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The Johnny "Football" Manziel NFL thread

thunderkyss said:
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And, of course, we shall honor each other by not having sex until our Las Vegas wedding night.
 
bah007 said:
I just saw an ESPN report that Manziel is actually living with Josh Gordon right now, which is a terrible look for both of them.
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Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum...........:toropalm:

Johnny Manziel actually living with Josh Gordon
Posted by Darin Gantt on April 11, 2016, 2:51 PM EDT

Johnny Manziel is living with an NFL player who knows something about being suspended, but it apparently isn’t Von Miller.

Despite Manziel claiming that he was staying with the Super Bowl MVP, his roommate actually isn’t in the league at the moment.

According to ESPN, the former Browns quarterback is staying in an apartment with suspended Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon.

If he’s being honest with himself, Gordon would probably prefer to not have Manziel’s name associated with his, at a time when Gordon’s trying to get reinstated from his own year-long suspension for multiple violations of the substance abuse program.

After he told a TMZ cameraman last weekend he was living with Miller, Manziel said: “We’re getting our lives together, bro.”

Miller has bounced back from a six-game suspension for violating the league’s drug policy in 2013, and has gotten his together nicely.

Both Gordon and Manziel could benefit from that kind of example, even though they’re not under the same roof. And while TMZ would happily oblige, there should be cameras in that apartment, for the inevitable reality show.
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Gary Kubiak and Troy Aikman have both reached out to Johnny Manziel and gave him some life advise. Two excellent role models there. What is Johnny waiting for? Seems like he has some great men in his corner.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Gary Kubiak and Troy Aikman have both reached out to Johnny Manziel and gave him some life advise. Two excellent role models there. What is Johnny waiting for? Seems like he has some great men in his corner.
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You can't force a person to change. He has to want to change before anyone will be able to help him.

He obviously doesn't want to change yet.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Gary Kubiak and Troy Aikman have both reached out to Johnny Manziel and gave him some life advise. Two excellent role models there. What is Johnny waiting for? Seems like he has some great men in his corner.
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Listen, I've played in bands with addicts, I've had friends and family become addicts, and this is just the way it goes.

I know a few weeks ago you posted a "yeah, man, but if he'd just hang out with me and we could be buds, I could straighten him out." I've been there, doesn't work.

Right now, life's a party and he's having fun with it. He's not going to stop that unless something bad can shake him out of it. And that something has to be really, really bad.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Listen, I've played in bands with addicts, I've had friends and family become addicts, and this is just the way it goes.

I know a few weeks ago you posted a "yeah, man, but if he'd just hang out with me and we could be buds, I could straighten him out." I've been there, doesn't work.

Right now, life's a party and he's having fun with it. He's not going to stop that unless something bad can shake him out of it. And that something has to be really, really bad.
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Unfortunately, that bad is often bad for someone else
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Listen, I've played in bands with addicts, I've had friends and family become addicts, and this is just the way it goes.

I know a few weeks ago you posted a "yeah, man, but if he'd just hang out with me and we could be buds, I could straighten him out." I've been there, doesn't work.

Right now, life's a party and he's having fun with it. He's not going to stop that unless something bad can shake him out of it. And that something has to be really, really bad.
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Right now, we don't the extent of his "addiction." He may not have a problem at all. He's made some choices we wouldn't make, but his situation is different than ours.

To play in the NFL is our dream, may never have been his. He'll probably get a reality show that would wipe the Kardashians completely off network TV.

Outside of ruining his NFL career, what's he done?

I agree with what you said, if the guy isn't ready, the guy isn't ready. But still, we don't know the extent of his situation.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Right now, we don't the extent of his "addiction." He may not have a problem at all. He's made some choices we wouldn't make, but his situation is different than ours.

To play in the NFL is our dream, may never have been his. He'll probably get a reality show that would wipe the Kardashians completely off network TV.

Outside of ruining his NFL career, what's he done?

I agree with what you said, if the guy isn't ready, the guy isn't ready. But still, we don't know the extent of his situation.
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Then why enter the draft?
Why waste Cleveland's time? Why take their money?
IMHO, the only thing Manziel is addicted to is being the center of attention.
 
ObsiWan said:
Then why enter the draft?
Why waste Cleveland's time? Why take their money?
IMHO, the only thing Manziel is addicted to is being the center of attention.
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Do you really need me to answer the questions you just answered?
 
