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Just sorta hit me that, two seasons into their return to Los Angeles, the Rams are hosting a playoff game.

Sixteen seasons into their return to Houston, the Texans are...well...never mind.
 
paycheck71 said:
The Texans didn't return anywhere. They were an expansion team.
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And seriously we ought to be allowed to just ignore the Capers/Casserly years. The NFL over-reacted to the early success of the Panthers/Jags and pooched us...to which Capers & Casserly seemed to have an 'it's inevitable, lay back and take it' attitude. They were the poster children for building a monumentally untalented team.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
Excuse me...Sixteen seasons into the NFL's return to Houston...

But it's distinction without a difference: Sixteen years of mostly mediocrity, or worse.
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There most certainly is an obvious distinction. The Rams are an established NFL franchise that just changed cities. Their situation is nothing like the Texans'.

Also, if "hosting a playoff game" is the measure you chose, the Texans have hosted a number of playoff games.

Mediocrity? Yes. But the comparison with the Rams makes 0 sense to me.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
So you're saying the Rams should be better than the Texans because they got a 65-year "head start"?

Please.
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Cities don't play football. Teams do. There is no significance to them being 2 years in LA. They have sucked worse than the Texans for 15 years until this one.
 
The Rams had a great draft and participated in FA.

Quite a different philosophy than the Texans had last offseason.
 
Exactly.

You can throw in good coaching. And a willingness to shake things up. (Something the Texans' management doesn't possess.)

It's a much different approach. The Rams realize they're in the entertainment business.
 
steelbtexan said:
The Rams had a great draft and participated in FA.

Quite a different philosophy than the Texans had last offseason.
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Lol they had a coaching change but you hilariously try to spin it into a Texans analogy EXCEPT FOR THAT.

Were you calling Griffin a great 6th rd pick when he had 244 rookie yds same as the 244 rookie yds from 2nd rd pick Everett? Kupp looks good. 4th Rd Josh Reynolds did dick. Ebukam barely played. Smart played less. Rogers & Price are PS.

As usual you are just slagging the Texans without any facts.
 
Speedy said:
3 NFL championships in 81 years. 2 in their 1st 14 years.
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And those 2 were during wars.

I happened to have a lot of business around St. Louis 97-01. It's interesting/fun to see a town go low to high and get into a team so much.

So folks remember, especially the 'it will take years' crowd, 1998 the Rams were 4-12. 1999 the Rams were 13-3 and SB champions.
 
infantrycak said:
Lol they had a coaching change but you hilariously try to spin it into a Texans analogy EXCEPT FOR THAT.

Were you calling Griffin a great 6th rd pick when he had 244 rookie yds same as the 244 rookie yds from 2nd rd pick Everett? Kupp looks good. 4th Rd Josh Reynolds did dick. Ebukam barely played. Smart played less. Rogers & Price are PS.

As usual you are just slagging the Texans without any facts.
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Kupp and John Johnson started tonight. I would say Everrett would be the best TE on the Texans roster, certainly the most healthiest.

In FA they signed Whitworth/Sullivan for the OL, Woods in FA and Traded for Watkins. They fixed their WR corps in 1 yr by getting Woods FA, Watkins trade/Kupp draft/Reynolds who looked like a NFL WR in limited time when Woods got hurt.


On defense they signed Barwin and Webster who played well in FA and drafted a starter in Johnson.

They did all of this without a 1st rd pick.

You really trying to compare the jobs the Rams/Texans FO's did this yr? Your post is almost like an apologetic alcoholics. (I'll stop drinking after this drink.)

I dont know if you're being argumentative or just plain dont know what you're talking about. I mean one team went from one of the worst teams in the NFL to the playoffs, the other team went from the playoffs to the 4th pick in the draft. But I'm sure of one thing, you're mind wont be changed.
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno what the hell you guys are gonna do with your time with no more Rick Smith to kick around?
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B!tch about OB not being sent packing along with him .....


