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DocBar said:
Can't wait for OTAs to start. This site is getting cabin fever.
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Cabin fever? I would more characterize it as dead. Other than my single thread, I haven't seen any discussion on the Texans' draft or our possible selections or any analysis of player profiles of those prospects we might target. Zero, zip, nada. I call this draft season a dead issue.
 
Number19 said:
Cabin fever? I would more characterize it as dead. Other than my single thread, I haven't seen any discussion on the Texans' draft or our possible selections or any analysis of player profiles of those prospects we might target. Zero, zip, nada. I call this draft season a dead issue.
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That's b/c this site has it's thinkers and then there are the critics who just sit around and wait to attack any discussion that involves ideas. The critics rarely share ideas. See, some forgot that this is just a message board....not the Texans Board of Directors, and therefore do their best to suck the living fun out of coming here and just brainstorming on how we "as fans" would do things.

In a better reality, find me a great place for breakfast (IHOP or Denny's), unlimited refills of Iced Tea (Coffee for the others who prefer this caffeine fix) and a few sports fans and I could sit there for as long as the next person discussing the Texans, Astros, Rockets, etc. The good thing about this method of discussion, it remains civil since we aren't hiding behind avatars and a keyboard.
 
The main reason that Texans draft talk is low is the simple lack of a 1st and 2nd round pick. That where 90% of all draft discussion centers.

If we are honest with ourselves, draft history tells us that in the third round there are going to be players who the draftsperts consider lock first/high 2nd rounders so-called dropping, and guys who are 5th round "talents' get pick in the 3rd. And that the real and internet scouting community has no idea which one is which. Just hard to have fruitful discussion about multi-level guesses.

For me, personally, I also had more enjoyable draft discussion when average message boards posters did not have s "draft board", needed to "look at the tape" nor cared that "they mocked" a certain player...not meant as a specific shot a single poster.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The main reason that Texans draft talk is low is the simple lack of a 1st and 2nd round pick. That where 90% of all draft discussion centers.

If we are honest with ourselves, draft history tells us that in the third round there are going to be players who the draftsperts consider lock first/high 2nd rounders so-called dropping, and guys who are 5th round "talents' get pick in the 3rd. And that the real and internet scouting community has no idea which one is which. Just hard to have fruitful discussion about multi-level guesses.

For me, personally, I also had more enjoyable draft discussion when average message boards posters did not have s "draft board", needed to "look at the tape" nor cared that "they mocked" a certain player...not meant as a specific shot a single poster.
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I think this draft presents a lot of interesting angles...mostly being that the Texans do not have a RD1 or RD2 pick. The draft is interesting b/c even though we're missing some important picks while trying to plug some very important holes, the draft is really deep in the teams areas of need. The talent may not surface in the first year (some will) but they should be contributors by 2019 and beyond.

Gaine, O'Brien and the scouts have their work cut out for them...find those late round gems and jump on those players that present answers but could've fallen in the draft for a number of reasons. Strategy is an interesting angle to discuss.
 
Number19 said:
Cabin fever? I would more characterize it as dead. Other than my single thread, I haven't seen any discussion on the Texans' draft or our possible selections or any analysis of player profiles of those prospects we might target. Zero, zip, nada. I call this draft season a dead issue.
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I'm not as into the draft as a lot of you guys, especially after the 1st two rounds. I'm just not interested enough or knowledgeable to make an educated guess or project a proper round selection for a particular player past that, so I'm not going to the draft forums much this year. In Texans Talk, it's been a bunch of bickering over the same old stuff for a couple of months now. That's why I characterized it as cabin fever. We need some new stuff to argue over.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I think this draft presents a lot of interesting angles...mostly being that the Texans do not have a RD1 or RD2 pick. The draft is interesting b/c even though we're missing some important picks while trying to plug some very important holes, the draft is really deep in the teams areas of need. The talent may not surface in the first year (some will) but they should be contributors by 2019 and beyond.

Gaine, O'Brien and the scouts have their work cut out for them...find those late round gems and jump on those players that present answers but could've fallen in the draft for a number of reasons. Strategy is an interesting angle to discuss.
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None of this is false, especially for those of us draftgeeks(I used to be really one, not much now), but an average fan (even on a message board) really wants know can this guy help us right now, especially at a position of need. Just not much buzz overtalking about moving up or down in the late 2nd to early 4th draft an OLmen who it is going to take 3-4 years before we know if got Branden Williams or Winston or Brooks or Spencer.

