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TJ Yates

EVOLVIST said:
Right. But certainly you're not talking about Yates' footwork in yesterday's game? His footwork yesterday was miles above his footwork at UNC and certainly better than what we saw of Yates in the pre-season...which leads me to believe that working with coach Knapp has been paying off for him.

Collapsing pocket? No problem yesterday, though some of his throws were tentative resulting in incompletions.
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Absolutely not..... His footwork yesterday was terrific. His incompletions were either from good plays from the defense and yeah you could tell he was trying to hard to "not" make a mistake on some throws. I expect that to change with a full week of gameplanning. To be honest I haven't gone back to watch him in the pre-season to see how his footwork was. I happened to have a couple of UNC games recorded for personal reasons when he played and watched them. That's what I'm basing it off of.

His footwork wasn't terrible in the games that I watch. Pretty much what he did at times is what a lot of QB's do. His brain got ahead of his body, and he seemed to rush throws before his feet were set. It happens to even the best QB's in the game at times. So I'm not overly concerned after going back and re-watching him. If he gets in over his head and flustered then it can become an issue again, but if Kubiak has him prepared then hopefully we won't see this becoming a re-accuring issue for him. He'll get a lot of throws out of the pocket which will be a big plus.
 
Texn4life said:
I don't necessarily worry about Yates familiarity in the offense. I think he'll handle that well. The thing I worry about with Yates is his inconsistency with accuracy at times when I watched him at UNC. Going back now and re-watching some of those games I see them as correctable issues. Is Kubiak going to be able to correct them soon enough? I'm not sure.

He seemed to struggle with his progressions at UNC. Not necessarily recognizing them, but mainly transitioning and his footwork would sometimes look funky and lead to some bad throws especially under pressure. When he was just asked to get to the top of his drop and deliver he looks VERY good. This is a big reason I think we should either run the ball effectively on 1st down or throw on 1st down even more than we did with Schaub. Putting this kid in 3rd and long situations will not be good at all (Just like any young QB). I heard a lot of talk about his accuracy and inconsistency and I had the same critiques, but now I see it was mainly a result of his footwork. Almost kind of similar to the issues Cam Newton had trying to go through his progressions at Auburn. Hopefully Kubiak has been effective in getting him out of some of those bad habits.
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If 67% completion rate and 8.1 yard per ATTEMPT is not accurate then it must be really amazing when Yates finally become more accurate with better footwork.
(On top of that, among his 9 INTs, many of them weren't bad passes.)

I swear these "draft experts" just like to find fault, sometimes they make too much out of things.

I couldn't believe it when Jaws said that Newton only had about 30 "NFL" throws at Auburn. That was laziness on his part.
Others didn't even know that Newton had some snaps under Center.
The "1 read" card was the dumbest thing I've heard.
I've seen Cam made all 5 reads on a few occasions (obviously 4 reads and 3 reads were also in the card.)

In the college and draft forum, I had compared Newton with Gabbert, and concluded that Newton should be the #1 player drafted and Gabbert not worthy of first round status.
 
76Texan said:
If 67% completion rate and 8.1 yard per ATTEMPT is not accurate then it must be really amazing when Yates finally become more accurate with better footwork.
(On top of that, among his 9 INTs, many of them weren't bad passes.)

I swear these "draft experts" just like to find fault, sometimes they make too much out of things.

I couldn't believe it when Jaws said that Newton only had about 30 "NFL" throws at Auburn. That was laziness on his part.
Others didn't even know that Newton had some snaps under Center.
The "1 read" card was the dumbest thing I've heard.
I've seen Cam made all 5 reads on a few occasions (obviously 4 reads and 3 reads were also in the card.)

In the college and draft forum, I had compared Newton with Gabbert, and concluded that Newton should be the #1 player drafted and Gabbert not worthy of first round status.
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Inconsistency with accuracy is what I believe I initially said. He went through some extremely hot and cold moments which is normal. But in some games he was inaccurate. There's no hiding or defending it. Leinart completion percentage was great in our last game so let's not start making a debate by stating it. I said he was inconsistent with his accuracy which is the truth. I also said it was correctable.
 
