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The Texans’ Firings Tracker Thread.

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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The theory is that BOB is consolidating power by removing voices that are not in lock-step agreement with his... and also voices that have respect/carry weight with CAL and others that matter within and around the organization... Hopefully, that isn't what is happening, but the evidence is mounting.
I'm glad things are changing down on Kirby after 17 yrs.

Easterby is the guy with the juice to make these changes like Olsen. Not BOB
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
or put another way. . . .

2014: 76.1 (13th) - Healthy/beast JJ............. no healthy Clowney
2015: 85.1 (4th) - Healthy/beast JJ............. barely healthy Clowney
2016: 81.0 (6th) - No healthy JJ.................Reasonably Healthy Clowney (14 games)
2017: 76.8 (20th)* - No healthy JJ.................Fully Healthy Clowney
2018: 90.2 (2nd) - Healthy JJ and Clowney
2019: 64.4 (24th) - No Healthy JJ or Clowney on roster

But, but its coaching!!! As you can see, our defense largely went as the health of JJ and to a smaller extent Clowney went.
 

TheKDog

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
or put another way. . . .

2014: 76.1 (13th) - Healthy/beast JJ............. no healthy Clowney
2015: 85.1 (4th) - Healthy/beast JJ............. barely healthy Clowney
2016: 81.0 (6th) - No healthy JJ.................Reasonably Healthy Clowney (14 games)
2017: 76.8 (20th)* - No healthy JJ.................Fully Healthy Clowney
2018: 90.2 (2nd) - Healthy JJ and Clowney
2019: 64.4 (24th) - No Healthy JJ or Clowney on roster

But, but its coaching!!! As you can see, our defense largely went as the health of JJ and to a smaller extent Clowney went.
Wow, it's almost as if talent matters and you shouldn't trade it away!

Also, obrien's offense still sucks with Watson, tunsil, Hopkins, duke, Fuller, etc
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
Lol..you guys...So Granato didn't have a shred of anything from his "sources" about Olsen or the Crennel/Weaver thing coming down the pipe before they actually happened.....But now you guys just blindly believe anything he or any Houston sports media personality speculates about why these things happened after they're announced?

So question, when have any of these dudes EVER gotten it right when it comes to things that go on inside the Texans FO? Doesn't matter who it is... McClain, Granato, Zeirlein..Lopez. These guys are constantly firing off things in the dark from thier "sources" only to be proven wrong and/or they're late as hell. The whole Crennel thing today, I saw that on NFL.com damn near an hour before Pendergast & Payne "broke" it on the radio...& they're supposed to be the official radio station of the houston texans. I mean they are literally worthless as far as beat guys for things going on inside the FO.
First of all, just bringing information I hear like we all do. What you do with it from that point is on you.

We’re all aware of “sources” and taking it with a grain of salt. So no need for the ridicule. I know that’s pretty much what this board has become now, but still. Some people still actually knock thoughts around without it.

Secondly, FWIW, Granato, who I don’t particularly care much for BTW, has been getting it right here lately. He had the Weaver promotion yesterday before anyone else. Not saying that when he speaks count it as gospel. Again, it’s on you to take that information and do with it what you will.

Whether it’s true or not, it’s certainly plausible. If true then OB is a power hungry dictator who wants no differing POV in his ranks. No checks and balances. And watching how things have developed from a fans perspective for the last 6 years, it’d be easy for me to put money on that.

If not true, then it’s just OB telling us how everything is so aligned, then getting rid of everybody.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
First of all, just bringing information I hear like we all do. What you do with it from that point is on you.

We’re all aware of “sources” and taking it with a grain of salt. So no need for the ridicule. I know that’s pretty much what this board has become now, but still. Some people still actually knock thoughts around without it.

Secondly, FWIW, Granato, who I don’t particularly care much for BTW, has been getting it right here lately. He had the Weaver promotion yesterday before anyone else. Not saying that when he speaks count it as gospel. Again, it’s on you to take that information and do with it what you will.

