Showtime100
Got JJ?
Thanks HW, I didn't think it was that difficult to understand but oh well.
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The refs screwed us in Indy!
- Thread starter Air Canada
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Thanks HW, I didn't think it was that difficult to understand but oh well.
Calls and non-calls are part of the game, yes. But a phantom offsides call on a flag thrown 3 seconds after a winning-drive-killing incomplete pass DOES change the game. As does a non-call horse-collar tackle on a 3rd-and 18. As does a non-call slap to the facemask on an INT as the Texans are driving down the field. A non-call on the delay of game on the Colts for holding Jacoby Jones down when he's trying to get back to the LOS to throw the spike would have made a 5-yard difference in the field goal try. You can't tell me those non-calls wouldn't have made a difference.
Sorry, but a 13-4 Texans-Colts penalty ratio is too much to ignore. And hearing Winston tell us how the refs were telling Mathis "back up, 98, back up" yet throw the flags on US? That's just flat out wrong. Yes we had our chances, and we blew some. But we made up for those, and the bogus officiating just made it too difficult to overcome.
Air Canada
Waterboy
This is true...it's a fact they were not calling the same things on the Colts that they were calling on us...including the phantom penalty...
The challenge for the Moats fumble still will piss me off since THEY GOT IT WRONG and changed the outcome of a review! I just wish the media would notice that about the play, but they won't and no one will except us fans who actually analyze the game. It's freaking obvious...
GP
Go Texans!
You're right about the majority of games that are lost.
But there are times, such as this game, where the calls definitely influenced the outcome.
This game was almost a mirror of the Cards game: We couldn't do anything in the first half, the opposing offense was moving the ball at will in the first half against our defense. Then, in the 2nd half, things tightened up.
The difference between this game and the Cards game was that the Colts game had a fairly large amount of questionable calls that helped the home team. It was bad.
You watch as an observer, because your team is the Cowboys. I watch as a full-fledged fan of this team. I know when we "deserve" what we get, and I know when we don't stand a chance because of a third party influencing the game. That game was atrociously one-sided. There's at least 4 or 5 influential calls that the refs missed or enforced when they shouldn't have.
Schaub was hit in the head. That's a 15-yarder and NO interception. So stop saying that the calls don't matter. On top of all the other ones, THAT call matters the most.
You can't apply your "refs don't decide games" doctrine across the board. Most times, the calls come out even or are warranted and do not influence the game. I have no problem with the Cards game.
This game? I had grown accustomed to NOT celebrating a good play by our offense or defense until the next play was snapped. I was automatically waiting for the obligatory flag to be thrown at us. Throw in the crybaby Colst crowd whining an dpining for a flag every time their super-hero didn't complete a pass, and it was just a long, long day for a Texans fan.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
But I do know games that are badly officiated. The Cowboys are one of the most penalized teams in the league. They have been for 2 years. Alot of it is deserved because they make mental errors...jumping offsides, etc. But there were a few calls that were b.s. against them this Philly game...a non-call pass interference where Roy Williams had one arm locked in a hold by the DB in the end zone. In the end, in a sloppy, pretty boring game, they pulled it off. That hasn't happened in a bit.
As I said elsewhere I know some games are badly officiated and I think there Are some games over the years where it was REALLY bad where outcomes were slanted. But I just didn't see it enough here. Not because I don't pay attention. I watch all games closely. There is an interest. But because I think many penalties are ones that are borderline and the NFL isn't consistent enough with their refs to get it right across the board. In the first Titans game the Texans got plenty of calls their way. Just like it is cool to point out that I'm a casual fan here, it is right to point out that the refs aren't looked at so harshly or critically when it goes the other way.
My main problem is this is the 3rd tight game where the Texans lost where I've seen multiple ref threads. That is pretty coincidental in my book when it comes to looking for reasons as to "why" they lost. I'm not making light of it. I'm here because I like it. But I just think that a pattern of crying of "foul" over a season turns people into the fans they claim they dislike....just like your example of Colts fans and in basketball, Jazz fans. I think when the Texans get over the hump then they win these games. It is a process.