Texn4life said:
Inconsistency with accuracy is what I believe I initially said. He went through some extremely hot and cold moments which is normal. But in some games he was inaccurate. There's no hiding or defending it. Leinart completion percentage was great in our last game so let's not start making a debate by stating it. I said he was inconsistent with his accuracy which is the truth. I also said it was correctable.
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And what games would those be?
I just want to watch to have a feel of how you define innacuracy.

I'm not even defending any QB, but sometimes we don't know whether the receiver runs a good route (or even a correct one).
He was playing with 3 sophomores and a Jr at receiver (in 2010).

Other times, it can be hard to see the pressure.
There are other issues that escape me for the moment.
 
The one thing that kinda bothers me from that Yates LSU highlight reel is that it looks like he's got a very, very low launch point. It looks like he's letting the ball go from his ear instead of from over his head. He's got some zip on the ball but if he's going to be launching it from there, he's going to have to be careful about finding good passing lanes or he's going to get a lot of balls batted down.
 
Texn4life said:
Leinart completion percentage was great in our last game so let's not start making a debate by stating it.
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Not difficult to be accurate when each attempt is yielding about 4 yards.

There was a starting quarterback for the Texans a few years ago who also had a very high completion percentage....
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The one thing that kinda bothers me from that Yates LSU highlight reel is that it looks like he's got a very, very low launch point. It looks like he's letting the ball go from his ear instead of from over his head. He's got some zip on the ball but if he's going to be launching it from there, he's going to have to be careful about finding good passing lanes or he's going to get a lot of balls batted down.
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The Pencil Neck said:
The one thing that kinda bothers me from that Yates LSU highlight reel is that it looks like he's got a very, very low launch point. It looks like he's letting the ball go from his ear instead of from over his head. He's got some zip on the ball but if he's going to be launching it from there, he's going to have to be careful about finding good passing lanes or he's going to get a lot of balls batted down.
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I think that's more about pocket awareness than anything i.e. knowing when a 6'5'' DLmen is right in front of you as you pass. Yates seems to have a good grip on that as a rookie in limited situations. At least he throws it over the top, Leinart really goes over and Yates does as well, I guess I never realized how side-armed Schaub gets sometimes.

I said it before and I'll say it again. I would prepare him like he's John Elway. First play of the game bomb it to Andre. Shock and awe lol....If they're going to keep a safety or two close to the line and turn up the heat on blitzes I really hope Kubiak lets loose the dogs instead of more turtles.
 
EVOLVIST said:
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The problem is... that's not Dan Marino's RELEASE point.

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Marino usually released from high above his head. Even if at some point he held the ball down.

What scares me with TJ Yates is that it looks to me -- and I could be wrong about this -- but it looks to me like he releases from right beside his head.

The good part of that though is that he looks like he's got a quick release and some zip on the ball.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The problem is... that's not Dan Marino's RELEASE point.

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Marino usually released from high above his head. Even if at some point he held the ball down.

What scares me with TJ Yates is that it looks to me -- and I could be wrong about this -- but it looks to me like he releases from right beside his head.

The good part of that though is that he looks like he's got a quick release and some zip on the ball.
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Right. Which was part of my point. One can snap a photo of a QB at any point in his throwing motion and you can see what looks like he's throwing from his ear hole, like the Marino photo.

But scope Yates below as he relases the ball.

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Regardless, the solid attributes you listed above are nice. Those balls had a comet's tail on them. But also, a low release or not (which I don't think he has), that double pump on the pass to OD (though it was incomplete), shows the presence of mind he has with a lineman jumping in front of his face.

One can only hope we don't see too many batted balls.

Edit: BTW, what's with the tea-sippin' pinky thing Yates has going on with his non-throwing hand in both photos? Maybe we are truly screwed! :thinking:
 
EVOLVIST said:
Right. Which was part of my point. One can snap a photo of a QB at any point in his throwing motion and you can see what looks like he's throwing from his ear hole, like the Marino photo.

But scope Yates below as he relases the ball.

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Regardless, the solid attributes you listed above are nice. Those balls had a comet's tail on them. But also, a low release or not (which I don't think he has), that double pump on the pass to OD (though it was incomplete), shows the presence of mind he has with a lineman jumping in front of his face.

One can only hope we don't see too many batted balls.