Whether it’s true or not, it’s certainly plausible. If true then OB is a power hungry dictator who wants no differing POV in his ranks. No checks and balances. And watching how things have developed from a fans perspective for the last 6 years, it’d be easy for me to put money on that.

If not true, then it’s just OB telling us how everything is so aligned, then getting rid of everybody.
Fair enough.

But lots of things are "plausible" by definition & there's no skill in throwing **** on the wall & seeing what sticks..which is what those guys tend to do. But even if it were 100% true, it still doesn't at all mean what you're asserting. Everyone's under the impression these moves are happening at the behest of BoB & his supposed "power hungry" ego. They in fact could be happening at the behest of Cal.

If you want to be real, it makes more sense that Cal is the one pulling all these strings.....but it just makes for "good radio" to go with the angle about BoB b/c that's where the fans are at with it.
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
First of all, just bringing information I hear like we all do. What you do with it from that point is on you.

We’re all aware of “sources” and taking it with a grain of salt. So no need for the ridicule. I know that’s pretty much what this board has become now, but still. Some people still actually knock thoughts around without it.

Secondly, FWIW, Granato, who I don’t particularly care much for BTW, has been getting it right here lately. He had the Weaver promotion yesterday before anyone else. Not saying that when he speaks count it as gospel. Again, it’s on you to take that information and do with it what you will.

Whether it’s true or not, it’s certainly plausible. If true then OB is a power hungry dictator who wants no differing POV in his ranks. No checks and balances. And watching how things have developed from a fans perspective for the last 6 years, it’d be easy for me to put money on that.

If not true, then it’s just OB telling us how everything is so aligned, then getting rid of everybody.
Granato broke the JD Clowney trade weeks before it went down. Remember that some people just go after the low hanging fruit. Where there is smoke .. there is fire.

This team and management personnel are a laughingstock nationally and they try to insulate that idea by surrounding OBrien with people who will not rock the boat similar to what Prez Cheeto has done in Washington. If anybody says anything mean and negative then they are fired and nothing is wrong right?
 

TripleTap

Dead Wood
Blame OB for a weak system not suited to Watson, blame OB for not giving up the playing calling, blame OB for bad clock and flag management and damn sure blame him for Devlin still being here. All of these things are legitimate complaints and perhaps should be enough to justify firing him, but to blame him for the Texans being dysfunctional is asinine.
O'Brien is the prime living example of the dysfunction.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
No it isn't, nobody here has any idea why these people were fired. There has never been an official, or really even unofficial, reason Gaine was fired and there has been no reason that Olsen was fired. OB has just been the last one standing and has been put in those positions so people are letting their personal bias decide the reasons. Let me ask you has there been anything about OB getting a raise or any extra compensation? If not why would he want the extra work? Everyone was saying that Gaine was just a yes man, until he was fired then the narrative changed, so if was a yes man why bother to have him fired? OB doesn't need someone to blame because if he got EXTENDTED after going 4-12 then he sure wasn't getting fired after last season's record and damn sure not after this season.
It is a theory. You are correct that none of us know with certainty what exactly is behind these personnel changes. However, the theory is not illogical.
 

dalemurphy

Hall of Fame
I'm glad things are changing down on Kirby after 17 yrs.

Easterby is the guy with the juice to make these changes like Olsen. Not BOB
I hope so. It will be a simple test to see if you are correct... Anyone with half of a brain and with "the juice" to do it, would clearly take some gameday coaching responsibilities off of Bob's plate- either hiring a legitimate OC or bringing in an Asst. Head Coach or an assistant coach with experience who can aid Bob in things like clock management, etc... Let's see what happens.
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
But lots of things are "plausible" by definition & there's no skill in throwing **** on the wall & seeing what sticks.
Absolutely. We've got a guy here who's a master of that.

This organization is dysfunctional at best. We're told ad nauseam by the head coach how aligned the organization is, then the GM is gone after 1 year on the job. Why? Who knows? And now Olsen.

