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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread

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I even picked up Derrick Ward in fantasy football before the Monday night game because I assumed, since the Colts couldn't stop the run, that the Texans would keep running it with Foster and Ward. I guess I'm smarter than Kubiak. ;)
 
DexmanC said:
Do we stay glued to Kubiak because he was our "first?"
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I think 5 years is enough to see if Kubiak can do what we want him to.

Some people think 5 years is way too long to still be in doubt.

We are in year 5 now, nothings going to change that. Kubiak is here now, nothings going to change that either.

If we don't have a strong showing in the post season, I have no problem letting him go... in fact, I'll be wanting him gone.

Right now, things are looking as if you guys were right, & we should have parted ways last year.

But the season isn't over yet.
 
Rey said:
Lots of people didn't know how to have sex before they lost their virginity. Doesn't mean you stay with that person for ever. Doesn't mean that person is the best person for you. Doesn't even mean that person will be your best lover.

Kubiak has improved the team...no dispute from me on that...

But that doesn't mean he is the coach to take us to that next level. Every year it's looking less likely that he will get us to the level that we want to be at.
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Never said any different.
 
DexmanC said:
Football careers are SHORT, compared to ANY of the other professional
sports. Why handcuff these players to a mediocre coach for their
entire career? Don't they deserve an opportunity to win before their
careers are ended? FIVE SEASONS is more than HALF of a football player's
career IF HE'S LUCKY.
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How many players have been ruined because of too many, too frequent coaching changes in Detroit, Arizona, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc... How many players have been ruined in San Francisco the last 12 years??

I know some of those franchises have had success recently, but in their history, I think they have been in constant mediocrity because they changed coaches too frequently, never allowing anyone to build a winning tradition.

I think any coach could have taken this team to a strong post season this season. But I'm not so confident any coach could keep it going. I think Kubiak can.

I may be wrong, we'll find out.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think any coach could have taken this team to a strong post season this season. But I'm not so confident any coach could keep it going. I think Kubiak can.

I may be wrong, we'll find out.
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What can Kubiak keep going? Mediocrity? Because he surely hasn't gotten us to the playoffs.
 
Double Barrel said:
I heard an interesting stat on the radio this morning. Only three current coaches in the NFL that have two or more years experience have losing records: Norv Turner, Marvin Lewis, and Gary Kubiak. Only one of them have never been the playoffs.
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Mangini, Chan Gailey both under .500. Cable and Singeltary too (the two years includes their interim time).
 
thunderkyss said:
Right now, things are looking as if you guys were right, & we should have parted ways last year.

But the season isn't over yet.
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Personally, I'm not in the group that wanted him gone last year.

I thought Kubiak had this team on the right track. I thought that this would be the off-season that we would see a noticeable difference in how this team plays.

I was wrong. The talent has gotten better, but they still play weak. They are still making the same mistakes. They still look over matched too often.

I hope Kubiak does well this season, but if he doesn't I definitely want him gone. It's just getting tiresome.
 
thunderkyss said:
How many players have been ruined because of too many, too frequent coaching changes in Detroit, Arizona, Tampa Bay, St. Louis, New Orleans, etc...
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It's not the coaching changes, but the coaching selections (and the team management) that have set these franchises back.
 
Rey said:
Personally, I'm not in the group that wanted him gone last year.

I thought Kubiak had this team on the right track. I thought that this would be the off-season that we would see a noticeable difference in how this team plays.

I was wrong. The talent has gotten better, but they still play weak. They are still making the same mistakes. They still look over matched too often.

I hope Kubiak does well this season, but if he doesn't I definitely want him gone. It's just getting tiresome.
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I was all Kubiak-Kool-Aid until the MNF game against the Titans last year.
From that point forward, I began to closely and objectively scrutinize
everything he's done with this team.

I saw a lot of things that
looked like progress (2 non-losing seasons, and a 9-7 record; the
best passing attack in the NFL; two NFL DROY's; 3 Probowlers in one
draft (2006.)

However, I started to notice WHO we would lose to. It was ALWAYS
playoff-bound teams who looked to beat the snot out of anybody in
their way (8-22 against winning teams; 8-18 against the AFC South.)

WE were NEVER such a team. This trend continued through
the rest of 2009, and to my disappointment, has been the ENTIRE STORY
for the 2010 season.

Kubiak should spare us all, and resign at the end of the year. It's 2010,
and I'm STILL hearing him utter the phrase: "It's really hard to win in this
league." He's even got his PLAYERS SAYING IT.