No alternative theories. I thinkyou're spot on. At one time he believed a career in the NFL would get him what he wants. Then he realized he would have to work to get & secure a starting job.

He inadvertently discovered that a starting job wasn't necessary, a position in the NFL isn't even required. He can simply do what he wants to do, ham it up for the camera every now & again...

I wouldn't be surprised if he's negotiatin with some network right now. Trying to figure out how to incorporate his "gig'em" life & Hollywood.
 
ObsiWan said:
My theory is in the last line of my post.

Manziel is, simply put, an
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And, yes, I am curious to see if you have an alternative theory.
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Manziel is NOTHING at this point but a football Kardashian. He's a pathetic little man who lacks any sort of self-control and seems unable to comprehend (much less appreciate) the opportunities given to him in life.

I look forward to the point when he is as irrelevant to NFL news as anything other losers like JaMarcus Russell or Jeff George does.
 
Double Barrel said:
Manziel is NOTHING at this point but a football Kardashian. He's a pathetic little man who lacks any sort of self-control and seems unable to comprehend (much less appreciate) the opportunities given to him in life.

I look forward to the point when he is as irrelevant to NFL news as anything other losers like JaMarcus Russell or Jeff George does.
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Man, that's not fair to Jeff George. He may not have lived up to the #1 pick, and was an ass in general, but in three seasons between '94-'97 (he was hurt one year) he threw for 12K yards and 75 TD's. Pretty much was Good Schaub before Schaub was. JFF will never come close to seeing that for his entire career.
 
sandman said:
Man, that's not fair to Jeff George. He may not have lived up to the #1 pick, and was an ass in general, but in three seasons between '94-'97 (he was hurt one year) he threw for 12K yards and 75 TD's. Pretty much was Good Schaub before Schaub was. JFF will never come close to seeing that for his entire career.
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ha! Good point. That shows how low Manziel is right now when he can make a guy like Jeff George look good!
 
Double Barrel said:
Manziel is NOTHING at this point but a football Kardashian. He's a pathetic little man who lacks any sort of self-control and seems unable to comprehend (much less appreciate) the opportunities given to him in life.

I look forward to the point when he is as irrelevant to NFL news as anything other losers like JaMarcus Russell or Jeff George does.
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Why all the hate? True, he's wasting away a football career, but we weren't all cut out for an NFL caree .

All the hard work & dedication he is now deciding he wants no part of, you & I decided we don't want any part of either. A long time ago. It's only because of his obvious talents that he is able to make that decision now.

& unlike Jamarcus, Manziel has options.

He's far from the only twenty-something trying to figure out what he does want to do with his life.
 
thunderkyss said:
Why all the hate? True, he's wasting away a football career, but we weren't all cut out for an NFL caree .

All the hard work & dedication he is now deciding he wants no part of, you & I decided we don't want any part of either. A long time ago. It's only because of his obvious talents that he is able to make that decision now.

& unlike Jamarcus, Manziel has options.

He's far from the only twenty-something trying to figure out what he does want to do with his life.
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It's just irritating when we see opportunity - golden-f*ckin' opportunity - just flat squandered.

But you're right. It's his call to make.
 
thunderkyss said:
Why all the hate? True, he's wasting away a football career, but we weren't all cut out for an NFL caree .

All the hard work & dedication he is now deciding he wants no part of, you & I decided we don't want any part of either. A long time ago. It's only because of his obvious talents that he is able to make that decision now.

& unlike Jamarcus, Manziel has options.

He's far from the only twenty-something trying to figure out what he does want to do with his life.
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None of those other 20-somethings are on my TV annoying me.
 
eriadoc said:
None of those other 20-somethings are on my TV annoying me.
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Stay off TMZ & other channels targeting teenage girls.


J/k... but honestly the only place I get Manziel news is here in this thread. NFLNetwork covers the big things, but it's not like it was when he was drafted, or when he was in the NFL.

He's a non-story to everyone but the tabloids.
 
I really have't followed Manziel, but I'm a little curios, exactly what has he done (the short answer) and how is he different from Babe Ruth, Bobby Lane or Joe Namith. My uninformed impression is that he is simply a victim of modern liberal meddling. I think a player should have the freedom to live as he pleases, as long as he can produce on the playing field on Sunday. I sure wouldn't tolerate my life being dictated by others. Of course I'm a freeborn libertarian.
 
thunderkyss said:
Stay off TMZ & other channels targeting teenage girls.


