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The Johnny "Football" Manziel NFL thread
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Yep, this and now the NFL is a brand more than ever. Players are now commodities representing a global, multi-billion dollar entertainment brand, which is why the NFL commish is such a hard ass about "protecting the shield" (i.e. protecting the commercial brand so revenue streams are not threatened).
It's much more about marketing and maximizing profit than it is protecting players from themselves or whatever other excuses are put out there. Manziel's popularity is fodder to be sensationalized, so he's now starting to swing at the end of the rope that he used to act like a showboat-cowboy with in the past. This would not be news and nobody would care if some scrub was doing the same thing.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Depends - would they have continued their stupid behavior? Not the drinking/partying but the poor decisions on venue and companions.
Face reality here, tons of the NFL drinks/parties and it doesn't get reported because they choose where to do it and who with carefully. AJ and a group of Texans went/goes out partying once a week. Nary a peep or video. They pick a bar and the bouncers keep troublemakers and cameras away from them. JFF wants to throw himself into the Austin coeds and be treated like a god. This is on him, not social media.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
I can't buy that there are no longer any professional athletes (besides Johnny of course) who aren't participating in that type of behavior. They may be smarter about it, and they may be more private about it, but I seriously doubt that the presence of social media has turned all of the Stablers & Pastorinis of the world into choirboys. To say Johnny's situation is only different because of social media is simply being a Johnny apologist.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
As dumb as some of those players were back then, I suspect that most would have been smart enough not to continuously self-incriminate themselves with selfies. Even in a state of partial consciousness, self-preservation tends to tether full-blown dumb-assery.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
At some point in time a hardcore alcoholic doesn't care what he drinks...........as long as it's alcohol......and available.......
I'm far from a JM apologist, if you cant realize the impact of social media then this discussion is a moot point.
I'm far from a JM apologist, if you cant realize the impact of social media then this discussion is a moot point.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'm old enough to remember when drunk driving and drunks in general were considered funny and not a menace. Those guys fit that time better.
I'm glad the perils of drinking are more widely accepted today, but changes must come from within (change of heart) rather than compelled from without (new laws) or it foments rebellion. I think JF is a rebel at this point.
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What they are emphasizing (and you keep ignoring) is that Manziel doesn't shun the videos, he invites them. That's the difference. He could control who he parties with and take steps to keep the quasi-paparazzi away.
But he doesn't. He embraces them.
Is embracing them affecting his on field performance? His play seems to be improving and that's all that should matter. BTW, I didn't want the Texans to draft JM and thought he would be a bust. JM has actually played much better than I expected him too.
It's obviously affecting his ability to see the field...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Was that because they kept falling off their horses?
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Damn that Shiite made me laugh
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Fred
Veteran
There are more than 1600 players in the NFL. JFF is severely impacted by social media, although the other 1695 are not impacted at all. Got it.
Or he's a drunk midget.
Fred
Veteran
The first time I saw the movie "Arthur" (Dudley Moore) it was hilarious. Saw it again a few years ago, it was sad and pathetic.
Hell they made driving cases/kits to make martinis and simple mixed drinks.
Ahhh!!!!
Those were the days
<Frantically searches Amazon for one of these cases>Hell they made driving cases/kits to make martinis and simple mixed drinks.
badboy
Hall of Fame
ESPN trailer says Manziel being checked for possible concussion with no timing for when it occurred
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14466350/johnny-manziel-cleveland-browns-concussion-symptoms
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I'm old enough to remember when drunk driving and drunks in general were considered funny and not a menace. Those guys fit that time better.
In my day, it was called a hangover.
Naaah.... remember this?
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
It that an upside down promo for The Incredibles 2?Naaah.... remember this?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Browns have found a way to "punish" JFF for his last indiscretion..........without making it obvious he is being punished............they've placed in in the Concussion Protocol..............
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I've not ever understood why there has not been more emphasis on this relationship. This is only one study that connects the dots.........dots that would be very relevant to NFL players especially. Although this is a teen study, a similar relationship has been demonstrated in adults.
And this is what you can expect if you drink after sustaining a concussion (a TBI [traumatic brain injury]).
Alcohol Use After Traumatic Brain Injury
Based on Research by TBI Model Systems
Alcohol use and TBI are closely related. Up to two-thirds of people with TBI have a history of alcohol abuse or risky drinking. Between 30-50% of people with TBI were injured while they were drunk and about one-third were under the influence of other drugs. Around half of those who have a TBI cut down on their drinking or stop altogether after injury, but some people with TBI continue to drink heavily, which increases their risk of having negative outcomes.
After TBI, many people notice their brains are more sensitive to alcohol. Drinking increases your chances of getting injured again, makes cognitive (thinking) problems worse, and increases your chances of having emotional problems such as depression. In addition, drinking can reduce brain injury recovery. For these reasons, staying away from alcohol is strongly recommended to avoid further injury to the brain and to promote as much healing as possible.
Facts about TBI and alcohol
Alcohol and brain injury recovery
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- Recovery from brain injury continues for much longer than we used to think possible. Many people notice improvements for many years after injury.