Leader of men? That's not Kubiak.
 
spurstexanstros said:
so last time the soapers got what they wanted and richard smith was fired and now the defense is worse off....the same soapers now want Kubiak gone for what a chance(thats it a chance) to aim for Cowher when more than likely get a dennis green type...


Kubiak has improved this team every year he has been here and you want to get rid of him...the logic of some on this board escapes me.
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Are you that much of a dumbass?? Really?? These Kubiak haters are the know all, be all of football... Bow down before the one you serve. :gun: Asshat!
 
Lucky said:
It's not the coaching changes, but the coaching selections (and the team management) that have set these franchises back.
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None of our damn players are being ruined, if that's the case.

Hell, some of these players have had Kubiak as a coach longer than some kids in this world have had a dad or a mom...or both.

There's always a reason why someone failed, and it seems some people think it's never the failed person's fault. Nope. Someone or something else was the culprit.

I hate the "victim mentality." Don't go projecting that on people. A failed coach fails because he failed. And a failed player fails because he failed. And failed coaches and failed players are the ones who create 1-15 or 2-14 seasons. They're like gasoline and matches together.

This is so freaking simple to me. Gurry Kubiak is a failed head coach. I am as comfortable saying it now as I was way back in Schaub's first season here (check my post records if you doubt I'm saying I was off the Kubiak wagon that far back). A few bright spots swayed me out of my doubt, and here I am--again--finding my way back to my original position from so many years ago.

I think I'm sticking with the soap until the guy is gone, even if it's not this year that he gets canned. He'll get one more season. Again. It's how McNair rolls. He wants to make things work. He's the guy who waits 5 seconds after the light turns green, holding up traffic and keeping you from making the light. Honk! Honk! The light is green, you doofus. I'd like to NOT sit and wait another 4 minutes please.

Then, when you finally get through the light and you catch up to Bob because his lack of action with the accelerator made you miss the light the first time, there's Bob who's got his hands at 10-and-2, smiling like a jackwagon, and oblivious that anybody else is on the road with him. And for a split-second, you WANT to ram his car...but you remember all those library fines you haven't paid yet, so you figure it isn't worth it.

Instead, you follow him home to see where he leaves. And later that night you go and defecate on the windshield of his car. Problem solved. Small variation on this plan is if you would rather poop on his windshield, slap on some rubber gloves, and fingerpaint the sentence "Thanks for nothing, Bob!"
 
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GP said:
None of our damn players are being ruined, if that's the case.

Hell, some of these players have had Kubiak as a coach longer than some kids in this world have had a dad or a mom...or both.

There's always a reason why someone failed, and it seems some people think it's never the failed person's fault. Nope. Someone or something else was the culprit.

I hate the "victim mentality." Don't go projecting that on people. A failed coach fails because he failed. And a failed player fails because he failed. And failed coaches and failed players are the ones who create 1-15 or 2-14 seasons. They're like gasoline and matches together.

This is so freaking simple to me. Gurry Kubiak is a failed head coach. I am as comfortable saying it now as I was way back in Schaub's first season here (check my post records if you doubt I'm saying I was off the Kubiak wagon that far back). A few bright spots swayed me out of my doubt, and here I am--again--finding my way back to my original position from so many years ago.

I think I'm sticking with the soap until the guy is gone, even if it's not this year that he gets canned. He'll get one more season. Again. It's how McNair rolls. He wants to make things work. He's the guy who waits 5 seconds after the light turns green, holding up traffic and keeping you from making the light. Honk! Honk! The light is green, you doofus. I'd like to NOT sit and wait another 4 minutes please.

Then, when you finally get through the light and you catch up to Bob because his lack of action with the accelerator made you miss the light the first time, there's Bob who's got his hands at 10-and-2, smiling like a jackwagon, and oblivious that anybody else is on the road with him. And for a split-second, you WANT to ram his car...but you remember all those library fines you haven't paid yet, so you figure it isn't worth it.

Instead, you follow him home to see where he leaves. And later that night you go and defecate on the windshield of his car. Problem solved. Small variation on this plan is if you would rather poop on his windshield, slap on some rubber gloves, and fingerpaint the sentence "Thanks for nothing, Bob!"
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This must be a universal experience...and yes I understand the frustration with BOB
 
GP said:
I think I'm sticking with the soap until the guy is gone, even if it's not this year that he gets canned. He'll get one more season. Again. It's how McNair rolls. He wants to make things work. He's the guy who waits 5 seconds after the light turns green, holding up traffic and keeping you from making the light. Honk! Honk! The light is green, you doofus. I'd like to NOT sit and wait another 4 minutes please.
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Or, we can jump on the Head Coach Super Highway & swap them out every 2 or 3 years until we find one who can win big with someone else's players in their systems (both offense & defense).