J/k... but honestly the only place I get Manziel news is here in this thread. NFLNetwork covers the big things, but it's not like it was when he was drafted, or when he was in the NFL.

He's a non-story to everyone but the tabloids.
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He's on NFLN and local sports radio every time he does something. And it's always something stupid.
 
If manziel was putting up the numbers then i think teams wouldn't mind (for the most part).

Football came easy to him. In Kerrville he was a man among boys on the gridiron. At A&M i guess the same thing. However with the big boy league, he needed to prove to his coaches that he can deliver. He hasn't shown that. He needed to buckle down, study the game ,earn the coaches trust and go from there. Nothing wrong with going out but he needed to prove himself first. Esp when he is getting paid

Imo
 
Number19 said:
I really have't followed Manziel, but I'm a little curios, exactly what has he done (the short answer) and how is he different from Babe Ruth, Bobby Lane or Joe Namith. My uninformed impression is that he is simply a victim of modern liberal meddling. I think a player should have the freedom to live as he pleases, as long as he can produce on the playing field on Sunday. I sure wouldn't tolerate my life being dictated by others. Of course I'm a freeborn libertarian.
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Exactly. & I support you & the whole lesbian movement by the way. Do you.
 
thunderkyss said:
Exactly. & I support you & the whole lesbian movement by the way. Do you.
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No, I do not support any political movement named "lesbian movement". But I do support individuals having the right to live their life unimpeded by government or social controls.
 
thunderkyss said:
Why all the hate? True, he's wasting away a football career, but we weren't all cut out for an NFL caree .

All the hard work & dedication he is now deciding he wants no part of, you & I decided we don't want any part of either. A long time ago. It's only because of his obvious talents that he is able to make that decision now.

& unlike Jamarcus, Manziel has options.

He's far from the only twenty-something trying to figure out what he does want to do with his life.
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No hate involved. I have absolutely no animosity toward Manziel.

But, that said, I laugh at stupid, and he's displaying raging stupidity right now. And it's his choice to be stupid, so he's fair game for ridicule.

When NFLN has to cover this dipshit and his shenanigans, he crosses my radar. I'd rather get news on REAL football players that actually care about the game than hear about this clown, but apparently the Kardashian TMZ culture has now permeated the sports world where people want to be updated on the bottom feeders.

See, it's not hate, but just calling it like I see it. When he actually appreciates the opportunities and actually does something worthy of praise, I'll be glad to give him props. But as of now, he's just another failed NFL reject that I am not obligated to respect or care about.
 
Double Barrel said:
No hate involved. I have absolutely no animosity toward Manziel.

But, that said, I laugh at stupid, and he's displaying raging stupidity right now. And it's his choice to be stupid, so he's fair game for ridicule.

When NFLN has to cover this dipshit and his shenanigans, he crosses my radar. I'd rather get news on REAL football players that actually care about the game than hear about this clown, but apparently the Kardashian TMZ culture has now permeated the sports world where people want to be updated on the bottom feeders
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Double Barrel said:
No hate involved. I have absolutely no animosity toward Manziel.

But, that said, I laugh at stupid, and he's displaying raging stupidity right now. And it's his choice to be stupid, so he's fair game for ridicule.

When NFLN has to cover this dipshit and his shenanigans, he crosses my radar. I'd rather get news on REAL football players that actually care about the game than hear about this clown, but apparently the Kardashian TMZ culture has now permeated the sports world where people want to be updated on the bottom feeders.

See, it's not hate, but just calling it like I see it. When he actually appreciates the opportunities and actually does something worthy of praise, I'll be glad to give him props. But as of now, he's just another failed NFL reject that I am not obligated to respect or care about.
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Again, I think I watch as much NFLNetwork as the next guy, espin too... I don't think I've seen a Manziel story as often as y'all are portraying.

But whatever.

& the thing about him being stupid... like I said, this kid has options & the NFL doesn't appear at the top of his list.

If a guy decided to pursue a life in the ministry, military, or public service, would we call him stupid?

We've got guys retiring after relatively short careers, are we calling them stupid,

johnny doesn't want an NFL career... so what.
 
