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The refs screwed us in Indy!

I know people are pissed at Kubes and trust me I was every bit more pissed. I was screaming to run another play myself. However, after looking at it again, I can see how there could be a bit of confusion even for the guys in the box due to one thing that happened.

The guy that recovers the ball inbounds looks as if to say he recovered the ball to the refs. Then the ref asks for the ball almost to tell him it was out of bounds, so the Colt player flips the ball back to the ref. In all honesty, that dude could've ran the ball all the way back for a TD. The fact that he flips the ball back to the refs is probably what caused the guys upstairs to think nothing of it. If you recall, Kubiak said that someone told him they thought they were disputing the spot of the ball. The fact that Kubes or Shanny wasn't on that side to know if there was a fumble or whatever, and add to the fact that Kube made since in not wanting to give Manning 2:30 to score again after seeing what he was already doing, I can understand what was going on there.

I couldn't tell if the ball hit the Colt guy laying out of bounds myself. However, the rule is they can dispute if the ball went out of bounds or not because the ruling was that it was out of bounds. Moats does lose the ball before he is down, but if there was inconclusive evidence of the ball hitting a Colt player it's pretty understandable why they would go in the Colts favor.

I do have a problem with the clock not stopping and no time being added to the clock because there could've been a chance for an easier FG or possible score still. I also do have a problem with the phantom Connor Barwin offsides, and then hearing Winston say that Mathis was being advised to back up out of the neutral zone.
 
hobie said:
Please answer me this... WHY is this still talked about... It was SUNDAY people, ya know 4 days ago... it is what it is, it's in the past, let's not dwell on things that just cannot be changed..The game is 60 minutes, when it's all zeros, there is a winner and a loser..then go on with your life...A game, that is it, the Texans made many mistakes, many... the refs made a few bad calls, ya know, that is football and it happens to just about every team..it is what it is, and it's 4 days ago.. look to the future, the past is dead and gone..

Man, sorry about the rant, but really, still harping on 1 call that ya'll seem to think would have won the game for them.. there was a second half to go, and if they did score, who knows what the Colts would have done after that, as you don't know if they would have scored or not either, as you can't say that the way it went down would have been the way it went down if Houston scored..

60 minutes, there is a winner, and a loser.. and it is that simple..don't ever let it come down to 1 play in the first half to say they were screwed...
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Then why even discuss the game at all? After all, it's already been played. Why discuss any play from a past game? After all, never let a game come down to one play. Blah blah blah.

Unless someone on this board isn't telling us something, we're not the players. We're FANS. We don't practice during the week, we're not in the meetings to discuss the gameplan and we don't play in the games. So what else are we going to do right now?

Our substantially-improved team just lost a nailbiter in the stadium of our undefeated division rivals despite a terrible start to the game and some very questionable calls by the zebra's. Because this is our bye week and we're on MNF next week, we are facing two Sundays in a row without a game for our team. What the heck is wrong with discussing the last game when we stil have ELEVEN DAYS until the next one?
 
Hooston Texan said:
Then why even discuss the game at all? After all, it's already been played. Why discuss any play from a past game? After all, never let a game come down to one play. Blah blah blah.

Unless someone on this board isn't telling us something, we're not the players. We're FANS. We don't practice during the week, we're not in the meetings to discuss the gameplan and we don't play in the games. So what else are we going to do right now?

Our substantially-improved team just lost a nailbiter in the stadium of our undefeated division rivals despite a terrible start to the game and some very questionable calls by the zebra's. Because this is our bye week and we're on MNF next week, we are facing two Sundays in a row without a game for our team. What the heck is wrong with discussing the last game when we stil have ELEVEN DAYS until the next one?
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Well let me see here.... OK, the game was last week, a game...Now, since I try and look at things as such, it has no meaning to my life, doesn't pay my bills, nor do my work for me...so this game that was played 4 days ago is over, so why dwell on something that really doesn't matter. I mean the Texans did take the lead, not like they were just short.. no, they had the lead...So talking of that play like it was THE play that changed the game, it was not.
Yeah, it sucks that the Texans lost, but as I have said, it is a game, time to move on...Now post pictures of hot women with no top on, that has meaning around these parts !!
 