Gary Moeller 2000
Marty Mornhingweg 2001-2002
Steve Mariucci 2003-2005
Dick Jauron 2005
Rod Marenelli 2006-2008
Jim Shwartz 2009-present


Dennis Erickson 2003-2004
Mike Nolan 2005-2008
Mike Singeltary 2008- present


Greg Williams 2001-2003
Mike Mularky 2004-2005
Dick Jauron 2006-2009
Perry Fewell 2009
Chan Gailey present


If you were a head coach, & you wanted to take a job where you will win immediately or as soon as possible, which job would you take? The Detroit Lions, the SF 49ers, the Buffalo Bills, or the Houston Texans?

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thunderkyss said:
Or, we can jump on the Head Coach Super Highway & swap them out every 2 or 3 years until we find one who can win big with someone else's players in their systems (both offense & defense).

Gary Moeller 2000
Marty Mornhingweg 2001-2002
Steve Mariucci 2003-2005
Dick Jauron 2005
Rod Marenelli 2006-2008
Jim Shwartz 2009-present


Dennis Erickson 2003-2004
Mike Nolan 2005-2008
Mike Singeltary 2008- present


Greg Williams 2001-2003
Mike Mularky 2004-2005
Dick Jauron 2006-2009
Perry Fewell 2009
Chan Gailey present


If you were a head coach, & you wanted to take a job where you will win immediately or as soon as possible, which job would you take? The Detroit Lions, the SF 49ers, the Buffalo Bills, or the Houston Texans?

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The thing is, it's not like we have only two options:
A) stick with the coach we have for 30 years and hope he eventually gets good enough to win or
B) go thru a whole string of bad coaches every two years and never get better.

there is that third option that at the end of the season, this team takes a little time and tries to go after a HC and staff that have experience and could work with what we have as far as talent goes now.
 
GNTLEWOLF said:
The thing is, it's not like we have only two options:
A) stick with the coach we have for 30 years and hope he eventually gets good enough to win or
B) go thru a whole string of bad coaches every two years and never get better.

there is that third option that at the end of the season, this team takes a little time and tries to go after a HC and staff that have experience and could work with what we have as far as talent goes now.
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That's not the point. Anything less than a strong play-off showing, I want Kubiak out of here.

The point is of the 4 teams I've mentioned, the ones with less coaching changes are closer to being true contenders (IMO). I believe that is because the stability allowed a base to be built.

Sooner or later, a good coach is going to build a team that anyone should be able to have success with. That's how you get your Eric Mangini's, genius one year, dud the next.

This team is at that point right now. Any competent coach should be able to take our present team deep into the play-offs.

Kubiak's got 9 games to prove that he is one of those competent coaches.... I think he is.

We'll find out.

Of course, if we're 11-5 or 12-4 & some how miss the play-offs, I'm not going to hold that against him. However if someone like DexmanC can figure out the scenarios that would keep Kubiak out at 10-6, Kubiak should as well, and coach accordingly.
 
GNTLEWOLF said:
The thing is, it's not like we have only two options:
A) stick with the coach we have for 30 years and hope he eventually gets good enough to win or
B) go thru a whole string of bad coaches every two years and never get better.

there is that third option that at the end of the season, this team takes a little time and tries to go after a HC and staff that have experience and could work with what we have as far as talent goes now.
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I don't know about you but option B scares the bejeezus out of me.
 
GP said:
None of our damn players are being ruined, if that's the case.

Hell, some of these players have had Kubiak as a coach longer than some kids in this world have had a dad or a mom...or both.

There's always a reason why someone failed, and it seems some people think it's never the failed person's fault. Nope. Someone or something else was the culprit.

I hate the "victim mentality." Don't go projecting that on people. A failed coach fails because he failed. And a failed player fails because he failed. And failed coaches and failed players are the ones who create 1-15 or 2-14 seasons. They're like gasoline and matches together.

This is so freaking simple to me. Gurry Kubiak is a failed head coach. I am as comfortable saying it now as I was way back in Schaub's first season here (check my post records if you doubt I'm saying I was off the Kubiak wagon that far back). A few bright spots swayed me out of my doubt, and here I am--again--finding my way back to my original position from so many years ago.