Edit: BTW, what's with the tea-sippin' pinky thing Yates has going on with his non-throwing hand in both photos? Maybe we are truly screwed! :thinking:
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I think that's a good sign. It means he's concentrating on precision passes and couldn't give #*(^ what his left hand looks like. If he starts letting his tongue hang out too (or something else weird like that), we got a baller on our hands.
 
In the extremely limited snaps that I've seen Yates take, it appeared to me that his release point against the Jags was higher then it was at UNC. I think that it is possible that he altered his throwing motion a bit between his college days and the Jags game. Maybe the Texans' staff has had him working on it.
 
One thing I would like to see Yates do (and I know many of you will say for him not to since we are down to him only) is keep drives alive if a running lane is there. I think his mobility is something that teams haven't prepared for and I would like to see him show that in our play action game.
 
El Tejano said:
One thing I would like to see Yates do (and I know many of you will say for him not to since we are down to him only) is keep drives alive if a running lane is there. I think his mobility is something that teams haven't prepared for and I would like to see him show that in our play action game.
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I'm all for doing once there's another QB on the sidelines who knows the playbook and has practiced the offense enough to be ready to run it. This week? Probably not so much running, IMO, but I would definitely like to see more play action.
 
EVOLVIST said:
Right. Which was part of my point. One can snap a photo of a QB at any point in his throwing motion and you can see what looks like he's throwing from his ear hole, like the Marino photo.

But scope Yates below as he relases the ball.

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Regardless, the solid attributes you listed above are nice. Those balls had a comet's tail on them. But also, a low release or not (which I don't think he has), that double pump on the pass to OD (though it was incomplete), shows the presence of mind he has with a lineman jumping in front of his face.

One can only hope we don't see too many batted balls.

Edit: BTW, what's with the tea-sippin' pinky thing Yates has going on with his non-throwing hand in both photos? Maybe we are truly screwed! :thinking:
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Actually, that picture makes me feel a lot better. From what I was seeing in his college footage, it looked like he was releasing a lot lower than that. And when I ran through the game last night, it looked like he was higher but still very low with his release. But that picture you've posted looks like his release is nice and relatively high.

So I must have just been imagining things.
 
El Tejano said:
One thing I would like to see Yates do (and I know many of you will say for him not to since we are down to him only) is keep drives alive if a running lane is there. I think his mobility is something that teams haven't prepared for and I would like to see him show that in our play action game.
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IIRC, Kubes said the same thing in his press conference. He's all for Yates using his athleticism to get out of the pocket and run.

He just didn't want him doing it last week when there was no one backing him up except for Owen Daniels.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
IIRC, Kubes said the same thing in his press conference. He's all for Yates using his athleticism to get out of the pocket and run.

He just didn't want him doing it last week when there was no one backing him up except for Owen Daniels.
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It will be interesting to see how accurate Yates is on the run?
 
ziggy29 said:
I'm all for doing once there's another QB on the sidelines who knows the playbook and has practiced the offense enough to be ready to run it. This week? Probably not so much running, IMO, but I would definitely like to see more play action.
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Aren't we the demanding one now? Knows the playbook AND has practiced enough to be able to run it?

You'll take your washed up, confused old geezer and like it sonny!
 
Hervoyel said:
Did you watch the NC-LSU link from 2010? Rolls out in the end zone just like Schaub and hits a WR in stride at the 50 for a 97 yard TD.

I'm not worried.
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If he can catch Andre and Jacoby in stride on those bootlegs (and not have them have to stop and wait for the ball), then I'll probably be doing backflips. Play gave me goosebumps as well.
 
Hervoyel said:
Did you watch the NC-LSU link from 2010? Rolls out in the end zone just like Schaub and hits a WR in stride at the 50 for a 97 yard TD.

I'm not worried.
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I have been feeling better about Yates after initially being pissed that the Texans lost another qb for the season. I really think Yates is the better option from here on out. Leinert did nothing sunday that looked like he had indeed changed. They do need to find the absolute best backup qb they can though because this year seems to be unpredictable as far as injuries.
 
76Texan said:
And what games would those be?
I just want to watch to have a feel of how you define innacuracy.

