else has their ever been fans wanting Sage Rosenfels to take a meaningful snap for their team. Nowhere, but Houston.

Now, Sage had been in the NFL a lot longer than Yates has by the time he took snaps for this team, but how many meaningful snaps did he take?

Sage also did not have this defense, or this running game.
 
Double Barrel said:
Look, I'm not predicting anything for Yates. Dude is a rookie put in a high pressure situation. But, if decades of watching the NFL is not something that we can draw inspiration and hope from to discuss, what is the point of even having these conversations?
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Good point.


I quit.
 
Double Barrel said:
Then put me on ignore. :smooch:

I think we have something that the Bucs and Ravens did not. Not only do we have a top rated defense, but we've got Andre Johnson, two elite RBs, and an offensive line widely considered one of the best in the NFL. Not to mention some great TEs and other solid targets.
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So all of a sudden you of all people think Yates (Some 5th round kid) is capable of leading this team even though I've never heard you mention confidence in this kid ever until now because he's starting and we're 8-3? You've also belittled Kubiak's coaching for many years now, and all of a sudden you think Kubiak and some 5th round rookie have a great shot??

Double Barrel said:
Look, I'm not predicting anything for Yates. Dude is a rookie put in a high pressure situation. But, if decades of watching the NFL is not something that we can draw inspiration and hope from to discuss, what is the point of even having these conversations?
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Of course we can all hope. I'm hoping, but that doesn't stop me from being objective. There is no point of having a conversation if we're not going to try to be objective. Otherwise, we should all just say we think we'll win no matter what and that we're the best team regardless of any circumstances. I'm not going to ignore facts or history just because I have hope. I'd be faking it and it wouldn't be real.
 
Texecutioner said:
So all of a sudden you of all people think Yates (Some 5th round kid) is capable of leading this team even though I've never heard you mention confidence in this kid ever until now because he's starting and we're 8-3? You've also belittled Kubiak's coaching for many years now, and all of a sudden you think Kubiak and some 5th round rookie have a great shot??



Of course we can all hope. I'm hoping, but that doesn't stop me from being objective. There is no point of having a conversation if we're not going to try to be objective. Otherwise, we should all just say we think we'll win no matter what and that we're the best team regardless of any circumstances. I'm not going to ignore facts or history just because I have hope. I'd be faking it and it wouldn't be real.
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Cant you just let people try to be positive about the kid. When Schaub was healthy why in the hell would we be trying to talk up Yates, especially when Schaub had led us to 7-3 ? That makes no sense.

And you can say what you want but we all saw how well composed T.J looked the last game, yeah he didnt get us many first down or points in the 2nd half, but that is on Kubiak. Cause he even said so himself, no much you can do when O.D is the next QB in line.

And also sometimes things dont go quite as planned, and you get a little surprise, i'm sorry but some of the greatest things in the world were found by mistake. Such as :kitten: Viagra, Artifical Sweetner, the Microwave, :specnatz: LSD ......there is a lot more but i will stop there.

So how come we couldnt accidently find a Diamond in the 5th round, why just because he wasnt a high "Prospect" like vince young, Matt Leinart, David Carr, Joey Herrington, Kyle Orton, Jamarcus Russell. Yeah :wadepalm: we all see how great them HIGH "Prospects" were.
 
Plugging him in as the lead guy is hardly something the Texans envisioned, and hardly the sort of thing seen around the league.

One team that experienced similar circumstances was the 1979 Los Angeles Rams.

After losing Pat Haden to injury in Week 10 that season and then getting an ineffective start from Jeff Rutledge in a Week 11 loss tot the Chicago Bears, the Rams turned over the starting job to Vince Ferragamo, then a third-year pro who had never started an NFL game before.

Ferragamo posted a 4-1 record over the remainder of the regular season as the Rams won the NFC West. They then beat the Cowboys in Dallas and the Buccaneers in Tampa Bay in the NFC playoffs before they fell to the Steelers, 31-19, in Super Bowl XIV.
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Perhaps a more apt comparison would be the 1976 Rams. LA lost their starter, James Harris and backup, Ron Jaworski, during the course of the season. In stepped rookie Pat Haden (a 7th round pick), who rode the leagues #4 defense and rushing attack to a division title.
 