Here's what Coach Kubes thought about the officiating:

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TimeKiller said:
How 'bout his unnecessary roughness on a kickoff? That colt hit him after the whistle and Connor just rolled with the punches and put the boy on the ground. Only one to get flagged? The Texan.

Speaking of bad calls on kickoffs, how 'bout the holding on Jesse Nading? On the replay JJ runs to about the 20, gets about as close to a horse collar tackle as you can get with no call and not once is Nading seen on tv. So he's like...15, 20 yards upfield from the play? That's really, really tacky.
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It was more of a clothesline, but I get your point.
 
Porky said:
I'm not much on reading lips. Can anyone translate? I think I see BS in there but that's about it.
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He said " That's *******ing BS, JOE!

I remember it happening , but not exactly when... one of the phantom calls...lol
 
Wait a minute. Hold on, hold on, while I review the play. Uhhhh, can someone point me in the general direction of the booth. It used to be here. I know it's here somewhere.

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Air Canada said:
Despite some of our own mistakes, the Colts made mistakes too and we should've still won the game.

I know all the penalties, but that's not what I'm referring to. Everyone go look at that play with the fumble by Moats! Watch it in fast motion, slo-mo, whatever...

That clearly should be Houston's ball at the 2yd line. What pisses me off about this the most is that it was challenged and for something to be reversed there has to be indisputable evidence yet the refs still #@$%^& it up...:bat:

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Bethea is laying out of bounds and touches the ball! It is a loose ball. So if somebody is out of bounds and touching the ball, it is considered OUT OF BOUNDS. The play is over and it's Houston's ball!

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Question IF Bethea is out of bounds in this picture quich clearly showes he is and his arm is touching the ball, why isnt this ball dead
 
BIG TORO said:
Question IF Bethea is out of bounds in this picture quich clearly showes he is and his arm is touching the ball, why isnt this ball dead
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That's kind of the point of all the complaints. The on field call of no fumble should have been reversed, but then the call should have been fumble contacted by an out of bounds player without recovery by the opposing team therefore Houston ball at the point of the fumble.
 
After all that has been presented, and with it all available to the refs at the time of the "decision," it amazes me how the refs' position can be defended.

aj, in his piece in the Houston Examiner, takes you through a detailed step by step journey through what should have been the same process effected by the refs. If the Refs' official office does not acknowledge their screw up, the "conspiracy theory" in favor of the Colts no longer remains a theory. LINK
 
If the NFL doesn't watch it they could suffer the same fate as the NBA or be compared to the WWE.

I believe that it's impossible for the officials to be that bad at their jobs. Not only did the Texans get screwed I believe the game was rigged and if it wasn't the officials should be fired immediately for incompetence.

I believe the higher ups Goddell and Tags have been rigging games for years.

See The Pats-Indy Playoff game or the Pitt-Sea Super bowl for example.

Manning winning a SB and Tony Dungy being the 1st black coach to win a SB made for a great story line and benefited the the NFL greatly.
 
infantrycak said:
That's kind of the point of all the complaints. The on field call of no fumble should have been reversed, but then the call should have been fumble contacted by an out of bounds player without recovery by the opposing team therefore Houston ball at the point of the fumble.
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I would assume that none of the video replays available to the officials at the game showed the angle of the still pic. "Official Review" on NFLN only showed the one angle, and they were more focused on the touchback part of the call than the fumble itself. So I guess we'll never really know what video was available to them.

steelbtexan said:
If the NFL doesn't watch it they could suffer the same fate as the NBA or be compared to the WWE.

I believe that it's impossible for the officials to be that bad at their jobs. Not only did the Texans get screwed I believe the game was rigged and if it wasn't the officials should be fired immediately for incompetence.

I believe the higher ups Goddell and Tags have been rigging games for years.

See The Pats-Indy Playoff game or the Pitt-Sea Super bowl for example.