No matter, how much we think "know" about any of the guys taken in realistic range late 2nd to early 4th, there it is a pretty equal chance he is one of the four above..I mean remember Silo was widely thought to be the absolute best guard in the draft and worst would be Senio Kelemete...yikes
 
DocBar said:
I'm not as into the draft as a lot of you guys, especially after the 1st two rounds. I'm just not interested enough or knowledgeable to make an educated guess or project a proper round selection for a particular player past that, so I'm not going to the draft forums much this year. In Texans Talk, it's been a bunch of bickering over the same old stuff for a couple of months now. That's why I characterized it as cabin fever. We need some new stuff to argue over.
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It's been a bunch of bickering around here for the past 3 to 4 years.
 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nd-firing-decisions-based-on-anthem-protests/
I'm of the opinion that the toothpaste is out of the tube, but I would like to hear @infantrycak s opinion. I'm of the opinion that the toothpaste is out of the tube but also realize that the NFL is 32 individual franchises. Kind of interested in how the individual franchise aspect plays out against the NFL as a whole plays out. Personally, I believe that players now have a right to protest the anthem because of precedence. The NFL screwed the pooch, imo.
 
DocBar said:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...nd-firing-decisions-based-on-anthem-protests/
I'm of the opinion that the toothpaste is out of the tube, but I would like to hear @infantrycak s opinion. I'm of the opinion that the toothpaste is out of the tube but also realize that the NFL is 32 individual franchises. Kind of interested in how the individual franchise aspect plays out against the NFL as a whole plays out. Personally, I believe that players now have a right to protest the anthem because of precedence. The NFL screwed the pooch, imo.
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I think he goes a little out there on rights once granted can't be removed - jeans Friday? But it goes to the same result. If the league had immediately changed the rule without disciplining anyone, probably would have been fine.

But discipline is spelled out for both what the league and the teams can do. The only possible route are the catchalls "conduct detrimental to the league/team." With a rule that says "should stand" there's no chance for discipline. You can't punish for something explicitly permitted. And then with all the times the NFL acknowledged that was the rule after the kneeling, it's totally DOA to discipline without a rule change.
 
infantrycak said:
I think he goes a little out there on rights once granted can't be removed - jeans Friday? But it goes to the same result. If the league had immediately changed the rule without disciplining anyone, probably would have been fine.

But discipline is spelled out for both what the league and the teams can do. The only possible route are the catchalls "conduct detrimental to the league/team." With a rule that says "should stand" there's no chance for discipline. You can't punish for something explicitly permitted. And then with all the times the NFL acknowledged that was the rule after the kneeling, it's totally DOA to discipline without a rule change.
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That makes sense, but does it mean that a team that fires, or doesn't hire, an anthem protester is guilty of collusion? That's the overarching question. Franchises, as a rule, confuse me in these types of areas. Where does the Brand (league) stop and the franchise (team) start, outside of clearly defined CBA discussions?
 
DocBar said:
That makes sense, but does it mean that a team that fires, or doesn't hire, an anthem protester is guilty of collusion? That's the overarching question. Franchises, as a rule, confuse me in these types of areas. Where does the Brand (league) stop and the franchise (team) start, outside of clearly defined CBA discussions?
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Ok. There is a league agreement as well as the CBA. Between the two basically the rules are laid out. And then there is employment law...which is not my area, but I know it is generally a bad idea to ask about whether someone actually intends to use a permitted act.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The main reason that Texans draft talk is low is the simple lack of a 1st and 2nd round pick. That where 90% of all draft discussion centers.

If we are honest with ourselves, draft history tells us that in the third round there are going to be players who the draftsperts consider lock first/high 2nd rounders so-called dropping, and guys who are 5th round "talents' get pick in the 3rd. And that the real and internet scouting community has no idea which one is which. Just hard to have fruitful discussion about multi-level guesses.

For me, personally, I also had more enjoyable draft discussion when average message boards posters did not have s "draft board", needed to "look at the tape" nor cared that "they mocked" a certain player...not meant as a specific shot a single poster.
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I don't know but that I have to disagree to a point. There are several items worthy of discussion, for example, should our first four picks go all offense. I took the position, yes.

I then decided OC, QB and Running Back were the least of our offensive worries, but, even with our FA pickups, we still needed an OG, OT, TE and WR.

I then studied players from these three positions which I liked and which, after studying multiple Big Boards, seemed to fall in our drafting range. I came up with a short list of 11 prospects from which I had:
Branden Smith, OG at 68; Dante Pettis, Return Specialist/Slot Receiver @ 80; Brandon Parker, OT @ 98; and Dalton Schultz, TE @ 103.

Yesterday I ran across a 7 Round Mock Draft by NFL's Dane Brugler, which I posted in the other thread. He had Smith going at 67, Pettis at 99, Schultz at 107 and Parker at 111. So my list is more or less dead on target in agreement with Brugler

There will certainly be surprises on draft day, but still, one can make honest appraisals of where players are widely ranked and select targets for the Texans. I've got lots of flexibility in my short list, plus I've added a couple. So what do we have now, a week and a half?
 