But back to Smith for a moment -

He's the guy who hasn't solved the Safety position since he became GM , had one good one and let him go in Glover Quinn.

He's the guy who has given us Crap at QB since Schaub got hurt .... and didn't do a damn thing to fix it until Watson. Five plus years of SUCK at the most important position in all of professional team sports.

He's the same guy who gave the Browns a second round pick to take The Blundering Wizard of Oz contract off the books then did nothing with the cap space .... when the OL sure could have used some help.

He's also the clown that signed The Blundering Wizard of Oz to that retarded contract ....

He's the guy who played hardball with the best OT on the team , sending him packing in a contract dispute when the weakest spot on the team is the OL.


He's the guy who let a top of the NFL OL fall apart and not replace them with any quality nor quantity ....

He's the guy who signed Breno Guacamole .... Worst OT in the entire NFL and then OB plays him every snap (they are both Nucking Futs).


Yep , gotta give him credit for a couple UDFA diamonds in the rough in Foster and Bouye ..... then he lets Bouye go to a division rival.


He's the guy who shoulda been gone after that dreadful 2-14 season , never been allowed a chance to give us another banner year like this past season's 4-12 record sending the Browns the #4 overall pick in the draft along with the #35 pick .... to go with their own #1 & #33 ..... 4 picks in the top 35.



Yeah , OB's ass shoulda been sent packing right along with him .... inherits a team a QB shy of being a real contender and does nothing with it while guiding the offense steadily down the rankings year after year. (Watson saved his job playing Madden on an NFL field for 6 weeks).
 
steelbtexan said:
The Rams had a great draft and participated in FA.

Quite a different philosophy than the Texans had last offseason.
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The head coach fixed the qb. You can talk of Robert Woods or Watkins or whatever else. The coach turned Gurley into a mvp candidate and Goff into a pro bowl qb. All else doesn't matter.
 
Watkins is a free agent this season. His price should be lowered due to his role in the Rams offense. I would love to get him in free agency to add to the Clemson connection.

Throw in Fuller and Ellington and we could be Greatest Show on Turf 2.0
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
Just sorta hit me that, two seasons into their return to Los Angeles, the Rams are hosting a playoff game.

Sixteen seasons into their return to Houston, the Texans are...well...never mind.
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Hey they didn't start from scratch in LA as x-spansion teams do, far from it as they brought a boat-load of talent with them from St louis.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
Just sorta hit me that, two seasons into their return to Los Angeles, the Rams are hosting a playoff game.

Sixteen seasons into their return to Houston, the Texans are...well...never mind.
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Didn’t the Texans host the Raiders last year in the playoffs?

What’s your point of 16 seasons? You forgot about the Bengals too?
 
TexansBull said:
Texans had a great draft. Got Watson.

Texans participated in FA.

What are you talking about?
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Texans didn’t “participate” in free agency until the comp pick formula went into effect. They literally did nothing untill well after the draft several months after free agency had begun and all the marquee names had been taken.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Texans didn’t “participate” in free agency until the comp pick formula went into effect. They literally did nothing untill well after the draft several months after free agency had begun and all the marquee names had been taken.
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Wrong. They were ready for a bidding war against Denver for Romo. They cleared space to sign him. When Dallas got wind they stalled releasing Romo.

I don’t know why this is ignored or out right not considered participating in free agency when they were going for the a big free agent.
 
TexansBull said:
Wrong. They were ready for a bidding war against Denver for Romo. They cleared space to sign him. When Dallas got wind they stalled releasing Romo.

I don’t know why this is ignored or out right not considered participating in free agency when they were going for the a big free agent.
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People like to make up whatever fits the narrative they want to believe.
 
leebigeztx said:
The head coach fixed the qb. You can talk of Robert Woods or Watkins or whatever else. The coach turned Gurley into a mvp candidate and Goff into a pro bowl qb. All else doesn't matter.
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Agreed, but without finding a LT to protect Goff and help open holes for the running game and getting WR's that Goff can throw too, Goff may have been better under McVay but he certainly wouldn't have been as good throwing to the likes of Austin/Britt.

