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bah007's Mid-Season Top 100

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I know it's still early in the process but I've been scouting every week like usual and figured I would share my thoughts. It's helpful to get different opinions sometimes so I can go back and look at things from a different perspective. This list might also give you guys some names to watch out for during the second half of the college season.

First Round Grade
1. Leonard Williams – DE/DT, USC* 6-5 298
2. Andrus Peat – OT, Stanford* 6-7 312
3. Randy Gregory – DE/OLB, Nebraska* 6-6 245
4. Marcus Mariota – QB, Oregon* 6-4 215
5. Todd Gurley – RB, Georgia* 6-1 232
6. Shawn Oakman – DE, Baylor* 6-8 275
7. Kevin White – WR, West Virginia 6-3 209
8. Benardrick McKinney – OLB/ILB, Mississippi St* 6-4 245
9. Amari Cooper – WR, Alabama* 6-1 202
10. Shaq Thompson – OLB, Washington* 6-2 231
11. Eddie Goldman – DT, Florida St* 6-3 314
12. Dante Fowler – OLB, Florida* 6-2 261
13. Jake Fisher – OT, Oregon 6-6 299
14. A.J. Cann – OG, South Carolina 6-3 318
15. Arik Armstead – DE, Oregon* 6-7 296
16. Marcus Peters – CB, Washington* 6-0 198
17. Rashad Greene – WR, Florida St 6-0 178
18. Connor Cook – QB, Michigan St* 6-4 220
19. P.J. Williams – CB, Florida St* 6-0 196
20. Alvin Dupree – DE/OLB, Kentucky 6-4 267
21. Cody Prewitt – FS, Ole Miss 6-2 217
22. Brandon Scherff – OT/OG, Iowa 6-5 320
23. Ifo Ekpre-Olomu – CB, Oregon 5-9 195
24. Cedric Ogbuehi – OT, Texas A&M 6-5 300
25. Jaelen Strong – WR, Arizona St* 6-4 212
26. Shilique Calhoun – DE/OLB, Michigan St* 6-4 257
27. Malcom Brown – DT, Texas* 6-4 320
28. Devin Funchess – WR, Michigan* 6-5 230
29. Jameis Winston – QB, Florida St* 6-4 235
30. Shane Ray – OLB, Missouri* 6-3 245
31. Mario Edwards – DE/DT, Florida St* 6-3 294
32. Landon Collins – SS, Alabama* 6-0 215
33. Danny Shelton – DT, Washington 6-2 332
34. Trae Waynes – CB, Michigan St* 6-1 183
35. Dorial Green-Beckham – WR, Oklahoma* 6-5 225

Second Round Grade
36. Ellis McCarthy – DT, UCLA* 6-4 330
37. Kyler Fackrell – OLB, Utah St* 6-5 245
38. A.J. Johnson – ILB, Tennessee 6-2 242
39. Mike Davis – RB, South Carolina* 5-9 216
40. Ereck Flowers – OT, Miami* 6-5 322
41. DeVante Parker – WR, Louisville 6-3 209
42. Hroniss Grasu – C, Oregon 6-3 297
43. Jordan Jenkins – OLB, Georgia* 6-2 246
44. Denzel Perryman – ILB, Miami 5-11 242
45. Jay Ajayi – RB, Boise St* 6-0 216
46. Vic Beasley – OLB, Clemson 6-2 235
47. Carl Davis – DT, Iowa 6-5 315
48. Melvin Gordon – RB, Wisconsin* 6-1 207
49. Michael Bennett – DT, Ohio St 6-2 288
50. Eric Kendricks – OLB, UCLA 6-0 230
51. Vadal Alexander – OG, LSU* 6-6 342
52. Kris Frost – OLB/ILB, Auburn* 6-2 234
53. Lorenzo Doss – CB, Tulane* 5-11 187
54. Nick O’Leary – TE, Florida St 6-3 244
55. Sammie Coates – WR, Auburn* 6-2 201
56. Isaac Seumalo – C, Oregon St* 6-4 298
57. Durrell Eskridge – FS, Syracuse* 6-3 203
58. Nelson Agholor – WR, USC* 6-1 190
59. C.J. Johnson – OLB/ILB, Ole Miss 6-2 237
60. Ty Montgomery – WR, Stanford 6-2 215
61. Derron Smith – FS, Fresno St 5-11 197
62. Garrett Grayson – QB, Colorado St 6-2 220
63. Spencer Drango – OT, Baylor* 6-5 315
64. Trey Flowers – DE/OLB, Arkansas 6-4 267
65. T.J. Clemmings – OT, Pittsburgh 6-5 305
66. Markus Golden – OLB, Missouri 6-3 260
67. LeRaven Clark – OT, Texas Tech* 6-5 320
68. Ronald Darby – CB, Florida St* 5-11 188
69. Javorius Allen – RB, USC* 6-1 220
70. Lorenzo Mauldin – OLB, Louisville 6-4 243

Third Round Grade
71. Laken Tomlinson – OG, Duke 6-3 320
72. Duke Johnson – RB, Miami* 5-9 206
73. Charles Gaines – CB, Louisville* 5-11 175
74. Ameer Abdullah – RB, Nebraska 5-9 195
75. Shane Carden – QB, ECU 6-2 221
76. Jordan Richards – SS, Stanford 5-11 208
77. Tevin Coleman – RB, Indiana* 6-0 210
78. Za’Darius Smith – DE, Kentucky 6-5 264
79. Ty Sambrailo – OT, Colorado St 6-5 315
80. Derrick Malone – OLB, Oregon 6-2 220
81. Ronald Martin – SS, LSU 6-1 218
82. Aundrey Walker – OG, USC 6-6 318
83. Quinshad Davis – WR, North Carolina* 6-3 205
84. Brett Hundley – QB, UCLA* 6-3 227
85. La’el Collins – OT, LSU 6-5 315
86. Stefon Diggs – WR, Maryland* 6-0 195
87. Jalen Collins – CB, LSU* 6-2 195
88. E.J. Bibbs – TE, Iowa St 6-3 261
89. Senquez Golson – CB, Ole Miss 5-9 176
90. Hayes Pullard – ILB, USC 6-1 235
91. Josh Harper – WR, Fresno St 6-1 185
92. Ramik Wilson – ILB, Georgia 6-2 232
93. Ben Koyack – TE, Notre Dame 6-4 261
94. Hauoli Kikaha – OLB, Washington 6-3 250
95. T.J. Yeldon – RB, Alabama* 6-2 218
96. Tony Washington – OLB, Oregon 6-3 250
97. Tyler Kroft – TE, Rutgers* 6-5 240
98. Devonte Fields – OLB, Trinity Valley* 6-4 250
99. Bryce Petty – QB, Baylor 6-3 230
100. Preston Smith – DE, Mississippi St 6-5 267
101. Reese Dismukes – C, Auburn 6-3 296
102. Jaquiski Tartt – SS, Samford 6-1 218
103. Eric Lefeld – OT, Cincinnati 6-6 309
104. Vince Mayle – WR, Washington St 6-3 219
105. Anthony Harris – FS, Virginia 6-1 190
106. Jake Smith – C, Louisville 6-3 312
107. Kurtis Drummond – FS, Michigan St 6-1 200
108. Dhaquille Williams – WR, Auburn* 6-2 216
109. Steven Nelson – CB, Oregon St 5-11 195
110. Christian Covington – DE/DT, Rice* 6-3 295

I think it's important to note that this is how I personally rate and value the prospects, not where I think the consensus rates them or in what order I think they will get drafted.
 
