Texians POST Combine Mock Draft

[Texian]

RD1. Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon, 6062, 306, 5.01/40, 25R, 32.5"VL, 4.33SS, 7.25TC; PRO DAY 3/12/2015 - The best OT in This Draft

VIDEOS: UCLA, FSU, OHIO STATE; http://draftbreakdown.com/video/jake-fisher-vs-ohio-state-2014/

RD2. Michael Bennett, DE, Ohio State, 6021, 293; PRO DAY 3/13/2015

VIDEOS: http://draftbreakdown.com/?s=mICHAEL+BENNETT

RD3. Josh Shaw, CB, USC, 6003, 201, 4.44/40, 26R, 37.5"VL, 10'10"BJ, 4.12SS, 7.01TC; PRO DAY 03/11/2015

RD4. Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford, 5116, 201, 4.55/40, 40.5"VL, 10.01BJ, 4.21SS, 6.97TC: PRO DAY 03/19/2015

RD5. Kyle Emanuel, ILB, NDSU, 6032, 255, 4.77/40, 27R, 34"VL, 10'BJ, 4.25SS, 7.10TC; PRO DAY 03/26/2015

RD6. Tyler Varga, RB, Yale, 5111, 221, 23R; PRO DAY ???

 

[PapaL]

I would not be mad at that haul. Not sure Fisher is "The best OT in This Draft" but I wouldn't be upset if we drafted him (depending on who else is on the board of course). Good mock!

 

[Texian]

Offensive Tackle Jake Fisher recorded the third fastest short shuttle since 2006 coming in at 4.33 seconds. The Shuttle is said to be one of the best tools used to project future success according to RotoWorld.

Fisher also posted the second fastest time in the forty-yar dash among Offensive Lineman at 5.01 seconds. He was also a workhorse on the three cone drill posting a time if 7.25 which comes in as the eight best Combine time for an Offensive Lineman since 1999.

http://autzenzoo.com/2015/02/20/jake-fisher-impresses-nfl-combine-improves-draft-stock/

 

[PapaL]

Offensive Tackle Jake Fisher recorded the third fastest short shuttle since 2006 coming in at 4.33 seconds. The Shuttle is said to be one of the best tools used to project future success according to RotoWorld.

Fisher also posted the second fastest time in the forty-yar dash among Offensive Lineman at 5.01 seconds. He was also a workhorse on the three cone drill posting a time if 7.25 which comes in as the eight best Combine time for an Offensive Lineman since 1999.

http://autzenzoo.com/2015/02/20/jake-fisher-impresses-nfl-combine-improves-draft-stock/

Last year you were preaching that workout numbers don't mean much when it came to Clowney. This year it's the opposite?

 

[PapaL]

RotoWord:

Promising Developments


Oregon OT Jake Fisher’s 4.33 second 20-yard short shuttle time was the third-fastest for an offensive lineman since 2006. The drill is one of the most important projection tools we have to forecast collegiate lineman to the next level (if you’re curious why, check out our Combine Preview column from earlier this week). Fisher wasn’t done there. He was tested amongst the best in his position group with a 32.5" vertical jump and a 7.25 second 3-cone. He’s making a real case to earn a Round 2 call.

Roto Link 2

Short-Area Quickness


These next two sections are singular testing results that best project future success for certain positions. I am far less attached to these than in previous years, but it has been a tradition in highlighting them… so I will continue. Instead of individual results, be sure to check out the last category which features a full body of athleticism in the form of webs.


First is the 20-yard shuttle for offensive linemen. Here are 12 of the top 18 performances since 2006:

Eagles C Jason Kelce (4.14), Colts C Samson Satele (4.29), Panthers C Ryan Kalil (4.34), Patriots OT Nate Solder (4.34), Jets C Nick Mangold (4.36), Colts OT Anthony Castonzo (4.40), Broncos C Will Montgomery (4.43), Vikings G Brandon Fusco (4.43), Chiefs T Eric Fisher (4.44), Browns G Joel Bitonio (4.44), Texans G Xavier Su’a-Filo (4.44) and longtime T Eric Winston (4.44).


