The NFL is rigged!

[b0ng]

How is it the Raiders have been the most penalized team year-after-year decade-after-decade even though they change players, assistants and coaches. They stress not making penalties, and yet still end up being the most penalized. The only thing that hasn't changed has been Davis-family ownership. Now, I think back in the early days when Al was countersuing the NFL for the right to move, the officials were told to put the squeeze on the Raiders. Ever since then it has just become ingrained in the officials brains over the years. What is really most frustrating though is when the officials are so keyed-in on watching the Raider players, that they miss what the other teams' players are doing. I can't tell you how often Mack gets held/tackled but doesn't get a flag.

The Raiders play games like the Texans did last night, all the time. The Texans just have to learn how to beat the opponents and the officials if this becomes a regular thing like it is with the Raiders and the officials.

Btw, you don't throw a ball with two hands when the ball is tucked to your chest. How could this be called incomplete?

This is what I don't get about raiders fans:

You **** swizzling motherfuckers come onto a Texans message board, after a game in which you guys will freely admit that the Texans got hosed in via officiating and tell us to take it like a man. The irony of this being you "men" will piss and moan about some nefarious scheme by the NFL to penalize the Raiders more because reasons. I don't go onto Titans message boards after a divisional game and tell them to suck it and not ***** about the refs.

No, my friend, you don't get to come here and talk in grandiose terms about being jobbed. You can do that on raiderfans.net and I won't have a cross word for you.

Now you want to talk about screw jobs you raider fans seem to not ever bring up one of the biggest: the Holy Roller. Us dirtbags in Houston don't have a fond memory of the refs awarding us a win like that, we have a no-catch and Don beebe stepping out of ******* bounds. We don't have something like that we can warm ourselves with when we think the NFL is out to get us. So spare me the righteous indignation that you seem to think comes with being a fan of silver and black.

Oh, and the tuck rule game? We didn't even have a franchise to ***** about getting hosed at that particular point in time. You know what? I'm glad the idiotshit raiders were dumb enough to trade their HC and keep his offensive schemes in place so they could get thoroughly wasted by Tampa Bay, of all teams, and go on to be a laughing stock for the next 15 years. Couldn't have happened to a finer group of people.

 

[EllisUnit]

I see a puff of something coming only from the right heel. But regardless, this confirms my previous post and the heel did come down in the white.

Start of clip the same debris comes off the left foot which isn't near the chalk as the foot near the chalk. The color on the video is off which can make all the colors off which explains why the grass coming up off left foot on the grass looks like chalk. No his heel did not touch the chalk.

 

[Number19]

In the video the left foot in the grass has the exact same throw up of "chalk" as the right foot. I've seen full slow mo clips, he didn't touch the chalk.

I'm unsure we're referring to the same video. The clip from the Oakland fan clearly shows the heel touching in the white.

 

[JCTexan]

I'm unsure we're referring to the same video. The clip from the Oakland fan clearly shows the heel touching in the white.

Except slow mo clips given by the Monday Night crew of the NFL showed him being in bounds. Do you honestly think they would do that if there was a shot of Hopkins being out of bounds?

 

[Number19]

Start of clip the same debris comes off the left foot which isn't near the chalk as the foot near the chalk. The color on the video is off which can make all the colors off which explains why the grass coming up off left foot on the grass looks like chalk. No his heel did not touch the chalk.

If you and I can't agree on what we are seeing then how can we fault the ref for calling the play as he saw it. It's just one of the breaks in the game.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

Simply identifying whether a ball has broken the plane of the goal line isn't necessarily enough. If the player's knee touched the ground before the ball crossed the line, for instance, then it wasn't a touchdown. Narasimhan raises the possibility of putting chips in kneepads, elbow pads and gloves.

I keep seeing this mention of elbow pads.

Is this the 70's?

How many players that actually would be handling the ball wear elbow pads?

Probably better off just injecting them right into the players body parts like we do with our pets.

Just inject sensors into all NFL players once they make a 53.

 

[EllisUnit]

I'm unsure we're referring to the same video. The clip from the Oakland fan clearly shows the heel touching in the white.