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Thank you! Now I know who to look for while I watch.

Assuming Mariota is gone, who would you like to see the Texans take in the first? I'm thinking maybe Prewitt or one of the WR's.

We really need some speed on this team.
 
JB said:
Thank you! Now I know who to look for while I watch.

Assuming Mariota is gone, who would you like to see the Texans take in the first? I'm thinking maybe Prewitt or one of the WR's.

We really need some speed on this team.
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I'm probably Prewitt's biggest fan so I'd be on board with that. I thought he was the best Safety in college football last year so I was surprised he even returned to school.

I imagine we'll be drafting in the 12-16 range. That gives us three solid CBs to look at plus I think Rashad Greene is going to be a hell of a slot receiver. He's the key to FSU's offense.
 
JB said:
Thank you! Now I know who to look for while I watch.

Assuming Mariota is gone, who would you like to see the Texans take in the first? I'm thinking maybe Prewitt or one of the WR's.

We really need some speed on this team.
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Can't say I like him, but it has to be Winston. Where else do we find a potential starting QB? Very grudging choice, but if he's there we should put other issues to the side and take him.
 
markn said:
Can't say I like him, but it has to be Winston. Where else do we find a potential starting QB? Very grudging choice, but if he's there we should put other issues to the side and take him.
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I don't think there's an ice cubes chance in hell that McNair signs off on Winston
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If McNair is tired of losing, he should do his due diligence. Have him thoroughly checked out on the field and off of it.
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Meh, McNair admires the Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots model of doing things. Do you have any idea how many years it took them to start winning?
 
JB said:
Meh, McNair admires the Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots model of doing things. Do you have any idea how many years it took them to start winning?
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what difference does that have to do with Texans if managed right in modern times with every advantage it could/should have already been done.
 
beerlover said:
what difference does that have to do with Texans if managed right in modern times with every advantage it could/should have already been done.
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coulda... shoulda... woulda...


But...


Nothing has been to show that he's willing to break the mold
 
JB said:
Meh, McNair admires the Pittsburgh Steelers and New England Patriots model of doing things. Do you have any idea how many years it took them to start winning?
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Steelers have Big Ben. Patriots had Hernandez. I'd say we have a ways to go. :shades:
 
markn said:
Can't say I like him, but it has to be Winston. Where else do we find a potential starting QB? Very grudging choice, but if he's there we should put other issues to the side and take him.
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If it comes to that then I really hope Cook comes out and we can somehow grab him instead. He does need work on his mechanics and footwork but I like him a lot better than Winston.

In my opinion, if you're grudgingly making a pick, then you already know you're making the wrong one.
 
Playoffs said:
Seeing any potential Move-TEs with the short area quickness of an Aaron Hernandez?
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There's no Aaron Hernandez in this draft. This is not a great TE class.

You have a few options at the move TE position:

Nick O'Leary, Florida St (2nd round) - Not a great athlete, especially at his size. But he runs good routes, blocks in the run game, and has fantastic hands. Looks to me like a miniature Jason Witten.

E.J. Bibbs, Iowa St (3rd round) - Good athlete for his size but not near Hernandez level. He can run and catch.

Gerald Christian, Louisville (4th round) - In the mold of Eric Ebron but not as long and not as athletic.

Pharoah Brown, Oregon (4th round) - Has Y TE size but move TE athleticism, plus he can't block a lick. He's probably the most athletic TE in this class but he's a junior and will probably go back to school.
 
bah007 said:
If it comes to that then I really hope Cook comes out and we can somehow grab him instead. He does need work on his mechanics and footwork but I like him a lot better than Winston.

In my opinion, if you're grudgingly making a pick, then you already know you're making the wrong one.
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I'm grudging my making the pick because I don't really want to be cheering for a possible rapist. Fottballistically, it's the obvious pick.
 
markn said:
I'm grudging my making the pick because I don't really want to be cheering for a possible rapist. Fottballistically, it's the obvious pick.
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Winston is just a no go for me.

I do rate him as a first round talent due to his obvious skill set. I'm not blind.

But I really do not think he will ever do anything in the NFL. Intelligence and accuracy are the two most important things for me in a QB. He doesn't have the first and he barely has the second. Whichever team drafts him better hope they can get their hands on Rashad Greene as well. That kid is ridiculous.

If you sit down and actually watch Winston throw for throw you will see what I see. He is capable of making some great throws. He made two against Louisville, both to O'Leary. But he is throwing to his first read at least 90% of the time. He is not reading the defense. The route concepts are actually pretty fantastic. His first read is almost always wide open. And his receivers make a ton of yards after the catch. When his first guy is covered he panics. Sometimes he finds his #2. If he doesn't it is pick city. He can't throw into man coverage.
 
bah007 said:
Winston, I really do not think he will ever do anything in the NFL. Intelligence and accuracy are the two most important things for me in a QB. He doesn't have the first and he barely has the second...
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He may not be intelligent, but I do not think he's slow-minded. He can make quick decisions, which you need, but he just makes some bad ones.

I don't know if he pops into you mind when O'Brien says "the CEO of your organization", though.
 
Playoffs said:
He may not be intelligent, but I do not think he's slow-minded. He can make quick decisions, which you need, but he just makes some bad ones.

I don't know if he pops into you mind when O'Brien says "the CEO of your organization", though.
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I agree with all of that. He's not slow. He has no problem making a decision and pulling the trigger. But he makes the wrong one enough that I don't think he's actually processing the information. He just throws.
 
bah007 said:
:stonecold:

Where do you have Hundley? Higher or lower?
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Haven't reviewed his last game yet but I'm not one to get too excited by small sample size. He still looks like a first round QB for the right system. He is also doing & saying all the right things. Looks very coachable just that Mora is a defensive minded head coach. His fingerprints where all over that Seahawks defense Carol inherited, now he's got UCLA, UCLA playing defense!