- Alcohol slows down or stops brain injury recovery.
- Not drinking is one way to give the brain the best chance to heal.
- People's lives often continue to improve many years after brain injury. Not drinking will increase the chance of improvement.
Alcohol, brain injury and seizures
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- Traumatic brain injury puts survivors at risk for developing seizures (epilepsy).
- Alcohol lowers the seizure threshold and may trigger seizures.
- Not drinking can reduce the risk of developing seizures.
Alcohol and the risk of having another brain injury
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- After a brain injury, survivors are at higher risk (3 to 8 times higher) of having another brain injury.
- Drinking alcohol puts survivors at an even higher risk of having a second brain injury. This may be because both brain injury and alcohol can affect coordination and balance.
- Not drinking can reduce the risk of having another brain injury.
Alcohol and mental functioning
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- Alcohol and brain injury have similar negative effects on mental abilities like memory and thinking flexibility.
- Alcohol magnifies some of the cognitive problems caused by brain injury.
- Alcohol may affect brain injury survivors more than it did before their injury.
- The negative mental effects of alcohol can last from days to weeks after drinking stops.
- Not drinking is one way to keep your mental abilities at their best and stay sharp and focused.
Alcohol and mood
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- Depression is about 8 times more common in the first year after TBI than in the general population.
- Alcohol is a "depressant" drug, and using alcohol can cause or worsen depression.
- Alcohol can reduce the effectiveness of anti-depressant medications. People who are taking antidepressants should not drink alcohol.
- One way to improve problems with sadness or depression after TBI is to stop or cut down on the use of alcohol.
Alcohol and sexuality
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- Lowered desire is the most common effect of TBI on sexuality.
- Alcohol reduces testosterone production in males.
- Alcohol reduces sexual performance (erection and ejaculation) in men.
- Alcohol reduces sexual satisfaction in men and women.
- Avoiding alcohol improves sexual ability and activity in men and women.
How much alcohol is "safe" after TBI?
After TBI the brain is more sensitive to alcohol. This means that even one or two drinks may not be safe, especially when you need to do things that require balance, coordination and quick reactions, such as walking on uneven surfaces, riding a bicycle or driving a car. The fact is, there is no safe level of alcohol use after TBI.
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chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
damn I was really hoping the Browns would give manziel another shot next season. Instead that's another team ahead of us in the draft that will probably go after a QB. Damn.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
OK....I know it's Florio. But at least someone else gets the feeling that "out with a concussion" scenario in light of Manziel's recurrent drinking video antics, and their potential consequences may not solely be coincidental........and may have been contrived in order to avoid an inevitable likely public confrontation.
The curious timing of Manziel’s concussion
Posted by Mike Florio on December 31, 2015, 11:16 AM EST
On Monday, Browns coach Mike Pettine, who previously said that “harsh repercussions” would flow from any further Johnny Manziel incident, told reporters that: (1) he hadn’t seen Manziel’s latest party-boy video; and (2) Pettine planned to watch the video and talk to Manziel about it. On Wednesday, when Manziel showed up for work, he reported that he has concussion-like symptoms from three days earlier — before Pettine could meet with Manziel about the video.
It doesn’t take a non-concussed brain to realize that the easiest way for a 23-year-old with a history of off-field issues and no self-awareness to avoid getting in trouble at work (again) would be to claim that he has headaches and/or other symptoms of a concussion. Everyone associated with the NFL is currently petrified of letting a player take the field with a head injury. Given the lack of a thermometer-in-the-orifice style test for diagnosing a concussion, the Browns physicians weren’t about to dispute Manziel’s claims.
So Manziel avoids “harsh repercussions” from Pettine, who possibly won’t be employed by the Browns this time next week. Manziel also avoids the risk of a Week 17 injury as he enters an offseason that could see him traded to a new team, possibly the one in his Lone Star home state with an owner who continues to have a clear interest in acquiring him.
Officially, Maziel legitimately has a concussion. Given the importance of the issue, I hesitate to even suggest that he’s possibly manipulating the system. But that’s the potential genius of faking it; it’s a silver-bullet excuse that no one will be willing to question.
Given some of the decisions Manziel has made — and the lengths to which he has gone to take the sting out of those decisions (including reportedly recruiting others to lie about the timing of the creation of the bye-week video that got him on double-secret probation with Pettine) — Manziel fits the profile of a guy who at least would be tempted to take advantagage of the league’s concussion sensitivity to avoid a tough meeting with his boss, and possibly a suspension for conduct detrimental to the team.
From Cleveland’s perspective, putting Manziel on ice for the final week of the season avoids the question of whether action should be taken in response to his latest party-boy video. Which avoids the kind of outcome that would result in his trade value declining as the offseason approaches.
Besides, there’s nothing the Browns can do for now, even if they suspect that he’s trying to avoid accountability for the latest defiance of his employer. After the season, they can do plenty. Trading Manziel to the Cowboys could be the option at the top of the list.