I'm not even defending any QB, but sometimes we don't know whether the receiver runs a good route (or even a correct one).
He was playing with 3 sophomores and a Jr at receiver (in 2010).

Other times, it can be hard to see the pressure.
There are other issues that escape me for the moment.
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I watched Virginia Tech in 2008 which is a game where he was pretty decent. Made a couple of errant throws, but overall he was good.

And I watched Virginia Tech last year. He threw 4 ints in this game, but some of those weren't his fault so I'm not holding him up to his stats.

I also watched a youtube clip on him from last year that shows all of his throws and runs against Clemson.

I've already explained what I saw in regards to his inaccuracy. His footwork wasn't sound at all times and it led to some errant throws (mostly low) which again is normal for a lot of Quarterbacks. I'm confident Kubiak's work has gotten him squared away.
 
HJam72 said:
I doubt the run game improves much against Atlanta, but the passing might.
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To start, Atlanta will probably put 8 or 9 in the box to shut down our run attack - daring Kubiak and Yates to prove the inexperienced QB can find the open receiver and take advantage of the run-prevent defense. I agree we can't play conservatively and expect to run effectively or win by being conservative. We need to throw the ball downfield from the get-go. But I think that OD should be a primary target as well as AJ.

If we can move the ball by the pass, this will open up the run lanes.
 
beerlover said:
It will be interesting to see how accurate Yates is on the run?
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What I like is that Yates looked good at UNC on roll out to either side.

Update: Yates has a stronger arm than Schaub and Leinart out of college. He still has the better arm now.

On one play in the game against Roc Carmichael's VTech (the LOS was the 22), Yates took the ball, faked a hand off to the RB (in straight I), faked a reverse to a receiver, and turned around at his 14-yd line (front foot planted with his weight leaning forward - good mechanic).
He bounced once then took a hop step with his right foot forward, planted his left foot at the 16 yd line and launched the throw.

This is the 2-man route that I talked about several times with the Roc in place of Kareem Jackson at LCB.
One safety came down to play the run; the other cut off the crosser.
The on-side receiver had inside position on Carmichael (and slightly ahead); ie. very open.
The off-side CB (RCB) took the post and would intercept the ball off a skinny post.
(Carmichael sucks the same as Jackson! :kitten:)

The RCB high-pointed the ball around the VT 27-28yd line (chest-high would be around the 25-26yd line) for the interception.

That's a 52-53 yd throw from the LOS (or 58-59 yards from where Yates set up shop.).
The fact that Yates was roughly 7 yards from the LOS (his base) instead of the normal 9 yards or so in a 7-step drop can be countered with the fact that he set up for the throw quicker.

And even if you add a couple yards (or rather, subtract a couple of yards), it was still a 50-51 yd throw, which is at least 3 more yards than I've seen Schaub or Leinart threw it.

So there you have it, Yates has a little better arm and can throw better on the run (on either side) than both Schaub and Leinart.
 
Texn4life said:
I watched Virginia Tech in 2008 which is a game where he was pretty decent. Made a couple of errant throws, but overall he was good.

And I watched Virginia Tech last year. He threw 4 ints in this game, but some of those weren't his fault so I'm not holding him up to his stats.

I also watched a youtube clip on him from last year that shows all of his throws and runs against Clemson.

I've already explained what I saw in regards to his inaccuracy. His footwork wasn't sound at all times and it led to some errant throws (mostly low) which again is normal for a lot of Quarterbacks. I'm confident Kubiak's work has gotten him squared away.
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Oh I agree that Yates still has a lot he can improve on.
From his footwork to his eye movement, etc.

But let's not forget that he lost his number one receiver (Greg Little, who is now doing quite well in the NFL) and his number TE (we know that the TE is very important in the WCO).
Not only that, he lost 4 RBs (yes, FOUR) during the year - and the RBs are also very important in the WCO.

His receivers consisted of a Jr, 2 Soph, and a Fr (and mistated earlier that it was one Jr and 3 Sophs).

He had to get in sync with new targets, and nothing can help except more reps together.
What he accomplished in his Sr. year was pretty astounding given those facts.

On the other hand, if he was even more accurate, he would have been drafted a lot higher.

I think the Texans were fortunate to find a guy they can work with (not saying that he's sure to turn out to be a legit NFL starter.)