Really liked Bridgewater last season he just lacked the size & physical attributes. If there was someway to combine the two he would go #1 overall.
 
beerlover said:
Haven't reviewed his last game yet but I'm not one to get too excited by small sample size. He still looks like a first round QB for the right system. He is also doing & saying all the right things. Looks very coachable just that Mora is a defensive minded head coach. His fingerprints where all over that Seahawks defense Carol inherited, now he's got UCLA, UCLA playing defense!

Really liked Bridgewater last season he just lacked the size & physical attributes. If there was someway to combine the two he would go #1 overall.
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Playoffs said:
Put Bridgewater's head on Hundley's body? Winner.
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I certainly agree with that.

My problem with Hundley is his lack of development over the last three years. He does seem like a bright kid, but UCLA has improved so much since Mora got there that I find it hard to believe it's entirely a coaching issue.

He's still at the high school level as far as Quarterbacking goes. He's got the athleticism. He's got the arm.

His accuracy is spotty. He uses his arm as a secondary weapon to his legs, which I absolutely hate at the next level. And he will need a ton of mental work before he is ready.

Seems like a great kid. I hope he makes it. But there are a lot of speed bumps in his way.
 
bah007 said:
I certainly agree with that.

My problem with Hundley is his lack of development over the last three years. He does seem like a bright kid, but UCLA has improved so much since Mora got there that I find it hard to believe it's entirely a coaching issue.

He's still at the high school level as far as Quarterbacking goes. He's got the athleticism. He's got the arm.

His accuracy is spotty. He uses his arm as a secondary weapon to his legs, which I absolutely hate at the next level. And he will need a ton of mental work before he is ready.

Seems like a great kid. I hope he makes it. But there are a lot of speed bumps in his way.
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a poor man's Duante Culpepper or Josh Freeman.
 
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Texian said:
a poor man's Duante Culpepper or Josh Freeman.
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Total BS bud. Culpepper or Freeman could never move like Hundley. He is also much more of a team player & not a coach killer. Really disengenious but then I thought Carden sucked big ones this weekend so draw line in the sand :evil:
 
Updated grades on skill players. Still working on the rest. OL will be out next.

QB
1. Marcus Mariota – QB, Oregon* 6-4 215 1st
2. Connor Cook – QB, Michigan St* 6-4 220 1st
3. Jameis Winston – QB, Florida St* 6-4 235 1st
4. Garrett Grayson – QB, Colorado St 6-2 220 2nd
5. Shane Carden – QB, ECU 6-2 221 3rd
6. Brett Hundley – QB, UCLA* 6-3 227 3rd
7. Nate Sudfeld – QB, Indiana* 6-4 232 4th
8. Bryce Petty – QB, Baylor 6-3 230 4th
9. Taylor Kelly – QB, Arizona St 6-2 211 4th
10. Cody Fajardo – QB, Nevada 6-2 215 4th
11. Cody Kessler – QB, USC* 6-1 210 5th
12. Jacoby Brissett – QB, North Carolina St* 6-3 236 5th
13. Marquise Williams – QB, North Carolina* 6-2 215 5th
14. Kevin Hogan – QB, Stanford* 6-4 228 6th
15. Bo Wallace – QB, Ole Miss 6-4 217 7th
16. Sean Mannion – QB, Oregon St 6-5 220 7th
17. Brandon Bridge – QB, South Alabama 6-5 235 FA
18. Pete Thomas – QB, Louisiana Monroe 6-5 235 FA
19. Devin Gardner – QB, Michigan 6-4 218 FA
20. Gary Nova – QB, Rutgers 6-2 220 FA


RB
1. Todd Gurley – RB, Georgia* 6-1 232 1st
2. Mike Davis – RB, South Carolina* 5-9 216 2nd
3. Jay Ajayi – RB, Boise St* 6-0 216 2nd
4. Tevin Coleman – RB, Indiana* 6-0 210 2nd
5. Melvin Gordon – RB, Wisconsin* 6-1 207 2nd
6. Javorius Allen – RB, USC* 6-1 220 2nd
7. Duke Johnson – RB, Miami* 5-9 206 3rd
8. Ameer Abdullah – RB, Nebraska 5-9 195 3rd
9. David Johnson – RB, Northern Iowa 6-2 229 4th
10. T.J. Yeldon – RB, Alabama* 6-2 218 4th
11. Devontae Booker – RB, Utah* 5-11 209 4th
12. Jeremy Langford – RB, Michigan St 6-0 205 4th
13. D.J. Foster – RB, Arizona St* 5-11 203 5th
14. Malcolm Brown – RB, Texas 6-0 228 5th
15. Kevin Parks – RB, Virginia 5-8 205 5th
16. Byron Marshall – RB, Oregon* 5-9 201 5th
17. David Cobb – RB, Minnesota 5-11 229 6th
18. Terrance Magee – RB, LSU 5-9 214 6th
19. Michael Dyer – RB, Louisville 5-9 215 6th
20. Dreamius Smith – RB, West Virginia 5-11 216 6th
21. Jamaal Williams – RB, BYU* 6-0 200 7th
22. Jahwan Edwards – RB, Ball St 5-10 219 7th
23. Tra Carson – RB, Texas A&M* 5-11 230 7th
24. Karlos Williams – RB, Florida St 6-1 219 7th
25. Nick Marshall – RB, Auburn 6-1 210 FA
26. Malcolm Agnew – RB, Southern Illinois 5-9 207 FA
27. Kenny Hilliard – RB, LSU 6-0 233 FA
28. Alonzo Harris – RB, Louisiana Lafayette 6-1 238 FA


FB
1. Trayion Durham – FB, Kent St 6-1 248 5th
2. Jalston Fowler – FB, Alabama 6-0 250 6th
3. Zach Zenner – FB, South Dakota St 5-11 220 7th
4. Zach Zwinak – FB, Penn St 6-1 233 FA
5. Dak Prescott – FB/TE, Mississippi St* 6-1 235 FA
6. Conner Neighbors – FB, LSU 5-11 239 FA