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Air Canada
Waterboy
Your wrong here my man...I don't see a lot of people pointing to the refs as the reason why we lost to the Jets, Cards, even Jags. Those were legitimate and we just lost those games and that's even the Jags one with the tough call at the end. This game was ridiculously one-sided in the officiating favoring the home team. You mentioned the Cowboys-Eagles game and I watched that game and yes they got away with a PI on Roy, but Philly also got bad calls just the same in that game. Things were not overwhelmingly in the Eagles favor as it clearly was in Indy with the Texans.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Not if you go back and look at the threads and saw some of the stuff that was being written.
Again, I'm fine with your opinion on it. I'm not a big fan of refs in general. But I just try and temper my disgust because with each call changed, etc comes different situations for each team so you still never know how a game plays out. You can't put it in a vacuum and say(using the fumble as an example)..."well we would have scored there and won because of what we did in the 2nd half." You don't know if you would have scored for one and secondly it then puts the Colts in a different position..maybe they play more hurry up...maybe they adjust differently and run less. That is why I hate the arguments because with each decision the game situations change.
BTW, here are some threads from weeks past since you seemed to have missed them
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65702&highlight=refs
http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65270&highlight=refs
Air Canada
Waterboy
Most people would disagree with those for the most part...The claims in both those threads were to the refs making a specific bad call at the end in the Jags or Cards game in regards to the PI or ball spot.... The Jags game had that questionable call just at the end. For anyone to blame the Zona loss on the refs is ridiculous as we lost it fair and square. We could have just tied the game in those end of game situations. I'm saying the refs screwed around this game cuz it was obvious.
The Colts game was different as a whole cuz it was officiated poorly and clearly lopsided for the home team with just obvious bad calls to point out all around unlike those games.
That's not much of a point as it still influences the game largely....
Yes, with each decision it changes, but with each mistake by a ref the game situations heavily change in favor of the team that benefits. Yes, we may not have scored at the 2yd line, but it's a lot more likely that we do if we have the ball instead of Indy being given the ball there don't you think?
TimeKiller
Guest
How 'bout his unnecessary roughness on a kickoff? That colt hit him after the whistle and Connor just rolled with the punches and put the boy on the ground. Only one to get flagged? The Texan.
Speaking of bad calls on kickoffs, how 'bout the holding on Jesse Nading? On the replay JJ runs to about the 20, gets about as close to a horse collar tackle as you can get with no call and not once is Nading seen on tv. So he's like...15, 20 yards upfield from the play? That's really, really tacky.
silvrhand
All Pro
Even with the bad calls we were still in a position to win the game and could not find a way to win it, good teams find a way to win, even when everything else has gone wrong. The colts could have put us away but we hung in there and they left the door open for us to take the game, and we couldn't do it.
Hopefully we'll put a stomping on them when they come into the Texans stadium but right now we need to focus against the Titans, they are starting to look good again and we can't afford to lose to them.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Platitudes aside is this really correct? You going to tell me the Cowboys in Super Bowl V weren't a good team? - or that a ref giving the ball to the Colts after a Cowboy jumps on a fumble on the 1 and then runs out with the ball and somehow it gets called Colts ball didn't affect the outcome. Ref calls can definitely affect a game. I understand HoustonFrog not wanting to let it become some homer contest for one-sided complaints, but if a particular game is called one-sided it can definitely affect the outcome. That is even more true where a good team is on the bass end of the calls while playing a very good or great team.
And non-calls affect an outcome every bit as much as calls. Hitting us for offsides after offsides while only warning the Colts ("back up, 98, back up") is beyond words. That alone could have been the difference in the game. 13 calls to the Colts' 4 is too lopsided. Especially since we average only 5 penalties a game this season.
Anyone notice how "Official Review" was conspicuously missing from NFL Total Access this week?
Here's a look at the Texans' penalties this season, game by game ("one of these things is not like the others...":
Date Opponent Penalties Yards
Sept. 13 vs. Jets 6 37
Sept. 20 at Titans 6 40
Sept. 27 vs. Jaguars 5 60
Oct. 4 vs. Raiders 1 5
Oct. 11 at Cardinals 6 53
Oct. 18 at Bengals 7 60
Oct. 25 vs. 49ers 7 77
Nov. 1 at Bills 5 45
Nov. 8 at Colts 13 103
Date Opponent Penalties Yards
Sept. 13 vs. Jets 6 37
Sept. 20 at Titans 6 40
Sept. 27 vs. Jaguars 5 60
Oct. 4 vs. Raiders 1 5
Oct. 11 at Cardinals 6 53
Oct. 18 at Bengals 7 60
Oct. 25 vs. 49ers 7 77
Nov. 1 at Bills 5 45
Nov. 8 at Colts 13 103
I'm not saying there's some great conspiracy to predetermine outcomes or anything, but I think, like with superstars in the NBA, there is clear favoritism by officials in the NFL. Games are not called straight until they're in the national spotlight. You put this same game on prime time with a top crew, and we win by 2 touchdowns or more.
HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
Thanks for stating this. I want to clarify some things about my statements. I DO think refs can affect outcomes in games. My whole beef though has been using it as a crutch when things seem not to go your way. I try to stay level-headed and am not one for excuses. The ref stuff can eat you up. Just because my opinion on the fumble, etc is different doesn't mean I don't think there can be bad crews. I am one that has RAILED officiating in the NFL for years because they have cadavers that sell insurance on the side running up and down the field trying to regulate massive men that run 4.3s. I also see holding on almost every offensive play and yet it goes unchecked so I think the "ref screwed us meter" can become stronger in close games. I have seen these threads 3 games now and that is bothersome when you have a team that underperformed for a full half, had turnovers and was legitimately penalized an inordinate amount of times. You clean up your own act and the refs might not be a factor.
Overall though I still think there are games like the Seattle v Pitt SB that were affected by refs and others where the calls or non-calls were so egregious that it took away from the game.
See, this is what I'm talking about above. I really don't care if people have a problem with non-calls against the Colts but the Texns earned the 13 penalties. I've yet to hear how that is disputed. They made their own dumb plays.
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But they DIDN'T earn all 13 penalties. 6 or 7, yes. But there were at least two or three phantom "offsides" or "neutral zone" infractions that were bogus (the Connor Barwin one on the Colts' game-winning drive in particular), a "defensive holding" that wasn't, and a "personal foul" for a head hit that shouldn't have been because there was no other way to defend it (the defender wasn't leading with his helmet; Reggie Wayne turned his head INTO the hit as it was coming). Those were huge and DID affect the outcome.
And for the refs to penalize the Texans, yet "WARN" the Colts for the EXACT SAME INFRACTIONS?!? How can you NOT have a problem with that? Non-calls on holds, offsides, neutral zones, and horse-collar tackles certainly killed multiple Texans drives.
BigTimeTexanFan
Rookie
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Generally true, but then again it is also true that you aren't supposed to have to play the refs and the opposing team.
People have mentioned several of the plays which were not earned.
For example, as has been mentioned on 3rd and 1 with Houston up 17 to 13 at the beginning of the 4th quarter, the offsides on Conner Barwin giving the Colts a 1st down after Manning had thrown an incomplete pass. The whole transaction on this play was weird. Normally a ref that sees that throws the flag at the very beginning of the play. This time the flag didn't fly until the ball had been ruled an incompletion. He wasn't lined up off-sides and that one wasn't earned. Then the piece of the story really calling the neutrality of the ref in to play is hearing he was warning Mathis repeatedly. Now that's fine if he does it for everyone but it doesn't appear to be the case.
There were no penalties on the Colts TD drive to go to 20 points. Barwin was flagged on the prior possession immediately proceeding Pollard picking the ball. Didn't affect the game (although the ref didn't know that when he was handing them a free set of downs) but it is a good example of an unearned call.
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HoustonFrog
Dallas Frog
I respect and trust your view and if this was true, then that stinks. I personally didn't catch that one. But as I said above, I'm just more concerned at times about how the Texans come out flat, make some of their own mistakes and have the turnovers. The refs can throw you off your game. I know you aren't doing this but I just think the emphasis for some shouldn't be on the refs and should be on what the Texans did that caused more of the problem. Again, I respect the opinion.
