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The Texans always seem to be a year early or a year to late to the party. A condition that is caused by the Cogen Technologies Boardroom mindset and the tunnel vision of only seeing the season at hand. 2017 is a cornucopia of Free Agent QBs and Running Backs via the draft. Unfortunately the Texans hands are tied now after promising Osweiler and Miller $98 Million. The Texans could still draft a RB but the history of decisions coming from the recreation of the Cogen (Texans) Boardroom suggest that because of the Miller decision in 2016, RB is not on the agenda in 2017. :(


QB Index: The 2017 trade market/free agency guide
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-index-the-2017-trade-marketfree-agency-guide
 
The Texans always seem to be a year early or a year to late to the party. A condition that is caused by the Cogen Technologies Boardroom mindset and the tunnel vision of only seeing the season at hand. 2017 is a cornucopia of Free Agent QBs and Running Backs via the draft. Unfortunately the Texans hands are tied now after promising Osweiler and Miller $98 Million. The Texans could still draft a RB but the history of decisions coming from the recreation of the Cogen (Texans) Boardroom suggest that because of the Miller decision in 2016, RB is not on the agenda in 2017. :(


QB Index: The 2017 trade market/free agency guide
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-index-the-2017-trade-marketfree-agency-guide

So now it's ok to contemplate a trade with Belichick?


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And are the names on that list supposed to get my blood boiling? I'm seeing nothing but guys who will be either signed or franchised, or more retreads that haven't proven anything.
Didja notice how he threw the list over the fence but didn't put in his personal preference/recommendation for ANY of them?
LoL
 
Interesting stat on Brock's INT's:

Of his 6 picks in losses, only 1 has been converted into a score (1 TD). Outside of the SD game where he had 3 INT's (including the game ending hail mary and the converted TD), he has 3 INT's in the other 5 losses.

Of his 8 picks in wins, 5 have been converted into scores (3 TD's and 2 FG's).

One would think that those stats would be reversed.


These stats don't reflect the whole picture accurately................i.e., how often the INTs actually took otherwise anticipated points off the board for the Texans.
 
These stats don't reflect the whole picture accurately................i.e., how often the INTs actually took otherwise anticipated points off the board for the Texans.

Well of course. But that wasn't the point of my post.

From a purely analytical perspective, when a team is 7-6 with a QB that has thrown 14 picks, the logical assumption is that the statistics displayed regarding opposing teams capitalizing on those turnovers would be reversed.

I'm not defending Brock about anything. Not every post has an agenda. It's just a random observation in the random thoughts thread.
 
Well of course. But that wasn't the point of my post.

From a purely analytical perspective, when a team is 7-6 with a QB that has thrown 14 picks, the logical assumption is that the statistics displayed regarding opposing teams capitalizing on those turnovers would be reversed.

I'm not defending Brock about anything. Not every post has an agenda. It's just a random observation in the random thoughts thread.
You can be objective about everything on this board, but don't dare be objective about Brock Osweiler.
 
You are welcome to present facts that contradict my claim.
I promise I will be respectful and await your presentation.
I'm sorry, who are you and what's your claim again?

I commented on objectivity of Osweiler. If that objectiveness is trying to convince people that he's not as bad as he plays or his stats show, then you wouldn't know a fact if it were standing on your big toe.

If that's not you, my apologies.
 
I'm sorry, who are you and what's your claim again?
No need to apologise, I am not put out.
Why do you need to know who I am?
My original claim was you could be objective about everything on this board but not about BO.
To which you replied:-
"If by objective you mean ignoring how the man plays the game of football, then you can have your objectivity." Which is when I sai I prefer facts, to which you replied:-
"Needed that laugh."
To which I replied:-
"You are welcome to present facts that contradict my claim."
The fact that some people will jump down your throat the moment you try or even suggest trying to be objective about BO is ample evidence to my claim.
You are just one case in point.