I think I'm sticking with the soap until the guy is gone, even if it's not this year that he gets canned. He'll get one more season. Again. It's how McNair rolls. He wants to make things work. He's the guy who waits 5 seconds after the light turns green, holding up traffic and keeping you from making the light. Honk! Honk! The light is green, you doofus. I'd like to NOT sit and wait another 4 minutes please.

Then, when you finally get through the light and you catch up to Bob because his lack of action with the accelerator made you miss the light the first time, there's Bob who's got his hands at 10-and-2, smiling like a jackwagon, and oblivious that anybody else is on the road with him. And for a split-second, you WANT to ram his car...but you remember all those library fines you haven't paid yet, so you figure it isn't worth it.

Instead, you follow him home to see where he leaves. And later that night you go and defecate on the windshield of his car. Problem solved. Small variation on this plan is if you would rather poop on his windshield, slap on some rubber gloves, and fingerpaint the sentence "Thanks for nothing, Bob!"
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that's got to be the sickest thing I've read in this forum.
[steps far away from GP]
 
ObsiWan said:
that's got to be the sickest thing I've read in this forum.
[steps far away from GP]
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I seriously wonder if you'll ever own up after all the nit picking people's posts you've done over the years after blindly supporting Kubiak if he goes a 5th season where he fails to make this team a true winner again in season 5.
 
thunderkyss said:
Or, we can jump on the Head Coach Super Highway & swap them out every 2 or 3 years until we find one who can win big with someone else's players in their systems (both offense & defense).

Gary Moeller 2000
Marty Mornhingweg 2001-2002
Steve Mariucci 2003-2005
Dick Jauron 2005
Rod Marenelli 2006-2008
Jim Shwartz 2009-present


Dennis Erickson 2003-2004
Mike Nolan 2005-2008
Mike Singeltary 2008- present


Greg Williams 2001-2003
Mike Mularky 2004-2005
Dick Jauron 2006-2009
Perry Fewell 2009
Chan Gailey present


If you were a head coach, & you wanted to take a job where you will win immediately or as soon as possible, which job would you take? The Detroit Lions, the SF 49ers, the Buffalo Bills, or the Houston Texans?

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In no way do I want our team to have a track record like that!

But, I think your post has a really valuable lesson in though. What I see there is teams realizing that it doesn't take 5+ years to be able to tell if a guy is a good head coach. The teams on that list hired those coaches, and it didn't take them long to realize that they weren't gonna cut it. I don't think anyone of those coaches on that list were (are) going to turn things around if they just had more time. It's not like any of them were fired prematurely and then went on to be successful anywhere else. Than maybe you could say they needed more time.

Hell, Tony Dungy had strong teams in TB every year, but couldn't get over the hump. They won their SB after they fired him.


(TK, I'm not directing this post at you. I'm just pointing out the story that jumped out at me in your post)
 
Texecutioner said:
I seriously wonder if you'll ever own up after all the nit picking people's posts you've done over the years after blindly supporting Kubiak if he goes a 5th season where he fails to make this team a true winner again in season 5.
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The same day you take down that Cowher signature.
:D
 
thunderkyss said:
If you were a head coach, & you wanted to take a job where you will win immediately or as soon as possible, which job would you take? The Detroit Lions, the SF 49ers, the Buffalo Bills, or the Houston Texans?

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hmmm...

1. Detroit Lions
2. Houston Texans
3. SF 49ers
4. Buffalo Bills.

And it's kind of a toss up between the Texans and the Lions from a young talent perspective. But the Lions' division isn't as tough as ours (Indy + Tenn. + Jags > GB + Minn + Chicago, IMHO) is so I'd go to Detroit first if I was looking to be an instant success. SF isn't in too tough a division either, but I think they need to find solid QB and a decent offensive coordinator to go with him. It would be tough to fill both those holes right away.
 
RTP2110 said:
In no way do I want our team to have a track record like that!

But, I think your post has a really valuable lesson in though. What I see there is teams realizing that it doesn't take 5+ years to be able to tell if a guy is a good head coach. The teams on that list hired those coaches, and it didn't take them long to realize that they weren't gonna cut it. I don't think anyone of those coaches on that list were (are) going to turn things around if they just had more time. It's not like any of them were fired prematurely and then went on to be successful anywhere else. Than maybe you could say they needed more time.

Hell, Tony Dungy had strong teams in TB every year, but couldn't get over the hump. They won their SB after they fired him.


(TK, I'm not directing this post at you. I'm just pointing out the story that jumped out at me in your post)
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I think Mike Nolan would make a good head coach. I don't think he had enough time. I liked what he was doing in San Fran, he was finally putting a team together, and they pulled the rope.