OK, so you bring it down to 10 penalties....still too many. I'm not making light of your complaints, just that the blame is a little misplaced when you look at how the Texans played. As for the personal foul...you can give up on that. The league is going to throw a flag no matter the intent or how the player was playing it. Helmet to helmet...shoulder to helmet..whatever..will get called most of the time.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Just for giggles, tried to look to see where you could argue the outcome might have been affected:
1st Indy poss - 1 meaningless Houston penalty - 0 points
1st Hou poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
2nd Indy poss - 1 penalty each team. PI on Dunta on 3rd and 3 certainly significant to drive but not a bad call - 7 points
2nd Hou poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
3rd Indy poss - 2 penalties on Houston (1 other penalty was called on each team but were declined) - back to back offsides on Smith (nullifying a sack by Cushing and giving Indy a 1st down) and then on Mario. So was the ref warning our guys? I wouldn't call them game changers as Indy was in field goal range already and that is what they went away with - 3 points
3rd Hou poss - 1 penalty on each - nothing unearned/significant - 0 points
4th Indy poss - back to back plays 3 penalties on Hou with the last being offset by a penalty on Indy. First one significant as defensive holding on Cushing gave Indy a 1st down on an incomplete pass on 3rd and 2. I thought the call on Cushing was ticky tack but eh... - 3 points
4th Hou poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
5th Indy poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
5th Hou poss - 1 penalty on Indy plus I still don't like the fumble call but - 0 points
6th Indy poss - 1 penalty on Hou on what I would call a bad unnecessary roughness call. Arguably significant because it gave Indy a 1st down on an incomplete 3rd and 10 pass so 50 more seconds go off the clock but Manning later INT'd so - 0 points
6th Hou poss - 1 penalty Hou/JJ offsides and clock running out so FG - 3 points
Half time
7th Hou poss - 1 penalty on Hou - 7 points
7th Indy poss - 1 penalty on Hou - 0 points
8th Hou poss - 0 penalties - 7 points
8th Indy poss - 1 penalty on Hou (the Barwin phantom off-sides) followed by INT - 0 points
9th Hou poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
9th Indy poss - 0 penalties - 7 points
10th Hou poss - 1 penalty on Hou, still got a 1st down prior to INT - 0 points
10th Indy poss - 1 penalty on Indy - 0 points
11th Hou poss - 0 penalties - missed FG
Overall I did not like the officiating at all and I find the story of warning one side and then repeatedly flagging the other for offsides to be very disturbing. That said, looking it over, due to the timing of the penalties and results of the various drives it is hard to say the outcome was affected. I do wonder what the team would have done with 50 seconds more clock time on the last drive of the 1st half.
1st Indy poss - 1 meaningless Houston penalty - 0 points
1st Hou poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
2nd Indy poss - 1 penalty each team. PI on Dunta on 3rd and 3 certainly significant to drive but not a bad call - 7 points
2nd Hou poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
3rd Indy poss - 2 penalties on Houston (1 other penalty was called on each team but were declined) - back to back offsides on Smith (nullifying a sack by Cushing and giving Indy a 1st down) and then on Mario. So was the ref warning our guys? I wouldn't call them game changers as Indy was in field goal range already and that is what they went away with - 3 points
3rd Hou poss - 1 penalty on each - nothing unearned/significant - 0 points
4th Indy poss - back to back plays 3 penalties on Hou with the last being offset by a penalty on Indy. First one significant as defensive holding on Cushing gave Indy a 1st down on an incomplete pass on 3rd and 2. I thought the call on Cushing was ticky tack but eh... - 3 points
4th Hou poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
5th Indy poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
5th Hou poss - 1 penalty on Indy plus I still don't like the fumble call but - 0 points
6th Indy poss - 1 penalty on Hou on what I would call a bad unnecessary roughness call. Arguably significant because it gave Indy a 1st down on an incomplete 3rd and 10 pass so 50 more seconds go off the clock but Manning later INT'd so - 0 points
6th Hou poss - 1 penalty Hou/JJ offsides and clock running out so FG - 3 points
Half time
7th Hou poss - 1 penalty on Hou - 7 points
7th Indy poss - 1 penalty on Hou - 0 points
8th Hou poss - 0 penalties - 7 points
8th Indy poss - 1 penalty on Hou (the Barwin phantom off-sides) followed by INT - 0 points
9th Hou poss - 0 penalties - 0 points
9th Indy poss - 0 penalties - 7 points
10th Hou poss - 1 penalty on Hou, still got a 1st down prior to INT - 0 points
10th Indy poss - 1 penalty on Indy - 0 points
11th Hou poss - 0 penalties - missed FG
Overall I did not like the officiating at all and I find the story of warning one side and then repeatedly flagging the other for offsides to be very disturbing. That said, looking it over, due to the timing of the penalties and results of the various drives it is hard to say the outcome was affected. I do wonder what the team would have done with 50 seconds more clock time on the last drive of the 1st half.