Lucky said:
Perhaps a more apt comparison would be the 1976 Rams. LA lost their starter, James Harris and backup, Ron Jaworski, during the course of the season. In stepped rookie Pat Haden (a 7th round pick), who rode the leagues #4 defense and rushing attack to a division title.
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So now we know that in 35 years, T.J. Yates will be the AD at USC.
 
thunderkyss said:
This is a system.. a QB friendly system. It is designed to be easy for QBs to be successful.

A special QB will make this offense special.

We don't need the rookie to be special.

Who the heck is Sage Rosenfels? Nowhere else has their ever been fans wanting Sage Rosenfels to take a meaningful snap for their team. Nowhere, but Houston.

Now, Sage had been in the NFL a lot longer than Yates has by the time he took snaps for this team, but how many meaningful snaps did he take?

Sage also did not have this defense, or this running game.
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Great post, man. My hope is that this QB-friendly system is something that Yates can manage, and along with our defense, maybe, just maybe, we can score early and our defense can do what they do best: protect a lead with aggression.

Texecutioner said:
So all of a sudden you of all people think Yates (Some 5th round kid) is capable of leading this team even though I've never heard you mention confidence in this kid ever until now because he's starting and we're 8-3? You've also belittled Kubiak's coaching for many years now, and all of a sudden you think Kubiak and some 5th round rookie have a great shot??
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C'mon, man. I'm not some Kubiak fanboy. He is what he is and I just hope he's grown as a HC and has advanced to the point that he's not costing us games with bad time management and bonehead calls.

I did not say that I think Yates is capable. I just hope that he's capable. There is a huge difference between knowing and hoping.

"Great shot" is your words. I could be extremely negative about our chances right now. Part of me wonders if 8-8 and missing the playoffs is our destiny, because I've been conditioned by a decade of perpetual mediocrity and I'm a cynic at my core.

Should I just jump off that bridge and use my objective analysis to preach doom? That would be easy to do, as well.

I'm just having fun - right now - as a fan. Hoping against all odds that this is really a different season. Because I could just as easily know that this is typical of our team's history and 8-3 will be the highpoint of the season.

Texecutioner said:
Of course we can all hope. I'm hoping, but that doesn't stop me from being objective. There is no point of having a conversation if we're not going to try to be objective. Otherwise, we should all just say we think we'll win no matter what and that we're the best team regardless of any circumstances. I'm not going to ignore facts or history just because I have hope. I'd be faking it and it wouldn't be real.
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I am trying to be objective, but looking at the potential positives instead of dwelling on the negatives. I'm talking about the potential of our strengths as a team instead of running with the glaringly obvious negative of a rookie QB starting in week 12.

I'm going to suspend my belief in the trend, if even for a moment. I fully understand that tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. I could be snapped back to a reality that our season is effectively over.

I'm not arguing here, but just saying that the sliver of hope available is a life raft to cling to as a fan trying to remain optimistic. Perhaps I should just take off the life vest and sink into the depths...

thunderkyss said:
Good point.


I quit.
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Me, too. :cowboy1:
 
If Yates performs poorly Delhomme will be making SB appearance #2.

How's that for the power of positive thinking?
 
If this team loses all five games and misses the playoffs and Gary is not fired then I will quite on this team. Even with Yates there should not be any excuses this year. This team should be a wildcard at worst. I don't them having a major let down and losing out.
 
Originally Posted by Texecutioner
, than maybe I'm wasting my breath here, but even if that were the case I still wouldn't feel confident with a rookie, because he's a rookie and he wasn't even a high prospect at that..
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Just FYI, Tom Brady was a not very highly touted 6th round pick (I believe) While Ryan Leaf was all the talk coming out of college....
 
http://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/t-j-yates-makes-1248312.html

It took a moment for Carol Yates to understand the significance of what was happening. Motherly instincts tend to take over.

From high atop Jacksonville’s EverBank Field, she watched as Texans quarterback Matt Leinart left the field injured in Sunday’s game against the Jaguars. Her first thoughts were concern for the player’s health and, then, how unfair it was for Leinart, finally getting another chance to start a professional football game.

