infantrycak
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I've been on the backside of polls before. Just not seeing this one. Totally could be wrong.
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
To me he was the Frank Ricard of QBs, not a elite performer but when it was time to take the most important test, he'd black out and spit out the most unexpected perfect answer in the clutch. Leaving everyone watching, how the **** did he just do that?
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Eli Manning is already #6 all time in passing yardage (51,682) and #8 all time in passing touchdowns (339). To go along with a perfect 2-0 Super Bowl record. Both wins came against the GOAT Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.
Not sure what eye test you're going by but Eli Manning can retire right now and he's a first ballot Hall of Famer. He's already had a long and productive NFL career (2004 to 2017). And he plans to play another four years he said. He'll move up on the all-time numbers even more. Passing Dan Marino for 5th all time in passing yards.
If he can win a third Super Bowl that's icing on the cake.
I understand your comment, Eli really seems to be more an all-time good non-great who played a really long time, but between the name, the market, and those two super bowls, I think there is more a question of how soon versus if.
He plays in New York and his name is Manning.
Check out Namath's stats.
Someday Eli will be in the HOF.
Wish I would have read this post before posting
And if we can keep our shiny, new QB upright (and call plays that use his strengths) we now have a legit shot to make our SB debut.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
No doubt!
'nuff said!
Eli faced down the GOAT QB and GOAT HC two times and came out on top both times.
If Namath can earn his jacket off one SB upset, Eli is sure to do it with two.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Right. He held the mighty Pats under 20 points twice and I forget how many of the 5 sacks of Brady he had in that 1st meeting, holding Randy Moss to 5 catches on 12 targets in (42), Gronk to just 2 catches in (46), Eli has GOT to be a HOFer.
Seriously though, yeah, he'll probably get in because of where he played and for being the QB for 2 SB wins over Brady/Belichick, but he is far from being one of the greats of the game.
And Namath's stats are a joke. I know it was a different era and all, but 50.1% completion percentage, and only 2 of his 13 seasons having more TD passes than INTs? Non-HOFers in the same era, John Brodie, Roman Gabriel and Ken Anderson, were way better QBs than Namath. Hell, Don Meredith was a better QB than Namath. But because he played in NY and was the QB on the team that upset the mighty Colts, he's in.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
I have no problem with eli in the hall of fame
Just sayin...
Just sayin...
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
Steelers Wire on USA Today (article). They discussed the five teams most likely to sign superstar running back, Le'Veon Bell, next off-season. #1 on the list were the Houston Texans.
#1 Houston Texans
The Texans will have $60 million in cap space next offseason which is the seventh most in the NFL. Houston has their franchise quarterback in Deshaun Watson. And DeAndre Hopkins is one of the truly elite young wide receivers in the NFL. Adding Le'Veon Bell would give their offense a balance they do not have right now and an additional weapon for Watson.
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I had asked a question about that possibility last week.
It appears the Texans will have the money to be in the mix.
#1 Houston Texans
The Texans will have $60 million in cap space next offseason which is the seventh most in the NFL. Houston has their franchise quarterback in Deshaun Watson. And DeAndre Hopkins is one of the truly elite young wide receivers in the NFL. Adding Le'Veon Bell would give their offense a balance they do not have right now and an additional weapon for Watson.
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I had asked a question about that possibility last week.
It appears the Texans will have the money to be in the mix.
Of course they will, but they wont spend that much $$$$ on any FA, or atleast that's been the McNair's history.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
New GM in charge. And Bob McNair will let his son take over full duties as the owner pretty soon due to health reasons. Not going to be the same as it was over the past sixteen years. Things are about to change in a really big way. Hopefully for the better.
In fact, I was told that 2018 will be Bob McNair's last year as owner.
Cal McNair is going to take over the team going into the 2019 season.
Hope you're right
I will believe it when I see it.
You know what they say about the apple not falling far from the tree.
Oh well, we've got the Wold Champion Houston Astros and a great Rockets team to root for.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
But have smarts, unlike the previous regime, not to pay big money for a player who has had such an extensive cumulative injury history, progressive through and to the end of last season.
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Clowney?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
This. Plus as a general roster building philosophy I don’t think you should spend big $ on a RB. The position can be filled competently with low round draft picks/UDFAs provided the rest of the offense is good... and if it’s not that high priced FA RB isn’t gonna make much difference anyway.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Wouldn't want an aging Bell.