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Battle Red Flash
Waterboy
To me it's not about whether they got the call right. It's more about our coaches not running a play. When I saw the very first replay, I said we need to run a play NOW. It was too close, and if I was the Colts coach, I would have red flagged it.
Our coaches in the sky blew it. They just had to run a quick off tackle play.
Clock management and the red flag are still weak spots for Kubiak and staff.
Our coaches in the sky blew it. They just had to run a quick off tackle play.
Clock management and the red flag are still weak spots for Kubiak and staff.
Yankee_In_TX
Dance Lindsay!
Let us know, I am tired of DVR'ing and fast forwarding through NFLN.
Air Canada
Waterboy
In reference to the penalties as well I heard that since Kubiak has been the coach we have only had double digit penalties twice is his tenure and we just happened to have 13 in Indy. When we average less than half that many.
Malloy
Hall of Fame
There was a similar situation in the Monday Night game, no flags thrown. The tackler was high profile, the reciever not (forgot who it was, I just remember thinking about the Houston-Colts call when I watched this game on Tuesday)
Air Canada
Waterboy
You do know the Colts did the same thing and it wasn't called on them.
Mailman
Pwned by Hakeem
FYI those segments are usually available online at nfl.com
http://www.nfl.com/videos/search-results?quickSearch=official+review
vanknights2002
Practice Squad
The Ref's blow the call. Moats lost the ball but it hit the colts player who was out of bounds. So the ball is out of bounds and the Texans should of kept the ball. (But the NFL wants a 8-0 Colts team to play the Pats. I think)
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
I'm not reading through all the post but I think if it's against St. Louis in Houston ... they don't overturn it .
Mike Perrera (sp) said there wasn't a good angle to proove if the guy touched it while he was out of bounce which would be cool if it was ruled a fumble on the field , which it wasn't .
Mike Perrera (sp) said there wasn't a good angle to proove if the guy touched it while he was out of bounce which would be cool if it was ruled a fumble on the field , which it wasn't .
Air Canada
Waterboy
If Mike Perrera said that, then it only further proves my point that the Texans got screwed by the refs there.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d8142045a/Official-Review-Week-9
There is the stupid official review from NFL Network where Mike Perrera says some contradicted BS.
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Goatcheese
Texan
Air Canada
Waterboy
If they can't tell, they're not supposed to change the call on the field.
What's funny is you can tell how unsure Mike Perrera is off the call too...
If they can't tell, they're not supposed to change the call on the field.
So they got the call wrong by not knowing the rules, and then they get the review wrong by stating something that is wrong as well. Unbelievable.
I love the sport of football and auto racing, but I hate when officials of the NFL and NASCAR won't own up to their mistakes. They try to appear that they are perfect when everyone knows that's not possible. Don't BS the fans.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
When on the road, ESPECIALLY in Indianapolis, they should just expect replays and calls like that. Everyone who knew that the ball had come out and been picked up by a defender, regardless of where it came out or where it got picked up, should've been screaming "Run a &*)^ing play!" Doesn't even matter how ridiculous an overturn on replay might have seemed. You're in an undefeated, division rival's stadium, with one of the most famous QBs around; you gotta know you're gonna get screwed.
So, there's Kubiak standing around waiting for the 2-minute warning...
I don't care if it was the right call or not, you don't trust the refs in Indianapolis unless they suck (sometime way in the future) and you are undefeated with a QB in GQ magazine.
OK, now I'm having thoughts of a cheerleader getting promoted to QB, but that's irrelavent.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Let me translate this...
"We know we screwed Houston on this and blew the call. We had no conclusive evidence to overturn the ruling on the field but we had to do it. It is important for everyone to understand that Indianapolis must be undefeated (for the sake of TV ratings) going into their Monday night game with New England. It is better for Disney and ultimately the league fat cats that this take place. What is the next play Rich?"