At the same time, she and her husband, John, noticed his replacement, No. 13, trotting onto the field. It was their son, T.J. Yates, about to make his NFL debut.

“We were stunned to the point we couldn’t speak,” Carol said. “I was thinking ‘He’s not ready. He hasn’t even warmed up.’

“It was the most surprising thing in my whole life, one of my top five moments of my life.”

It was the latest leg in Taylor Jonathan Yates’ remarkable journey from Pope High School to the University of North Carolina and on to the NFL. The odyssey continues Sunday when Yates starts for the Texans against his hometown Falcons.

The 24-year-old rookie has been pressed into a starting role after the Texans lost Matt Schaub (foot) and backup Leinart (broken collarbone) to season-ending injuries in back-to-back weeks. A fifth-round draft pick, Yates was inactive for the first 10 games and moved to the No. 2 spot only after Schaub’s injury. With their son in uniform for the first time and with the proximity of Jacksonville, his parents made the trip to Florida for what they thought would be a relaxing weekend.

“I said to my husband, ‘This is so much fun to come to a game and not freak out and just enjoy it,’” Carol said.

Little did they know.

“Yeah, it’s pretty cool,” Yates said of being thrust into the limelight. “I try not to think too much about it. I’m trying to stay as focused as possible. I’m trying to keep my head out of all the other stuff. It can do nothing but affect my play on the field.”

A year off

Yates’ youth football career started as a third-grader in Indianapolis. The family moved to Cobb County shortly after, and Yates continued to play through his sophomore year at Pope. After a difficult campaign, he took his junior season off to concentrate on basketball.

The 6-foot-4 Yates, who played on the national AAU level, had plans to play Division I basketball. However, he wasn’t attracting offers from top-tiered schools. He accepted the invitation of new Pope coach Bob Swank - after many meetings - to return to football. A chance to play a final season with his friends and a new offensive scheme finally swayed him.

Early in his senior season, North Carolina recruiters attended a game to watch a pair of linebackers on the opposing team. They quickly noticed Yates. He threw five touchdowns and for more than 300 yards in a double-overtime loss.

About a week later, Yates got a call from then-North Carolina coach John Bunting offering him a scholarship. He accepted immediately.

“That was really how good he was,” Swank said of the speed of the recruitment. “T.J. just tore it up. You could see in person he was that good. [After he signed with North Carolina], all of a sudden there was a buzz about him. He wasn’t on anyone’s radar screen because he hadn’t played his junior year.”

Swank had tried to convince the staff at Toledo, where Swank spent the last of his 14 years in the college ranks before coming to Pope, to look at Yates. He told them he was better that Bruce Gradkowski, who played at Toledo and is now in his sixth season in the NFL. Swank said that Maryland and Virginia made offers to Yates once North Carolina recruited him.

Rule changer

Yates played four seasons at North Carolina under Butch Davis, who replaced Bunting. It wasn’t always easy. After a 4-8 campaign as a freshman, Yates led the Tar Heels to three consecutive 8-5 seasons.

His mother recalls that Yates was once booed at a basketball game when he appeared on the scoreboard after his junior season.

Yates threw for 3,418 yards, 19 touchdowns and nine interceptions his senior season. He rallied the Tar Heels to a dramatic comeback 30-27 double overtime victory over Tennessee in the Music City Bowl. The game was highlighted by Yates’ alertly spiking the football with one second remaining in regulation even as the field-goal team attempted to get on the field. After ruling the game over, officials reviewed the play. North Carolina was penalized for too many men on the field, allowing them to kick the game-tying field goal.

This season, the NCAA changed the rule to institute a 10-second runoff as an option if a team commits a penalty that results in a clock stoppage. It is known as the “Dooley Rule” in some circles after Tennessee coach Derek Dooley. It is known as the “T.J. Rule” in other parts.

The play drew praise from North Carolina men’s basketball coach Roy Williams. “I’d take T.J. Yates as a foxhole buddy, because when it was chaos, that young man used his brain, and he’s tough enough to stand in there make throws,’’ Williams said on a radio program. “And I just love him to death.”