Manning winning a SB and Tony Dungy being the 1st black coach to win a SB made for a great story line and benefited the the NFL greatly.
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The day that we learn games are 'rigged' or otherwise purposefully influenced by officials is the day that I quit watching pro football. I love the game itself and the athletic display that is football, but when the business end shows itself to be influential on the actual outcome of the game is when I do consider it no better than WWE.

The one play did not cost us the game, though. We took the lead in the second half and had a chance to tie the game with a FG. We shot ourselves in the foot and I can't blame officials for our inability to seal the deal with a win.
 
Double Barrel said:
I would assume that none of the video replays available to the officials at the game showed the angle of the still pic. "Official Review" on NFLN only showed the one angle, and they were more focused on the touchback part of the call than the fumble itself. So I guess we'll never really know what video was available to them.
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My personal theory is they looked to see if it was a fumble, saw that it was, knew a Colt player had ended up with the ball in his hands and went straight to where should we spot the ball. I think it was cranial flatulence and they skipped a step (on checking whether it was out of bounds before recovery) with no ill intent.

Now of the defensive offsides thing, that comes down to one ref and ...

On that note, something I forgot to say when I reviewed the possessions in the game - I ignored the what if scenario from the opposite perspective. Fine call them on us, but what happens if the ref doesn't help Mathis and Freeney out and he throws 3-4 flags on them? Can't tell because non-calls don't appear on the play by play. Would we have gotten 1 or 2 drive sustaining 1st downs like they did? - who knows. Call it one way or the other, but it has to be consistent.
 
Double Barrel said:
I would assume that none of the video replays available to the officials at the game showed the angle of the still pic. "Official Review" on NFLN only showed the one angle, and they were more focused on the touchback part of the call than the fumble itself. So I guess we'll never really know what video was available to them.



The day that we learn games are 'rigged' or otherwise purposefully influenced by officials is the day that I quit watching pro football. I love the game itself and the athletic display that is football, but when the business end shows itself to be influential on the actual outcome of the game is when I do consider it no better than WWE.

The one play did not cost us the game, though. We took the lead in the second half and had a chance to tie the game with a FG. We shot ourselves in the foot and I can't blame officials for our inability to seal the deal with a win.
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Wait, but let me ask you this....Do you watch basketball? I'm a big-time football fan, but a die hard basketball fan. One thing I do know is that the NBA has the worst refs in pro sports and it's been clear they have purposefully influenced games or the outcome. They can be horrible on a nightly basis and the integrity of the game has been lost, but I still watch it cuz I love the game. It just is annoying to see it all the time.:wild:
 
infantrycak said:
My personal theory is they looked to see if it was a fumble, saw that it was, knew a Colt player had ended up with the ball in his hands and went straight to where should we spot the ball. I think it was cranial flatulence and they skipped a step (on checking whether it was out of bounds before recovery) with no ill intent.

Now of the defensive offsides thing, that comes down to one ref and ...

On that note, something I forgot to say when I reviewed the possessions in the game - I ignored the what if scenario from the opposite perspective. Fine call them on us, but what happens if the ref doesn't help Mathis and Freeney out and he throws 3-4 flags on them? Can't tell because non-calls don't appear on the play by play. Would we have gotten 1 or 2 drive sustaining 1st downs like they did? - who knows. Call it one way or the other, but it has to be consistent.
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No doubt, man. That it came from a source like Winston gives it credibility, and really shakes my confidence that the NFL is somewhat 'neutral' about the outcomes of games.

Air Canada said:
Wait, but let me ask you this....Do you watch basketball? I'm a big-time football fan, but a die hard basketball fan. One thing I do know is that the NBA has the worst refs in pro sports and it's been clear they have purposefully influenced games or the outcome. They can be horrible on a nightly basis and the integrity of the game has been lost, but I still watch it cuz I love the game. It just is annoying to see it all the time.:wild:
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Nope, don't watch NBA, and it is precisely because of the disgust of seeing certain players get away with murder while others get constant attention. I was never a big b-ball fan, but got into it with the Rockets for awhile and then promptly stopped caring when I realized the blatant influence that refs were having on the outcomes of games.