I don't know Olsen from a hole in the ground, but all I've heard since he's been released is that he's one of the best cap guys in the business. Why do you get rid of someone who is really good at what he does? Could be personal reasons, could be a million other things, from OB clearing out all the Rick Smith guys, to what Granato said, to who knows what, but all we fans are left with is speculation.

We're all looking for information. And this is where we bring it to discuss. And there is a difference between throwing shit against the wall and simply reporting something you've heard or read. I mean, Twitter feeds are posted here all the time.


But even if it were 100% true, it still doesn't at all mean what you're asserting. Everyone's under the impression these moves are happening at the behest of BoB & his supposed "power hungry" ego. They in fact could be happening at the behest of Cal.

If you want to be real, it makes more sense that Cal is the one pulling all these strings.....but it just makes for "good radio" to go with the angle about BoB b/c that's where the fans are at with it.
Whose to say what's real with this organization? They say one thing and do another. We're all aligned...uh, no we're not. We'll fire the GM then make 14 trades and give away players and picks all at the end of camp where it's like starting camp all over.

We'll see what happens when/if they hire someone to replace Olsen because that has to happen, right? OB can't possibly do cap stuff too. On top of everything else on his plate. I hope the Olsen firing was to bring in Caserio, or somebody else, but I don't trust anything they do down there on Kirby. I just don't. So we'll see.

A full season after the fact? That's not OB's style
He waited the whole off-season to get rid of Clowney. And then did it for nothing. Hell, maybe Olsen was against that too. But he does have a million other things to do. Maybe he's just now getting around to it.
 

JB

Old Curmudgeon
Contributor's Club
He waited the whole off-season to get rid of Clowney. And then did it for nothing. Hell, maybe Olsen was against that too. But he does have a million other things to do. Maybe he's just now getting around to it.
Not the same, you know it and it demeans you to suggest it is
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
Not the same, you know it and it demeans you to suggest it is
You just here to nit pick with everybody?

You suggested it's not his style to wait. I pointed out where he did wait. Not my fault the goal posts were moved.

But it also took him over a year to get rid of Gaine, so there's that. But maybe that's not the same either. I guess somebody's going to have to point out the ground rules.
 

texanhead08

All Pro
So assuming Caserio does come when his contract expires does he have final say on personnel or does he answer to O’Brien ?
 

Mangler

Veteran
So assuming Caserio does come when his contract expires does he have final say on personnel or does he answer to O’Brien ?
Wouldn’t it be awesome if Cal and Reverend Easterby hire Caserio, and he end up being a no bullsh1t type GM and shows O’Brien the door after his inevitable brain farts cost us a game or two? I pray the guy has a backbone and the BS ends upon his arrival!
 
You just here to nit pick with everybody?

You suggested it's not his style to wait. I pointed out where he did wait. Not my fault the goal posts were moved.

But it also took him over a year to get rid of Gaine, so there's that. But maybe that's not the same either. I guess somebody's going to have to point out the ground rules.
At this point you are just making things up to fit your narrative. This whole “OB got rid of Gaine” thing not only has no evidence but it doesn’t even make logical sense.

Even the BS about Clowney doesn’t fit at all with what is actually known as fact. Clowney wanted paid like a top 5 DE when he wasn’t worth close to that. By the way, those “nothing” players we got for Clowney had just as much impact on our season as Clowney did for Seattle. Well minus the dirty hit that made him public enemy number 1 in Philly.
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
At this point you are just making things up to fit your narrative. This whole “OB got rid of Gaine” thing not only has no evidence but it doesn’t even make logical sense.

Even the BS about Clowney doesn’t fit at all with what is actually known as fact. Clowney wanted paid like a top 5 DE when he wasn’t worth close to that. By the way, those “nothing” players we got for Clowney had just as much impact on our season as Clowney did for Seattle. Well minus the dirty hit that made him public enemy number 1 in Philly.


******* hilarious!! If you truly think that the guys we got for Clowney had just as much impact, well, who's making things up now?
 
