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This Is What I don't Understand About Houston Fans.....
- Thread starter Glacier
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
TheOgre said:
Look back at the post I was responding to and you will see while it listed DD in the example, he was describing results which were much more characteristic of Sanders. DD is a knock out 2-6 yds everytime guy. The hypo was break off a long one and then get stuffed 3 times--that is more akin to Sanders and was what I was responding to. I wasn't comparing DD to Sanders.
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
Glacier said:
Typical bandwagon fan, when the one's not doing well, you jump to the other, and deny you were ever a fan of the first. I bet if we examined your sporting gear we'd find 32 team colors. Easy to be a fan of a winning team then HUH? ROFL!
TexHorns
Waterboy
Glacier said:
The two main things on offense that "looked like a skunk" were the oline and wrs dropping balls. You can say the run blocking was good and Carr smells like a skunk but it doesnt make it true. If you watch the games, DD was getting most of those yards on his own, breaking tackles and making the first guy miss. I wouldnt give the online credit for one inch of DD's yards. As far as Carr goes you cant make a clear judgement without giving him at least good protection. IMO not even the Pepsi machine wearing a Vince Young jersey could play behind the Texans oline.
What we have are differences in draft philosophy. Hopefully we all can acknowledge that RB AND QB are not are biggest needs in this draft. It's a logical circle to talk about DD and run blocking. If the run blocking is good enough then Davis and Wells are a good combo. If the run blocking isn't good then Davis and Wells are a very good combo. Either way, we don't NEED a running back.
Similarly, if the pass blocking was terrible then David Carr did admirably. If the pass blocking was average and the coaching was bad then Carr did okay. This brings the academic question:
When you have the first selection do you manuever for need or take the best available player regardless of position?
If you buy into the first philosophy then you trade down. If you buy into the second then the players on the current roster aren't nearly as important as your grade of the potential player itself. So, to say Davis is a good running back isn't as much of an issue as how superior Bush is. This is the same as the question between Carr/Young.
Teams have won Superbowls with QBs worse than Carr. Teams have won Superbowls with running backs worse than DD. So, the question is whether either Bush or VY can be the principle player in a Superbowl run. I've stated my piece (Bush), but don't get particularly upset when people say VY. I can also see a very compelling argument for neither. So, as a Houston fan (since this is the subject of the thread) I really don't care right now. I know the coaches, scouts, and Cass will make their judgements and make their pick.
As an aside, I also lived in Fort Worth for five years (TCU). I found Cowboy fans to be unbearable. I heard the "hole in Texas Stadium was so God could watch his Cowboys" line enough to make me hurl. However, I also recognized I was in Cowboys country. However, I root for two teams each Sunday; the Texans and whoever plays the Cowboys.
Similarly, if the pass blocking was terrible then David Carr did admirably. If the pass blocking was average and the coaching was bad then Carr did okay. This brings the academic question:
When you have the first selection do you manuever for need or take the best available player regardless of position?
If you buy into the first philosophy then you trade down. If you buy into the second then the players on the current roster aren't nearly as important as your grade of the potential player itself. So, to say Davis is a good running back isn't as much of an issue as how superior Bush is. This is the same as the question between Carr/Young.
Teams have won Superbowls with QBs worse than Carr. Teams have won Superbowls with running backs worse than DD. So, the question is whether either Bush or VY can be the principle player in a Superbowl run. I've stated my piece (Bush), but don't get particularly upset when people say VY. I can also see a very compelling argument for neither. So, as a Houston fan (since this is the subject of the thread) I really don't care right now. I know the coaches, scouts, and Cass will make their judgements and make their pick.
As an aside, I also lived in Fort Worth for five years (TCU). I found Cowboy fans to be unbearable. I heard the "hole in Texas Stadium was so God could watch his Cowboys" line enough to make me hurl. However, I also recognized I was in Cowboys country. However, I root for two teams each Sunday; the Texans and whoever plays the Cowboys.
outofhnd
Rookie
Good Lord How did this turn into a draft discussion?
Im a Houston fan living In dallas. I root for houston 1st dallas 2nd and the rest with the exception of Tennessee & washington I watch with an open mind... I useed to hate the 49ers, But i really like Mike Nolan and think he is going to be a great coach.
Anyhow back to the draft.. its only like 3 months away.
Im a Houston fan living In dallas. I root for houston 1st dallas 2nd and the rest with the exception of Tennessee & washington I watch with an open mind... I useed to hate the 49ers, But i really like Mike Nolan and think he is going to be a great coach.
Anyhow back to the draft.. its only like 3 months away.
OzzO
.. and then?
thunderkyss said:
Bravo, good post. Your point made sense to me and some valid points in my thought process. Personally, I've been more of the "undecided - let the people in charge make the call" group with a slight lean towards Reggie and a sprinkle of "trade down". Till this point, never was towards Young - but you just sparked a little interest in him for me.
Ultimately, I'll probably still reside in the "undecided" group as I still have the homer tendencies that the FO will make the right call for the team with a new coaching staff, a consultant, a more hands on owner, and a bib brother watched GM.
Riddle me this, Batman (to hijack the thread even more) - there's been questions in the past of who's our #2 WR... do we have the #2 WR now, ready to go? I've head very little about quality WR's in this draft - it seems to be all QB/RB... all the time.