You're post makes things seem much more simple than they really are.
 
TexansBull said:
Texans had a great draft. Got Watson.

Texans participated in FA.

What are you talking about?
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They participated if you call participating in the 3rd wave of FA with guys like Breno/Gilchrist. Meanwhile the Jags were adding Campbell/Bouye. Not all FA's are created equal and yes, IF and it's a BIG IF DW4 can stay healthy Ricky found his QB of the future. Although guys like Cunningham have the ability to be good I would've rather Ricky have spent draft capital on the OL like the Jags did picking Robinson.
 
Does anybody have the free agent list of offensive linemen? Who's out there that we can spend big money on? I want to sign at least two new starters on the offensive line. Like the Vikings did last off-season. They spent a ton of money shoring up their O-Line in free agency.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Does anybody have the free agent list of offensive linemen? Who's out there that we can spend big money on? I want to sign at least two new starters on the offensive line. Like the Vikings did last off-season. They spent a ton of money shoring up their O-Line in free agency.
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They spent $8 mil avg on one guy and $3 mil on the other so it wasn't a ton of money.

Just Google 2018 NFL free agents and you'll find several lists and rankings.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Does anybody have the free agent list of offensive linemen? Who's out there that we can spend big money on? I want to sign at least two new starters on the offensive line. Like the Vikings did last off-season. They spent a ton of money shoring up their O-Line in free agency.
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Agree.
Some talented experience and leadership on the line is much more preferrable than loading it up with 3rd round rookies.
It all starts in the trenches, so no skimping on the oline.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Agreed, but without finding a LT to protect Goff and help open holes for the running game and getting WR's that Goff can throw too, Goff may have been better under McVay but he certainly wouldn't have been as good throwing to the likes of Austin/Britt.

You're post makes things seem much more simple than they really are.
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It's that simple. Austin, Watkins, and the former can't miss Robinson has done nothing. The coach coached up the qb, and got rid of his leading wr and former high pick for a disappointing guy in Watkins, and re-used the struggling rb. Coaching matters alot
 
leebigeztx said:
It's that simple. Austin, Watkins, and the former can't miss Robinson has done nothing. The coach coached up the qb, and got rid of his leading wr and former high pick for a disappointing guy in Watkins, and re-used the struggling rb. Coaching matters alot
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Coaching does matter alot, but you have to put weapons around your QB for him to be able to have success and protect your young QB. GM's/HC's that are on the same page understand this.
 
steelbtexan said:
Coaching does matter alot, but you have to put weapons around your QB for him to be able to have success and protect your young QB. GM's/HC's that are on the same page understand this.
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Free agency forces at least a 25% turnover every year. Coaching and player development is at a premium. That's why the Pats system is so vital to your team. That's been the biggest problem for the Texans offensively. Every since Obrien and his staff has taken over, the offense has been garbage. It didn't look decent until Watson got in. Even with pick 6 Schaub, they put up 500 yds of offense vs a prime Seattle Seahawks.
 
steelbtexan said:
They participated if you call participating in the 3rd wave of FA with guys like Breno/Gilchrist. Meanwhile the Jags were adding Campbell/Bouye. Not all FA's are created equal and yes, IF and it's a BIG IF DW4 can stay healthy Ricky found his QB of the future. Although guys like Cunningham have the ability to be good I would've rather Ricky have spent draft capital on the OL like the Jags did picking Robinson.
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They were competing for the big free agent of the year. He ended up retiring.

Do we really have to do this again?
 