I commented on objectivity of Osweiler. If that objectiveness is trying to convince people that he's not as bad as he plays or his stats show, then you wouldn't know a fact if it were standing on your big toe.

If that's not you, my apologies.
And that is the crux of the matter - some people are trying to portray him as absolutely hopeless which is in fact false. 7-6 in his first starting season in a new system objectively supports my side of the argument.
I give you the opportunity once more to be objective and present facts to support yours.
 
Aaron Wilson reports:

Indianapolis Colts rookie safety T.J. Green was fined $9,115 by the NFL for hitting Texans veteran kicker Nick Novak in the leg during a field goal Sunday at Lucas Oil Stadium.

Green wasn't flagged by officials for running into the kicker, but struck Novak in the leg.

Colts outside linebacker Erik Walden was fined $9,115 for an unnecessary roughness penalty committed in the game.

Texans offensive tackle Chris Clark was fined $9,115 for a facemask penalty. He's appealing the punishment from the league office.
 
Colts are dirty f***ers

I wont feel sorry for them when Luck goes down.

Screw the Colts

During the last Texans-Colts game, Luck further traumatized his right throwing A-C shoulder separation...........and added a right throwing elbow injury to the mix. I am sure that Luck will try to muddle through games until the Colts no longer have a chance for a playoff birth..........then he will get shut down..............sooner though if his arm falls off.
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Colts are dirty f***ers

I wont feel sorry for them when Luck goes down.

Screw the Colts

I really hope they hang on to him for the next 10 years & continue to let him "be him."

Dude absolutely got the talent & smarts to be one of the best ever, but the Colts are doing a piss-poor job developing him. & I don't just mean the lack of talent around him.

To me, he plays just like he did fresh out of college. He makes Bret Favre look like a Rhodes Scholar.
 
No need to apologise, I am not put out.
Why do you need to know who I am?
My original claim was you could be objective about everything on this board but not about BO.
To which you replied:-
"If by objective you mean ignoring how the man plays the game of football, then you can have your objectivity." Which is when I sai I prefer facts, to which you replied:-
"Needed that laugh."
To which I replied:-
"You are welcome to present facts that contradict my claim."
The fact that some people will jump down your throat the moment you try or even suggest trying to be objective about BO is ample evidence to my claim.
You are just one case in point.


And that is the crux of the matter - some people are trying to portray him as absolutely hopeless which is in fact false. 7-6 in his first starting season in a new system objectively supports my side of the argument.
I give you the opportunity once more to be objective and present facts to support yours.

The TEAM is 7-6, not Brock Osweiler. They won 9 games last year and the year before with a revolving door at QB. Not because of QB, but because they have a good TEAM. And I'd argue if they had better QB play to go along with this good TEAM they'd be winning 12 games or more, not 9, but that, of course, is just speculation, not fact.

Osweiler is not a better QB because he has more wins than losses. If that's your facts as to why Brock ain't all that bad, it's pretty weak. Tim Tebow is 8-6. Doesn't make him any good either. Drew Stanton 8-5, hell T.J. Yates is 4-3. I don't want any of those guys QBing my team. Brock has more wins than losses (right now) because his TEAMS have been good, good defenses, good run games. The TEAMS have carried him, not the other way around.

Brock's statistics are what they are. And stop with the first year in a new system BS. Excuses are not facts. There's been plenty of QBs go to new teams, learn new systems, and not look like total garbage. Fitz looked half-way competent in this system, Hoyer looked better than Os has. Dak Prescott is not only learning a new system, he is also learning the NFL game and looks a whole lot better than Brock.

And on the field, Brock has a long slow windup where that alone makes him late with the ball. Add to that him staring down receivers, and that's an easy pass defended, if not an INT, in this league.

DeAndre Hopkins has over 2,700 yards in 2 seasons with SEVEN different QBs throwing him the rock. His catch rate has gone from 58% with those 7 different QBs to 51% with Brock. He won't make it to 900 yards on the pace he's on with Brock. Don't sit there and lie to yourself and everyone else that that's on Nuk, that he's not getting separation, or the TEs are taking away from Nuk's targets, that's BS. Watch the damn games. He can't get the ball to Hopkins.