RBs tend to fall off the cliff pretty suddenly and pretty inevitably.
RBs tend to fall off the cliff pretty suddenly and pretty inevitably.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Dupity Dupe
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yet He offered to make a average at best LT the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history...
So there's that conflicting fact.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Bell has at least 3-4 more good years under his belt. Sign him Gaines.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Not more than the NYG's.
What top tier FA's have the Texans ever signed in 15 yrs, besides McNair's fellow South Carolina alum JoJo? Dont give me Os.
In 15 yrs
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Well Os was one...they paid him so much damn money that they traded away 2 draft picks to get rid of his ass.
And I really don't give a **** what the Giants gave Solder..it still doesn't change the fact that the Texans offered to make him the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history.. also he signed in NY other than financial reasons, if he signed for money he would've signed here for less..last I checked New York has one of the highest income tax rates in the entire country. Frankly I'm glad Solder went to NY, he isn't worth the money.
Sorry, but your narrative doesn't fit. You're bitching about make believe bullcrap.
This isn't about Solder.
Look at the trends.
No narrative here, the facts are what they are.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
What trend..
You do realize that when we resign our own damn players, that's just like signing free agents right? Houston made Watt and Hopkins the highest paid at their positions..
And this IS about Solder, since you said that they aren't willing to spend money, yet they offered to make him the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history. I know you don't want it to be about Solder strictly, because it doesn't fit your narrative.
Again make believe bullcrap.
We aren't going to ever agree if you think the Texans have ever been major players in FA. Idont care what they offered Solder they couldn't close the deal. (Like ALMOST every other offseason.) When they failed plan Bwas to sign a bunch of cheap backup OL instead of taking that $$$$ and using it on another all pro OL like Norwell. Instead they chose to sit on 30 mil of cap space. I'm willing to wait a couple of more yrs to see how the new regime works before I pass judgement. I just hope the price the Texans org has to pay is notruining Watson's career like they did Carr's.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
badboy
Hall of Fame
I'm not fan of Bell and IIRC, $60 cap does not include rollover from 2018 which is approx another 30 m. Unless they sign Bashaud Breeland who had his recently signed 3 year $24 m deal cancelled due to injured left foot. Supposedly he had issues that foot years ago. Perhaps Doc can offer opinion on health. Another vet corner would help if he can play.
Corrected
This smacks of "po' boying" or buying off the clearance rack.
You're willing to settle for "competently" when you could have the best at his position.
This is a perfect example for Steelb's argument that, as long as the Texans don't make bold moves, they'll always be middle of the pack (or worse).
You're willing to settle for Alfred Blue ("competent", 6/7 rd pick) when you could spring for a real weapon like Le'Veon Bell, Todd Gurley, Marshawn Lynch, or an Ezekiel Elliott.
And nothing will help our sophomore QB like a real threat at RB and not just some JAG. Think how much better the R/P option would work with Bell as the threat and not Lamar Miller.
Texansballer74
The Marine
But the Texans have made bold moves that actually set this franchise back several times.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Exactly..
And the Texans TRIED TO SIGN Solder, so it's not like they sat on their hands and tried to do nothing..the man didn't want to sign here for other reasons.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I think Gaine and O'Brien handled this first opportunity just fine. They were missing picks in RD1/RD2 in the draft and had good cap space. The biggest problem this season was trying to get OT's that would be worthy of the money required to get them signed as UFA without dealing a crushing blow to their operating capital for 2018/2019.
If the draft and FA signings net them some solid performers this season.....then they hit a homerun and should have everything in place to really get some big answers to team needs come 2019. I'd like to see a winning season in 2018 first and foremost...if that yields a playoff visit, then great...if not, not the end of world but certainly sets the table for the 2019 off-season and draft.
The team has 5 picks in the first four rounds.....LT, RT, DE, QB and CB...1 of each please. FA could get a RB and CB if needed.....good one's at that.
If the draft and FA signings net them some solid performers this season.....then they hit a homerun and should have everything in place to really get some big answers to team needs come 2019. I'd like to see a winning season in 2018 first and foremost...if that yields a playoff visit, then great...if not, not the end of world but certainly sets the table for the 2019 off-season and draft.