If I started believing that the NFL was holding certain teams down *cough*Texans*cough*, I just don't see how that kind of fanaticism that I've had for the NFL can be justified in my mind. I might as well choose a pro wrestler to root for if the outcomes are scripted. I would not be able to get past it, to be quite honest with you.
 
Excuse my cynicism. But, for the referees to be so obviously favoring one team over the other, I've almost come to the conclusion that it can only be happening at the direction of the league. As they are the most popular sport on television, I am sure they are unconcerned that they are ruining the game for the sake of bigger and bigger bucks. Welcome to the WWFL.

All you have to do is look back over the years and count up how many games, especially important games, have been decided by lopsided officiating or overtly blown crucial calls.

Players nor coaches are allowed by the league to speak out publicly. After the game behind closed doors type of petitioning by coaches to the league are too benign a forum for the inexcusable irreversible sometime catastrophic damage that it has commonly caused. I'd love to see a system that would allow a panel of coaches and referees open forum to weekly confront each other on TV once a week for any gross grievances occuring on the field the week before. Let the refs bleed a little for their mistakes........like the players bleed each week for their efforts.

There, I've had my rant.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Excuse my cynicism. But, for the referees to be so obviously favoring one team over the other, I've almost come to the conclusion that it can only be happening at the direction of the league. As they are the most popular sport on television, I am sure they are unconcerned that they are ruining the game for the sake of bigger and bigger bucks. Welcome to the WWFL.

All you have to do is look back over the years and count up how many games, especially important games, have been decided by lopsided officiating or overtly blown crucial calls.

Players nor coaches are allowed by the league to speak out publicly. After the game behind closed doors type of petitioning by coaches to the league are too benign a forum for the inexcusable irreversible sometime catastrophic damage that it has commonly caused. I'd love to see a system that would allow a panel of coaches and referees open forum to weekly confront each other on TV once a week for any gross grievances occuring on the field the week before. Let the refs bleed a little for their mistakes........like the players bleed each week for their efforts.

There, I've had my rant.
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The bottom line is that the refs are going to make bad calls over the course of a game but I am not sure they have something going on. Maybe they do maybe they don't only time will tell. That should not stop a very talented team from winning football games as that is beyond our control if that type of thing is REALLY GOING ON. There isn't any doubt in my mind that every player in that lockeroom would say the samething I promise you. It's all up to them to overcome the calls good and bad and make the big plays they have to in order to win more football games because the fact is ain't nothing going to change anytime soon but that's just my honest opinion.
 
Wilson gets fined for his hit on Dallas Clark. :rake:

Texans free safety Eugene Wilson has been fined $5,000 by the NFL for a hit he put on Colts tight end Dallas Clark during the 20-17 loss to Indianapolis.

In the second quarter, the Colts were leading 13-0 when Wilson drilled Clark over the middle. He was penalized 15 yards for unnecessary roughness.
The league fined Wilson for hitting a defenseless receiver.
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There have been some badly called games over the years but I just don't think that's going to change untill it is looked into.
 
False Start said:
Wilson gets fined for his hit on Dallas Clark. :rake:



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Well, they had time to review that and make that fine.

I wonder if they will issue a statement on the mistake they made about the call and make it known like they did last season with the Denver and Chargers game....Kubiak did send it into to the league office...

Yeah, I bet that's not happening.:rake:
 
In a game decided by 3 points it is safe to say that a call or two could have affected the final score.

I hate it when people say "well it shouldn't have come down to a kick" or "we should have had a bigger lead" etc. We played the Colts, not the Rams, we all knew it would be close and for the record I think we got royally F'd out of a win.

Cry and whine about Schaub / Moats all you want but the fact remains that the officiating in this game was crap.
 
JDizzle said:
In a game decided by 3 points it is safe to say that a call or two could have affected the final score.

I hate it when people say "well it shouldn't have come down to a kick" or "we should have had a bigger lead" etc. We played the Colts, not the Rams, we all knew it would be close and for the record I think we got royally F'd out of a win.