If he can improve the way Schaub had, I think I'm going to like it!

BTW, once in a long while, on the deep ball, Yates would bring the ball back a bit too low on his hip and ended up with a long-winded throwing motion like Schaub used to do (and still does occasionally).
 
EVOLVIST said:
Listen to this: A podcast with Butch Davis, Yates' coach at UNC, after Yates was drafted by the Texans, before the lockout was lifted. This gives about as much insight as you'd want, coupled with things Schaub and Kubes have said.

http://old.houstontexans.com/news/PodcastCentral2.asp?AUTO=Y&EID=1354
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Thanks. Rep coming your way later.

Yates can surprise a lot of people. I think he will. I think he knows more of the playbook than some expect. The only holding him is what is between his ears, the same as Leinart. And if it is right between the ears, we will have a qb that can make our offense that much more explosive. It is possible that someone will have to start for Schuab next year and this might create a controversy if this guy develops in the right direction. I'm on the Yates train. Hopefully I don't regret it.
 
TexansBull said:
Thanks. Rep coming your way later.

Yates can surprise a lot of people. I think he will. I think he knows more of the playbook than some expect. The only holding him is what is between his ears, the same as Leinart. And if it is right between the ears, we will have a qb that can make our offense that much more explosive. It is possible that someone will have to start for Schuab next year and this might create a controversy if this guy develops in the right direction. I'm on the Yates train. Hopefully I don't regret it.
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Yeah, hopefully none of us will regret it, man (for those of us holding out hope for Yates).

Plus, I was talking to a friend today, and if Yates pans out, that would pretty much seal up that we won't be drafting a QB in the first round next year, but instead the best WR we can get in whatever slot we draft in the 1st. *shrug*
 
EVOLVIST said:
Yeah, hopefully none of us will regret it, man (for those of us holding out hope for Yates).

Plus, I was talking to a friend today, and if Yates pans out, that would pretty much seal up that we won't be drafting a QB in the first round next year, but instead the best WR we can get in whatever slot we draft in the 1st. *shrug*
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We've run through Matt Schaub and Matt Leinart.

We have to make QB the most important draft position. Schaub was already getting less mobile as every season passed, and now the foot injury means his chances are SLIM of ever being even the 2011 Schaub we know him to be.

QB is a problem now. There are some decent choices this season, too, and I would expect us to either trade UP in round 1 or take whatever our round 1 slot ends up being and use it on a QB even if we "think" he'd be there in round 2. QB is everything, IMO. Without it, the offense doesn't work.

Hell, even then...the new round 1 QB would still be a rookie and what can we reasonably expect from even a round 1 rookie QB who is just hitting the NFL and learning how to survive out there?

Gonna' be tough sledding one way or another, I suppose.
 
Is Schaub going to still be able to be around the team regularly and on the sideline to help Yates after he has his surgery tomorrow? Not sure if it's going to require some serious bed rest after this kind of surgery or not.
 
GP said:
We've run through Matt Schaub and Matt Leinart.

We have to make QB the most important draft position. Schaub was already getting less mobile as every season passed, and now the foot injury means his chances are SLIM of ever being even the 2011 Schaub we know him to be.

QB is a problem now. There are some decent choices this season, too, and I would expect us to either trade UP in round 1 or take whatever our round 1 slot ends up being and use it on a QB even if we "think" he'd be there in round 2. QB is everything, IMO. Without it, the offense doesn't work.

Hell, even then...the new round 1 QB would still be a rookie and what can we reasonably expect from even a round 1 rookie QB who is just hitting the NFL and learning how to survive out there?

Gonna' be tough sledding one way or another, I suppose.
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While I´m not totally against drafting a QB early I´m still baffled at the most important draft position. Schaub`s been playing well for us - not elite but well enough to carry us deep into the playoffs. If you want an elite QB you usually need a top 10 draft pick and a lot of luck (...). Both things the Texans usually lack.

So if a QB we really like falls in the draft and into our lap, sure take him. But there is no way I would reach for a QB - not when we are so close to being a real contender (another weapon at WR and a good NT and some good backups might be all we need).
 
GP said:
We've run through Matt Schaub and Matt Leinart.