Yates, who was named the 2010 Tar Heel of the Year, was one of three recipients of the school’s Patterson Medal for career athletic accomplishment. He will accept the medal in February - at a basketball game.

Yates finished with 9,377 yards and 58 touchdowns. He set more than 40 school records, including every mark for single-season and career pass completions and yards. According to the North Carolina sports-information department, Yates will become the first quarterback from the school to start an NFL game.

Opportunity calls

Yates was drafted in the fifth round by the Texans with the 152nd overall pick. Coach Gary Kubiak said the team had no plans to draft a quarterback, but couldn’t pass on Yates. He spent most of the NFL lockout in Houston working with Schaub and other players informally. As training camp began and the roster trimmed to the final number, the Yates family hung on the hope the Texans would carry three quarterbacks. They did.

Yates waited behind Schaub and Leinart until finally getting his chance Sunday in the final seconds of the first half.

Yates finished 8-of-15 for 70 yards, throwing only nine passes after halftime, as the Texans won 20-13 to improve to 8-3.

“He’s been forced into a tough role, but that’s what he’s here for,” Kubiak said. “He’s worked extremely hard for his opportunity. ... He’s got a bright future in this league. He can do all the things you ask him to do.”

When Yates got into the game Sunday, it set off a wild reaction back home. When his older brother, David, got phone calls that Yates was in the game, he switched from tracking the game online and raced to eldest brother Evan’s home. When they couldn’t get the game on satellite, they moved on to a restaurant for the final quarter.

“I was freaking out,” David said. “I didn’t expect it to be so exciting.”

John and Carol will make the much longer trip to Houston this week. Perhaps their son can score better tickets this time as a starter. They will want to be lower than five rows from the top of the stadium, as they were in Jacksonville.

“It is a very big opportunity,” Yates said. “It’s hard not to look at it in that way because I never expected to be playing this early in my career, especially under the unfortunate circumstances. Two guys ahead of me going down, you never want to see that happen. You have to take every opportunity you get and run with it.

“I’m trying not to look too much outside the box this week. I’m trying to take it meeting by meeting, practice by practice and game by game - just trying to get better every day.”
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Havent seen this anywhere yet.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I haven't seen this posted anywhere.


A VIDEO COMPILATION OF ALL OF T J's 1ST GAME PASSING PLAYS
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I didn't get to see the game, but seeing this video actually gives me a little more confidence. Yates seems to have good pocket presence. When the pocket collapses, he moves where as Shaub use to irritate me bc he would tuck and crumble more off than not. Too often I saw Shaub just accept a sack when he still had time to attempt to avoid it. I could be being nit picky. Yates moves well also, and seems to know when to get rid of the ball. His passes seem pretty accurate, expecially the one to AJ with 4 defenders.

Dare I say, I'm actually excited about his potential. Already, to me, he looks better than Sage ever did, or the back up we had before sage who's name escapes me for some reason right now.

Sad part is, there has always been some sort of QB controversy among fans. I don't think anyone has ever been completely sold on Shaub. Out of all the jerseys I own, not one of them is a #8 (I gave the HWNWNBM to goodwill some time ago) Yates, I see something different in him and I believe he can prosper in our system.

I guess the point of this post, is all hope is not lost...far from it. Yates could have went in and looked like Ponder or Gabbert or one of the other rookies, but he seems to have more poise...and that is something to put some faith in.
 
gary said:
If this team loses all five games and misses the playoffs and Gary is not fired then I will quite on this team. Even with Yates there should not be any excuses this year. This team should be a wildcard at worst. I don't them having a major let down and losing out.
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I won't quit on the team, but yeah...

Playoffs or layoffs in 2012
 
gary said:
If this team loses all five games and misses the playoffs and Gary is not fired then I will quite on this team. Even with Yates there should not be any excuses this year. This team should be a wildcard at worst. I don't them having a major let down and losing out.
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A wildcard is going to need a minimum of 10 wins this year.

What are you basing your expectations on?
 
thunderkyss said:
A wildcard is going to need a minimum of 10 wins this year.

What are you basing your expectations on?
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What do you mean? They had just better eek out two more wins somewhere. T.J. is not a reason not to at least make it IMHO.
 
Here's another interesting TJ Yates article back in August. I have not seen this one posted.

