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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread
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Players always wait to sign franchise tenders to avoid injury and to work out an extension
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If you end up wrong, I will personally see to it that your crow is free.
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The Texans don't want less than the 3rd round pick they would get as compensation for him signing elsewhere, and nobody will pay that or more for a rental.
So now we're in purgatory: JD doesn't want to sign tag and get traded to bad team, no good team will pay comparable price to comp pick, whole locker room is upset at OB apparently (said Romeo even threatened to retire), and now tensions are worse than they've ever been going into the season..."
It should've been this yr and I like Scharping and Howard's futures are bright. They should've done what it took to get Dillard and the rebuild would be on track. Since they didn't choose to do this they are atleast 1 yr behind unless they 1. get lucky with the Clowney trade. 2. Draft a LT that can play well right away like Dillard.
austins23
Hall of Fame
No, I’m just old school. I prefer punching a couple small holes in my empty beer can and taking a few hits from an impromptu bong!
So it's year 1 of a 3 year rebuild.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
LMAOOOO I remember when I was told that Clowneys knee would limit interest. Seems like half the league has called.
What is sad is that due to the constant mismanagement of talent that JD will be sacrificed by OBrien to make up for the OL misses over the last 2 years. This defense will regress horribly and the offense will still suck. SMH.
What is sad is that due to the constant mismanagement of talent that JD will be sacrificed by OBrien to make up for the OL misses over the last 2 years. This defense will regress horribly and the offense will still suck. SMH.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
The Texans have totally screwed themselves into a corner by not either extending Clowney or trading him. Our only option now is to trade him for the best deal we can get. If he plays for the Texans on the franchise tag this year, he will surely want to leave next year in free agency, and we get nothing. Sure, we could tag him again next year but that would mean we are paying over $32m in 2 years - I just don't see the Texans doing that or that Clowney would accept it.
The Dolphins have a lot of draft capital and we are down a (likely) 3rd round pick next year. I can't see the Dolphins trading a quality player but I think they would trade a high pick or combination of picks.
I like Clowney and think he is just now reaching his potential. My preference is to keep him but I don't think he is worth the $20M/year that he does. Our best option is to find a trade partner that Clowney would approve and get the most we can.
The Dolphins have a lot of draft capital and we are down a (likely) 3rd round pick next year. I can't see the Dolphins trading a quality player but I think they would trade a high pick or combination of picks.
I like Clowney and think he is just now reaching his potential. My preference is to keep him but I don't think he is worth the $20M/year that he does. Our best option is to find a trade partner that Clowney would approve and get the most we can.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
banned1976
sleeper mode
Who’s Tony Pauline?
gs27
Veteran
What would be getting bent over? I think if we get a starting tackle, or a likely early 2nd round or better pick it would be a success. I would be happy getting Dieter and Miami's 2nd, or Dillard from the Eagles. Would also be happy with letting it ride and FT Clowney again next year and possibly a 3rd time in 2021. 3 years at $66M with no guarantees is a pretty damn team friendly deal. Now if Obien gets some middle of the road WR or RB and late round picks, I will join you with a sign on Kirby.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
The longer this plays out, the more I like clowney. Because he the one mofo that is sticking It to OB. Lol.
I wonder if OB now realizes that the GM stuff ain't so easy
I wonder if OB now realizes that the GM stuff ain't so easy
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
What you want and what you get to different things. The 4 headed GM we have is now learning this....
No. He's realizing he also needs to be the cap guy. Bye Olsen.
What do you think about Drake, stills and a third?
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Dudes, JD wont play in Miami. Give it up. OB wants this so Clowney says no. Miami dont want him. OB wants him in Miami
So does JD show up next week?
Sounds like they've been trying to trade him for a while. He's just not the draw we think he is.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
After firing his agent. No. Never had any Intentions of playing under OB again
Also we've been trying to get a good LT for him. Even Mack didn't get that
So what's the endgame? He sits out the year?
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
No, other teams low balling dumbass
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
https://twitter.com/adamclanton/status/1166453079094571015?s=21
Can’t wait to hear what exactly fractured this relationship so quickly.
Can’t wait to hear what exactly fractured this relationship so quickly.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Probably just to piss OB off. Things have gotten personal if you ask me. Work ethic being put out there, we know what dude brings to table. Not enough sacks??? Well dude is classified as on OLB. If he was used strictly as DE would his sacks be up. Does JJ get to free lance but clowney get his as chewed when he loses contain. If clowney gets 90M guaranteed from texans can they afford to sign JJ to extension. Yeah so many reasons for Clowney to want to go elsewhere.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
OB for $500 please
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
gs27
Veteran
I think trade wise it would be decent value. But I would prefer a starting tackle or 1st or early 2nd round round draft pick
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Think about it, can the texans put like 200M into the Dline when JJ extends and having Clowney but have no protection for Watson then have to extend him. Lol Texans are so screwed in this situation.
I'm worried Watson will not resign here. Why should he???
I'm worried Watson will not resign here. Why should he???
gs27
Veteran
But doesn't have to be want versus get. It's want versus have. We have rights to Clowney for 3 years 66M with nothing guaranteed, if you don't get what you want you keep what you have. I have faith O'Brien won't give up what they have if what they want isn't offered.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
I see what you saying but if clowney sits out and Watson is destroyed then what. We do it again next year. OB has screwed this up so bad. Now clowney is getting new representation. What if all the new rep clowney is interviewing says sit the year. You'll get a better deal next year
gs27
Veteran
You continue on your way and franchise tag him again next year and the year after. Is he ready to sit out 3 years. Clowney has no power, his last agent prolly got fired for telling him that.