No it shows the heel over the line, from a high camera. You assume it hit, it didnt. Point is it was so close that they need to stop being whistle happy.

 

[Number19]

Except slow mo clips given by the Monday Night crew of the NFL showed him being in bounds. Do you honestly think they would do that if there was a shot of Hopkins being out of bounds?

I didn't see these so I can't comment. But I'm drawing my comments from what I see. And my point is that the ref, in at least this case, is calling the play as he saw it and I can't find fault in this.

 

[infantrycak]

I didn't see these so I can't comment. But I'm drawing my comments from what I see. And my point is that the ref, in at least this case, is calling the play as he saw it and I can't find fault in this.

Show it.

 

[FuzzyLogic]

Definately seems to be a puff of chalk.

My only issue with the "chalk" argument... watch the video, the first step in the video in which his left foot seems to be in bounds had the same "puff" you can't tell if it is chalk or the dusty dry field.

Doesn't mean anything - it was close enough to go either way since you still can't see if the heel touched or if he stayed on his toes. They still could have not blown the whistle and let the play conclude, no player was in imminent danger of being leveled by a hit. Then at the very least it would have been reviewed.

 

[Number19]

Show it.

Getting something from my tv to my iPhone is beyond my capabilities. Besides, the Oakland fan has already posted excellent footage.

(Edit) and the point is that this is just sour grapes.

 

[infantrycak]

Getting something from my tv to my iPhone is beyond my capabilities. Besides, the Oakland fan has already posted excellent footage.

(Edit) and the point is that this is just sour grapes.

Hell I own a Samsung and can do that. And I'm a Luddite.

 

[Number19]

My only issue with the "chalk" argument... watch the video, the first step in the video in which his left foot seems to be in bounds had the same "puff" you can't tell if it is chalk or the dusty dry field.

Doesn't mean anything - it was close enough to go either way since you still can't see if the heel touched or if he stayed on his toes. They still could have not blown the whistle and let the play conclude, no player was in imminent danger of being leveled by a hit. Then at the very least it would have been reviewed.

Excellently put. But to overturn the call on the field, the video needs to be conclusive. If the call is TD then this discussion would be taking place on the Oakland boards. The ref made a call and we came out on the wrong end.

 

[Number19]

Hell I own a Samsung and can do that. And I'm a Luddite.

Good for you. You get a blue star.

 

[infantrycak]

Good for you. You get a blue star.

Didn't volunteer for a star here or anywhere else. Don't mock that.

 

[JCTexan]

Excellently put. But to overturn the call on the field, the video needs to be conclusive. If the call is TD then this discussion would be taking place on the Oakland boards. The ref made a call and we came out on the wrong end.

No, this conversation wouldn't be taking place on a Raider message board. If it was a TD the call could have been reviewed. The ref was whistle happy and the play was blown dead. Whether or not Hopkins was in bounds doesn't seem definitive to me. The fact that the play can't be challenge is where the refs made the mistake in blowing the whistle.

 

[Pollardized]

Didn't volunteer for a star here or anywhere else. Don't mock that.

Don't let jock itch make you blue..... Blue Star can help, Chris!!!

 

[infantrycak]

Don't let jock itch make you blue..... Blue Star can help, Chris!!!

Missed the point. The NFL is not a consideration. My nation is. Even when I hate our administration, I love my country. Stars shouldn't be taken lightly.

They're are good people who have lost whether it's friends or family.

 

[Number19]

No, this conversation wouldn't be taking place on a Raider message board. If it was a TD the call could have been reviewed. The ref was whistle happy and the play was blown dead. Whether or not Hopkins was in bounds doesn't seem definitive to me. The fact that the play can't be challenge is where the refs made the mistake in blowing the whistle.

You state your case quite persuasively, But you are delving into the fine points of NFL officiating. I am not sure if you are correct or incorrect in saying an official should not blow his whistle if he believes the runner stepped out of bounds.

(Edit) If Nuk had been tacked at the 1 yd line would the play have been automatically reviewed? The whistle, I believe, was blown before the run had concluded.