Cry and whine about Schaub / Moats all you want but the fact remains that the officiating in this game was crap.
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I'll put it this way we were F'd out of a win with the refs bad calls and mistakes on our part the boat floats both ways IMO.
 
gary said:
I'll put it this way we were F'd out of a win with the refs bad calls and mistakes on our part the boat floats both ways IMO.
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its kinda like w/ florida and bama, they dont want anyone to win that division but the colts. cept w/ uf and bama, they just want them to play each other in the ccg.
 
The very appearance of impropriety of the refs is unacceptable when implied in jest by a player, but wholey acceptable when actually demonstrated by an official. What hypocrits.


League fines Cincinnati receiver Chad Ochocinco $20,000 for $1 'bribe'
Chad Ochocinco's pretend $1 bribe is going to cost him a lot more.

CINCINNATI - Chad Ochocinco's pretend $1 bribe is going to cost him a lot more.

The Cincinnati wide receiver was fined $20,000 and reprimanded by the league for taking a dollar bill onto the field during an officials' review of one of his catches Sunday.

Ochocinco held the dollar in his right hand at his side but didn't give it to the official, who motioned for him to stay away.

Ochocinco said he was merely having fun, but the league didn't like his stunt.

Ray Anderson, the league's executive vice president of football operations, sent Ochocinco a letter that said: "The very appearance of impropriety is not acceptable. Your conduct was unprofessional and unbecoming an NFL player."

The letter cited league rules that prohibit abusive, threatening or insulting language or gestures toward officials. The letter also noted players are prohibited from taking items onto the field that are not part of their uniform.

During the third quarter of the Bengals' 17-7 victory over Baltimore, officials initially ruled Ochocinco got both feet down at the sideline for a 15-yard catch. The Ravens challenged, and the call was overturned when replays showed Ochocinco's toe landed on the sideline.

While the play was under review, Ochocinco walked toward officials with the dollar bill.
 
Air Canada said:
Wait, but let me ask you this....Do you watch basketball?
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Not directed to me, but my answer is no. And it is because I played and the game doesn't resemble anything fair or the rules with the way it is officiated nowadays.

CloakNNNdagger said:
Excuse my cynicism. But, for the referees to be so obviously favoring one team over the other, I've almost come to the conclusion that it can only be happening at the direction of the league. As they are the most popular sport on television, I am sure they are unconcerned that they are ruining the game for the sake of bigger and bigger bucks. Welcome to the WWFL.
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I've been on your rant for a couple decades. When I was growing up in Dallas as a Cowboy fan I noticed how they got more calls their way. Sure there were bad calls against them (like the one that cost them Super Bowl V) but for the most part things went their way. Want to see star status? - look at who gets called for offensive or defensive pass interference. Aaron Glenn, Champ Bailey, AJ routinely push (or pushed in Glenn's case) down field and don't get called for it. Dunta or Reeves don't get the same leeway.

As a side note - Deion was the best ever because he didn't need to play handsies down the field. His closing speed was sick.
 
Just before the end of the 1st quarter of Cowboys/Packers, the Cowboys smash Aaron Rodgers and cause a fumble. Dallas takes possession near the Packers' end zone. What a fantastic play!

Until the same freaking head ref from the Texans/Colts game (I think it was him) steps onto the field to announce that #21 of the Cowboys was guilty of hitting the Packers WR on the face mask.

Watching the replay, it was a VERY slight touch, not even knocking the receiver off the route. Nor did it even cause the receiver's head to move up or down, or side to side, etc. Nor was it anywhere in the vicinity of where Rodgers was looking to throw the ball. It was bogus.

The Packers end up punting the ball instead of the Cowboys knocking on the door of a TD or FG. Fortunately, for the Cowboys, the punt is returned to about the 50. But still, the 50 is different than the 10 or 15 of your opponent.

Then the Cowboys have to punt.

The great play on Rodgers, which resulted in a fumble and turnover, is nullified by a ref.
 
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Jeff Triplett is the worst ref ever, he and his crew and made a joke out of the texans/colts game and is now doing the same with packers/cowboys game, going under the hood twice and should have never gone over there. he blew 75% of the calls vs texans when will the NFL wake up.
 
