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The Actual And Real 2016 Texans' Talk Mock Draft Extravaganza

The Pencil Neck said:
Kearse was going to be one of my suggestions for us with the next pick. If we need a tie-breaker, I'll switch over to Kearse, but I do like Caroo.
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yeah let's finalize this and move on to the Texans, nobody likes the Jets anywho :D
 
bah007 said:
I'd have to rewatch to be sure but I remember T.J. Green being the one that Howard kept roasting.

And for sure, Kearse isn't as good against the run as you would think. But that's not what you draft him for IMO. He's a sub package player that comes in to play short zone or press man in passing situations.
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He toasted both of them. To be honest you could probably put that loss on the two Safeties. They allowed 3 huge plays by Howard, a long run by Henry, and Kearse is the one who blew his lane assignment on the Drake kickoff return TD.
 
WolverineFan said:
He toasted both of them. To be honest you could probably put that loss on the two Safeties. They allowed 3 huge plays by Howard, a long run by Henry, and Kearse is the one who blew his lane assignment on the Drake kickoff return TD.
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That all explains why Kearse and Green weren't options earlier in the draft, but at this point, I'm seeing a guy who has all the physical tools to do some things very few people can do. He hasn't put everything together, yet, but that doesn't mean he can't.

For us, he could take that ILB/SS hybrid spot, and work his way into the full-time SS supplanting Demps... IF things start to click for him.

At worst, he should be a monster on ST.
 
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Let's call it and open up discussion for the Texans. We'll make the Texans pick official at 9:00 am tomorrow unless we come to a consensus before then.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
That all explains why Kearse and Green weren't options earlier in the draft, but at this point, I'm seeing a guy who has all the physical tools to do some things very few people can do. He hasn't put everything together, yet, but that doesn't mean he can't.

For us, he could take that ILB/SS hybrid spot, and work his way into the full-time SS supplanting Demps... IF things start to click for him.

At worst, he should be a monster on ST.
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Agreed that he could eventually be a uniquely dangerous player with his combination of size and athleticism. Just pointing out that you're passing on better football players to draft a guy who's all potential and has put some bad film on tape.

Also, I wouldn't say he's at worst a monster on special teams. At worst, he's washed out of the league in a couple years because he didn't develop and didn't show a willingness to be just a special teams player. Not everyone with measureables automatically becomes a good special teams player. Special teams is all about will and effort.

However, with all that being said, I absolutely see the appeal in him. From a physical standpoint he's an absolute specimen and he does have good NFL bloodlines.
 
For Texans, we still haven't addressed OL and there are still some good options at Safety available.

At OL I'm looking at Joe Dahl, who is a combo OG/OT from Washington State. Lacks the length of a prototype OT so many are pegging him as an OG. However, he was the #1 pass protector in college football over the last 2 years according to PFF. At Safety, I'm still looking at Darian Thompson and KJ Dillon who I both have with 2nd/3rd round grades.
 
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WolverineFan said:
For Texans, we still haven't addressed OL and there are still some good options at Safety available.

At OL I'm looking at Joe Dahl, who is a combo OG/OT from Washington State. Lacks the length of a prototype OT so many are pegging him as an OG. However, he was the #1 pass protector in college football over the last 2 years according to PFF. At Safety, I'm still looking at Darian Thompson and KJ Dillon who I both have with 2nd/3rd round grades.
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This could be where someone makes a point of "should have taken OT in the 1st", not a deep class @ position. Center & Guard much easier to find.
 
WolverineFan said:
For Texans, we still haven't addressed OL and there are still some good options at Safety available.
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At this point in the draft I'm not necessarily looking to address needs, unless the talent pool is abnormally deep.

Instead, I'm looking for game changers. That fast guy with stone hands, that undersized LB with the high football IQ, or the tenacious run blocker who played in the triple wishbone.

Someone who has shown to be extraordinary in some way, but needs help developing into a well rounded pro.
 