 

[Number19]

double post

 

[Pollardized]

Missed the point. The NFL is not a consideration. My nation is. Even when I hate our administration, I love my country. Stars shouldn't be taken lightly.

They're are good people who have lost whether it's friends or family.

Yeah, ok.... I think I am lost. I thought he was giving you a star, like teachers gave us when we were kids and did something right. So I made a joke about jock itch and Blue Star Ointment. And now you are talking about our country and friends and family.

Yep I'm definitely lost

 

[infantrycak]

OK so the star thing gets me.

 

[JCTexan]

You state your case quite persuasively, But you are delving into the fine points of NFL officiating. I am not sure if you are correct or incorrect in saying an official should not blow his whistle if he believes the runner stepped out of bounds.

(Edit) If Nuk had been tacked at the 1 yd line would the play have been automatically reviewed? The whistle, I believe, was blown before the run had concluded.

Automatically reviewed, no. The Raiders could have challenged it though. There is the difference. You can't advance the ball once it's blown dead.

 

[infantrycak]

Yeah, ok.... I think I am lost. I thought he was giving you a star, like teachers gave us when we were kids and did something right. So I made a joke about jock itch and Blue Star Ointment. And now you are talking about our country and friends and family.

Yep I'm definitely lost

A blue star stands for someone standing in harms way.

 

[Pollardized]

A blue star stands for someone standing in harms way.

Damn... I immediately thought of Blue Star Ointment, Paul Bosch and Saturday night wrestling

 

[Number19]

Yeah, ok.... I think I am lost. I thought he was giving you a star, like teachers gave us when we were kids and did something right...

you are correct.

 

[False Start]

Definately seems to be a puff of chalk.

The fields are painted, so how can "chalk" pop up?

Then there is this.

Spoiler

 

[infantrycak]

you are correct.

No offense and I overreacted.

People go from blue stars to gold stars quickly.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I keep seeing this mention of elbow pads.

Is this the 70's?

How many players that actually would be handling the ball wear elbow pads?

Probably better off just injecting them right into the players body parts like we do with our pets.

Just inject sensors into all NFL players once they make a 53.

The researcher was just speculating where the best contact sites of placement for such devices might be. If the NFL wanted players to use such wear (elbow pads with sensor insert), you can be darn sure that they would make them required regulation attire.

And as far as injecting sensors (which would take a mini surgical incision), it would never happen. For one, one of the main arguments the NFLPA argued against blood rather than urine testing is that that players didn't like the thought of being "stuck." Besides that, chips as placed in dogs are virtually impossible to retrieve surgically without an extensive search and destroy mission, and therefore it is rare that they are ever removed. That would leave a player "tagged" forever, and would probably be rejected on the basis that it could be used for some future nefarious purpose .

 

[Pollardized]

No offense and I overreacted.

Damn Austin people

 

[Cerberus]

This is what I don't get about raiders fans . . .

I got as far as the personal insult, and didn't bother reading the rest of whatever you had to say. As for coming onto this board, check my "join date" and you'll see that I've been here for quite awhile (I have generated more messages and "likes" than you). I've been nothing but civil in my time here, and I'm glad to say most Texan fans have been civil to me in return. Most, not all.

And nobody is trying to tell you to take it like a man or whatever it was you typed after that. The point that myself and other Raider fans try to make is simply this: what took you so long to wake-up to the officiating?

 

[Number19]

Automatically reviewed, no. The Raiders could have challenged it though. There is the difference. You can't advance the ball once it's blown dead.

Again good reasoning. But what if Nuk is tackled at the 1 and is injured, out for the season; or the defender is injured? What if the play is reviewed under challenge and brought back. Would the trailing ref be questioned on not making a call? I'm still curious what the rules of officiating says is the correct position. I suspect that an official is supposed to call a play dead if he sees the runner step out of bounds. If replay shows the call is wrong, that's the breaks of the game.

 

[Cerberus]

Except slow mo clips given by the Monday Night crew of the NFL showed him being in bounds. Do you honestly think they would do that if there was a shot of Hopkins being out of bounds?