Texansphan said:
Agree.
Some talented experience and leadership on the line is much more preferrable than loading it up with 3rd round rookies.
It all starts in the trenches, so no skimping on the oline.
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Jujuan James is a high graded free agent as is Kline from Titans. Those would be my top 2 targets.
 
steelbtexan said:
Coaching does matter alot, but you have to put weapons around your QB for him to be able to have success and protect your young QB. GM's/HC's that are on the same page understand this.
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Some qbs take sacks because they're playmakers and some qbs just get sacked because they can't read quick enough. Big Ben ,Rodgers,and Luck are high sack guys because they hold the ball to make plays. Eli was getting sacked because his mobility sucked and he wasn't reading the defense. Flacco is a high sack guy also despite the oline he has. Carolina invested in Kalil who was pretty much a bust.
 
leebigeztx said:
Some qbs take sacks because they're playmakers and some qbs just get sacked because they can't read quick enough. Big Ben ,Rodgers,and Luck are high sack guys because they hold the ball to make plays. Eli was getting sacked because his mobility sucked and he wasn't reading the defense. Flacco is a high sack guy also despite the oline he has. Carolina invested in Kalil who was pretty much a bust.
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And sometimes the OL sucks or the WR's cant separate.
 
steelbtexan said:
Coaching does matter alot, but you have to put weapons around your QB for him to be able to have success and protect your young QB. GM's/HC's that are on the same page understand this.
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I think we all understand it’s a two-way street. Question is, was talent delivered, but coaching failed? Big investments were made on XSF, Allen & Martin. They were considered highly talented before coming here. Was the talent a mirage? Or coaches simply failed to develop that talent? Same can be said for guys like Ervin & both Millers.
 
leebigeztx said:
Free agency forces at least a 25% turnover every year. Coaching and player development is at a premium. That's why the Pats system is so vital to your team. That's been the biggest problem for the Texans offensively. Every since Obrien and his staff has taken over, the offense has been garbage. It didn't look decent until Watson got in. Even with pick 6 Schaub, they put up 500 yds of offense vs a prime Seattle Seahawks.
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They didn't identify and get their QB. (Even though it's been reported that BOB wanted Jimmy G. and Smith didn't get him for BOB. Ricky gambled Jimmy G would be there in the 3rd and was wrong.) You can disagree with this because we will never truly know. But it has been reported. Not investing in the QB position for yrs is what ultimately cost Ricky his job. Ricky then sold McNair that the Texans were a QB away from the SB and when this yr happened Ricky is gone.

Give BOB a healthy DW4 for a yr and fix the OL then you will see what BOB's offense looks like and your complaints want matter.
 
dream_team said:
I think we all understand it’s a two-way street. Question is, was talent delivered, but coaching failed? Big investments were made on XSF, Allen & Martin. They were considered highly talented before coming here. Was the talent a mirage? Or coaches simply failed to develop that talent? Same can be said for guys like Ervin & both Millers.
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Who is the guy that brought these guys in?

We will see how things turn out since the new GM and HC will be on the same page.
 
TexansBull said:
Wrong. They were ready for a bidding war against Denver for Romo. They cleared space to sign him. When Dallas got wind they stalled releasing Romo.

I don’t know why this is ignored or out right not considered participating in free agency when they were going for the a big free agent.
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And Romo retired at the start of free agency... then they sat on their hands.

And at any rate Romo was under contract... no official word the Texans or Broncos “participated”... if anything they were participating in a trade for a player. Not a free agent if you want to play the semantics game to fit your narrative.
 
steelbtexan said:
Depends on

1. Luck comes back effective and healthy
2. Can Watson comeback healthy and stay healthy
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Right now today, I’d take Watson over any QB in our division. If he’s on TEN or JAX, they easily win. Today...with a suspect knee. All being healthy and on current teams - Luck is close talent wise but team wise he’s on the weakest roster.
 
steelbtexan said:
Who is the guy that brought these guys in?

We will see how things turn out since the new GM and HC will be on the same page.
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OK, not sure why I expected an objective response from you... that was my fault.

In any case, I hope you're right. I don't have a personal dog in the fight, all I care about are wins. Now that Rick is out, I truly am hoping he's been the biggest reason for the Texans not taking that next hump to becoming a true contender.