With pick #118 in the 2016 Texans Talk Mock Draft, the New York Jets select:

Jayron Kearse, SS/LB Clemson

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bah007 said:
With the #117 pick the Bills select:

Keyarris Garrett - WR, Tulsa

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B.J. Goodson was set to be the pick here but Atlanta forced me to audible. Garrett is the top WR left on my board and Buffalo has a need for a secondary option to Watkins. Garrett has had an injury-riddle career but blew up his senior year and answered questions about his athleticism at the combine. He comes from a Briles system at Tulsa and is extremely raw, but he has projectable skills to the next level. It just may take a little bit of time to develop them.
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I clearly see you gave a brief writeup about him in the pick, but what else do you think of this guy? I was talking about him with a buddy of mine. Obviously I like the size with decent wheels to match, but I rarely watched him play and no little about him other than Walter / CBS / NFL Draft profile can tell me. I saw one game of his when he played UH and he wasn't even the best WR on his own team that day so I kind of never thought about him until I was combing through best available WRs for the 3 picks the Ravens get later in the rounds.

Anyways, I know I've spoken a lot now, but what do you think of him projecting to next level?
 
I'm nominating Rees Odhiambo, O-lineman, Boise State for the Texans pick here in the 4th.

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Odhiambo has an extensive medical history. Missed the 2nd half of 2015 with a broken ankle. CnD would probably have a cow if the Texans actually took him. But, I think Odhiambo may be the last lineman who could become a plus player. He played both tackle spots at Boise, and scouts feel he could translate to guard in the NFL. Rees' versatility might be a plus in the Texans eyes.

It's the middle of the 4th round, and this is where I think you ta
 
How about that Jerrell Adams being gone already. I would have loved to have a serviceable TE and he was my last one I'd be willing to draft unless you are drafting purely on a prayer and special teams play.

And I bet in the real draft he moves up even higher purely based on the fact that Tyler H wanted to throw money into a fire being a fool.
 
TexansFTW said:
I clearly see you gave a brief writeup about him in the pick, but what else do you think of this guy? I was talking about him with a buddy of mine. Obviously I like the size with decent wheels to match, but I rarely watched him play and no little about him other than Walter / CBS / NFL Draft profile can tell me. I saw one game of his when he played UH and he wasn't even the best WR on his own team that day so I kind of never thought about him until I was combing through best available WRs for the 3 picks the Ravens get later in the rounds.

Anyways, I know I've spoken a lot now, but what do you think of him projecting to next level?
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He's a threat downfield but he is extremely raw everywhere else. He's got the size/speed of a 1st or 2nd round guy but there is a lot of guessing involved with his projection. I like him in the mid rounds as a guy that has the tools but needs to be coached up quite a bit.

He doesn't have a lot of experience with pro routes, and the routes that he has run seem a little bit sloppy. That's probably due to his lack of reps. He was injured for probably half of his college career. He caught my eye against Oklahoma early in the year. He had an insane game, and made a ridiculous TD catch that showcased what he is capable of with his athleticism at that size.

I like him for Buffalo because their top two WRs (Watkins and Robert Woods) are good in the slot. So he could be their third guy, and when he comes in he pushes one of them into the slot and gets to work downfield in single coverage.

I don't think he's ever better than a #2. And even then, it will take him a while to get to that level. But if you're patient with him, I think he can definitely be worth a 4th round investment.
 
JB said:
How about Fahn Cooper here?
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I like Cooper here, Cooper has played some LT but is mainly a RT. This late in the game I doubt you find a LT. One of the Arkansas RBs Collins or Williams is probably the best value.
 
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Yeah, I think TE is pretty much off the board for us at this point. Every guy that could make an impact for us is gone. I have three guys on my board for us right now.

RB C.J. Prosise is the highest rated for me but if we want to go RB I actually see quite a few decent options later in the draft. None as good as Prosise, but the drop off at that position isn't as severe as it is at others.

I'm going to throw another name out there that is probably way off the radar but he is the last player available that I think has starting LT potential. Most sites I've looked at have him in the 6th or 7th round but I have a 4th round grade on him. It's Caleb Benenoch from UCLA. I think he is incredibly underrated. He comes with some technique and strength issues, but nothing that I think can't be fixed. And he has the athleticism to play LT once we get him coached up.

I would really like to get Benenoch here but he's so far off the radar that I don't think there is any chance he wins the vote.

So my vote will go for Austin Blythe. He's a C from Iowa that was a four year starter. Like most Iowa OL, he is fantastic in the run game. He has an extensive wrestling background, which I absolutely love for a trench player. He's a better pass protector than given credit for, especially in the middle where he is protected. He is pro ready, mean as hell, and he fits OB's blocking system perfectly. That's my vote here.
 