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Note the pinky things again. "Tea Time with TJ." :whistle:

Texans put rookie QB on accelerated learning curve
Under the gun
With Matt Leinhart unable to practice, Texans have put rookie QB T.J. Yates on an accelerated learning curve
CRAIG MALVEAUX
Published 05:30 a.m., Thursday, August 4, 2011

T.J.Yates dropped five steps into the pocket, scanning the field of receivers who cut across the hash marks. Seeing the separation between Terrence Toliver and his defender, Yates adjusted his shoulders and released a crisp pass toward the sideline.

The football, however, was underthrown, allowing cornerback Sherrick McManis to recover and make the interception.

On the next play, Yates fumbled a routine handoff to the running back. The rookie quarterback gathered himself and strung together a series of consecutive completions.

"T.J. has shown some very good signs of short-term memory out there," said quarterbacks coach Greg Knapp. "In this business, every quarterback is going to have some tough times, but you have to fight through them and bounce back, and he's done that so far."

Yates, 24, has been placed in a tough position in camp. There's no time for him to dwell on mistakes. He's too busy processing large volumes of information and taking two-thirds of the snaps thanks to NFL regulations preventing Matt Leinart from practicing until today.

The last three days have been mentally grueling for Yates, who just received the playbook last week. But he isn't complaining.

"I don't even know what day of the week it is," he said with a smile. "I've been extremely lucky to get this many reps as a rookie this early in camp, so I'm taking it one day at a time and working with Coach (Gary) Kubiak and Coach Knapp to get better. It's been awesome."

As expected, the NFL's learning curve - especially at quarterback - is steep for him. Reading the defense, understanding the progressions, improving footwork in the pocket and making smarter decisions with the football are all things Yates is learning daily.

"He's taking two steps forward and a step backward, which we expect because he's going to make mistakes," Knapp said. "But we're seeing good progress. T.J. is a smart kid that has managed a lot of information very well in a short amount of time."

Yates said familiarity has been instrumental in his improvement.

"Half of the verbiage within the offense is the same as North Carolina," he said of his alma mater. "There are a lot of the same concepts so being able to memorize them and the formations has def-initely made the transition a lot easier."

Kubiak praised Yates' growth following Tuesday's practice.

"If you want to pick out a guy that's made the most improvement from practice one to two, it was him," Kubiak said.

Watching starting quarterback Matt Schaub has been helpful.

"I'm learning the little things about how to work cadences and how he kind of approaches things in the huddle," Yates said. "You have to mimic his exact cadence, you have to say the exact same things that he says in the huddle so when you get in the huddle with his guys there's no dropoff."
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http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...-QB-on-accelerated-learning-curve-2079166.php
 
Texecutioner said:
I disagree. Schaub may not be mobile, but he has a pretty accurate arm as a passer and has shown for several years now that he can lead this team and put up a lot of points. He's a poor man's Kurt Warner and I'm alright with that unless there is a better and younger guy that has the potential to be elite.



I'm not high on Yates at all, and I'm hoping that he'll surprise me, but as far as the future goes I want to look for other options unless Yates kicks ass and takes names.
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Of course he has shown he can run the offense, but he has shown me enough to know that he can never lift this franchise up an carry them on his shoulders as play making QBs need to do from time to time, and in the playoffs, like a Warner and others. I've seen him come up short too many times in the regular season, INTs to end games, failed drives, etc. I've never identified the clutch gene in him. And in all honesty, my fear before Schaub went down, was one and done in the playoffs, getting outsted by a more experiened playoff team and playoff veteran QB. Thats how much I lack in faith with him.
 
Texcore said:
Of course he has shown he can run the offense, but he has shown me enough to know that he can never lift this franchise up an carry them on his shoulders as play making QBs need to do from time to time, and in the playoffs, like a Warner and others. I've seen him come up short too many times in the regular season, INTs to end games, failed drives, etc. I've never identified the clutch gene in him. And in all honesty, my fear before Schaub went down, was one and done in the playoffs, getting outsted by a more experiened playoff team and playoff veteran QB. Thats how much I lack in faith with him.
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Then "in all honesty", why waste your time here on the Texans board. Shirley, there's another board out there that you'd feel much more comfy on. Sheesh.
 