The other event that best projects success if among the top performers since 2006 is the 3-cone drill for edge pass rushers. Falcons' Tyler Starr (6.64), Cardinals’ Sam Acho (6.69), Seahawks’ Bruce Irvin (6.70), Broncos’ Von Miller (6.70), Redskins’ Trent Murphy (6.78), Chargers’ Melvin Ingram (6.83), Panthers’ Kony Ealy (6.83), Browns’ Barkevious Mingo (6.84), Eagles’ Connor Barwin (6.87), Texans’ J.J. Watt (6.88), Lions’ Devin Taylor (6.89) and Vikings’ Brian Robison (6.89) make up 12 of the top 14 times.

 

[Texian]

Last year you were preaching that workout numbers don't mean much when it came to Clowney. This year it's the opposite?

My 2013 mock had Kyke Long in RD 1. Most said he would be RD 2-3 pick. He went #20 to Chicago. I said a the time that Long would go to more pro bowls than the OL picked before him. With two years in the league Long has made two pro bowls. And I'll just leave it at that.

When it came to Clowney his measurables were never in doubt, his heart and dedication were.

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't know why I like it, but I do. I like it a lot.

 

[Playoffs]

Not bad.

But would it change if we resigned Derek Newton and lose Kareem Jackson and Brooks Reed to free agency without making any big splash free agent additions?

 

[PapaL]

My 2013 mock had Kyke Long in RD 1. Most said he would be RD 2-3 pick. He went #20 to Chicago. I said a the time that Long would go to more pro bowls than the OL picked before him. With two years in the league Long has made two pro bowls. And I'll just leave it at that.

When it came to Clowney his measurables were never in doubt, his heart and dedication were.

Forgive me but a quick search of your history doesn't show your 2013 Mock. Only reference I see is your claim to having claimed that:

Except that some personal opinions are more right than others. Like when Zierlein insinuated I was crazy when I said Kyle Long would go to more Pro Bowls than any of the OL drafted ahead of Long last year. See what I mean Vern?

I was giving you credit on your mock, even praised you for it. Even when I agree with you, you disagree. If you wanna say Jake Fisher is the best OT in the draft, cool. As I said, I'm not sure of that. Are you projecting him as an RT or LT?

 

[Texian]

Forgive me but a quick search of your history doesn't show your 2013 Mock. Only reference I see is your claim to having claimed that:



I was giving you credit on your mock, even praised you for it. Even when I agree with you, you disagree. If you wanna say Jake Fisher is the best OT in the draft, cool. As I said, I'm not sure of that. Are you projecting him as an RT or LT?

Your research is quite good. At the time (2013 draft) I was residing mostly on the Houston Texans message board. (FYI - all those 13' mock picks are on an NFL active roster).

http://boards.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=625793&postcount=1

I did noticed you were handing out some positives and yet I found I still needed to disagree. Shame on me. Apologies.

Is he a LT or a RT? - Based on what I saw watching the combine, I found Jake Fisher to be the most athletic OL on the Combine field. I was also impressed that he preformed the drills better than the others performing on the field that day. I was amazed how quick his feet are. These are many of the same feelings and thoughts I got while watching Kyle Long perform at the Combine. With 33 3/4" arms and 10 3/4" hands along with his quick feet and athleticism, I think Jake could play both.

 

[Texian]

Not bad.

But would it change if we resigned Derek Newton and lose Kareem Jackson and Brooks Reed to free agency without making any big splash free agent additions?

At first I thought obviously it would change but on 2nd thought no. Brown is nearing the end the end of his career. Brown's skills are beginning to show deterioration. Ideally play Fisher at RT for a year or two and then move him to LT in 2017. Newton cannot play LT. You kind of get a twofer w/ the Jake pick.

Regarding Kareem, from my pov I don't see the Texans resigning Kareem under current cap conditions. Waynes is clearly the #1 CB after that I don't see much difference in the next 10. Originally I had Waynes as the #1 pick for the Texans until he ran a 4.32. Now (post combine) I think he's long gone before #16 (Minnesota). Regardless the Texans are lacking in good solid players in their defensive backfield.

As for Brooks Reed I think he to is gone because of the same cap reasons. IMO I thought the Texans had already addressed Reed leaving via FA when they drafted Clowney last year. Texans currently have two first RD picks starting at OLB.

and I don't see any splash in FA, not with only about $4 million to spend.