WR
1. Kevin White – WR, West Virginia 6-3 209 1st
2. Amari Cooper – WR, Alabama* 6-1 202 1st
3. Rashad Greene – WR, Florida St 6-0 178 1st
4. Jaelen Strong – WR, Arizona St* 6-4 212 1st
5. Devin Funchess – WR, Michigan* 6-5 230 1st
6. Dorial Green-Beckham – WR, Oklahoma* 6-5 225 1st
7. DeVante Parker – WR, Louisville 6-3 209 2nd
8. Sammie Coates – WR, Auburn* 6-2 201 2nd
9. Nelson Agholor – WR, USC* 6-1 190 2nd
10. Ty Montgomery – WR, Stanford 6-2 215 2nd
11. Quinshad Davis – WR, North Carolina* 6-3 205 3rd
12. Stefon Diggs – WR, Maryland* 6-0 195 3rd
13. Josh Harper – WR, Fresno St 6-1 185 3rd
14. Vince Mayle – WR, Washington St 6-3 219 3rd
15. Dhaquille Williams – WR, Auburn* 6-2 216 3rd
16. Tony Lippett – WR, Michigan St 6-3 190 4th
17. Justin Hardy – WR, ECU 6-0 188 4th
18. Tyreek Hill – RB/WR, Oklahoma St* 5-10 185 4th
19. Jordan Taylor – WR, Rice 6-5 210 4th
20. Kasen Williams – WR, Washington 6-2 221 4th
21. Chris Harper – WR, California* 5-11 176 4th
22. Breshad Perriman – WR, UCF* 6-2 214 5th
23. Dres Anderson – WR, Utah 6-2 190 5th
24. Antwan Goodley – WR, Baylor 5-10 225 5th
25. Austin Hill – WR, Arizona 6-2 210 6th
26. Jamison Crowder – WR, Duke 5-9 175 6th
27. Kenny Bell – WR, Nebraska 6-1 185 6th
28. Deontay Greenberry – WR, Houston* 6-3 198 6th
29. Matt Miller – WR/TE, Boise St 6-3 220 6th
30. Tyler Lockett – WR, Kansas St 5-11 175 7th
31. Phillip Dorsett – WR, Miami 5-10 185 7th
32. Titus Davis – WR, Central Michigan 6-2 190 7th
33. Tyler Murphy – WR, Boston College 6-2 214 FA
34. Rannell Hall – WR, UCF 6-1 200 FA
35. Levi Norwood – WR, Baylor 6-1 195 FA
 
TE
1. Nick O’Leary – TE, Florida St 6-3 244 2nd
2. Tyler Kroft – TE, Rutgers* 6-5 240 3rd
3. E.J. Bibbs – TE, Iowa St 6-3 261 3rd
4. Ben Koyack – TE, Notre Dame 6-4 261 3rd
5. Blake Bell – TE, Oklahoma 6-6 259 3rd
6. Gerald Christian – TE, Louisville 6-3 242 4th
7. Jeff Heuerman – TE, Ohio St 6-5 255 4th
8. Pharaoh Brown – TE, Oregon* 6-5 241 4th
9. C.J. Uzomah – TE, Auburn 6-4 264 4th
10. Jay Rome – TE, Georgia* 6-5 254 4th
11. Clive Walford – TE, Miami 6-4 263 5th
12. Jesse James – TE, Penn St* 6-7 254 5th
13. Wes Saxton – TE, South Alabama 6-4 235 5th
14. Jake McGee – TE, Florida 6-5 255 6th
15. Jimmay Mundine – TE, Kansas 6-2 240 7th
16. Eric Tomlinson – TE, UTEP 6-7 265 7th
17. MyCole Pruitt – TE, Southern Illinois 6-3 255 7th
18. De’Marieya Nelson – TE, Arizona St 6-2 224 FA
19. Jon Davis – TE, Illinois 6-3 240 FA


OT
1. Andrus Peat – OT, Stanford* 6-7 312 1st
2. Jake Fisher – OT, Oregon 6-6 299 1st
3. Cedric Ogbuehi – OT, Texas A&M 6-5 300 1st
4. Brandon Scherff – OT/OG, Iowa 6-5 320 1st
5. Ereck Flowers – OT, Miami* 6-5 322 2nd
6. Ty Sambrailo – OT, Colorado St 6-5 315 2nd
7. T.J. Clemmings – OT, Pittsburgh 6-5 305 2nd
8. LeRaven Clark – OT, Texas Tech* 6-5 320 3rd
9. La’el Collins – OT, LSU 6-5 315 3rd
10. Spencer Drango – OT, Baylor* 6-5 315 3rd
11. Eric Lefeld – OT, Cincinnati 6-6 309 3rd
12. Sean Hickey – OT, Syracuse 6-5 300 3rd
13. Cameron Erving – OT, Florida St 6-5 304 4th
14. Corey Robinson – OT, South Carolina 6-7 348 4th
15. Tyrus Thompson – OT, Oklahoma 6-5 336 4th
16. Mickey Baucus – OT, Arizona 6-7 305 5th
17. Terry Poole – OT, San Diego St 6-5 310 5th
18. Daryl Williams – OT, Oklahoma 6-6 329 6th
19. Jamon Brown – OT, Louisville 6-5 350 6th
20. Austin Shepherd – OT, Alabama 6-5 316 7th
21. Trenton Brown – OT, Florida 6-8 350 7th


OG
1. A.J. Cann – OG, South Carolina 6-3 318 1st
2. Vadal Alexander – OG, LSU* 6-6 342 2nd
3. Laken Tomlinson – OG, Duke 6-3 320 3rd
4. Aundrey Walker – OG, USC 6-6 318 3rd
5. Arie Kouandijo – OG, Alabama 6-5 318 4th
6. Torrian Wilson – OG, UCF 6-3 305 4th
7. Christian Lombard – OG, Notre Dame 6-5 315 4th
8. Malcolm Bunche – OG, UCLA 6-7 327 4th
9. Jamil Douglas – OG, Arizona St 6-4 300 5th
10. Tre Jackson – OG, Florida St 6-4 339 5th
11. Josue Matias – OG, Florida St 6-6 331 6th
12. Adam Shead – OG, Oklahoma 6-4 339 6th
13. Kaleb Johnson – OG, Rutgers 6-4 305 7th
14. John Miller – OG, Louisville 6-2 321 7th
15. Miles Diffenbach – OG, Penn St 6-3 303 7th
16. Jarvis Harrison – OG, Texas A&M 6-3 325 FA
17. Dallas Lewallen – OG, Wisconsin 6-6 322 FA


C
1. Hroniss Grasu – C, Oregon 6-3 297 2nd
2. Isaac Seumalo – C, Oregon St* 6-4 298 2nd
3. Reese Dismukes – C, Auburn 6-3 296 3rd
4. Jake Smith – C, Louisville 6-3 312 4th
5. Chad Lindsay – C, Ohio St 6-2 302 5th
6. Tom Farniok – C, Iowa St 6-4 300 5th
7. Brandon Vitabile – C, Northwestern 6-3 300 6th
8. Alex Mateas – C, Connecticut 6-4 309 7th
9. Andy Gallik – C, Boston College 6-2 299 FA
10. B.J. Finney – C, Kansas St 6-4 303 FA
 
bah007 said:
TE
1. Nick O’Leary – TE, Florida St 6-3 244 2nd
2. Tyler Kroft – TE, Rutgers* 6-5 240 3rd
3. E.J. Bibbs – TE, Iowa St 6-3 261 3rd
4. Ben Koyack – TE, Notre Dame 6-4 261 3rd
5. Blake Bell – TE, Oklahoma 6-6 259 3rd
6. Gerald Christian – TE, Louisville 6-3 242 4th
7. Jeff Heuerman – TE, Ohio St 6-5 255 4th
8. Pharaoh Brown – TE, Oregon* 6-5 241 4th
9. C.J. Uzomah – TE, Auburn 6-4 264 4th
10. Jay Rome – TE, Georgia* 6-5 254 4th
11. Clive Walford – TE, Miami 6-4 263 5th
12. Jesse James – TE, Penn St* 6-7 254 5th
13. Wes Saxton – TE, South Alabama 6-4 235 5th
14. Jake McGee – TE, Florida 6-5 255 6th
15. Jimmay Mundine – TE, Kansas 6-2 240 7th
16. Eric Tomlinson – TE, UTEP 6-7 265 7th
17. MyCole Pruitt – TE, Southern Illinois 6-3 255 7th
18. De’Marieya Nelson – TE, Arizona St 6-2 224 FA
19. Jon Davis – TE, Illinois 6-3 240 FA