I like Singletary, but what they are going through now, shows you it's going to take a little more than a good speach, right now. They are still young, making young mistakes, but everyone's got them thinking they are a vet team, bonafide play-off contenders... & it's just too early for them.

Maybe if Nolan was still there. Actually, Nolan & Martz. I'd give Nolan another opportunity in a heartbeat, if I were in team building mode.
 
Win of lose, I'll be sporting pink soap after this game.

Kubiak is a bigger clown than Capers and Casserly combined....a complete dumbass.
 
I cant take it anymore! Nothing will be done, the Houston media will be all up in Kubiaks ass defending him and Kubiak will say its all on him.
 
DX-TEX said:
I cant take it anymore! Nothing will be done, the Houston media will be all up in Kubiaks ass defending him and Kubiak will say its all on him.
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I just can't put this loss on him. We all know what the defense is. Kubiak didn't make the refs call that horrible grounding call on Schuab and he didn't make Johnson bounce the ball off his knee and to the defender. We were in the game but just couldn't get the ball bouncing our way.

It's terribly obvious that K Jackson is a severe liability.
 
Remember when Detroit fans would chant FIREEE MILLENNNN! (clap, clap,...clapclapclap) FIREEE MILLENNNN!! (clap, clap,...clapclapclap)

We need to do that to Kubiak
 
while i do agree that its about that time to move on, if we fire him tomorrow, as some people want, who takes over?
 
Stemp said:
I just can't put this loss on him. We all know what the defense is. Kubiak didn't make the refs call that horrible grounding call on Schuab and he didn't make Johnson bounce the ball off his knee and to the defender. We were in the game but just couldn't get the ball bouncing our way.

It's terribly obvious that K Jackson is a severe liability.
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BS. Utter BS.


Why did we stop running the damn ball the nd half? Why were we in a hurry up offense with around 4 minutes on the clock? Why did we do a QB sneak when Foster has been decimating this defense?

There is no defensing Kubiak. If you are defending him you need to really rethink your position because you are flat out incorrect.
 
arb729 said:
while i do agree that its about that time to move on, if we fire him tomorrow, as some people want, who takes over?
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No one expects a mid-season coaching change. Those are pretty rare nowadays. Even if they were to fire him, they'd have to promote one of the losers that's already on the staff.
 
DX-TEX said:
BS. Utter BS.


Why did we stop running the damn ball the nd half? Why were we in a hurry up offense with around 4 minutes on the clock? Why did we do a QB sneak when Foster has been decimating this defense?

There is no defensing Kubiak. If you are defending him you need to really rethink your position because you are flat out incorrect.
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It's amazing that the season is barely half done, we're not out of contention, we still have 4 division games to play and the fans are giving up on the season and calling for the coach to be immediately fired.
:mariopalm:
 
Stemp said:
It's amazing that the season is barely half done, we're not out of contention, we still have 4 division games to play and the fans are giving up on the season and calling for the coach to be immediately fired.
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There aren't that many folks calling for Kubiak to be fired mid-season. Most of us are simply expressing our complete and total lack of faith in the job he's doing and expect him to be fired after the season.
 
Yeah, the season is barely half done! We can totally come back and go 6-2 and maybe make the playoffs, but probably not, with a 10-6 record!

Too bad idiots want Kubiak to be fired today, why don't they just agree to wait till the end of the season? IDIOTS!
 
Stemp said:
It's amazing that the season is barely half done, we're not out of contention, we still have 4 division games to play and the fans are giving up on the season and calling for the coach to be immediately fired.
:mariopalm:
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LMAO. Yeah, because we've seen sooo many signs that Stupiak the conductor can turn this terd train around... I mean it's not like Stupiak has ever underachieved before right?

:kubepalm:
 
wagonhed said:
Yeah, the season is barely half done! We can totally come back and go 6-2 and maybe make the playoffs, but probably not, with a 10-6 record!

Too bad idiots want Kubiak to be fired today, why don't they just agree to wait till the end of the season? IDIOTS!
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LOL, do you honestly think people believe Kubiak would be fired mid season?

When people said he needs his ass fired immediately.....he does, it just isn't going to happen till the end of the year.

It actually wouldn't upset me if we had more games like today, it that's what it's going to take to finally purge ourselfs of that freaking loser......here's more rope Stupiak, just keep taking it. The worst case scenerio would be if "the kids" show up and win a bunch of meaningless games and save his ass again....I want off of Stupiak's terd train.
 
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