There were a few players I really liked but overlooked because I figured they didn't fit the current Texans scheme. Like Preston Smith but I doubt Romeo drafts a 271lb DE or Eric Kendricks a 230lb OLB.

 

[Pollardized]

Could we trade any of those picks for Shlake Shortles???

 

[JB]

and I don't see any splash in FA, not with only about $4 million to spend.

Where do you come up with this figure? Everything I've seen says a little over $10M

 

[infantrycak]

Where do you come up with this figure? Everything I've seen says a little over $10M

ditto

And Clowney has nothing to do with Reed. Opposite sides of the field.

 

[Texian]

Where do you come up with this figure? Everything I've seen says a little over $10M

From what I hear, Yes $8-$10 mil is about right, GROSS. However the Texans must (as must every team) allocate approx. $5 of that $8-$10 mil for IR, LTBEs, Grievances and the Practice Squad. That would leave approx $3-$5 mil to spend on signing (Mallett, Jackson, Reed) and any additional FA(s).

 

[steelbtexan]

Good mock

Love Fisher

Want a bigger NT

Would go with a RB with more speed than Varga, although he is a good player.

 

[Texian]

Want a bigger NT

You got that last year. Used a draft pick for NIX (342 lbs) and then signed Picket (340 lbs). Also have Powe (331 lbs.).

 

[PapaL]

I like Erek Flowers, however you spell his name. Just because he's a mean SOB. That's what I want from our OL. The days of cheap shots on QBs need to be gone. I want OL that will punish and break spirits. To me Fisher is a technician. Again, he's not a bad prospect and very well could have a long productive career but when I see a guy like Flowers beating people up while blocking them, that gets me riled up.

 

[steelbtexan]

You got that last year. Used a draft pick for NIX (342 lbs) and then signed Picket (340 lbs). Also have Powe (331 lbs.).

If Nix shows up unmotivated and out of shape at TC he could be cut.

Powe isn't very good, huge body though.

Pickett may retire.

 

[Texian]

I like Erek Flowers, however you spell his name. Just because he's a mean SOB. That's what I want from our OL. The days of cheap shots on QBs need to be gone. I want OL that will punish and break spirits. To me Fisher is a technician. Again, he's not a bad prospect and very well could have a long productive career but when I see a guy like Flowers beating people up while blocking them, that gets me riled up.

At the Combine, Flowers looked slow, lumbering, difficulty in drills, not very athletic. My initial thoughts is he would need to move inside and that speed rushers would have a field day against Flowers on the outside. As an OG he may be ideal for what you're are wanting for OL.

If Nix shows up unmotivated and out of shape at TC he could be cut.

Powe isn't very good, huge body though.

Pickett may retire.

Sounds like your typical Texans band aid fix and draft.

 

[steelbtexan]

At the Combine, Flowers looked slow, lumbering, difficulty in drills, not very athletic. My initial thoughts is he would need to move inside and that speed rushers would have a field day against Flowers on the outside. As an OG he may be ideal for what you're are wanting for OL.



Sounds like your typical Texans band aid fix and draft.

Fisher is my favorite OL in this draft. Great feet/plays hard/needs to improve functional strength like most OL coming out of college.

The Texans drafting history should be the most frustrating aspect in the Texans org. They probably would be better off with a blindfold and a dartboard approach.

 

[badboy]

RD1. Jake Fisher, OT, Oregon, 6062, 306, 5.01/40, 25R, 32.5"VL, 4.33SS, 7.25TC; PRO DAY 3/12/2015 - The best OT in This Draft

RD2. Michael Bennett, DE, Ohio State, 6021, 293; PRO DAY 3/13/2015

RD3. Josh Shaw, CB, USC, 6003, 201, 4.44/40, 26R, 37.5"VL, 10'10"BJ, 4.12SS, 7.01TC; PRO DAY 03/11/2015

RD4. Ty Montgomery, WR, Stanford, 5116, 201, 4.55/40, 40.5"VL, 10.01BJ, 4.21SS, 6.97TC: PRO DAY 03/19/2015

RD5. Kyle Emanuel, ILB, NDSU, 6032, 255, 4.77/40, 27R, 34"VL, 10'BJ, 4.25SS, 7.10TC; PRO DAY 03/26/2015

RD6. Tyler Varga, RB, Yale, 5111, 221, 23R; PRO DAY ???

really like the first three but think you can do better than Montgomery round 4.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Pretty solid mock Texian. Do you have any thoughts on ECU NT Terry Williams?