OT
1. Andrus Peat – OT, Stanford* 6-7 312 1st
2. Jake Fisher – OT, Oregon 6-6 299 1st
3. Cedric Ogbuehi – OT, Texas A&M 6-5 300 1st
4. Brandon Scherff – OT/OG, Iowa 6-5 320 1st
5. Ereck Flowers – OT, Miami* 6-5 322 2nd
6. Ty Sambrailo – OT, Colorado St 6-5 315 2nd
7. T.J. Clemmings – OT, Pittsburgh 6-5 305 2nd
8. LeRaven Clark – OT, Texas Tech* 6-5 320 3rd
9. La’el Collins – OT, LSU 6-5 315 3rd
10. Spencer Drango – OT, Baylor* 6-5 315 3rd
11. Eric Lefeld – OT, Cincinnati 6-6 309 3rd
12. Sean Hickey – OT, Syracuse 6-5 300 3rd
13. Cameron Erving – OT, Florida St 6-5 304 4th
14. Corey Robinson – OT, South Carolina 6-7 348 4th
15. Tyrus Thompson – OT, Oklahoma 6-5 336 4th
16. Mickey Baucus – OT, Arizona 6-7 305 5th
17. Terry Poole – OT, San Diego St 6-5 310 5th
18. Daryl Williams – OT, Oklahoma 6-6 329 6th
19. Jamon Brown – OT, Louisville 6-5 350 6th
20. Austin Shepherd – OT, Alabama 6-5 316 7th
21. Trenton Brown – OT, Florida 6-8 350 7th


OG
1. A.J. Cann – OG, South Carolina 6-3 318 1st
2. Vadal Alexander – OG, LSU* 6-6 342 2nd
3. Laken Tomlinson – OG, Duke 6-3 320 3rd
4. Aundrey Walker – OG, USC 6-6 318 3rd
5. Arie Kouandijo – OG, Alabama 6-5 318 4th
6. Torrian Wilson – OG, UCF 6-3 305 4th
7. Christian Lombard – OG, Notre Dame 6-5 315 4th
8. Malcolm Bunche – OG, UCLA 6-7 327 4th
9. Jamil Douglas – OG, Arizona St 6-4 300 5th
10. Tre Jackson – OG, Florida St 6-4 339 5th
11. Josue Matias – OG, Florida St 6-6 331 6th
12. Adam Shead – OG, Oklahoma 6-4 339 6th
13. Kaleb Johnson – OG, Rutgers 6-4 305 7th
14. John Miller – OG, Louisville 6-2 321 7th
15. Miles Diffenbach – OG, Penn St 6-3 303 7th
16. Jarvis Harrison – OG, Texas A&M 6-3 325 FA
17. Dallas Lewallen – OG, Wisconsin 6-6 322 FA


C
1. Hroniss Grasu – C, Oregon 6-3 297 2nd
2. Isaac Seumalo – C, Oregon St* 6-4 298 2nd
3. Reese Dismukes – C, Auburn 6-3 296 3rd
4. Jake Smith – C, Louisville 6-3 312 4th
5. Chad Lindsay – C, Ohio St 6-2 302 5th
6. Tom Farniok – C, Iowa St 6-4 300 5th
7. Brandon Vitabile – C, Northwestern 6-3 300 6th
8. Alex Mateas – C, Connecticut 6-4 309 7th
9. Andy Gallik – C, Boston College 6-2 299 FA
10. B.J. Finney – C, Kansas St 6-4 303 FA
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You and I are very high on Fisher. I've got a 15-25 range on Sambrailo. Ogbuehi is a late 2nd early 3rd to me. He doesn't have the skillset to be a top LT although he could be servicable.He's not strong enough to be a RT. Altough he could get stronger with a pro S&C program. Clemmings is in the same range as as Ogbuehi. Although I think Clemmings will be a better pro.

I really like Robinson as a RT. Massive man with great strength and good enough feet. Robinson should be a dominant RT 2-3rd rd grade. Erving has a chance to be a steal in the 4th if he's willing to work. I'm higher on Brown than you are. Another massive man that can move his feet and play multiple positions.

OG's Scherff is my #1 rated OG. He could also play OT. But he's an all pro OG. As is McCann. I'm also very high on Tomlinson. I've got a 5th 6th rd grade on Harrison. Good feet needs to improve strength. Very fluid. He has a skillset to become a starter someday and I'm looking forward to seeing him play LT.

C's Grasu is a great player and well worth a 2nd rd pick. Reminds me of Alex Mack.

Looking at your board I would go heavy on offense and fix the OL/WR/LB positions.

Rd. 1 Parker WR, who I've got as my #1 WR.
Rd.2 Grasu
Rd.3 Jake Ryan, Fast intense OLB who can play ILB and cover TE's.
Rd. 4 Robinson
Rd.5 Mike Hull, a BOB favorite
Rd. 6 Leonte Carroo- very fast Slot guy, with KR/PR ability.
Rd.7 Harrison- Talented versatile OL. Great developmental guy.

Thid draft would add badly needed speed at WR, fill needs at OL and LB, I would like to add a CB/S but fixing 3 needs and adding speed on both sides of the ball would be good enough for me. Rick Smith could only hope tp draft this well.

Great list to go by for the TT Mock Draft. Hopefully you can update your list just before the TT mock draft.

Repped, appreciate all of the work you do.
 
Good stuff. Can't wait to see your defensive list.

Also, don't bother with Devin Gardner. The physical tools are there but the mental acuity for the position is not. His only chance at the next level is as a WR. Hopefully he's smart enough to make the switch during the pre-draft process like his predecessor Robinson was.
 
WolverineFan said:
Good stuff. Can't wait to see your defensive list.