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For me it comes down to Benenoch/Fahn/Cooper/Cajuste.

I will go with the guy with the most potential

Benenoch
 
steelbtexan said:
For me it comes down to Benenoch/Fahn/Cooper/Cajuste.

I will go with the guy with the most potential

Benenoch
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I don't know much of Benenoch. I feel our biggest need is at center, so my vote will be for either Blythe or Max Tuerk.
 
bah007 said:
Yeah, I think TE is pretty much off the board for us at this point. Every guy that could make an impact for us is gone.
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I haven't been following closely, but according to the results thread Nick Vannett, TE, Ohio State is still available. Unless he has died or started hanging with Johnny Manziel I think he could break into the Fiedo / Griffin / Denham rotation, so I vote Nick Vannett.
 
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Short count as of now. Also gets the names put in the same post. Plenty of time left, obviously.

OT Caleb Benenoch (1) - steelbtexan
OT Fahn Cooper (1) - Texian?
OG Joe Dahl (1) - WolverineFan
OG Rees Odhiambo (1) - Lucky
C Austin Blythe (2) - bah007, infantrycak
C Max Tuerk (2) - JB?, beerlover
TE Nick Vannett (1) Fred
 
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infantrycak said:
Benenoch strikes me as best going to a more pure ZBS team (not a who knows wtf we're doing team).

I'll vote Blythe.
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I believe they know what they're doing, but an OL with a young WSF/barely acceptable Jones/Stinky Newton is going to look bad regardless of who's coaching them.

Hopefully the OL will be better with new blood, I really like the Allen signing, I think he's got the ability to replace Newton at RT, even though he was signed to replace Brooks. It's easier to find an OG in the draft/late FA than it is to find an OT.

Anyway I like the versatility Allen gives them in case of injury later in the yr. Anybody know how DQ is doing?
 
JB said:
I don't know much of Benenoch. I feel our biggest need is at center, so my vote will be for either Blythe or Max Tuerk.
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Fair enough, I also like Evan Boehm he's got alot of the same qualities as Blythe, (Leader/Strong as a bull/ wrestling background.)

You should read about Benenoch over at Scout .com. Benenoch has played and played well at every spot on the line except C. BOB/Devlin love versatile OL. He's from Katy.

Then take a look at his tape. It was surprisingly good. Certainly worth a 4th rd pick.
 
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Max Turek, if medically cleared, could/should be the Texans starting center moving forward with a great camp. Played in a pro system @ USC and before injury was considered elite for position. He gets my vote as well :barman:

NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein compared USC C Max Tuerk to Evan Mathis.

Tuerk's currently on the mend from a torn knee ligament suffered against Washington in early October. He indicated in mid-February that the knee's "feeling awesome," though he predictably was held out of all running events at the NFL Scouting Combine last month. The 6-foot-5, 298-pounder did record 22 reps on the bench press in Indianapolis. Zierlein comped him to Evan Matthis, who was selected by the Panthers with the 79th overall pick (third round) in 2005. The NFL Media analyst believes his best fit is in "primarily zone scheme rushing attacks who don't face many 3-4 fronts within their division."
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Max Turek, if medically cleared, could/should be the Texans starting center moving forward with a great camp. Played in a pro system @ USC and before injury was considered elite for position. He gets my vote as well :barman:
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I like him as well, mocked him to the Texans a few times.

How about this if the draft fell this way, draft the C (Blythe/Boehm/Tuerk) and then trade back up for Benenoch?
 
He (Max) is flying under media/internet draft sites. Once he does his workout (later this week or next) his stock should rise. Be interesting who attends his workout. Speaking of workouts has anybody heard who Texans have invited for private workouts? Maybe could use that information to help with group picks.
 
I would give up a 5th and 6th

Then hopefully draft Cajuste with my other 5th and be done with the draft.
 
beerlover said:
He (Max) is flying under media/internet draft sites. Once he does his workout (later this week or next) his stock should rise. Be interesting who attends his workout. Speaking of workouts has anybody heard who Texans have invited for private workouts? Maybe could use that information to help with group picks.
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Scout.com has a list of all of the visits/workouts.
 