 

[steelbtexan]

Pretty solid mock Texian. Do you have any thoughts on ECU NT Terry Williams?

Not Directed at me but because of the weed he will probably fall to the 5-6th rd range.

Williams is as good as any NT in the NFL. But has stamina issue because he's fat. (Probably because of getting the munchies when he's high) He can really move for a fat man though.

You will see this again in my latest mock.

 

[PHILLYTEXANFAN]

Not Directed at me but because of the weed he will probably fall to the 5-6th rd range.

Williams is as good as any NT in the NFL. But has stamina issue because he's fat. (Probably because of getting the munchies when he's high) He can really move for a fat man though.

You will see this again in my latest mock.

It's all good. I appreciate feedback from anyone good or bad

 

[Texian]

really like the first three but think you can do better than Montgomery round 4.

My thoughts on Montgomery; he's an outstanding athlete, he was Stanford's go to guy. He was their kick/punt returner (All American), he lined up at 3 different WR positions, he was also a RB and he ran the wildcat formation for Stanford. Ty has 10' 1/8" hands (some BIG mits). Unfortunately for Ty he could never focus/practice on being just a WR or playing one position. I also took into consideration that his QB at Stanford was below average.

I was thinking if he was tutored by #80 and #10 on how to be come a good NFL WR, spent untold hours with the jugs machine catching footballs during the season and worked on getting his hands much stronger he could become a better than average WR. At worst you have a good KR/PR and a #3 or #4 WR.

Pretty solid mock Texian. Do you have any thoughts on ECU NT Terry Williams?

Yes I saw him play quite a bit while following Shane Cardin. I was impressed on how well he could move sideline to sideline. He does get gassed and needs a break, he's a fat man. He's also short for NFL standards (6' NT?). He was stout at the point of attack. He was probably their best defensive player. I don't know how seriously he takes the game though (at 350+ lbs). He probably could've been better because IMO I thought ECU was a poorly coached team (sloppy).

 

[Lucky]

My thoughts on Montgomery; he's an outstanding athlete, he was Stanford's go to guy. He was their kick/punt returner (All American), he lined up at 3 different WR positions, he was also a RB and he ran the wildcat formation for Stanford.

I agree. If you come away from the 4th round with a player like Montgomery, you're doing good. Take a look at the Texans WRs behind Johnson and Hopkins.

Damaris Johnson
Keshawn Martin
DeVier Posey
Alan Bonner

Yuck. You can make a case for the Texans taking 2 wideouts, one in the first 2 rounds and and another on the 3rd day. The Texans depth chart and this draft's depth at WR would justify that investment.

 

[otisbean]

I like it, but I'd rather see a guy like Orchard (if he's there) in rd2. Im a little worried about our pass rush situation. I'm worried about JDC and Merciless is kind of meh

 

[Texian]

I like it, but I'd rather see a guy like Orchard (if he's there) in rd2. Im a little worried about our pass rush situation. I'm worried about JDC and Merciless is kind of meh

As I pointed out earlier the Texans already have 2 first RD draft picks as their starting OLBs. I'm not sure Orchard is any better than what the Texans already have. Orchard tested rather poorly at the Combine. I also thought that drafting another OLB with a 2nd RD pick was a bit redundant and really doesn't improve the overall makeup of the team.

My thinking is that Ninja has never been adequately replaced and that Ninja's performance improved the play of OLB on his side. Jamison is a FA so that leaves Crick and Pagan. I wanted Arik Aremstead or Xavier Cooper as Ninja's replacement but expect both of them to be gone by pick #51. Of course if Armstead or Cooper are available at #51 they would be the pick ahead of Bennett.

 

[steelbtexan]

Montgomery adds value to ST's and speed at WR. I think he plays faster than his timed 40 speed. He has good not great hands and badly needs to work on his route running with AJ & co for a couple of yrs. In the beginning his value is as a KR/PR/Deep threat.

Good pick, I like McBride better but he will cost atleast a 3rd. I would choose Conley if I was taking a flier on an athletic speedy WR in the 4th. But I can also see the value in ST's that would make Montgomery the pick over Conley.