Number19 said:
I really have't followed Manziel, but I'm a little curios, exactly what has he done (the short answer) and how is he different from Babe Ruth, Bobby Lane or Joe Namith. My uninformed impression is that he is simply a victim of modern liberal meddling. I think a player should have the freedom to live as he pleases, as long as he can produce on the playing field on Sunday. I sure wouldn't tolerate my life being dictated by others. Of course I'm a freeborn libertarian.
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Manziel basically started all this attention on him when he was at A&M, if you recall (you may not if you didn't see it) he was putting himself out there on social media voluntarily. Couple that with his semi celebrity status and the digital age - he pretty much created his own monster. If his life was being dictated by others he'd probably be playing in the nfl and staying off the booze, oh and keeping his word. I have no sympathy for the dude.

Also, here in Houston - A&M news is fairly prominent with the amount of alumni in the area.
 
Number19 said:
I really have't followed Manziel, but I'm a little curios, exactly what has he done (the short answer) and how is he different from Babe Ruth, Bobby Lane or Joe Namith....
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Well, if you want to lump him into some kind of group with those people then it has absolutely nothing to do with what he has done. It is entirely about what he has not done.
 
Keidel: Johnny Manziel… Why Do We Still Care?
April 11, 2016 4:34 PM
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So Johnny Manziel mused profoundly about life in Denver, while he was drinking (moderately, of course) in Los Angeles.

It’s typical Manziel, to be so grandiose despite his circumstances, dreaming of the high orbit of Super Bowls, while burning in the lava of his decisions. We can, we have to, expect that from Manziel, whose handle of Johnny Football has now assumed all the dark contours of his nightlife and none of the sun-splashed Saturdays that made him famous.

But why do we still care? Why can’t we get enough of this kid, who, frankly, has accomplished nothing since he became old enough to drink, other than prove he can consume enough booze to float a battleship. If Manziel isn’t careful, he will soon become the Paris Hilton of the gridiron, living off his name, not his game, celebrated for the parties he attends rather than the passes he completes.

But is this by design? Is it a coincidence that all of Manziel’s movements are framed and archived moments after they happen? Whether or not we admit it, he’s good for business.

It’s not a coincidence that TMZ has morphed into a monster, a cartoonish bouquet of cameras and microphones, an army of photographers planted across the continent? They’re camped outside some midnight enclave in L.A., ready for some soul to stagger out of a strip or night club (Manziel). They’re ready for a wayward punch to be thrown in Toronto (Jahlil Okafor).

Manziel’s most famous photos are now of him in a casino or bar or other dim corner of excess. We only see him in repose, bleary-eyed, sprawled over some inflated fowl, guzzling Cristal before a liquor-soaked lens, flanked by sycophants who just want a quick sip of his fame.

His own father famously implored the world to find his son some help. In an unusually tender moment, Manziel’s dad agonized over the idea that his son wouldn’t be alive for his next birthday.

Our response? Lights. Camera. Action.

Is it a coincidence that TMZ has tweaked its sports arm into a national power, so strong and wide it’s now got its own time slot on Fox Sports 1? How many offshoots (Katie Nolan) have remolded the talk show template into its own form of industrial “gotcha” game.

The Shield has room for icons and iconoclasts. The NFL surely buys into the advertising edict that there’s no such thing as bad publicity. Other than the Ray Rice video, and the occasional, brutal malfeasance of Adrian Peterson and Greg Hardy, the NFL trades on the bright lights of brutality, on and off the gridiron.

We are just as guilty. We watch every second of it, gobbling up every quip, report or sound bite. We snatch those newspapers and flip right to Page Six, where we find our water cooler fodder.

Sorry life sucks, Johnny Manziel. But we see you through the PR prism of Johnny Football, the All-American, the football rebel without a cause or a pause. Our bad boy deluxe.

If the NFL doesn’t bask in this heat, then why is Manziel cuddling so closely with the Broncos? Why is the Super Bowl MVP (Von Miller) reportedly his roommate? Why is the Super Bowl head coach “keeping in touch”? Surely it’s more than the provincial pride of a shared alma mater. There are conflicting reports about Manziel and Miller as bunkmates, but they’re still quite chummy.

Does John Elway really want John Manziel? There’s nothing in the Hall-of-Famer’s history to suggest he keeps company with cannons as loose as Manziel. Especially when the QB doesn’t have a cannon on the field.