We have to make QB the most important draft position. Schaub was already getting less mobile as every season passed, and now the foot injury means his chances are SLIM of ever being even the 2011 Schaub we know him to be.

QB is a problem now. There are some decent choices this season, too, and I would expect us to either trade UP in round 1 or take whatever our round 1 slot ends up being and use it on a QB even if we "think" he'd be there in round 2. QB is everything, IMO. Without it, the offense doesn't work.

Hell, even then...the new round 1 QB would still be a rookie and what can we reasonably expect from even a round 1 rookie QB who is just hitting the NFL and learning how to survive out there?

Gonna' be tough sledding one way or another, I suppose.
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If Yates comes in tearing the roof off this sucker, you're saying the Texans would still pick up a QB in the first round?

I agree about the Texans needing a QB, but there would be no way they'd reward a badass stretch from TJ Yates with drafting another QB in round 1, plus having Schaub on roster, and Lienart with another year on contract. No way.

Of course, all of this is predicated on Yates kicking the goddamn door down. If Yates comes in and sucks worse than hooker with a cavity, then yeah, hit the QB button in round 1. If Yates rocks it, however, our pal AJ needs a new buddy in the WR Corps.
 
I´ve just done a litte research since I don`t know much about college football... it seems like there are 4 potential franchise QBs in the next draft (Luck, Barkley, Griffin and Jones) - all of which should go between 1 and 11. The next QB has a 3d round grade (Tannehill).

So if we want one of the big 4 we need to get at least a top 10 pick. With us probably picking in the 20s, that will be expensive - think Falcons in the last draft. Would you really be willing to give up that much for a potential franchise QB? Think about it, the alternative is going with Schaub (or Yates if he has a kick ass year) - and using all those picks you saved to fill the holes of your team. Maybe get Floyd to fix the WR problem, Ta`amu to fill the NT problem or DeCastro to get a kick ass O-Line. And that`s only the first round.

I´d say no matter how bad Yates play - if Schaub gets healthy, only take a QB if one of the big 4 falls below #15. Otherwise just take bpa...
 
LikeMike said:
I´ve just done a litte research since I don`t know much about college football... it seems like there are 4 potential franchise QBs in the next draft (Luck, Barkley, Griffin and Jones) - all of which should go between 1 and 11. The next QB has a 3d round grade (Tannehill).

So if we want one of the big 4 we need to get at least a top 10 pick. With us probably picking in the 20s, that will be expensive - think Falcons in the last draft. Would you really be willing to give up that much for a potential franchise QB? Think about it, the alternative is going with Schaub (or Yates if he has a kick ass year) - and using all those picks you saved to fill the holes of your team. Maybe get Floyd to fix the WR problem, Ta`amu to fill the NT problem or DeCastro to get a kick ass O-Line. And that`s only the first round.

I´d say no matter how bad Yates play - if Schaub gets healthy, only take a QB if one of the big 4 falls below #15. Otherwise just take bpa...
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Tannehill won't last past the 2nd round. Kiper actually has him in his top 32 right now, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him go 1st round at all. Floyd is the receiver I think we need to draft if he's there in the first.
 
LikeMike said:
I´d say no matter how bad Yates play - if Schaub gets healthy, only take a QB if one of the big 4 falls below #15. Otherwise just take bpa...
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The big, big, big problem here is that Schaub is probably going to take about a year to get healthy and then we'll find out if he'll even be able to play again. This is a serious surgery on his plant foot. He might not make it back. And it would be a minor miracle if he was back in time for preseason or the beginning of the season.

So we're looking at Yates or Leinart at the beginning of next season.

In a perfect world, Yates BLOWS UP and makes this entire conversation moot. But if he doesn't... are we willing to write off next season with a rookie QB that might just get benched if Schaub comes back? If we pin our hopes on that rookie, then we're basically saying goodbye to Schaub. Our team SHOULD be good enough to get to the playoffs even with the rookie.

If we're willing to do that, then I'm concentrating on RGIII. If RGIII drops to about the 8th or 9th pick, then I find a way to trade up and get him. I'm not sure I'm willing to go up much higher than that and I might look at someone like Tannehill at the end of the first instead.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The big, big, big problem here is that Schaub is probably going to take about a year to get healthy and then we'll find out if he'll even be able to play again. This is a serious surgery on his plant foot. He might not make it back. And it would be a minor miracle if he was back in time for preseason or the beginning of the season.