 

[Texian]

Montgomery adds value to ST's and speed at WR. I think he plays faster than his timed 40 speed. He has good not great hands and badly needs to work on his route running with AJ & co for a couple of yrs. In the beginning his value is as a KR/PR/Deep threat.

Good pick, I like McBride better but he will cost atleast a 3rd. I would choose Conley if I was taking a flier on an athletic speedy WR in the 4th. But I can also see the value in ST's that would make Montgomery the pick over Conley.

I wanted to put Conley in the Montgomery pick but I figured after Conley was the #1 Top Performer at the Combine he would be long gone by the 4th RD. I debated WR vs CB in RD 3 and based on Kareem exiting via FA and Joseph a possible cap casualty CB had a much higher priority from my pov.

 

[thunderkyss]

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My thinking is that Ninja has never been adequately replaced and that Ninja's performance improved the play of OLB on his side.

I think Crick made a big jump in that direction last season & expect a similar jump next season. Then I'm expecting (more like hoping) that Pagan can be the beast he looks like he should be.

 

[JB]

You seem to put an awful lot of weight into the combine and not so much on film. Some guys just don't test well... don't mean they're bad at the subject.

 

[Texian]

You seem to put an awful lot of weight into the combine and not so much on film. Some guys just don't test well... don't mean they're bad at the subject.

You're probably right (I do watch mucho tape thou) but I have learned a lot over the years and have a better understanding of what to expect and how to better interpret some of the Combine numbers. And then there is the eye test, there is nothing better than seeing the athleticism and how well participants can perform their drills. There are very good reasons why every scout, coach and team execs attend the Combine and there are very good reasons why they've specific drills for each group of participants to complete. Who would have known that Jake Fisher could easily play LT in the NFL if you hadn't seen his superior athletic performances, agility and surprisingly quick foot speeds.

What I have learned is that the 4.3 40 is more important for DBs and not as much for RBs and WRs. 4.3 RBs and WRs who really excel in the game are rare (Jamal Charles/Chris Johnson). The 4.4-4.6 WRs and RBS seem to have better careers than the 4.3 guys. The 4.3 WRs are track guys and concentrate more on their speed. Because WRs run so fast they have a strong tendency to run through and past their routes. In essence they're one trick ponies, straight line speed. RBs with 4.3 speed often don't show enough patience for their blocks to develop, they just want to go. Because of their speed RBs are often slight of build.

When all else seems equal and the video isn't the great difference maker, the 10yd split, and the explosion drills, Vertical Leap and the Broad Jump are often the Great Separator. On the other hand a poor performance maybe all you need to know. 18 reps by an OL, or a 6 on the Wunderlic, or 5.0+ 40 by a LB may be the one piece of info that tells you to take that player off the draft board. I have also learned that for the guys in the trenches, the general rule of thumb, that the best combination is, guys that measure BIGGER and who can also test STRONGER and FASTER are the better players at their respective positions in the NFL.

 

[badboy]

I agree. If you come away from the 4th round with a player like Montgomery, you're doing good. Take a look at the Texans WRs behind Johnson and Hopkins.

Damaris Johnson
Keshawn Martin
DeVier Posey
Alan Bonner

Yuck. You can make a case for the Texans taking 2 wideouts, one in the first 2 rounds and and another on the 3rd day. The Texans depth chart and this draft's depth at WR would justify that investment.

To clarify, I was not knocking position taken (I have a slot in 3rd on my progressing mock) but rather the player. Montgomery is on bubble for me due to his hands and repeat injury to same shoulder he had already had surgery on.

"Montgomery is a likable person with high character and an ability to leave a positive impression in draft interviews, but teams will still have to figure out how they want to use him," NFL Media draft analyst Lance Zierlein wrote. "His hands might not be trustworthy enough to be part of a three-wide-receiver set. Montgomery can flip fields and change games with his ability in the return game and might be best-utilized in a dynamic, open-minded offensive system that gets the ball in his hands quickly and allows him to use his run after catch talents." The analyst compares Montgomery to Cordarrelle Patterson, a comparison both glowing and damning. The 6-foot-2, 220-pound Montgomery had 61 catches for 604 yards and three touchdowns this season. CBS Sports' Dane Brugler believes Montgomery's "best NFL comparison might be a slightly better version of Josh Cribbs." Feb 16 - 10:02 PM