If Elway cut a choir boy like Tim Tebow, the anti-Manziel, who wouldn’t be caught dead in those dens of iniquity, then what possible role could a misfit like Manziel fill in Denver? (I know, Tebow was traded, not cut. Same difference.)

Maybe they, like us, just want to be around something famous or dangerous for a while. Even by the obscene standards of wealth and fame a football player already enjoys, Johnny Manziel — or Johnny Football — brings a new, distorted quality to the whole thing, like Ralph Steadman’s art on the pages of a Hunter Thompson book. No matter how grotesque the celebrity life gets, there’s always someone more famous. Or infamous.

Sadly, Johnny Manziel thinks he’s using us to feed his epic appetite, but it’s really the other way around.
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bah007 said:
Well, if you want to lump him into some kind of group with those people then it has absolutely nothing to do with what he has done. It is entirely about what he has not done.
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This is where we agree, with a HC like Pettine, JM had no chance of succeeding. As somebody (I think it was XTR) earlier JM would rather burnout than put in the work and find out that he just wasn't good enough.

Funny thing is this threads 1841 posts kinda prove the article CND posted above.
 
thunderkyss said:
I hate him so much, not only will I keep up with this thread, but I'll click dozens of links a day until I find something worthy enough to share & contribute.
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Why do you hate a man for living life the way he sees fit?

The way I see it is playing in the NFL doesn't mean much to JM, so be it.
 
I don't think that Johnny is seeking attention, otherwise he wouldn't have gone to so much trouble to disguise himself when out partying. The media feeds off of this stuff, and keeps his business in the news or stirring the pot. I wish Johnny well and that he will be able to sow his wild oats without permanent damage. If football is something he genuinely wants to do, I hope he will be able to pursue while he still can, but if his desire is a different direction, then it's his to pursue and accept.

I hope his present lifestyle doesn't leave lasting affects that he can't overcome, as well as not putting others at risk, e.g., driving under the influence. It would have been nice for me to see him take his previous football talent to the next level, but obviously, it isn't an immediate goal for him.
 
thunderkyss said:
Again, I think I watch as much NFLNetwork as the next guy, espin too... I don't think I've seen a Manziel story as often as y'all are portraying.

But whatever.

& the thing about him being stupid... like I said, this kid has options & the NFL doesn't appear at the top of his list.

If a guy decided to pursue a life in the ministry, military, or public service, would we call him stupid?

We've got guys retiring after relatively short careers, are we calling them stupid,

johnny doesn't want an NFL career... so what.
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I think you misconstrue the 30-60 seconds that it takes me to type a post in this thread for me giving a crap about Manziel. I don't think about the guy other than when this thread pops up, or I hear NFLN give their TMZ update, or McClain is blathering about him on the radio (I usually just change the channel or jam some tunes at that point).

I'm a NFL football news junkie. I could not care any less about other sports. So when any NFL news comes across my radar, I listen to it. Unfortunately, that also includes updates about this loser.

I'm sure it has something to do with Manziel being an Aggie that we have to hear local sports talk blather about the guy. Just like I got bored of hearing about Vince Young, it is only a matter of time before Manziel is a nothing to the NFL and just another failed player who squandered his rare opportunities in life.

Molehills get made into mountains in this forum. But none of that means it is a real mountain in real life for most of us. For instance, CnD likes to poke fun at Manziel, but dude is a successful doctor in real life that is dealing with real issues with real people. I doubt he gives Manziel much thought beyond this thread. It's a diversion. Nothing more, nothing less. Just like the rest of us.

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So Rosenhaus terminated his contract with JM. Said he's reconsider if he gets treatment.

If Johnny doesn't take a look in the mirror at this point then it's going to get really ugly at rock bottom.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
So Rosenhaus terminated his contract with JM. Said he's reconsider if he gets treatment.

If Johnny doesn't take a look in the mirror at this point then it's going to get really ugly at rock bottom.
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He only has 5 days to find that mirror before Rosenhaus makes it a permanent decision. Interesting to note that in 27 years as an NFL agent, he has never fired a player.
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Manziel told TMZ last week that he had been out in West Hollywood five to six nights in a row and said he doesn't think NFL teams have a problem with his partying.

"I don't think there's anything wrong with partying, bro," Manziel said to TMZ. "There's a difference between partying and being out of control."
 
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