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Thursday Night Football 2014

playa465 said:
Their team is predicated on strong defense with efficient offense. They don't have to dominate offensively to win, however you must admit with a healthy Percy Harvin they are more dangerous.
But I do agree they won't repeat since we're going 19-0 :koolaid::fans::trophy::gotexans1
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I don't believe they can repeat based on just defense and running game. Wilson was really damn good at protecting the ball and their leads, but I don't see them putting up a lot of performances like last night throughout 2014. I think they are playoff bound for sure, but once there the playoffs get so fluky and can come down to one play you need a bit of luck to pull off a SB win. The NFC is also really loaded and it's been so long since we've seen a repeat SB winner it makes it tough to predict.
 
the amount of tackles that marshawn lynch breaks each weeks is bordering on absurd. i'd like to see a stat of how many players are involved in each tackle - including missed/broken tackles and moving dog piles. lynch would probably double the next closest back. not only do the first two guys miss, it takes a group to get a hold of him - and he carries that group a couple extra yards.
 
Scooter said:
the amount of tackles that marshawn lynch breaks each weeks is bordering on absurd. i'd like to see a stat of how many players are involved in each tackle - including missed/broken tackles and moving dog piles. lynch would probably double the next closest back. not only do the first two guys miss, it takes a group to get a hold of him - and he carries that group a couple extra yards.
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You should also include the number of DBs who decide they can't. quite. get. there...
:)
 
infantrycak said:
That is exactly the opposite of what the NFL said which was it was not some sort of preseason only officiating.
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This is not the first time the NFL has said one thing and done the other for it's favorite teams while demanding it and more for others.

I predict an average of four penalties a game on the dbs FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
 
Ready for some in the field football talk and less off the field drama.

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Playoffs said:
Ready for some in the field football talk and less off the field drama.

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Baltimore is playing. I'm guessing they talk Ray Rice and watch football. Sound will be off when I watch. Actually, I'm spending almost all of my time watching UH-BYU anyway.
 
Not a bad game so far between Wash and NYG. Demps was just involved in a hit on Niles Paul which has sent him to the locker room for concussion testing.
 
TO's getting the best of the Redskins again! Somebody needs to check and see if that is Peyton playing for his brother!
 
I'm tired of Phil Simms. He says nothing insightful and is just plain annoying. Collinsworth is the best in the business out there.
 
It can't be too good for me since I've been on the phone and playing online poker for most of the game. Too many turnovers and my one player on ff is being checked for a concussion.
 
How is it that the Giants are always a Jeckyll & Hyde team? One week they look like the worst team in football, the very next week their dominating the opponent.
 
I feel bad for Niles Paul but that call irritated me. The defenders aimed at his chest/shoulder and then he lowered his head and initiated the helmet to helmet contact.

Defenders can't win. The rule is intentionally written in a way that gives the offensive player a clear advantage, even when he isn't "defenseless".

If you hit a guy above the belly button it is a personal foul, but if you hit him low and he injures a knee or ankle you are a "dirty player"..
 
Tonight the menu is......

1. Baseball playoffs/Dallas Stars Hockey
2. Baseball playoffs/Dallas Stars Hockey
3. Patriots/Jets

But, yeah, I'm keeping tabs as best I can. :)
 
I find it depressing to watch a team as bad as the Jets be able to move the ball up and down the field easily like they did the first two drives.

The Texans have LOTs more talent on O and struggle to move the ball. Drives me nuts.
 
I have been switching back and forth between NFL Thursday Night and the high school Ridge Point vs. Elkins games.
 
I thought it wasn't pass interference if a defensive player touches the ball, ie tipped, or intercepted.
 
JB said:
I must have missed that play, but I think when it happens determines
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If it happened before the defensive player touches it they can call holding.... which I think is what the call was, so.... forget I said anything.
 
Damn, Newton has a strong arm but no touch and accuracy ain't great
 
Dammit Drew!!
Don't you know y'all ain't supposed to win on the road!
There goes my perfect Pick"Em week.
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JB said:
Damn, Newton has a strong arm but no touch and accuracy ain't great
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He keeps on regressing. He was much better his rookie year but then again their offense goes into full retard mode. I think their HC, Rivera, and their OC, Shula, need to go.
 
The more Carolina tries to move toward a traditional offense the less effective Newton gets.

This is the main problem I have with these mobile guys who use their legs often. They depend on their legs too much, and they don't develop as a passer the way they need to because they can always use their legs to get out of trouble. There will eventually be a time when he is forced to make a play with his arm and more times than not he will not be able to.
 
bah007 said:
The more Carolina tries to move toward a traditional offense the less effective Newton gets.