Number19 said:
Yesterday I ran across a 7 Round Mock Draft by NFL's Dane Brugler, which I posted in the other thread. He had Smith going at 67, Pettis at 99, Schultz at 107 and Parker at 111. So my list is more or less dead on target in agreement with Brugler
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Historically, Brugler has been horrendous at predicting the draft

Right there with Kiper and most of the others
 
Number19 said:
I don't know but that I have to disagree to a point. There are several items worthy of discussion, for example, should our first four picks go all offense. I took the position, yes.

I then decided OC, QB and Running Back were the least of our offensive worries, but, even with our FA pickups, we still needed an OG, OT, TE and WR.

I then studied players from these three positions which I liked and which, after studying multiple Big Boards, seemed to fall in our drafting range. I came up with a short list of 11 prospects from which I had:
Branden Smith, OG at 68; Dante Pettis, Return Specialist/Slot Receiver @ 80; Brandon Parker, OT @ 98; and Dalton Schultz, TE @ 103.

Yesterday I ran across a 7 Round Mock Draft by NFL's Dane Brugler, which I posted in the other thread. He had Smith going at 67, Pettis at 99, Schultz at 107 and Parker at 111. So my list is more or less dead on target in agreement with Brugler

There will certainly be surprises on draft day, but still, one can make honest appraisals of where players are widely ranked and select targets for the Texans. I've got lots of flexibility in my short list, plus I've added a couple. So what do we have now, a week and a half?
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So what happens when the Texans draft 3 of 4 defensive players with those picks? or heck even 2 of 4 with one at a non-need position that you dismissed?

I think your post proves the point as to why many people are NOT interested in talking 3rd round draft picks and later pre-draft. I came to my conclusion after years of being a draftgeek and doing this and maybe more. I go back to when Mel Kiper was charging 20 some bucks for a hand typed (typewriter) draft guide that was ran-off on a standard copy machine, so this is an experience, not speculation.

I file deep draft discussion fun you (or me in the past) but largely not fun for most.
 
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JB said:
Historically, Brugler has been horrendous at predicting the draft

Right there with Kiper and most of the others
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Interesting article here.

Mock Drafters: 2016 Grades

2016 Mock Drafter Points Mike Mayock 126
Walter Football 81 aftsite.com 76
Rob Rang 64
Chris Burke 62
Mel Kiper/Todd McShay 60
Sporting News 55
Dan Brugler 52
The clear champion from 2016 was Mike Mayock, who pulled a Usain Bolt on the rest of the mock drafters and totally ran away from the field. He racked up more than 50% more points than his next closest competitor, which, to my surprise, was Walter Football. Mayock was correct on eight of the first 12 picks, which was almost twice as many as Kiper and McShay had in their entire first round mock.
 
DocBar said:
Interesting article here.

Mock Drafters: 2016 Grades

2016 Mock Drafter Points Mike Mayock 126
Walter Football 81 aftsite.com 76
Rob Rang 64
Chris Burke 62
Mel Kiper/Todd McShay 60
Sporting News 55
Dan Brugler 52
The clear champion from 2016 was Mike Mayock, who pulled a Usain Bolt on the rest of the mock drafters and totally ran away from the field. He racked up more than 50% more points than his next closest competitor, which, to my surprise, was Walter Football. Mayock was correct on eight of the first 12 picks, which was almost twice as many as Kiper and McShay had in their entire first round mock.
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Interesting....very interesting! Thanks for finding this info.
 
DocBar said:
Interesting article here.

Mock Drafters: 2016 Grades

2016 Mock Drafter Points Mike Mayock 126
Walter Football 81 aftsite.com 76
Rob Rang 64
Chris Burke 62
Mel Kiper/Todd McShay 60
Sporting News 55
Dan Brugler 52
The clear champion from 2016 was Mike Mayock, who pulled a Usain Bolt on the rest of the mock drafters and totally ran away from the field. He racked up more than 50% more points than his next closest competitor, which, to my surprise, was Walter Football. Mayock was correct on eight of the first 12 picks, which was almost twice as many as Kiper and McShay had in their entire first round mock.
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Confirms what most here already know that Kiper/Mcshay are no better than some people on this board doing this stuff for free. And in the case of the Texans they are even less qualified!
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
So what happens when the Texans draft 3 of 4 defensive players with those picks? or heck even 2 of 4 with one at a non-need position that you dismissed?...
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What happens? Strange question. We go into training camp with the players selected. For me, no big deal. I roll with the flow. After all, it’s only a game. Entertainment. Some here get too emotionally distraught and worked up.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Confirms what most here already know that Kiper/Mcshay are no better than some people on this board doing this stuff for free. And in the case of the Texans they are even less qualified!
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Confirms what the draftniks here and everywhere like to tell themselves. Y'all should prove it. Day before the draft, all the gurus post something, say a full 1st round. Do that each year and we'll see.
 