******* hilarious!! If you truly think that the guys we got for Clowney had just as much impact, well, who's making things up now?
And what impact did Clowney have? 3 sacks and 1 interception, not even as good as he had playing for us. Yeah that’s a guy I’m going to pay top dollar to. Meanwhile Martin has 3.5 sacks. Mingo didn’t have a good year but then he only played in 5 games. So yeah Clowney showed what he has been showing since he was drafted, a lazy player getting by solely on his natural ability who isn’t worth near the money he thinks he is.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
Honestly, we've been saying this since Capers/Casserly
Not me.
I think Kubiak, Rick Smith, and Wade were more or less on the same page.
Those guys always have good history together.

If there was any resistance at first on Kubiak's part about the Wade's hiring, I would say it's because Kubiak is known to be loyal to his current staff.

When I studied game films of the Broncos (among others) to learn about Wade's 3-4 man-matching defense, I noticed them to be quite in tune on the side line.
And Kubiak had a good history with Bum, too.
And there's also this, where Wade talked about his positive relationship with Kubiak and Elway.
He knew that when Kubiak is no longer the Broncos' HC, his tenure as DC would also be gone.


These are good ole Texans boys; they're never pretentious as I know it.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
And what impact did Clowney have? 3 sacks and 1 interception, not even as good as he had playing for us. Yeah that’s a guy I’m going to pay top dollar to. Meanwhile Martin has 3.5 sacks. Mingo didn’t have a good year but then he only played in 5 games. So yeah Clowney showed what he has been showing since he was drafted, a lazy player getting by solely on his natural ability who isn’t worth near the money he thinks he is.

Clowney always thrived in RAC system. What RAC had doing is totally different than what Seattle had him doing.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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No..........it means in almost 915 snaps, he was responsible for only 18 pressures, 15 hurries and 3 sacks from Watson's blindside.......a sign that he will be a bulwark for Watson and the Texans for years to come.
These facts seem to be screwing up a good narrative around these parts.
 

RGV82

Random guy
Clowney always thrived in RAC system. What RAC had doing is totally different than what Seattle had him doing.
His production in Seattle is pretty much on par with what he did here. Still, I agree with maverick that he is lazy and relies solely on his natural ability. He had overblown hype when he was drafted, and his injuries in his first 2 seasons set him back even further, which I think made him lazier.
 

steelbtexan

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Says the man whose credibility is in question
Who is this man that lacks credibility?

Could it be the man that's trying to defend Cowney and his 3 sacks.

I can see WHY you need to make excuses for Clowney because the production isn't there and if you're honest *Which you wont be) ask yourself how much has Clowney really improved since his rookie yr and why he hasn't.
 
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Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
His production in Seattle is pretty much on par with what he did here. Still, I agree with maverick that he is lazy and relies solely on his natural ability. He had overblown hype when he was drafted, and his injuries in his first 2 seasons set him back even further, which I think made him lazier.
You’re both missing the point. And people always talking about how lazy someone is. That man worked his butt off to get back on the field and hasn’t sustained another major injury.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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You’re both missing the point. And people always talking about how lazy someone is. That man worked his butt off to get back on the field and hasn’t sustained another major injury.
I never said a thing about his work ethic, he worked very hard to make it back from a devastating knee injury. I'm asking why the production isn't there and why isn't it. Did he learn any new pass rush techniques sine he's been in the NFL or is this merely a talent issue?

BTW, I was a big Clowney guy from the draft onward and didn't want to see him traded last offseason. But these questions are valid. It will be interesting to see what he gets paid this offseason. I bet it wont be the Mack $$$$ that he wanted from the Texans.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
I never said a thing about his work ethic, he worked very hard to make it back from a devastating knee injury. I'm asking why the production isn't there and why isn't it. Did he learn any new pass rush techniques sine he's been in the NFL or is this merely a talent issue?

BTW, I was a big Clowney guy from the draft onward and didn't want to see him traded last offseason. But these questions are valid. It will be interesting to see what he gets paid this offseason. I bet it wont be the Mack $$$$ that he wanted from the Texans.
BTW I was not talking to you. That was directed at Maverick and RGV82. That was not a question on their behalf. They’re saying the man is lazy which is completely false. He’s a power pass rusher who is very stout against the run.
 