In that clip there is a coach on the sideline in the way on the all important step, so you never get to see his foot or the sideline when he is supposed to have stepped out.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Filo gets an eye full of hand through the mask..........no call for a flagrant hands to the face........and the only thing the ref needed to enjoy the view more was a big bag of popcorn..........

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

The researcher was just speculating where the best contact sites of placement for such devices might be. If the NFL wanted players to use such wear (elbow pads with sensor insert), you can be darn sure that they would make them required regulation attire.

And as far as injecting sensors (which would take a mini surgical incision), it would never happen. For one, one of the main arguments the NFLPA argued against blood rather than urine testing is that that players didn't like the thought of being "stuck." Besides that, chips as placed in dogs are virtually impossible to retrieve surgically without an extensive search and destroy mission, and therefore it is rare that they are ever removed. That would leave a player "tagged" forever, and would probably be rejected on the basis that it could be used for some future nefarious purpose .

I was being facetious with my post, but regarding required elbow pads I don't think that would work. Football is all contact and collisions. Pads shift. Gear shifts. Elbow pad moves and now it's not making contact with the ground the way it should.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I was being facetious with my post, but regarding required elbow pads I don't think that would work. Football is all contact and collisions. Pads shift. Gear shifts. Elbow pad moves and now it's not making contact with the ground the way it should.

Your right. Then let's SuperGlue the sensors to the various areas...........that would make everybody happy!!!!

 

[austins23]

It wasn't a judgement call like a PI...

PI needs to be looked at with replay as well. The call on Bouye (covering Crabtree) on the long ball was NOT PI. Their feet got tangled up. That cost the Texans big time.

 

[steelbtexan]

Gambling.

Yep,

God'ell is in the process of turning the NFL into the WWE. I've been saying this for yrs and am begining to lose interest in the league, although I do enjoy the NFL draft, even though God'ell has messed up the draft party I throw every yr by moving the draft to Thursday night. (Brilliant)

The concussion proponents are going to be right, the NFL is going to lose popularity if not become extinct. Not due to concussions, but from rigging games.

Just know this, the NFL cares very little about the fans who pay to watch the games. This is all about Gamblers/TV ratings and nothing more. So when calls are made like they were last night just do 1 of 2 things, 1. laugh at the fact people are betting on this crooked league or 2. Watch something else. When less people watch then and only then will things change. (BTW, Dez still caught that ball.)

Thanks God'ell

 

[Number19]

PI needs to be looked at with replay as well. The call on Bouye (covering Crabtree) on the long ball was NOT PI. Their feet got tangled up. That cost the Texans big time.

This was at the 3:39 mark of the 3rd Q. Their feet did seem to get tangled up, but the problem is, Bouye had his left arm extended and on Crabtree's back, appearing as if he was pushing Crabtree. This was when Crabtree was at the 15, just moments before the replay has a close up. Bouye's left hand made contact again as Crabtree was falling. Multiple flags were thrown. Bouye's initial contact may have helped the two get their feet tangled.

 

[austins23]

This was at the 3:39 mark of the 3rd Q. Their feet did seem to get tangled up, but the problem is, Bouye had his left arm extended and on Crabtree's back, appearing as if he was pushing Crabtree. This was when Crabtree was at the 15, just moments before the replay has a close up. Bouye's left hand made contact again as Crabtree was falling. Multiple flags were thrown. Bouye's initial contact may have helped the two get their feet tangled.

I hear you, but still, that was a chicken **** call. Should have been NO whistle.

 

[JCTexan]

But what if Nuk is tackled at the 1 and is injured, out for the season; or the defender is injured? What if the play is reviewed under challenge and brought back. Would the trailing ref be questioned on not making a call?

Well, we're talking about a fraction of an inch on whether or not Hopkins was in or out of bounds. No matter how many times we look at it, it wasn't definitive enough to be blowing a whistle when the rules state that you can't challenge a play once the whistle is blown. We're not talking about a clear out of bounds play here. There was a play very similar that happened in this very game when Lamar Miller scored a touchdown but the play was challenged and ruled out at the 1. In my opinion, that is the correct way to do it. If the refs called Miller out at the 1 yard-line, the Texans wouldn't have been allowed to challenge. To me, it's a glitch in the rule book. Why is a defense allowed to benefit from that type of challenge but an offense isn't?