Number19 said:
What happens? Strange question. We go into training camp with the players selected. For me, no big deal. I roll with the flow. After all, it’s only a game. Entertainment. Some here get too emotionally distraught and worked up.
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The question points if you do all this pre-draft analysis, and they do something else, what's your reaction...you answered that clearly in my mind.
 
A Patrick Starr update:



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Prayers out to Patrick, and Kudos to Claire for being "there" throughout!
 
DocBar said:
I'm glad you like it. I'm trying to find a link that has a multi-year look at which draft analyst(s) are most accurate of a number of years.
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Rick Gosselin is one of the best... changed computers so don't have the link but I think it was Great Blue north that had one that graded the gurus over the past few years...

... I did find this
 
Here's Why You Should Draft My Brother, Armanti Foreman

Players Tribune
Dear NFL Coach,

Look, I know you’ve probably heard some things about my brother.

Armanti’s just another top recruit who never lived up to his potential.

He didn’t go hard enough in practice some days.

He needs to focus more and be more passionate about football.

That stuff is out there online. If you’ve looked into Armanti as a draft prospect, you’ve seen it. But, well, let’s just say I have a different perspective to share with you about my twin brother. And I know that you can’t see me right now, but I can tell you that I’m basically just sitting here shaking my head at how Armanti has been portrayed.

It really sucks how sometimes something gets said, and then the Internet gets ahold of it and it just snowballs. Then, in a matter of a day or so, someone can have his reputation tarnished forever.

All of a sudden, people see you differently from that point on.

It’s not right. And I don’t think it’s fair.

So I’d just ask you this one favor: If you’re looking for the real scoop when it comes to Armanti and his practice habits, and how much he cares about this game, please just hit me up and let’s talk. I’m not too hard to find, and I can tell you everything you need to know.
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The Rest Of the Story
 
He's a very "big boy".........

Texans inquire about 6-10, 270-pound Minnesota TE
By Aaron Wilson, Houston Chronicle

April 18, 2018

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Scouts consider the Gophers other tight end Nathaniel Wozniak a street free agent, but I disagree. Wozniak is a tight end in a tackle's body, measuring over 6-foot-9 and close to 280 pounds. He catches the ball extremely well and dominates as a blocker. I don’t believe Wozniak will be drafted but do think he has a real chance to make a roster as a third tight end.link

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Could be the sleeper TE we are looking for. With his size, he could also easily be a 3rd blocking tackle.
 
Saw this on reddit; jersey number changes/updates:

Houston Texans
Seantrel Henderson, 76, HOU
Aaron Colvin, 22, HOU
Tyler Ervin, 21, HOU (from 34)
Zach Fulton, 73, HOU
Senio Kelemete, 64, HOU
Ty Mathieu, 32, HOU
Jeff Allen, 71, HOU
 
PapaL said:
Saw this on reddit; jersey number changes/updates:

Houston Texans
Seantrel Henderson, 76, HOU
Aaron Colvin, 22, HOU
Tyler Ervin, 21, HOU (from 34)
Zach Fulton, 73, HOU
Senio Kelemete, 64, HOU
Ty Mathieu, 32, HOU
Jeff Allen, 71, HOU
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Hopefully they gave Ervin the new number with the message that this is how many days he gets in the preseason to show why we drafted him.
 
The fully pre-announced NFL marijuana testing period opens today and goes to early August! We will soon find out which players are destined to follow Darwinian's evolutionary theory of natural selection. :spy:
 
I got a kick out of all the analysts that did "redrafts" from last year that Deshaun Watson would be drafted #1 in hindsight and even with the early knee injury.
 
So if I am following the two separate threads correctly, copyright law which message boards are supposed to follow has not kept pace with the way information is consumed and shared with other posters.
 
So far nothing has happened in the off season to either lessen or increase my pessimism.

But I'll be so glad when the season starts anyway so we'll be closer to finding out who the QB is we haven't signed yet that will be the starter by the end of the season. OB averages 3 starting QBs a year, Watson included. I'm predicting the groan'ah'bility factor to be high.
 
this a random quote I will need at some point...i.e. largely teams maybe a business first and foremost

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/21/tanking-talk-leads-to-heated-baseball-debate/

The story caught my eye because of the clumsy, awkward, condescending manner in which Jeter handles himself, proving yet again that the mere fact that a person played a sport at a high level doesn’t mean he has any business running a sports team. It also underscores the reality that, regardless of the reason, a fundamental disconnect exists between the importance of making fans believe that winning is the only thing while also making decisions based on broader business considerations that sometimes run contrary to doing everything necessary to win.
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