Best thing Clowney can do is ball out and hope it results in a team offering the Texans a decent package and landing clowney a long term contract.
He's afraid he'll be shipped to Miami for a song. Just because BO'b doesn't like him & can pull the strings to make it happen.
But the situation will be the same, ball out in Miami & hope Miami will pony up to pay him, or that a contender is willing to compensate Miami for the opportunity to sign him.
But the only way he's getting paid in 2019 is to sign.
If it were me, I'd be happy to leave this sinking ship. Cleveland, Buffalo, Arizona... as long as it's out.
If they get lucky and either trade or draft an above avg LT then this will be yr 2 of a 3 yr rebuild. Unfortunately it looks like BOB has screwed up the Clowney situation so they wont get a LT in trade and I have no faith in Devlin finding/developing a draft pick.
So we are in yr 2 of a 4 yr rebuild and if things dont get better BOB should be fired but he probably wont be.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
If Clowney has been told and believes his knee only has so many plays left then he might not think sitting out is the worst thing in the world.
If he believes a year saved is a year earned then sitting out until week 9 might seem more appealing. Don’t have to get traded, still get a little change plus the accrued season.
Dude might only be looking at one big contract anyways. Sitting out and preserving his health might not suck so bad.
I say all this to say, I doubt he does that.
If he believes a year saved is a year earned then sitting out until week 9 might seem more appealing. Don’t have to get traded, still get a little change plus the accrued season.
Dude might only be looking at one big contract anyways. Sitting out and preserving his health might not suck so bad.
I say all this to say, I doubt he does that.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
Seems like each day that passes is going to make it less likely we get what we are looking for in return.
cameronkrazie86
Rookie
What a disaster and cluster-you-know-what. Just a master class in how to not handle things.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
If I just fired my agent, I'd want consultation from my new agent before making any decision.
Also, letting the clock tick while fielding interest from other teams must offer a sense of vindication after being treated like a stepchild by his coach since 2014.
I wouldn't be surprised if he rode this out another week.
Also, letting the clock tick while fielding interest from other teams must offer a sense of vindication after being treated like a stepchild by his coach since 2014.
I wouldn't be surprised if he rode this out another week.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Both Bill O'Brien and Jadeveon Clowney could leave the Texans organization and I wouldn't lose even a single solitary second of sleep over it.
BOBdaFRAUD
Waterboy
OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRUTH HAS BEEN SPOKEN............. let the stars be witness
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
JD said he was going to be ready week 1 all along though. Even moved it up to week 3 preseason at one time until something happened. If he really felt his knee was an issue why even risk it for the franchise tag? He would sit until he got the big deal. Wasn’t the case here.
I want to know what that “something” was.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Guy is a GM nightmare. I’ve looked at that micro fracture process the last few days...for what that is worth not being a doctor, but what seems most important is there simply isn’t much of a track record with athletes and it. Despite this, from what I recall, he opted for this procedure. Certainly didn’t need to go that way. Could say he put himself in this predicament. So goes the problem. Compound that with him wanting an extension for big bucks...what would you do? Just curious? For his situation the franchise tag is the best situation for both sides, imo. I’d give him the DE slot and move on. If he doesn’t sign it hurts him more than us. I’m not getting emotional for a guy that stands to make 17million. There are 31 other teams that could use an end rusher but aren’t biting.
edo783
Hall of Fame
According to PFT, that thing was JD learning/seeing BOB had been actively was/had been trying to trade him. So, don't look for him to sign this week unless someone makes an offer in a place he wants to go.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
He didn't opt for microfracture surgery, it was necessary. Many of us have been educated on the procedure, the related case study evidence, and the forecast of the athlete's future because we used to have an expert trauma surgeon in this forum.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
If Clowney was on the open Market do you seriously think 31 teams "aren't biting"?
It's not just a team wanting him, there is also the contract he would demand + the compensation that would need to be given up to the Texans to get him + the assurance from Clowney that he'd want to be there long term.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
That wasn’t the case here because it never was a case. If he thought his knee was an issue sitting out’s going to earn him a big contract? Clowney is a better man than this. If I’m looking at this correctly he’s going to have to play for that big contract. He will play here or go to a team with a one year contract. Unless someone is 100% sold on him, I have to believe teams want to see him for a year before taking a major leap. He’s better off showing his skills here again because as of today he’s not in big contract demand.
Screwing with folks income can make stuff come to a head really quickly. Not saying that's what happened here though. If I'm Clowney, I give two sh*ts about BoB and worry about what Crennel thinks.
He wants DE $$, then he should get DE production. Never breaking 10 sacks to this point in his career makes that a hard argument.
I have zero faith that BoB would know a good trade deal if it bit him in the a**.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Wasn't that surgeon pretty negative about the longer term success of that procedure? We are now in “ longer term”. I don’t know why but when he gave his final update he never mentioned Clowney. Too bad, would have helped with this discussion.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Knowing what we know or don’t know at this point, if you were the GM of a team that is SB ready right now and I’ll even concede you could use another edge rusher, would you trade for Clowney right now and give him a 100+ million extension? Don’t forget you are SB ready and have good players with their own extension issues. I wouldn’t. The knee, money and prior production for that money is a perfect storm.