There are just alot of things that BOB does with the OL that simply make me scratch my head.
  1. Jeff Allen was the 16th ranked guard in all of football in his last season with KC. He gave up ZERO QB sacks or hits that season. But when he comes to Houston, BOB moves him to the right side??? He has not played a single snap with the Texans at the very position he was successful at, which is LG. Huh?
  2. XSF was unanimously considered the top guard in the draft. He is far superior to run blocking compared to his pass pro. Typically, you stick those type of skills at RG. But BOB sticks him at LG where he constantly gets beaten on pass pro?
  3. Nick Martin is still young, so I let this one slide a bit. But we just had a very good season at center from Greg Mancz. Why not find ways to keep Mancz there and try Martin at guard? Even with the OL struggling as bad as they did, BOB never thought, "Mancz played well last season, I need to find a way to get him on the field."
  4. Bringing Breno to the Texans is on Rick and was a horrible idea. But IMO, what's even a more horrible idea was playing him at RT for EVERY offensive snap. WTF!?
Not to mention that one WTF game where BOB thought it was a good idea to have XSF play FB!?!?!

When it comes to the OL, I tend to side with Rick... just because I've seen him build a successful OL with Kubiak & Gibbs. Then combine that with these extremely odds moves BOB has done since he's been here.
 
dream_team said:
OK, not sure why I expected an objective response from you... that was my fault.

In any case, I hope you're right. I don't have a personal dog in the fight, all I care about are wins. Now that Rick is out, I truly am hoping he's been the biggest reason for the Texans not taking that next hump to becoming a true contender.

There are just alot of things that BOB does with the OL that simply make me scratch my head.
  1. Jeff Allen was the 16th ranked guard in all of football in his last season with KC. He gave up ZERO QB sacks or hits that season. But when he comes to Houston, BOB moves him to the right side??? He has not played a single snap with the Texans at the very position he was successful at, which is LG. Huh?
  2. XSF was unanimously considered the top guard in the draft. He is far superior to run blocking compared to his pass pro. Typically, you stick those type of skills at RG. But BOB sticks him at LG where he constantly gets beaten on pass pro?
  3. Nick Martin is still young, so I let this one slide a bit. But we just had a very good season at center from Greg Mancz. Why not find ways to keep Mancz there and try Martin at guard? Even with the OL struggling as bad as they did, BOB never thought, "Mancz played well last season, I need to find a way to get him on the field."
  4. Bringing Breno to the Texans is on Rick and was a horrible idea. But IMO, what's even a more horrible idea was playing him at RT for EVERY offensive snap. WTF!?
Not to mention that one WTF game where BOB thought it was a good idea to have XSF play FB!?!?!

When it comes to the OL, I tend to side with Rick... just because I've seen him build a successful OL with Kubiak & Gibbs. Then combine that with these extremely odds moves BOB has done since he's been here.
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Agree with you about the OL. Devlin should be fired. IMHO

I think you would agree that Gibbs found DB and brought in Myers who he knew from his days in Denver. Ricky made great picks in Spencer/Winston and picked up Wade Smith in FA.

But have you thought Ricky may have known how to evaluate the ZBS from his/Kubiak/Gibbs days in Denver and has no idea of the type of OL that BOB is looking for?
 
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steelbtexan said:
Agree with you about the OL. Devlin should be fired. IMHO

I think you would agree that Gibbs found DB and brought in Myers who he knew from his days in Denver. Ricky made great picks in Spencer/Winston and picked up Wade Smith in FA.

But have you though Ricky may have known how to evaluate the ZBS from his/Kubiak/Gibbs days in Denver and has no idea of the type of OL that BOB is looking for?
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OB has no idea of the OL that OB is looking for. OB is a smart guy who talks a good game and knows Xs and Os but has no creativity.
 
steelbtexan said:
I think you would agree that Gibbs found DB and brought in Myers who he knew from his days in Denver. Ricky made great picks in Spencer/Winston and picked up Wade Smith in FA.
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Just FYI.

Gibbs & Myers did not overlap in Denver. RS & Myers did.

Spencer & Winston were Kubiak picks in 2006 before RS became GM.
 
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