The team has 5 picks in the first four rounds.....LT, RT, DE, QB and CB...1 of each please. FA could get a RB and CB if needed.....good one's at that.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This is a strange case. While in the Dominican Republic this past March 4, a golf cart ran up on the back of the heel of his foot and created a large cut. After repaired, the wound became severely infected and required a skin graft since a significant of tissue died as a result of the infection. As it turns out, he had also sustained a major trauma to the back of the same heel in high school...........a wound which also required a skin graft procedure to the area. After the graft was well-healed, he was able to performed well at Clemson.
We are not told if the skin graft is a partial thickness (thin) graft or a full thickness (thick) graft. Either way, a skin graft is not a very good durable coverage for the heel area. This type of coverage is prone to break down in this area. Many times, for a long lasting protective coverage, a thick flap consisting of skin, fat and fascia or muscle is necessary in order to handle the everyday trauma to which a heel is normally exposed.
We aren't told exactly when the infected wound was cleared of infection in order that a skin graft could be performed. Infection was reported in mid March of this year. Once the skin graft is performed, it could be anywhere from 3 to 9 months before the skin graft would "mature" and he could return to full practice. How long it would stand up to regular trauma this second time around cannot be predicted, but it is much more at risk than if a thicker reconstruction was chosen.
Too many variable factors to predict things accurately.........too many potential factors to place a cloud on his short-term or long-term future. But I certainly understand why he did not pass his physical, and why the Panthers did not feel comfortable with his contract.
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TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
When you are building a team there are some positions you have to spend less resources (draft/FA capital) than other positions. This isn't Madden where you get to add pro bowlers at every position.
RB just happens to be a position where a low round pick has a better shot of succeeding than other positions (QB for example). Take this past draft as an example. Jags selected Fournette 4th overall. Kareem Hunt and Alvin Kamara went in the 3rd... do you really think the Jags are better off picking Fournette with the 4th pick overall instead of adding a different premiere player (DW4 perhaps???) and a RB later?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Exactly, was just about to post this..
If the Jags took Mahomes or Watson, then Hunt in the 3rd we would be talking about a Jaguars SB maybe even more than one.
Instead the Jaguars are built more like the NY jets years ago with Blake "Sanchise" Bortles at the helm.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They're built like the Giants to me. Coach C will use Brotles as a game manager just like he did with Manning
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah, except unlike the Giants, they didn't beat New England.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
.....and Manning was always much more than a manager in the playoffs.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Remember he just got there. So it's remarkable that he already got them 1 game shy of the SB.
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They division is getting tougher and tougher.
AFC South is no longer the Little Sisters of the Poor.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Agreed. The Titans with a healthy Marriota will be tough to beat. A healthy Andrew Luck will make the Colts tougher to beat.
So Obrien and Co better come on with it
That example isn't applicable here.
First, your Fournette example is more ammo on my side. Do you think the Jags would have made the playoffs without Fournette to take pressure off of Blake Bortles?
Second, we aren't building (at least I hope to hell we aren't "building" ...do you think we're "building"?).
We're trying to find the final pieces to our puzzle. We have a promising young QB. We have a stud WR and another who could be if he can stay healthy. If Mercilus, Watt, and everyone else comes back fully healthy we have a solid defense. Probably top ten with RAC back in the saddle. All we're missing (besides O-line improvements) is a stud at RB (like we used to have with Foster). You're actually telling me that you would rather fill that spot with a 6-7th rd or UDFA "maybe" or keep limping along with Lamar Miller and Blue than improve the position with a proven commodity like Le'Veon Bell.
Look all I'm saying is if we don't get a stud RB in the next draft (and I'd love for us to find the next Alvin Kamara/Kareem Hunt) and Bell becomes available, I'll be disappointed if we don't at least make him an offer. I'm not a break the bank guy, but we should at least give it a shot.
badboy
Hall of Fame
i'm ok with tougher opponents as that builds Texans and perhaps keep them from doing the "Oilers thing" of playing down to lesser teams. On Breeland:
He has decent stats (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeBa00.htm) for being avg corner per PFF. He also had 10 kick returns 2017 for 208 yds. If prognosis is he can return to field sometime this season and if he agreed to a 3-4 year deal with no upfront or guaranteed money, i would offer him a deal. He turned 26 last January. Even if he cannot play until 2019 a vet minimum (2018) to hold him might be way to go.