Also, don't bother with Devin Gardner. The physical tools are there but the mental acuity for the position is not. His only chance at the next level is as a WR. Hopefully he's smart enough to make the switch during the pre-draft process like his predecessor Robinson was.
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if he doesn't have the mental acuity how is he smart enough to make the switch? just saying, Lol :freakout:
 
beerlover said:
if he doesn't have the mental acuity how is he smart enough to make the switch? just saying, Lol :freakout:
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He played WR as a sophomore and scored 4 TD's in 4 games. When I say "doesn't have the mental acuity" I'm talking about the ability to read defenses, go through progressions, and make smart decisions with the football.

He's a very bright and likable kid off the field, but he doesn't have the Football IQ/mental acuity/football talent (whatever you want to call it) to succeed on the field at this level.
 
bah007 said:
Updated grades on skill players. Still working on the rest. OL will be out next.

QB
1. Marcus Mariota – QB, Oregon* 6-4 215 1st
2. Connor Cook – QB, Michigan St* 6-4 220 1st
3. Jameis Winston – QB, Florida St* 6-4 235 1st
4. Garrett Grayson – QB, Colorado St 6-2 220 2nd
5. Shane Carden – QB, ECU 6-2 221 3rd
6. Brett Hundley – QB, UCLA* 6-3 227 3rd
7. Nate Sudfeld – QB, Indiana* 6-4 232 4th
8. Bryce Petty – QB, Baylor 6-3 230 4th
9. Taylor Kelly – QB, Arizona St 6-2 211 4th
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When you say "grades" do you mean like "1st rounder= probable starter, 2nd rounder=could be starter with proper training, 3rd rounder= likely back-up"

or do you mean "1st rounder=top 32 player, 2nd rounder=33rd to 64th best player... & so on"
 
WolverineFan said:
He played WR as a sophomore and scored 4 TD's in 4 games. When I say "doesn't have the mental acuity" I'm talking about the ability to read defenses, go through progressions, and make smart decisions with the football.

He's a very bright and likable kid off the field, but he doesn't have the Football IQ/mental acuity/football talent (whatever you want to call it) to succeed on the field at this level.
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know what you we're saying just commenting on how you stated it, no problems.
 
thunderkyss said:
When you say "grades" do you mean like "1st rounder= probable starter, 2nd rounder=could be starter with proper training, 3rd rounder= likely back-up"

or do you mean "1st rounder=top 32 player, 2nd rounder=33rd to 64th best player... & so on"
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The latter.

I grade the prospects where I think their value lies in the current draft class, thus the grades are subject to change if certain prospects declare or decide to stay in school.

Looking at the prospects this way gives me a better indication of where they are likely to be drafted, because they are compared against all other players, not just those that play their position. The position is taken into account during the process though.
 
DE
1. Randy Gregory – DE/OLB, Nebraska* 6-6 245 1st
2. Shawn Oakman – DE, Baylor* 6-8 275 1st
3. Arik Armstead – DE, Oregon* 6-7 296 1st
4. Alvin Dupree – DE/OLB, Kentucky 6-4 267 1st
5. Shilique Calhoun – DE/OLB, Michigan St* 6-4 257 1st
6. Trey Flowers – DE/OLB, Arkansas 6-4 267 2nd
7. Za’Darius Smith – DE, Kentucky 6-5 264 3rd
8. Preston Smith – DE, Mississippi St 6-5 267 3rd
9. Bronson Kaufusi – DE, BYU* 6-7 263 3rd
10. Cedric Reed – DE, Texas 6-6 271 4th
11. Lynden Trail – DE, Norfolk St 6-6 260 5th
12. Ray Drew – DE, Georgia 6-4 276 5th
13. Ishaq Williams – DE/OLB, Notre Dame 6-4 271 5th
14. Anthony Chickillo – DE, Miami 6-4 277 5th
15. Corey Crawford – DE, Clemson 6-5 270 6th
16. Frank Clark – DE, Michigan 6-2 270 6th
17. B.J. Larsen – DE, Utah St 6-5 275 7th
18. Brian Mihalik – DE, Boston College 6-9 288 7th
19. Owamagbe Odighizuwa – DE, UCLA 6-3 270 FA


DT
1. Leonard Williams – DE/DT, USC* 6-5 298 1st
2. Eddie Goldman – DT, Florida St* 6-3 314 1st
3. Malcom Brown – DT, Texas* 6-4 320 1st
4. Mario Edwards – DE/DT, Florida St* 6-3 294 1st
5. Danny Shelton – DT, Washington 6-2 332 1st
6. Ellis McCarthy – DT, UCLA* 6-4 330 2nd
7. Carl Davis – DT, Iowa 6-5 315 2nd
8. Michael Bennett – DT, Ohio St 6-2 288 2nd
9. Christian Covington – DE/DT, Rice* 6-3 295 3rd
10. Travis Riciti – DE/DT, San Jose St 6-5 290 4th
11. Tyeler Davison – DT, Fresno St 6-2 309 4th
12. Chucky Hunter – DT, TCU 6-1 305 5th
13. Luther Maddy – DT, Virginia Tech 6-0 292 5th
14. Gabe Wright – DT, Auburn 6-2 285 5th
15. Grady Jarrett – DT, Clemson 6-1 295 6th
16. J.T. Surrat – DT, South Carolina 6-2 305 6th
17. Jeffrey Whitaker – DT, Auburn 6-3 322 6th
18. Leon Orr – DE/DT, Florida 6-4 305 6th
19. Brandon Ivory – DT, Alabama 6-3 312 6th
20. Henry Anderson – DE/DT, Stanford 6-6 295 7th


OLB
1. Shaq Thompson – OLB, Washington* 6-2 231 1st
2. Dante Fowler – OLB, Florida* 6-2 261 1st
3. Shane Ray – OLB, Missouri* 6-3 245 1st
4. Kyler Fackrell – OLB, Utah St* 6-5 245 2nd
5. Jordan Jenkins – OLB, Georgia* 6-2 246 2nd
6. Hauoli Kikaha – OLB, Washington 6-3 250 2nd
7. Vic Beasley – OLB, Clemson 6-2 235 2nd
8. Kris Frost – OLB/ILB, Auburn* 6-2 234 2nd
9. Eric Kendricks – OLB, UCLA 6-0 230 2nd
10. Markus Golden – OLB, Missouri 6-3 260 2nd
11. Lorenzo Mauldin – OLB, Louisville 6-4 243 3rd
12. Derrick Malone – OLB, Oregon 6-2 220 3rd
13. Tony Washington – OLB, Oregon 6-3 250 3rd
14. Eric Striker – OLB, Oklahoma* 6-0 221 4th
15. Zach Hodges – OLB, Harvard 6-3 235 4th
16. Dyshawn Davis – OLB, Syracuse 6-2 221 4th
17. Martin Ifedi – OLB, Memphis 6-3 265 5th
18. Jordan Hicks – OLB/ILB, Texas 6-2 244 5th
19. Devonte Fields – OLB, Trinity Valley* 6-4 250 5th
20. Junior Sylvestre – OLB, Toledo 6-0 222 6th
21. Paul Dawson – OLB, TCU 6-2 230 6th
22. Quayshawn Nealy – OLB, Georgia Tech 6-0 236 6th
23. Jermauria Rasco – OLB, LSU 6-3 262 6th
24. Travis Hughes – OLB, North Carolina 6-2 225 7th
25. Mike Hull – OLB, Penn St 6-0 232 7th
26. Nate Orchard – OLB, Utah 6-4 255 7th
27. James Vaughters – OLB, Stanford 6-2 254 FA
28. Geneo Grissom – OLB, Oklahoma 6-4 252 FA