I still do and probably always will think we got screwed out of the win. The refs did practically everything they could to make us lose the game without actually giving the Colts points. 13 penalties vs. 4. You throw many more flags than that and people start asking questions. If the Colts were winning the game handily I think we would have seen an evenly called game, but the refs had to play every single card in their hand to get the Colts to win.

13 penalties vs. 4 penalties does not happen by accident.
 
Anyone watch the colts pats game last night?

Can someone please explain that when moats fumbled we ran the clock to the 2 minute warning that gave the colts the chance to challenge...When Last night the Pats couldn't Challenge?


Last night on the 4th and 2 that the pats lost and they didn't give him the forward progress. the refs said and I quote" Can't challenge because it's the two minute warning"

Is it just me or do the Colts get the unfair advantage to win because It's a better Media Story......

How the hell does it not work both ways....oh wait it's the Colts and Pretty Payton can't lose.

Really pissed off about that, anyone else? Or maybe someone can clarify why the colts can challenge at the 2 minute warning but the Pats can't? Not a big pats fan, more the principle of the matter is why i'm writing this..

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Thanks,
 
Athlon said:
Anyone watch the colts pats game last night?

Can someone please explain that when moats fumbled we ran the clock to the 2 minute warning that gave the colts the chance to challenge...When Last night the Pats couldn't Challenge?


Last night on the 4th and 2 that the pats lost and they didn't give him the forward progress. the refs said and I quote" Can't challenge because it's the two minute warning"

Is it just me or do the Colts get the unfair advantage to win because It's a better Media Story......

How the hell does it not work both ways....oh wait it's the Colts and Pretty Payton can't lose.

Really pissed off about that, anyone else? Or maybe someone can clarify why the colts can challenge at the 2 minute warning but the Pats can't? Not a big pats fan, more the principle of the matter is why i'm writing this..

Colts win again by the Refs Two weeks in a row, Next week going to be the same?


Thanks,
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the Patriots had no timeouts and couldn't challenge.
 
Athlon said:
Anyone watch the colts pats game last night?

Can someone please explain that when moats fumbled we ran the clock to the 2 minute warning that gave the colts the chance to challenge...When Last night the Pats couldn't Challenge?


Last night on the 4th and 2 that the pats lost and they didn't give him the forward progress. the refs said and I quote" Can't challenge because it's the two minute warning"

Is it just me or do the Colts get the unfair advantage to win because It's a better Media Story......

How the hell does it not work both ways....oh wait it's the Colts and Pretty Payton can't lose.

Really pissed off about that, anyone else? Or maybe someone can clarify why the colts can challenge at the 2 minute warning but the Pats can't? Not a big pats fan, more the principle of the matter is why i'm writing this..

Colts win again by the Refs Two weeks in a row, Next week going to be the same?


Thanks,
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I thought the PI call against the Patriots was very weak at the end. The defender was clearly going for the ball, so incidental contact is allowed. But I guess not if it's Manning throwing the ball at the end of a game that he needs to score twice.

And that spot on that 4th down play was horrendous. Manning and the Colts are league and media darlings, especially with an undefeated record. Those calls were way too convenient.
 
Double Barrel said:
I thought the PI call against the Patriots was very weak at the end. The defender was clearly going for the ball, so incidental contact is allowed. But I guess not if it's Manning throwing the ball at the end of a game that he needs to score twice.

And that spot on that 4th down play was horrendous. Manning and the Colts are league and media darlings, especially with an undefeated record. Those calls were way too convenient.
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Really?

The pass interference....it was close but the WR did come back and was run into. Call was correct but a little close and I wouldn't have called it there.

The mark was right on the 4th down. He bobbled the ball and when he got possession he was already going backwards. I had no problem with that spot at all. Had he caught it clean he was definitely across.
 
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i thought the Patriots were the media's darlings? or do people just say that whenever it's convenient?

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I think they both are media darlings. Manning's mug is selling everything from flat screens to satellite tv to credit cards to NFL merch cell phones.