WolverineFan said:
Also, I wouldn't say he's at worst a monster on special teams.
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Just to clarify, I said he SHOULD BE at worst a monster on special teams, not that he WOULD BE at worst a monster on special teams. If his head gets messed up or if he has attitude issues, then he won't even make that, but with his measurables and if he works at it, he SHOULD be.
 
If I were picking at this spot, I'd be debating between:
Alex Collins, RB -- I'd really like to upgrade Blue
Rashard Higgins, WR -- Just because
Nick Vannett, TE -- Our TE corps doesn't thrill me
Max Tuerk, C -- I don't see Bergstrom as a long term answer

And I'd end up debating TE vs. C. When I was a kid, I played C.

So I'm going Max Tuerk.
 
I think the Texans are satisfied with what they've got going for center. I was hoping we could probably get Pharoh Cooper here. But...

I'm going with TE Nick Vannett
 
Voting as of now. We still have until 9:00 to figure it out.

TE Nick Vannett (2) - Fred, thunderkyss
OT Caleb Benenoch (1) - steelbtexan
OT Fahn Cooper (1) - Texian
OG Joe Dahl (2) - TexansFTW, WolverineFan
OG Rees Odhiambo (1) - Lucky
C Austin Blythe (2) - bah007, infantrycak
C Max Tuerk (3) - beerlover, JB, The Pencil Neck
S K.J. Dillon (1) - Mollywhopper
 
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Texans def not happy with what they got at Center. Bergstrom is cool, but the other guys I've never heard of in my life. And Bergstrom coming off big injury. Not saying I don't believe in him, just saying that I'd like depth, and those other 2 bozos I've never heard of aren't depth IMO.

I'm all about upside, but I generally like guys that I see with higher floors in the 4th. We need depth and good depth at every position basically. We have about 6 picks a season not work out, and many are upside based picks. I'm ready for some steady and safe.

I hear a lot of bad on this guy, but I'll be real with you, I hear a lot of good too. I know some of you boys are watching film on guards and tackles pulling and stunting and using arms bla bla bla. lol, I'm not. I'm watching the football and those that have a chance to touch it. My metric is Pro Football Focus for the tie breaker whenever I see both good and bad about OLinemen, and this is what they say:

"The analyst reported, in addition, that his sources in the league now believe Dahl will go on Day 2 (Rds. 2-3). Dahl graded out as PFF's No. 1 pass-protecting tackle in each of the past two seasons. Some see him as a G".

My vote J Dahl
 
To be honest I'm not sure Cooper makes the 53 man roster other than maybe a swing OT backup and IMHO Blythe and Boehm both could be starters in a year or two. I like the two SEC 1000 yd rushers from Arkansas over Prosise because of tiny hands. I am renaming Notre Dame, Small Hands University.

REVISION: After further review and more study I am changing my vote to Joe Dahl based on TexansFTW find and the PFF recommendations. Dahl certainly is big enough, long enough arms, big enough hands, fast enough and strong enough to play OT. Also because IMHO Blythe and/or Boehm could be available in later in the draft.
 
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The Pencil Neck said:
Max Tuerk, C -- I don't see Bergstrom as a long term answer

And I'd end up debating TE vs. C. When I was a kid, I played C.

So I'm going Max Tuerk.
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I think C is the way to go here and that's where the votes are. Would hate to see them split and end up with a 3rd place somewhat by default. So...

Obviously the knee is a concern for Tuerk. Another concern to me is he is damn tall for a C. And he seems to have trouble holding weight - he's not going to just casually chuck on another 20 lbs. Blythe is durable, more compact and has been taught by one of the best OL coaching staffs in college ball.

So my preference remains Blythe. Having said that some folks from one C may need to jump ship to the other before the final call is made.
 
I'll switch my vote to Dahl but only on the condition that we're drafting him as a C with versatility at OG. If we're drafting him as an OT or purely as an OG then I'm sticking with Blythe. He'd be a starter for us pretty soon in his career.
 
bah007 said:
I'll switch my vote to Dahl but only on the condition that we're drafting him as a C with versatility at OG. If we're drafting him as an OT or purely as an OG then I'm sticking with Blythe. He'd be a starter for us pretty soon in his career.
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Time to make the pick. Who is the newest Texan?
 
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