ILB
1. Benardrick McKinney – OLB/ILB, Mississippi St* 6-4 245 1st
2. A.J. Johnson – ILB, Tennessee 6-2 242 2nd
3. Denzel Perryman – ILB, Miami 5-11 242 2nd
4. C.J. Johnson – OLB/ILB, Ole Miss 6-2 237 2nd
5. Hayes Pullard – OLB/ILB, USC 6-1 235 3rd
6. Ramik Wilson – ILB, Georgia 6-2 232 3rd
7. Jeff Luc – ILB, Cincinnati 6-1 251 4th
8. J.R. Tavai – ILB, USC 6-2 250 4th
9. Trey DePriest – ILB, Alabama 6-1 245 5th
10. Taiwan Jones – ILB, Michigan St 6-3 252 6th
11. Deterrian Shackelford – ILB, Ole Miss 6-1 252 6th
12. Tony Steward – OLB/ILB, Clemson 6-1 230 7th
13. Michael Taylor – ILB, Florida 5-11 227 7th
14. Jake Ryan – ILB, Michigan 6-3 235 7th
15. Stephone Anthony – ILB, Clemson 6-2 245 7th
16. Ben Heeney – ILB, Kansas 6-0 230 7th
17. AJ Tarpley – ILB, Stanford 6-2 238 FA
 
bah007 said:
DE
1. Randy Gregory – DE/OLB, Nebraska* 6-6 245 1st
2. Shawn Oakman – DE, Baylor* 6-8 275 1st
3. Arik Armstead – DE, Oregon* 6-7 296 1st
4. Alvin Dupree – DE/OLB, Kentucky 6-4 267 1st
5. Shilique Calhoun – DE/OLB, Michigan St* 6-4 257 1st
6. Trey Flowers – DE/OLB, Arkansas 6-4 267 2nd
7. Za’Darius Smith – DE, Kentucky 6-5 264 3rd
8. Preston Smith – DE, Mississippi St 6-5 267 3rd
9. Bronson Kaufusi – DE, BYU* 6-7 263 3rd
10. Cedric Reed – DE, Texas 6-6 271 4th
11. Lynden Trail – DE, Norfolk St 6-6 260 5th
12. Ray Drew – DE, Georgia 6-4 276 5th
13. Ishaq Williams – DE/OLB, Notre Dame 6-4 271 5th
14. Anthony Chickillo – DE, Miami 6-4 277 5th
15. Corey Crawford – DE, Clemson 6-5 270 6th
16. Frank Clark – DE, Michigan 6-2 270 6th
17. B.J. Larsen – DE, Utah St 6-5 275 7th
18. Brian Mihalik – DE, Boston College 6-9 288 7th
19. Owamagbe Odighizuwa – DE, UCLA 6-3 270 FA


DT
1. Leonard Williams – DE/DT, USC* 6-5 298 1st
2. Eddie Goldman – DT, Florida St* 6-3 314 1st
3. Malcom Brown – DT, Texas* 6-4 320 1st
4. Mario Edwards – DE/DT, Florida St* 6-3 294 1st
5. Danny Shelton – DT, Washington 6-2 332 1st
6. Ellis McCarthy – DT, UCLA* 6-4 330 2nd
7. Carl Davis – DT, Iowa 6-5 315 2nd
8. Michael Bennett – DT, Ohio St 6-2 288 2nd
9. Christian Covington – DE/DT, Rice* 6-3 295 3rd
10. Travis Riciti – DE/DT, San Jose St 6-5 290 4th
11. Tyeler Davison – DT, Fresno St 6-2 309 4th
12. Chucky Hunter – DT, TCU 6-1 305 5th
13. Luther Maddy – DT, Virginia Tech 6-0 292 5th
14. Gabe Wright – DT, Auburn 6-2 285 5th
15. Grady Jarrett – DT, Clemson 6-1 295 6th
16. J.T. Surrat – DT, South Carolina 6-2 305 6th
17. Jeffrey Whitaker – DT, Auburn 6-3 322 6th
18. Leon Orr – DE/DT, Florida 6-4 305 6th
19. Brandon Ivory – DT, Alabama 6-3 312 6th
20. Henry Anderson – DE/DT, Stanford 6-6 295 7th


OLB
1. Shaq Thompson – OLB, Washington* 6-2 231 1st
2. Dante Fowler – OLB, Florida* 6-2 261 1st
3. Shane Ray – OLB, Missouri* 6-3 245 1st
4. Kyler Fackrell – OLB, Utah St* 6-5 245 2nd
5. Jordan Jenkins – OLB, Georgia* 6-2 246 2nd
6. Hauoli Kikaha – OLB, Washington 6-3 250 2nd
7. Vic Beasley – OLB, Clemson 6-2 235 2nd
8. Kris Frost – OLB/ILB, Auburn* 6-2 234 2nd
9. Eric Kendricks – OLB, UCLA 6-0 230 2nd
10. Markus Golden – OLB, Missouri 6-3 260 2nd
11. Lorenzo Mauldin – OLB, Louisville 6-4 243 3rd
12. Derrick Malone – OLB, Oregon 6-2 220 3rd
13. Tony Washington – OLB, Oregon 6-3 250 3rd
14. Eric Striker – OLB, Oklahoma* 6-0 221 4th
15. Zach Hodges – OLB, Harvard 6-3 235 4th
16. Dyshawn Davis – OLB, Syracuse 6-2 221 4th
17. Martin Ifedi – OLB, Memphis 6-3 265 5th
18. Jordan Hicks – OLB/ILB, Texas 6-2 244 5th
19. Devonte Fields – OLB, Trinity Valley* 6-4 250 5th
20. Junior Sylvestre – OLB, Toledo 6-0 222 6th
21. Paul Dawson – OLB, TCU 6-2 230 6th
22. Quayshawn Nealy – OLB, Georgia Tech 6-0 236 6th
23. Jermauria Rasco – OLB, LSU 6-3 262 6th
24. Travis Hughes – OLB, North Carolina 6-2 225 7th
25. Mike Hull – OLB, Penn St 6-0 232 7th
26. Nate Orchard – OLB, Utah 6-4 255 7th
27. James Vaughters – OLB, Stanford 6-2 254 FA
28. Geneo Grissom – OLB, Oklahoma 6-4 252 FA