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/130953/ty-montgomery

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...ord-wont-have-ty-montgomery-for-game-vs-ucla/

WEAKNESSES: Like a lot of players with a rocked-up build, doesn't possess ideal lateral agility and flexibility, making him a bit straight-linish. Average explosion out of his breaks, perhaps one of the reasons why most of his damage came on vertical or quick screens. Allows too many passes to get to his pads, resulting in some ugly drops in which the ball simply goes right through his fingers. Accelerates fluidly and impressively for a man of his build but there is some question as to his pure speed. Could be seen as a bit of a one-trick pony whose greatest value in the NFL could be as a fourth receiver and kick returner.

--Rob Rang

Here is the Brugler comment:

01/22/2015 - 2015 Senior Bowl, Tuesday: Sticking with the receiver position, Ty Montgomery entered the season with first round buzz, but he has yet to take the next step in his development as a receiver. During Tuesday's practice, he consistently fought the ball and looked rigid in his routes, showing tendencies that reflect his game film. Montgomery is an exciting return man with home run potential with the ball in his hands, but what position does he play in the NFL? His best NFL comparison might be a slightly better version of Josh Cribbs. - Dane Brugler, NFLDraftScout.com

Cribbs is a ten year player IIRC but only three good seasons in there.

I don't know how much the shoulder effects him but...then his forty was 4.55 which is adequate if a slot but for a return guy I like Tre McBride better 6' 210 4.41 though he is ranked a round higher. Just my two cents.

 

[Playoffs]

Who would have known that Jake Fisher could easily play LT in the NFL if you hadn't seen his superior athletic performances, agility and surprisingly quick foot speeds...

bah007, in October: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106744

 

[Texian]

bah007, in October: http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=106744

kudos to bah007, he must've been one of the very few.

 

[TexansSeminole]

I agree. If you come away from the 4th round with a player like Montgomery, you're doing good. Take a look at the Texans WRs behind Johnson and Hopkins.

Damaris Johnson
Keshawn Martin
DeVier Posey
Alan Bonner

Yuck. You can make a case for the Texans taking 2 wideouts, one in the first 2 rounds and and another on the 3rd day. The Texans depth chart and this draft's depth at WR would justify that investment.

I like Montgomery as well. I had him mocked in my pre combine mock for us. The guy is a big time playmaker and he's also a top kick returner.

 

[mussop]

kudos to bah007, he must've been one of the very few.

I think several people here have had him in their top 5 for awhile. I like him alot but no way he is the best OT IMO. For one its hard to judge alot of his game tape because of the offense they ran at Oregan. They get rid of the ball fast and Mariota was very elusive. Also got alot of penalties called against him.


Can't justify putting him ahead of Clemmons or Collins. HRONISS GRASU Might of actually been Oregans best OL last year.

 

[Texian]

Just Saying.....Fisher's OVERALL Combine results are as good if not better than the OL players drafted in 1st RD last year including Jake Matthews.

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/133276/jake-fisher

 

[HOU-TEX]

You seem to put an awful lot of weight into the combine and not so much on film. Some guys just don't test well... don't mean they're bad at the subject.

Could not agree more. If any team or any mocker moves a dude up or down because of the combine it better be due to medicals or interviews. Not the worthless drills in spandex.

 

[thunderkyss]

Could not agree more. If any team or any mocker moves a dude up or down because of the combine it better be due to medicals or interviews. Not the worthless drills in spandex.

Can't say that I agree with that. When you're watching a guy on game day, you're watching how he performs with a guy next to him that won't be next to him on game day in the future, & a guy behind him that won't be there either. You've got a guy on the sideline telling him what to do who won't be there on Sundays telling him what to do.

I'm sure you can tell a lot about how well a guy blocks on film, but how much help is he getting from the guy next to him, the RB chipping, the threat of a TE on his side, or the QB getting the ball out quick, or getting out of the pocket quick?

The combine takes all that away & lets you see the athlete & the tools he brings in a clean environment.

If the combine drills & pro days have no effect on your evaluation of the players, you're doing it wrong.

 

[HOU-TEX]

Can't say that I agree with that. When you're watching a guy on game day, you're watching how he performs with a guy next to him that won't be next to him on game day in the future, & a guy behind him that won't be there either. You've got a guy on the sideline telling him what to do who won't be there on Sundays telling him what to do.