So we're looking at Yates or Leinart at the beginning of next season.

In a perfect world, Yates BLOWS UP and makes this entire conversation moot. But if he doesn't... are we willing to write off next season with a rookie QB that might just get benched if Schaub comes back? If we pin our hopes on that rookie, then we're basically saying goodbye to Schaub. Our team SHOULD be good enough to get to the playoffs even with the rookie.

If we're willing to do that, then I'm concentrating on RGIII. If RGIII drops to about the 8th or 9th pick, then I find a way to trade up and get him. I'm not sure I'm willing to go up much higher than that and I might look at someone like Tannehill at the end of the first instead.
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This offense with RGIII would be just the remedy for the Colts with Andrew Luck.
I'd like to see that happen, but this GM hasn't shown the ballz to make such a move.
TJ's poise was apparent when he came into Sunday's game cold. Leinart was a
nervous wreck, and could only see Arian Foster. TJ at least is brave enough to
keep his eyes downfield.
 
I think we need to wait till we see how TJ handles the falcons.

We may not need to worry about drafting a QB next year.
 
DexmanC said:
This offense with RGIII would be just the remedy for the Colts with Andrew Luck.
I'd like to see that happen, but this GM hasn't shown the ballz to make such a move.
TJ's poise was apparent when he came into Sunday's game cold. Leinart was a
nervous wreck, and could only see Arian Foster. TJ at least is brave enough to
keep his eyes downfield.
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Over Rated IMO
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The big, big, big problem here is that Schaub is probably going to take about a year to get healthy and then we'll find out if he'll even be able to play again. This is a serious surgery on his plant foot. He might not make it back. And it would be a minor miracle if he was back in time for preseason or the beginning of the season.

So we're looking at Yates or Leinart at the beginning of next season.

In a perfect world, Yates BLOWS UP and makes this entire conversation moot. But if he doesn't... are we willing to write off next season with a rookie QB that might just get benched if Schaub comes back? If we pin our hopes on that rookie, then we're basically saying goodbye to Schaub. Our team SHOULD be good enough to get to the playoffs even with the rookie.

If we're willing to do that, then I'm concentrating on RGIII. If RGIII drops to about the 8th or 9th pick, then I find a way to trade up and get him. I'm not sure I'm willing to go up much higher than that and I might look at someone like Tannehill at the end of the first instead.
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So if that`s the case, we should get a high draft pick next season - or have a good QB in Yates. I wouldn`t sell the bank this year because the price would be too high. There never is a guarantee and lots of QBs end up being a disappointment (remember when Alex Smith was the safe pick with serious doubts about Aaron Rodgers?). So just go with it this year, find out at which position we draft and then look at our future. I´m pretty sure we`ll have Schaub back before the start of next season. He might not be as mobile... well he never was mobile.

But I like the thought of a young promising franchise QB sitting a year or two behind Schaub. Maybe we should trade with Indy for Luck ;-)
 
LikeMike said:
So if that`s the case, we should get a high draft pick next season - or have a good QB in Yates. I wouldn`t sell the bank this year because the price would be too high. There never is a guarantee and lots of QBs end up being a disappointment (remember when Alex Smith was the safe pick with serious doubts about Aaron Rodgers?). So just go with it this year, find out at which position we draft and then look at our future. I´m pretty sure we`ll have Schaub back before the start of next season. He might not be as mobile... well he never was mobile.

But I like the thought of a young promising franchise QB sitting a year or two behind Schaub. Maybe we should trade with Indy for Luck ;-)
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If we totally tank and Yates is totally abysmal, the worst we can do is 8-8 which means we'll be picking in the middle somewhere. That's not a high draft pick but it does make it easier for us to trade up into the 5-10 range.

From what Doc posted, the recovery time required could easily be a year assuming that he recovers to a point of being able to play at all. I don't think we should pin any hopes for him being back next year.
 
I was actually talking about the 2012 season (and Schaub not being healthy). Next draft we won`t have a high draft pick - and that means trading up will be too expensive.
 
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