ILB
1. Benardrick McKinney – OLB/ILB, Mississippi St* 6-4 245 1st
2. A.J. Johnson – ILB, Tennessee 6-2 242 2nd
3. Denzel Perryman – ILB, Miami 5-11 242 2nd
4. C.J. Johnson – OLB/ILB, Ole Miss 6-2 237 2nd
5. Hayes Pullard – OLB/ILB, USC 6-1 235 3rd
6. Ramik Wilson – ILB, Georgia 6-2 232 3rd
7. Jeff Luc – ILB, Cincinnati 6-1 251 4th
8. J.R. Tavai – ILB, USC 6-2 250 4th
9. Trey DePriest – ILB, Alabama 6-1 245 5th
10. Taiwan Jones – ILB, Michigan St 6-3 252 6th
11. Deterrian Shackelford – ILB, Ole Miss 6-1 252 6th
12. Tony Steward – OLB/ILB, Clemson 6-1 230 7th
13. Michael Taylor – ILB, Florida 5-11 227 7th
14. Jake Ryan – ILB, Michigan 6-3 235 7th
15. Stephone Anthony – ILB, Clemson 6-2 245 7th
16. Ben Heeney – ILB, Kansas 6-0 230 7th
17. AJ Tarpley – ILB, Stanford 6-2 238 FA
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Looking at your LB rankings I wouldn't mind wouldn't mind LB's Jake Ryan/Mike Hull/Paul Dawson in rs 5-7.

For DE depth I like Odihizuwa (I saw this guy when I was looking at Hundley ad this guy is player.) Chickillo and Anderson would be great depth guys.

Could you give me a scouting report on Mihalik, he seems like a great physical specimen.

How do you rate this very yrs DL class? I see a good class, but not a great class. Williams and Malcolm Brown are my 2 favorites. I feel that Oakman/Armstead/Edwards are very overrated. Dupree is very versatile and very underrated.
 
Mihalik has a huge frame but it can work to his disadvantage as he struggles with leverage. He is a limited athlete for a DE and has basically no pass rushing moves. He's also not nearly as strong as he should be considering his size. I don't see him as anything other than depth as a 34 end. Great frame though, if he could develop some skills he could have some real potential.

He has been a contributor every year at BC but hasn't been exceptionally productive. His first three years combined he totaled 54 tackles, 10.5 TFL, and 4 sacks.

This is his first year as a true starter and he has 24 tackles, 4.5 TFL, 3.5 sacks, and 1 INT so far this year.
 
steelbtexan said:
...How do you rate this very yrs DL class? I see a good class, but not a great class. Williams and Malcolm Brown are my 2 favorites. I feel that Oakman/Armstead/Edwards are very overrated. Dupree is very versatile and very underrated.
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It's a good class. There are some real studs but there are also a lot of guys who haven't lived up to what they are capable of.

Williams is elite. He is my #1 in this entire class. Goldman and Brown are difference makers in the middle. Edwards has all the tools in the world but probably not the necessary motor. McCarthy is another guy who is physically capable of much more than what he has shown in college.

I think Gregory is a little overrated as a college player but he is built for today's NFL. Oakman and Armstead should both be dominant college players but neither are. Dupree looks better every time I watch him. Very versatile player.

This class has a lot of guys who will be drafted high based on potential instead of production. Sometimes that works and sometimes you end up with Vernon Gholston.
 
Thanks for the work you put in to come up with these lists. I really enjoy the draft talk and truly value your opinion. You watch a lot more tape than I do. I usually watch 1 game a weekend and DVR another 1 or 2.

You have confirmed my thoughts on this class. I like last yrs class better than this yrs class.
 
bah007 said:
It's a good class. There are some real studs but there are also a lot of guys who haven't lived up to what they are capable of.

Williams is elite. He is my #1 in this entire class. Goldman and Brown are difference makers in the middle. Edwards has all the tools in the world but probably not the necessary motor. McCarthy is another guy who is physically capable of much more than what he has shown in college.

I think Gregory is a little overrated as a college player but he is built for today's NFL. Oakman and Armstead should both be dominant college players but neither are. Dupree looks better every time I watch him. Very versatile player.

This class has a lot of guys who will be drafted high based on potential instead of production. Sometimes that works and sometimes you end up with Vernon Gholston.
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Oakman has great size/speed and length with pretty good stats, I think in our defensive system and coaching would improve opposite Watt and Clowney on either side would benefit. Your thoughts? I feel he will be gone by our pick.
 
badboy said:
Oakman has great size/speed and length with pretty good stats, I think in our defensive system and coaching would improve opposite Watt and Clowney on either side would benefit. Your thoughts? I feel he will be gone by our pick.
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Oakman's size and athletic ability should make him a dominant college player, but he has never been one. That's a red flag.

Now, sometimes that is coaching. And honestly, with him playing at Baylor, I could see that being the issue. They aren't exactly known for coaching up elite defensive talent.

I think I actually have him rated higher than most do right now. But I think in the end we will all have him rated about the same. In regards to what he is physically capable of, he is a top five pick. In regards to where he is as a football player, I would say he is a fringe first round player.

I think he will be a top 12 pick. I also don't see him as a good fit for our defense. Despite his size, I don't think he will make a good 34 end. I think his best fit is on the strong side in a 43.
 
I like Edwards or even Goldman as players opposite Watt. Edwards fits more as a 3-4 DE than Goldman, but Goldman could be more successfully moved around. It would be tough to use a 1st rounder on that position in this particular offseason though.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I like Edwards or even Goldman as players opposite Watt. Edwards fits more as a 3-4 DE than Goldman, but Goldman could be more successfully moved around. It would be tough to use a 1st rounder on that position in this particular offseason though.
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What is it that you like about Edwards? Every game I see him in he makes a couple of tackles and bats down a pass here and there. For all of this supposed talent his motor appears to run on idle. Certainly not a 1st rd pick IMO, maybe a low 2nd rd pick.

Is this scheme related?
 
steelbtexan said:
What is it that you like about Edwards? Every game I see him in he makes a couple of tackles and bats down a pass here and there. For all of this supposed talent his motor appears to run on idle. Certainly not a 1st rd pick IMO, maybe a low 2nd rd pick.

Is this scheme related?
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FSU had been playing him as a stand-up LB most of the year (yes, a 300 lb OLB) but I think they finally moved him back to the line the last few weeks.

His motor is definitely an issue IMO. He has had some very disruptive games this year but they have been few and far between.

I have the same criticism with him as I do Oakman...1st round measureables but not 1st round production.
 
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