He has decent stats (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeBa00.htm) for being avg corner per PFF. He also had 10 kick returns 2017 for 208 yds. If prognosis is he can return to field sometime this season and if he agreed to a 3-4 year deal with no upfront or guaranteed money, i would offer him a deal. He turned 26 last January. Even if he cannot play until 2019 a vet minimum (2018) to hold him might be way to go.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Breakfast: 10 storylines to follow at Texans camp
Sunday, Jul 22, 2018 08:06 PM
Drew Dougherty
In three days, the Texans hit the field for their first training camp practice of 2018.
The team leaves for The Greenbrier in West Virginia on Wednesday, and they’ll start work the next morning.
A lot’s different about the squad compared to this time last year, and there are many things to keep an eye on over the next month.
With all that in mind, for camp we’re offering up a super-sized version of our typical game preview, which is a mere “Five Things to Watch”. In no particular order, monitor these 10 things once camp gets going.
1. Watson’s reps: Deshaun Watson will be under center as the starter this go-round in West Virginia. A month ago, head coach Bill O’Brien explained the luxury in getting Watson those starters’ reps, and it’ll be fun to see what the second-year quarterback does with them.
During organized team activities (OTAs) and minicamp, Watson took part in 7-on-7 and individual drills, but was held out of full-team drills. That’ll change and he’ll get more work in the run-up to the regular season. How he’s managed in West Virginia will bear watching in late July and early August.
2.O-line shakeup: Three free agent signings and a few other additions via the waiver wire, the draft and rookie free agents have made for a drastic change from the 2017 offensive line. Left tackle will likely be manned by Julién Davenport, and Nick Martin is the projected center. But three new faces will probably fill in the guard spots and the right tackle position.
There will be some mixing-and-matching at times, and the five that start in Week 1 at New England might not be the first five on July 26.
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THE REST OF THE STORY
Sunday, Jul 22, 2018 08:06 PM
Drew Dougherty
In three days, the Texans hit the field for their first training camp practice of 2018.
The team leaves for The Greenbrier in West Virginia on Wednesday, and they’ll start work the next morning.
A lot’s different about the squad compared to this time last year, and there are many things to keep an eye on over the next month.
With all that in mind, for camp we’re offering up a super-sized version of our typical game preview, which is a mere “Five Things to Watch”. In no particular order, monitor these 10 things once camp gets going.
1. Watson’s reps: Deshaun Watson will be under center as the starter this go-round in West Virginia. A month ago, head coach Bill O’Brien explained the luxury in getting Watson those starters’ reps, and it’ll be fun to see what the second-year quarterback does with them.
During organized team activities (OTAs) and minicamp, Watson took part in 7-on-7 and individual drills, but was held out of full-team drills. That’ll change and he’ll get more work in the run-up to the regular season. How he’s managed in West Virginia will bear watching in late July and early August.
2.O-line shakeup: Three free agent signings and a few other additions via the waiver wire, the draft and rookie free agents have made for a drastic change from the 2017 offensive line. Left tackle will likely be manned by Julién Davenport, and Nick Martin is the projected center. But three new faces will probably fill in the guard spots and the right tackle position.
There will be some mixing-and-matching at times, and the five that start in Week 1 at New England might not be the first five on July 26.
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THE REST OF THE STORY
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Short answer...YES.
Just look at who we've made the players with when our defense was badass. Their only challenger in the division was the Titans last season and they still made it despite losing twice to them.
Leonard Fornette had a good first year, but it's not like it was earth shattering.. he had just over 1,000 yards, a 3.9 ypc average, and 9 TDs.
They would've made it if they took one of the promising young QBs and say Kareem Hunt in the 3rd round..they also would've been built for last season and for the next decade.
somehow the goalposts got relocated.
the point I was addressing was should the TEXANS make a play for Le'Veon Bell as an upgrade to Lamar Miller/Alfred Blue/un-named 6th-7th rd RB. I say 'yes' ....but IF we don't find one EARLY in the next draft (also if Doc is right and D'onta Foreman will never get right again).
Whether Jags w/o Fournette would have gone as far as the Jags with Fournette is a totally different discussion.
You say yes. I kinda doubt it.
And by the way, I was looking for the Jags to spend an early pick to replace Bortles myself. So we don't really disagree on that point.
But Coughlin (if you believe Steelb) decided to improve the ground game in order to take pressure off Bortles.