 

[Number19]

Well, we're talking about a fraction of an inch on whether or not Hopkins was in or out of bounds. No matter how many times we look at it, it wasn't definitive enough to be blowing a whistle when the rules state that you can't challenge a play once the whistle is blown. We're not talking about a clear out of bounds play here. There was a play very similar that happened in this very game when Lamar Miller scored a touchdown but the play was challenged and ruled out at the 1. In my opinion, that is the correct way to do it. If the refs called Miller out at the 1 yard-line, the Texans wouldn't have been allowed to challenge. To me, it's a glitch in the rule book. Why is a defense allowed to benefit from that type of challenge but an offense isn't?

I just now read another thread where this call was discussed. It seems as if two officials blew the play dead; a ref in front of the player as well as the trailing ref. We're talking fractions of a second. You're the ref, running the sideline to keep up. Your whistle is in your mouth. You're watching the sideline, you're watching the runners feet; you see a poof of something (chalk) and instinctively blow the whistle. If two refs blew the play dead, then this reinforces the correctness of the call, in my opinion.

 

[Number19]

The grass is coming up the same way on his left foot just before the right foot hit "chalk"....and chalk, WTF this isn't baseball who uses chalk in the NFL ?

Dang it, went to bed and this thought entered my head: this game wasn't played in an NFL stadium. This was a soccer field/ stadium.

 

[JB]

my question is why was Hops running so close to the sideline in the first place? If he ran middle of the hash marks there never would have been a question.

Disclaimer: I didn't get to watch the game, only listen to the majority of first 3 quarters

 

[Number19]

my question is why was Hops running so close to the sideline in the first place? If he ran middle of the hash marks there never would have been a question.

Disclaimer: I didn't get to watch the game, only listen to the majority of first 3 quarters

Dang, I must be losing my mind. I would of sworn there was a comment about a bean bag or hat being thrown, rather than a whistle blown.

Way back when, I remember this being the case. I really can't recall this being done recently in the NFL.

 

[JCTexan]

I just now read another thread where this call was discussed. It seems as if two officials blew the play dead; a ref in front of the player as well as the trailing ref. We're talking fractions of a second. You're the ref, running the sideline to keep up. Your whistle is in your mouth. You're watching the sideline, you're watching the runners feet; you see a poof of something (chalk) and instinctively blow the whistle. If two refs blew the play dead, then this reinforces the correctness of the call, in my opinion.

Even if the call was correct there has to be a rule change where the refs don't blow the whistle, the play is allowed to continue (Hopkins scores or not) & the refs can then rule he was down at the 35(?). The way it is now it doesn't matter if Hopkins was in bounds or not, the play was blown dead by the ref. Either way you look at it, that doesn't seem fair and it doesn't matter if the play was called correct or not.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

my question is why was Hops running so close to the sideline in the first place? If he ran middle of the hash marks there never would have been a question.

Disclaimer: I didn't get to watch the game, only listen to the majority of first 3 quarters

He turned up field down the sideline to avoid defenders.

 

[ROO]

Concerning the blown whistle stopping the play: I seem to remember that sometimes things that happen after the whistle are allowed to count upon review. For example, a fumble that occurs right as the runner is going to the ground. Ref on the field calls the runner down by contact and blows the whistle while the ball is coming out. Mad scramble for the ball ensues after the whistle has blown. Defense recovers. But refs on field say the ball belongs to the offense. Play is reviewed and overturned, ball goes to defense. So action after the whistle is allowed to stand. Am I right?

 

[JB]

He turned up field down the sideline to avoid defenders.

yes, that is usually the case, and I have never understood why they run so close that a misstep will cause them to go out of bounds

 

[austins23]

I may have missed it through all this crap, but I haven't seen much mention on the 3rd down play by Braxton. 3rd and 2 I think, Braxton in the Wildcat. Goes right and is tackled and thrown forward, but he was on top of the defender. His knee was never down. That also should have been a first down.