To get back on the thought of the original post though. The rush protection vs. QB on his nether region - that's been covered some with run block / pass block... To add, there could be some upgrading to the line, esp. at center. Carr developed happy feet in his beginning years with the Texans (is he one to prefer to roll out though - from his college days, or was he better at staying in the pocket?) and with buzzers, shorter drops, and visions of 700 lbs dropping on him numerous plays.... we'll see if Kubiak thinks that can be turned around. Guess, that answered your 2nd question as well.
The hype of Reggie... it's a preference. I do think we need a RBBC and not to mainly rely on one RB, if nothing else - to help with wear and tear over the season and career.
I do think we're going to have to get a QB sometime, if Ragone isn't going to step up (moreso than NFLE MVP) to really impress in the offseason and during practices to show he's a viable #2 to step in at a moments notice. Right now, if Carr gets injured - I'm not too thrilled with either current backup coming in.
Big B Texan Fan
Veteran
All 5 guys and their back-ups?! I guess you think anything is possible huh?Bobo said:
LBC_Justin
Rookie
STOP THE PRESSES!!!!Glacier said:
#1. The Texans running game is not as good as the stats seem. Let me explain. It is really easy to make an 8-10 yard run, when it is 3rd and 20 and your down by three touchdowns in the 4th quarter and your coach calls a draw play. The texans former coaching staff had a habit of running when we needed to be passing. Yes we picked up yards but only the yards the defensive formation was giving us. This artificially inflates the stats of our running backs.
#2. Yes, as everyone on here is claiming there is a huge difference between run blocking and pass blocking, they are totally different skill sets. No it is not a reflection on David Carr, sure you could point to a few times he shouldn't have been sacked but he is under emmense pressure. On the NFL network they did a show on pass protection. They had a timer and where showing how long each QB had to pass before the pocket clapsed. They were laughing at the Texans because the pocket was open for a millisecond. They felt bad for David. That is why they have to roll him out and move the pocket around because they can't protect it to save their lives.
#3 Dallas sucks. There are few trees there and the trees that are there are small (I'm originally from The Woodlands). Plus there is NO REASON for a city to be in that location. No Ocean, No big Lake, No port, No river, Valley, No mountains...........oh that's right that is where the train tracks crossed and passengers stopped there to take a dump.
A4toZ said:
Thanks for the props bro'
Jack Bauer
Rookie
Big B Texan Fan said:
As a team, yes it is possible.
Glacier
Waterboy
thunderkyss said:
woah woah now....
I am OBVIOUSLY against taking Bush with the 1st pick. Anyone who pays any attention at all to my posts clearly knows that.
I wouldn't say this at all though. This is simply not accurate. Reggie Bush, with a creative offensive coordinator will create horrible pressure on defenses by lining up out wide, in the slot or in the back field. He is a threat, though, an over hyped threat, given that he played against average talent until he played Texas, at which point, he looked more human....still good, but more human.
I don't believe reggie bush will be as successful if he ends up in a system where he exclusively lines up in the backfield. I'll say it again: he would be a perfect fit in Philly (puke) or Minnesota.
DRAMA
Rookie
Glacier said:
or Arizona??
I REALLY want Bush but hey, I'm thinking Fitzgerald, Dansby (or Leonard Davis) and their #1 will pretty much have me trading Bush before you can blink!!!
I mean, a guy can dream, right? We're drafting #1, why not ask for the world and see if someone bites?
DRAMA
Rookie
True...but hey - the mroe hype for Vince and Reggie, the more the asking price goes up. Everytime someone argues over those two, the more we could get if do trade. I hope we get Reggie
HOWEVER
if we do draft Vince or get a Dansby, Leonard Davis/ Adrian Wilson, #1 pick for it - see ya Reg (But if Reg is reading this - you're my boy, 5!!!!)!
HOWEVER
if we do draft Vince or get a Dansby, Leonard Davis/ Adrian Wilson, #1 pick for it - see ya Reg (But if Reg is reading this - you're my boy, 5!!!!)!
Glacier said:
Right, just like you said. Reggie within a creative offense. We were anything buy creative last year, or any of the four years we've "competed". And Kubiak( I assume) is going to make us a dominant run threat. I don't believe Reggie adds anything to this team, because we haven't, and won't be running those "fancy" Offenses......... St Louis, San Francisco, Indy, Buffalo.... but not us.... this is not a knock on Reggie, I'm just saying he's a square peg, we're kinda round...
LBC_Justin
Rookie
If we are going to be a running team then we don't need a guy like Vince Young either. We stick with Carr or draft Leinart or Cutler. Great running teams usually have Pocket Passers to keep the defenders in check.thunderkyss said:
I am starting to lean toward trading down and getting D'Brick. LOL I flip flop back and forth almost on an hourly basis.
As long as the player is a difference maker, I guess I don't care. I just want to win.
LBC_Justin said:
As long as you're keeping it honest. We're all fans here, and this VY/Bush/TradeDown "controversy" has really picked up the excitement of this season. I can't remember the last time I was this excited about the offseason, and I'm having a lot of fun to boot.