Texcore said:
Of course he has shown he can run the offense, but he has shown me enough to know that he can never lift this franchise up an carry them on his shoulders as play making QBs need to do from time to time, and in the playoffs, like a Warner and others. I've seen him come up short too many times in the regular season, INTs to end games, failed drives, etc. I've never identified the clutch gene in him. And in all honesty, my fear before Schaub went down, was one and done in the playoffs, getting outsted by a more experiened playoff team and playoff veteran QB. Thats how much I lack in faith with him.
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Really Schaub finally had a defense to help out one of the top 5 best offense in the last 3 seasons, and he led us to a 7-3 record. No team can win a championship without a defense and we have not had even a descent one until this season. Get outta here with that retarded ****.

You sound like the talking heads on BSPN.

Oh and u must not watch games if you havent seen the clutch gene in him, 2 times last season he succedded, and many other time he brought us back only to have our D give up the lead again and he had to do it all over again. When the other team can score on your D in less than a minute, that dont help ur QB once he has took us down the field and given us the lead,
 
Texcore said:
Of course he has shown he can run the offense, but he has shown me enough to know that he can never lift this franchise up an carry them on his shoulders as play making QBs need to do from time to time, and in the playoffs, like a Warner and others. I've seen him come up short too many times in the regular season, INTs to end games, failed drives, etc. I've never identified the clutch gene in him. And in all honesty, my fear before Schaub went down, was one and done in the playoffs, getting outsted by a more experiened playoff team and playoff veteran QB. Thats how much I lack in faith with him.
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See, for me, I've seen the clutch gene in Schaub quite a bit. Sure, he's thrown some ints to end games but he's also scored a lot in the final few minutes of the game that SHOULD have sealed the deal... just to watch the defense piss it away. Last season, he brought our team back several times. To me, that's cluch.

And even if he would have played and even if we would have been one and done in the playoffs, that wouldn't have bothered me. Lots of "great"/"elite" QBs have gone one and done in the playoffs. How long has it been since Brady has won a playoff game? How many playoff games has Manning lost? Brees?

For me, I see this season as being our chance to get into the playoffs and get experience at it. I'm looking at this as being the first of many playoff appearances. I was hoping Schaub would get to the playoffs this season to get valuable experience for next season and the season after that.
 
Perki-Perk said:
Just FYI, Tom Brady was a not very highly touted 6th round pick (I believe) While Ryan Leaf was all the talk coming out of college....
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I know what Tom Brady was, so are you suggesting that Yates might become Tom Brady who is arguably one of the best 3 QB's of all time? Brady was an exception that isn't normal at all.
 
Texecutioner said:
I know what Tom Brady was, so are you suggesting that Yates might become Tom Brady who is arguably one of the best 3 QB's of all time? Brady was an exception that isn't normal at all.
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but it does happen, never know, he is looking pretty damn good so far in his first start
 
EllisUnit said:
but it does happen, never know, he is looking pretty damn good so far in his first start
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And I just watched Yates stumble his ass off after the snap and gain his composure and then throw a bomb down the field to AJ. Lol!!!!

He's looking good so far in this game.
 
A in the first half. C in the 2nd half.

I'll split the difference and give him a B overall. I like our chances with this kid going forward.
 
The stats won't consider his huge mistake that was wiped out by a penalty, but I can. Having said that, it was still a solid "game manager" kind of game for the most part, which is what they need -- just enough passing to keep defenses honest, but you still want to emphasize rushing and defense.

Loved how he felt the rush in the pocket and extended plays.

I liked seeing Kubiak go right back to the air on the play after the negated pick-six and not showing he lost confidence in the rookie.
 
I must apologize about TJ Yates I wasn't very happy with him getting in a game before veteran but the Kid has something special from what I saw he didn't panic at all. The kid can really throw the ball I think we have our QB of the future on our roster now good game TJ nice first game.
 
IMO, he made the play of the game when he tucked the ball, ran and got us to the 4th and 1 which allowed us to go for it, get the 1st and eventually a TD. If he would've did what Schaub would've, we'd a kicked a FG and most likely give ATL second life to win the game.
 
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