I'm sure you can tell a lot about how well a guy blocks on film, but how much help is he getting from the guy next to him, the RB chipping, the threat of a TE on his side, or the QB getting the ball out quick, or getting out of the pocket quick?

The combine takes all that away & lets you see the athlete & the tools he brings in a clean environment.

If the combine drills & pro days have no effect on your evaluation of the players, you're doing it wrong.

I did not say that. I mentioned the interviews and medicals. The rest is a glorified track meet.

1. Film
2. Medical
3. Interviews
4. Character

 

[Playoffs]

kudos to bah007, he must've been one of the very few.

Not really. People in the Northwest were talking about Fisher as the best player for the Ducks, and some even wanted Fisher over Mariota for the Heisman...

Return of left tackle Jake Fisher puts Oregon back in the playoff race

PASADENA, Calif. -- Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota is a leading candidate for the Heisman Trophy... But if you saw the No. 12 Ducks on Saturday afternoon at the Rose Bowl, it's pretty obvious that Mariota is not the most valuable player wearing Uncle Phil's designer unis.

It may be deductive reasoning to say that honorific should apply to Oregon left offensive tackle Jake Fisher. But the facts are clear: (a) When Fisher played the first three games of the season, the Ducks went 3-0, averaged 52 points and Mariota was sacked four times; (b) when he missed the next two games with a left leg injury, the Ducks went 1-1, averaged 31 points and Mariota was sacked 12 times; (c) when Fisher returned to the lineup, the Ducks defeated No. 18 UCLA 42-30, Mariota accounted for four touchdowns and he never got sacked...

Oregon left tackle Jake Fisher for Heisman? Maybe he shouldn't laugh at the notion

 

[Texian]

Not really. People in the Northwest were talking about Fisher as the best player for the Ducks, and some even wanted Fisher over Mariota for the Heisman...

Return of left tackle Jake Fisher puts Oregon back in the playoff race


Oregon left tackle Jake Fisher for Heisman? Maybe he shouldn't laugh at the notion

as always I appreciate what you bring to the table playoffs, even if you want to take away bah007's kudos. Fisher's Combine performance appears to confirm what his early proponents have been saying about him and that I was a little late to Fisher's coronation. I don't mind my tardiness and being late to the Fisher bandwagon. I will not be surprised if Jake Fisher is drafted in the first round, I will be surprised if he isn't.

On another note, I am probably most excited about Kyle Emanuel and his future in the NFL. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle went to multiple pro bowls as an ILB in the mold of Dick Butkus.

 

[Playoffs]

...I am probably most excited about Kyle Emanuel and his future in the NFL. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle went to multiple pro bowls as an ILB in the mold of Dick Butkus.

You think he's moved inside? 19.5 sacks, 31 TFL... I think i'd try him on the edge first.

 

[Texian]

You think he's moved inside? 19.5 sacks, 31 TFL... I think i'd try him on the edge first.

From the Texans perspective, yes, for some other team, may be OLB. In High School kid was all star RB and basketball player. Also All Academic. I'm not against trying at OLB but my gut instinct tells me his FCS production and Combine results, 4.77/40 and 1.69/10 translate well to ILB or even a hybrid like Clay Matthews III who now plays in and out. I think he can take to ILB in much the same way as Demeco Ryans did with the Texans. Ryans only played OLB at Alabama. Even Cush started on the outside before eventually being moved in.

 

[mussop]

Could not agree more. If any team or any mocker moves a dude up or down because of the combine it better be due to medicals or interviews. Not the worthless drills in spandex.

Mike Mamula anyone?

 

[mussop]

On another note, I am probably most excited about Kyle Emanuel and his future in the NFL. Again, I wouldn't be surprised if Kyle went to multiple pro bowls as an ILB in the mold of Dick Butkus.

Lol, when you fall for a prospect you really fall hard.

I won't be shocked if fisher is taken in the first or second round. I will be surprised if he is not taken before we pick in he second.

 

[Texian]

Kyle Emanuel vs Sam Houston State (2014), smart player has a real nose for the football: http://draftbreakdown.com/video/kyle-emanuel-vs-sam-houston-state-2014/