This is the main problem I have with these mobile guys who use their legs often. They depend on their legs too much, and they don't develop as a passer the way they need to because they can always use their legs to get out of trouble. There will eventually be a time when he is forced to make a play with his arm and more times than not he will not be able to.
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Yeah, it seems like trying to rein them in to become passers with an alternative ala Young, McNair or McNabb ruins most of them. Don't really understand why that is the case, but definitely a risk taking one on.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah, it seems like trying to rein them in to become passers with an alternative ala Young, McNair or McNabb ruins most of them. Don't really understand why that is the case, but definitely a risk taking one on.
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Because they have to work at their craft to improve accuracy and reading defenses. Some are willing to put in the work some aren't. One thing is for sure QB's slow down s they get older, defenses don't.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah, it seems like trying to rein them in to become passers with an alternative ala Young, McNair or McNabb ruins most of them. Don't really understand why that is the case, but definitely a risk taking one on.
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Steve Young and Steve McNair were known to be pretty decent passers in college who happened to be able to run effectively. Not sure about McNabb because I didn't follow him in college.
 
When I was watching Newton throw, I was reminded of Vick back in Atlanta. He just throws an almost uncatchable ball. Way too much mustard.
 
ObsiWan said:
Steve Young and Steve McNair were known to be pretty decent passers in college who happened to be able to run effectively. Not sure about McNabb because I didn't follow him in college.
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I think that is what he was saying. Young, McNair and McNabb were passers first who could run very well as opposed to running QBs who are trying to become more proficient in the passing game. Although I think Cam is a good mix of both and is still learning. He has avg ~3800 passing yds per season in the NFL.
 
playa465 said:
I think that is what he was saying. Young, McNair and McNabb were passers first who could run very well as opposed to running QBs who are trying to become more proficient in the passing game. Although I think Cam is a good mix of both and is still learning. He has avg ~3800 passing yds per season in the NFL.
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Kind of. I'd put all of them in the scramblers rather than runners category. All of them had to learn the limitations of scrambling and refine their passing once they got to the NFL and they became what folks are looking for in a "mobile" QB - looking to pass until running is the only option. But it took some work for each. So many guys never make that translation or refinement. Roger Staubach would be an old school example.
 
Staubach and Fran Tarkenton were the early prototypes of the true QBs who could run, but they would mostly scramble to buy time to get receivers open. Young and Cunningham were the next-gen, and they would mix in some north/south running, but they still scrambled more often than not. McNabb eventually learned the art of scrambling and ended up being a solid QB with his arm.

I think Vick is the prototype of the modern "running QB". A guy whose primary skill is being athletic and running north/south. The inherent problem with these types of QBs is that they were always superior athletes throughout their football careers (little league, school, college), so never developed the inherent QB skills of pocket presence and consistent accuracy (not to mention pre-snap reads and being able to check off receivers after the snap).

Once these running QBs hit the NFL, it is often too late to learn many of those passing skills without the solid foundation built into their mentality at a young age. We are starting to see that change as younger players are being taught to embrace both athletics and passing skills, but runners tend to have a run-first mentality regardless.
 
Double Barrel said:
Staubach and Fran Tarkenton were the early prototypes of the true QBs who could run, but they would mostly scramble to buy time to get receivers open. Young and Cunningham were the next-gen, and they would mix in some north/south running, but they still scrambled more often than not. McNabb eventually learned the art of scrambling and ended up being a solid QB with his arm.

I think Vick is the prototype of the modern "running QB". A guy whose primary skill is being athletic and running north/south. The inherent problem with these types of QBs is that they were always superior athletes throughout their football careers (little league, school, college), so never developed the inherent QB skills of pocket presence and consistent accuracy (not to mention pre-snap reads and being able to check off receivers after the snap).

Once these running QBs hit the NFL, it is often too late to learn many of those passing skills without the solid foundation built into their mentality at a young age. We are starting to see that change as younger players are being taught to embrace both athletics and passing skills, but runners tend to have a run-first mentality regardless.
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Look at the difference between Michael Vick and Russell Wilson in terms of running/scrambling.
 
The game tonight is between the Texans next two opponents (Cleveland & Cincinnati). Here's hoping for a good game..
 
Let's see if Andy Dalton can get the first after that dreadful holding penalty.
 
playa465 said:
I think that is what he was saying. Young, McNair and McNabb were passers first who could run very well as opposed to running QBs who are trying to become more proficient in the passing game. Although I think Cam is a good mix of both and is still learning. He has avg ~3800 passing yds per season in the NFL.
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That doesn't really mean much anymore. Not in today's NFL. Newton has averaged 60% completions, 3800 yards, and 21 TD's per year during his career.

Our pass offense has been awful this year and, before being benched, Fitzpatrick was on pace to throw for 3400 yards and 20 TD's while completing 62% of his passes.
 
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