Now, I'm not saying that there is a CON$piracy, but the horrendous calls during the Texans/Colts game the week before have me looking a bit closer...and wondering. :tinfoil:

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Really?

The pass interference....it was close but the WR did come back and was run into. Call was correct but a little close and I wouldn't have called it there.

The mark was right on the 4th down. He bobbled the ball and when he got possession he was already going backwards. I had no problem with that spot at all.
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I'd have to see it again, but I thought the defender was clearly tracking the ball and making a play for it. I've seen that same type of defensive play many times before that never got the PI call. It was just 'convenient' that it was on a 3rd down to keep the Colts alive when they needed two scores.

The 4th down play could have went either way, so I can't really argue with you there. I saw a slight bobble right when he caught it but he quickly had control. He did not bobble it for two yards, which is indicative of where they spotted the ball. But watching it on youtube, I think his momentum coming back to the ball had something to do with the spot. It was a stupid playcall to begin with, so I can't really blame the refs there. Still a very generous spot, though.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'd have to see it again, but I thought the defender was clearly tracking the ball and making a play for it. I've seen that same type of defensive play many times before that never got the PI call. It was just 'convenient' that it was on a 3rd down to keep the Colts alive when they needed two scores.

The 4th down play could have went either way, so I can't really argue with you there. I saw a slight bobble right when he caught it but he quickly had control. He did not bobble it for two yards, which is indicative of where they spotted the ball. But watching it on youtube, I think his momentum coming back to the ball had something to do with the spot. It was a stupid playcall to begin with, so I can't really blame the refs there. Still a very generous spot, though.
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Agree on both descriptions. The PI, as I said, didn't need to be called, but I could see it by rule just because I hear announcers every week talking about how WRs need to stop and come back to the ball to draw more of those. I just think the bobble is what cost them. It could have been a little close but it is hard to say.

As for the call, completely agree. Dumb play call and I think Brady, as machine like as he can be, was a little rattled by the previous blitz and threw way too early. Welker looked like he had separation from his guy too.
 
The PI was a horrible call....The defender was coming to make a play on the ball and it was incidental contact by the receiver....NOT PI. Just look at the replay... I remember Trent Dilfer was baffled by it and said he didn't understand the call.

The 4th and 2 thing? That play call was first of all idiotic, but for the refs it was the right call cuz I remember the same thing happening to us in the Bengals game this season. KW caught a ball across the marker, but he bobbled it and they said he didn't have possession until after he was pushed back behind the 1st down marker.
 
Double Barrel said:
us. Manning and the Colts are league and media darlings, especially with an undefeated record. Those calls were way too convenient.
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so you think there is some sort of conspiracy in the NFL for a team in Indy? ~ lol ~ You ever been to Indianapolis?
 
Vinny said:
so you think there is some sort of conspiracy in the NFL for a team in Indy? ~ lol ~ You ever been to Indianapolis?
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Don't knock 'em too hard...they are 10th in merchandise sales. (as of 1/8/09)

SportsBusiness Daily reports this morning that the Dallas Cowboys remained atop the league in terms of team merchandise sold.

The Cowboys were followed by the New York Giants, Pittsburgh Steelers, New York Jets, Chicago Bears, New England Patriots, Washington Redskins, Philadelphia Eagles, the Packers and the Indianapolis Colts.
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Link

The Colts are/were very high in the coveted 18-24 yr. old group as well...at least as of Sep. 2008. I'm guessing those numbers didn't drop w/ Peyton going 8-0 to start this year either.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/article/123748
 
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BIG TORO said:
Question IF Bethea is out of bounds in this picture quich clearly showes he is and his arm is touching the ball, why isnt this ball dead
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I know this is old news and all, :deadhorse but I don't see this picture clearly showing Bethea out of bounds. Impossible to tell from the angle. When watching it on the tube, it looked like a fumble to me. Schaub steps up and snaps the ball instead of lettin it run down to the two-minute warning, this is a non issue, at least for the Texans. Like someone said there are questionable calls every game, I don't buy into officials favoring a specific team. It's on to the Titans for a huge Monday Nite game. :popcorn:
 
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