The curious timing of Manziel’s concussion
Posted by Mike Florio on December 31, 2015, 11:16 AM EST
On Monday, Browns coach Mike Pettine, who previously said that “harsh repercussions” would flow from any further Johnny Manziel incident, told reporters that: (1) he hadn’t seen Manziel’s latest party-boy video; and (2) Pettine planned to watch the video and talk to Manziel about it. On Wednesday, when Manziel showed up for work, he reported that he has concussion-like symptoms from three days earlier — before Pettine could meet with Manziel about the video.
It doesn’t take a non-concussed brain to realize that the easiest way for a 23-year-old with a history of off-field issues and no self-awareness to avoid getting in trouble at work (again) would be to claim that he has headaches and/or other symptoms of a concussion. Everyone associated with the NFL is currently petrified of letting a player take the field with a head injury. Given the lack of a thermometer-in-the-orifice style test for diagnosing a concussion, the Browns physicians weren’t about to dispute Manziel’s claims.
So Manziel avoids “harsh repercussions” from Pettine, who possibly won’t be employed by the Browns this time next week. Manziel also avoids the risk of a Week 17 injury as he enters an offseason that could see him traded to a new team, possibly the one in his Lone Star home state with an owner who continues to have a clear interest in acquiring him.
Officially, Maziel legitimately has a concussion. Given the importance of the issue, I hesitate to even suggest that he’s possibly manipulating the system. But that’s the potential genius of faking it; it’s a silver-bullet excuse that no one will be willing to question.
Given some of the decisions Manziel has made — and the lengths to which he has gone to take the sting out of those decisions (including reportedly recruiting others to lie about the timing of the creation of the bye-week video that got him on double-secret probation with Pettine) — Manziel fits the profile of a guy who at least would be tempted to take advantagage of the league’s concussion sensitivity to avoid a tough meeting with his boss, and possibly a suspension for conduct detrimental to the team.
From Cleveland’s perspective, putting Manziel on ice for the final week of the season avoids the question of whether action should be taken in response to his latest party-boy video. Which avoids the kind of outcome that would result in his trade value declining as the offseason approaches.
Besides, there’s nothing the Browns can do for now, even if they suspect that he’s trying to avoid accountability for the latest defiance of his employer. After the season, they can do plenty. Trading Manziel to the Cowboys could be the option at the top of the list.
Nobody likes John Manziel. We want JFF.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
JFF is all NCAA not NFL
Jones will look for bargains and I don't doubt Johnny would be one of his projects. Pick him up for next to nothing, then lace the contract with lots of incentives to earn an attractive salary. Then it's up to Johnny to earn his way into an above average player or even a star, but if he doesn't cut it, Jerry hasn't lost much.
I wonder if those folks up in Tyler, Texas that placed billboard space claiming to be former Cowboys fans that are now Browns fans are still bold and proud of their loyalty to Johnny. I've got to ask some of my relatives who travel to Tyler frequently if the billboard is still the same.
My thinking is that if he trades for Manziel then he won't be drafting a QB in the first round... better odds that one falls to the Texans. I really wasn't taking a shot at the Cowboys... this time
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The problem with that statement is that Jerry the narcissist will tend to hang on to his self-inflicted failed situations.............by the time JFF proves to Jerry to be what most people have already concluded.............a poor choice for an NFL QB...........more specifically, a poor choice of a human being.............another season will have gone down the dumpster.
TexasCowboy
Straight Talker
Not necessarily Jerruh can still use his low rd pick to get a QB while looking for a potential trade
for a decent backup..Stafford maybe 1 option, Kaepernick is another, Stephen IF he is in charge
of the personal as many have suggested he is! won't allow himself to get bullied into taking Johnny
foosball just because daddy has a hard on for losers who no matter what team you put him on he's
never going to win
several seasons down the dumpster and this is why Stephen will intervene and stop his madness before he is allowed
to do something stupid
I don't think Jerry is going to pay much for Johnny Football, otherwise he would have taken him at the 16th pick when he drafted Zack Martin instead. IIRC it started with Quincey Carter, and what Jerry knew internally he didn't share, helped him through rehab, made him co-host the Gospel concert during the Super Bowl in Houston, and was on a short leash. When he committed an infraction he was gone before training camp ended -- his starting quarterback. Then followed with Adam Packman Jones. Thank goodness he got his life together, but unfortunately it didn't happen on Jerry's watch. He knew something in vetting for not selecting Johnny when he was the obvious choice. Of late, Jerry has taken chances on troubled players but didn't hang on when the behavior didn't change. Latest Joseph Randall, nope Jerry will give a chance, but he isn't going to put up with foolishness very long.
I'm curious how Jerry is going on the more than likely 4th draft pick and if he will go after one of the two top quarterbacks, a top defense pick or trade for multiple picks. I think it's going to be interesting. I know most here don't share my sentiments, but I find if anything Jerry is interesting and you can only guess what he is up to in his business dealings. Who knew he was wining and dining the Collins family before the big announcement?
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Matt Stafford as a backup ?
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And then tried to cover it up posting a photo with the location in Ohio. Moron.
Does he really need football? Johnny should just get a reality show and get on with his life as a celebrity.