Uncle Rico

Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I would like proof of this. Could just be lucky.
if you do research on the microfracture procedure you would find that if players DONT push and apply themselves that the likelihood of reinjury or never returning to a similar player are quite high. You could use the search to find some of the old posts and discussions.

here are a few hits in respect to rehab and what JD has been able to do. He is the most feared edge run defender in football. He controls half a field by himself and routinely wrecks the passing game with disruption and pressure, but he "sucks" because he doesnt have sexy sack numbers, oh yeah and the resident doctors and nurses here say his knee has about 3 more weeks to go before it literally blows up.

Luck had nothing to do with JD returning to form, especially when the microfracture he received isnt even the latest and greatest procedure for that type of injury any more.

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you may be holding onto the college reputation that Spurrier thrust upon him and an agent fueled by adding "spoiled" to the mix.

JD never talked down about this team even when they broke their word and proceeded to try and trade him to the highest bidder. Im glad that JD didnt have to languish in Miami, he deserved better and he went to a better team. Win/win for everyone - oops not quite the TExans because they quickly became the worst outside run defense in the entire world.
 
Go asked his former teammates and coaches.
Really because most rumors and reports from "sources" said that he actually wasn't really liked in the locker room and JJ in particular felt he was lazy and didn't like him.

But you know what, lets just stick to facts and here are the facts.


Noticed how his numbers were pretty much the same every year, even his vaulted "Break out year" in 17 are barely any higher and that's with JJ out so Clowney was the main man on defense. That's a player that has either plateaued or is not trying to improve. I say its he's not trying because he is still using that same bull rush move without trying anything else. Either way though it shows he's not worth any where near the money he wanted.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
You spoke to them? How do you know what they would tell me?

I have a homie who is always chilling with quite of few Texans players. His sister dates one of the Texans player. I also have a home girl who has interviewed some of these Texans players. But to come back from that injury and play his butt off when Watt went down tells the true story. Not this bullcrap people on the internet tries to spew.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
Really because most rumors and reports from "sources" said that he actually wasn't really liked in the locker room and JJ in particular felt he was lazy and didn't like him.

But you know what, lets just stick to facts and here are the facts.


Noticed how his numbers were pretty much the same every year, even his vaulted "Break out year" in 17 are barely any higher and that's with JJ out so Clowney was the main man on defense. That's a player that has either plateaued or is not trying to improve. I say its he's not trying because he is still using that same bull rush move without trying anything else. Either way though it shows he's not worth any where near the money he wanted.

Rumors wow. Ok dude.
 

Mr teX

Hall of Fame
He's not lazy in the sense we like to think of it. I truly believe dude does works his butt off & he does play & practice hard when he's out there. His "lazy" is in how we percieve he should approach his ridiculous high potential as an elite athlete...which is grinding away doing extra this or that to reach your highest potential..but him being content where he is.....that doesn't make him lazy b/c even where he's at he's still pretty damn good. Some folks are just perfectly happy where they're at.
 
Rumors wow. Ok dude.
That's all you have to go on. At least I admitted it was just rumors as compared to saying something definitive or the "ask his coaches" something which you know none of us have anyway of doing. By the way you didn't address the facts I did post, why have his numbers never improved?
 
He's not lazy in the sense we like to think of it. I truly believe dude does works his butt off & he does play & practice hard when he's out there. His "lazy" is in how we percieve he should approach his ridiculous high potential as an elite athlete...which is grinding away doing extra this or that to reach your highest potential..but him being content where he is.....that doesn't make him lazy b/c even where he's at he's still pretty damn good. Some folks are just perfectly happy where they're at.
I see your point and that would be fine EXCEPT he wants paid like those guys that do put in the extra work. Also just trying to improve your technique and trying something other than your go to bull rush move that's not asking a guy to go above and beyond that just asking him to keep trying improve as the game changing. Just like we want Watson to keep learning and developing its not to much to want him to improve to and so far he hasn't shown that he's trying
 


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