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It took a series of mistakes by the Texans before the refs mistake came into play. Moats should not have fumbled. Kubiak should not have slipped into another gameday coma and fail to get a play in prior to the 2 minute warning.
The Texans screwed the Texans in Indy. Just has they screwed themselves many times over during their 8 year history. When the Texans reduce those screwups, maybe, just maybe they'll become winners.
The Texans screwed the Texans in Indy. Just has they screwed themselves many times over during their 8 year history. When the Texans reduce those screwups, maybe, just maybe they'll become winners.
TexCanada
All Pro
Exactly. If we need to depend on our fumbles inadvertently touching the opposing players elbow while a small portion of his body is out of bounds, then I don't think we will win too many games from here on in. Don't fumble the ball and their won't be any confusion!
Wolfiegrrl
Fan of NFC Seahawks & AFC Texans
Maybe I'm confused, but isn't the clock supposed to stop if a runner or receiver goes out of bounds with the ball? If this play was originally called out of bounds on the one, why was the clock allowed to tick down to the 2:00 warning. Wouldn't we have had to snap the ball again to get the clock moving?
It's not the fumble or the bad call that bothers me as much as this piece that no one is talking about.
It's not the fumble or the bad call that bothers me as much as this piece that no one is talking about.
HJam72
Hall of Fame
Showtime100
Got JJ?
NFLN is getting ready to talk about the "fumble" in a couple of minutes.
The clock doesn't stop on an out-of-bounds play until INSIDE the 2:00 warning. However, on overturning the play, they should have put something like 0:19 back on the clock if they ruled a fumble and turnover.
Pereira has to side with his officials, but I think everyone in the league knows he was wrong. If the officials couldn't see conclusive evidence that Bethea STAYED IN BOUNDS, then the call on the field should not have been overturned. THAT'S where the biggest mistake was.
Additionally, if the NFL rule is really that if an OOB player can swat a loose ball and kill the play and get a touchback, that REALLY needs to be changed. What a ridiculous rule! A player outside the field of play can affect the result? As The Sicilian would say, that's preposterous!
Rozelle
Noob
I hear ya. This was too close to not get up there and run a play. This is on the staff.
Please answer me this... WHY is this still talked about... It was SUNDAY people, ya know 4 days ago... it is what it is, it's in the past, let's not dwell on things that just cannot be changed..The game is 60 minutes, when it's all zeros, there is a winner and a loser..then go on with your life...A game, that is it, the Texans made many mistakes, many... the refs made a few bad calls, ya know, that is football and it happens to just about every team..it is what it is, and it's 4 days ago.. look to the future, the past is dead and gone..
Man, sorry about the rant, but really, still harping on 1 call that ya'll seem to think would have won the game for them.. there was a second half to go, and if they did score, who knows what the Colts would have done after that, as you don't know if they would have scored or not either, as you can't say that the way it went down would have been the way it went down if Houston scored..
60 minutes, there is a winner, and a loser.. and it is that simple..don't ever let it come down to 1 play in the first half to say they were screwed...
Man, sorry about the rant, but really, still harping on 1 call that ya'll seem to think would have won the game for them.. there was a second half to go, and if they did score, who knows what the Colts would have done after that, as you don't know if they would have scored or not either, as you can't say that the way it went down would have been the way it went down if Houston scored..
60 minutes, there is a winner, and a loser.. and it is that simple..don't ever let it come down to 1 play in the first half to say they were screwed...
And to clarify the clock rule, the game clock DOES stop when a ball carrier goes out of bounds. After a ball carrier is out, and the game clock stops, it will restart when the line judge resets the ball and whistles play to continue. The exception is in the last 2 minutes of the first half or the last 5 minutes of the second half. In those cases the clock does not start again until the offense snaps the ball.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I agree for the most part. Just think what the Chargers boards were like when Hercules totally boned them last season.
Texan_Bill
Hall of Fame
By the looks of your picture yesterday, looks like that is exactly what you did !!
It's about learning from mistakes, my man.
I don't think most are necessarily griping, but we ALL want to learn from this. It's a really unique series of events that led to this ruling on the field. So it's about understanding the rules, figuring out what went wrong, and learning from the event to improve the team (and fans) going forward.
You're right; what's done is done, and we recovered from that call and took the lead, so it's moot, at least for me. It's just a fascinating study.