But you already know those FACTS. So I guess what I really don't get is why we even go through this exercise. I don't get the strange phenomenon of people feeling like they need to defend bad players. Why is it you see a player performing badly and can't call it like it is?

The TEAM'S W/L record doesn't make Chris Clark a better player, doesn't make Robert Nelson a better player and it damn sure doesn't make Brock Osweiler a better player. If you can't evaluate a team's performance separately from a player's performance, I don't know what to tell you.
 
The TEAM is 7-6, not Brock Osweiler. They won 9 games last year and the year before with a revolving door at QB. Not because of QB, but because they have a good TEAM. And I'd argue if they had better QB play to go along with this good TEAM they'd be winning 12 games or more, not 9, but that, of course, is just speculation, not fact.

Osweiler is not a better QB because he has more wins than losses. If that's your facts as to why Brock ain't all that bad, it's pretty weak. Tim Tebow is 8-6. Doesn't make him any good either. Drew Stanton 8-5, hell T.J. Yates is 4-3. I don't want any of those guys QBing my team. Brock has more wins than losses (right now) because his TEAMS have been good, good defenses, good run games. The TEAMS have carried him, not the other way around.

Brock's statistics are what they are. And stop with the first year in a new system BS. Excuses are not facts. There's been plenty of QBs go to new teams, learn new systems, and not look like total garbage. Fitz looked half-way competent in this system, Hoyer looked better than Os has. Dak Prescott is not only learning a new system, he is also learning the NFL game and looks a whole lot better than Brock.

And on the field, Brock has a long slow windup where that alone makes him late with the ball. Add to that him staring down receivers, and that's an easy pass defended, if not an INT, in this league.

DeAndre Hopkins has over 2,700 yards in 2 seasons with SEVEN different QBs throwing him the rock. His catch rate has gone from 58% with those 7 different QBs to 51% with Brock. He won't make it to 900 yards on the pace he's on with Brock. Don't sit there and lie to yourself and everyone else that that's on Nuk, that he's not getting separation, or the TEs are taking away from Nuk's targets, that's BS. Watch the damn games. He can't get the ball to Hopkins.

But you already know those FACTS. So I guess what I really don't get is why we even go through this exercise. I don't get the strange phenomenon of people feeling like they need to defend bad players. Why is it you see a player performing badly and can't call it like it is?

The TEAM'S W/L record doesn't make Chris Clark a better player, doesn't make Robert Nelson a better player and it damn sure doesn't make Brock Osweiler a better player. If you can't evaluate a team's performance separately from a player's performance, I don't know what to tell you.
Last time I fact checked, Brock Osweiler was a member of this TEAM. I just don't know what to tell you.
Not once have I said he has been good. Obviously he could have better stats, but so could some higher profile QB's on other teams.
I am fed up with the QB carousel. It's about time we let a guy settle in and gel with the team.
O'Brien has chosen a complicated system and now we all have to live with it until he goes. NO rookie is going to come in here and do a better job with the same amount of playing time which is why Texans went after someone who has been around the league for a few years.
So until a new regime comes in here with a better system, there is absolutely no point in chopping and changing every time a QB looks like he is struggling with a system. O'Brien's system obviously takes time to learn so leave the players learn it.
Anyone would think we were 2-11 with all the belly-aching around here.
Get over it.
 
I don't get the strange phenomenon of people feeling like they need to defend bad players. Why is it you see a player performing badly and can't call it like it is?

I won't speak for him. For me, I'm more like, "what did you expect?"

We all agree he didn't play well enough in his seven games last year to warrant the contract we offered him. Why would we expect him to play better this season? & while Dak is having a heck of a season, from our perspective, there is a conversation about benching him because he's not really doing that well.

The only real positive he showed last season was a mental toughness to make plays against the good teams when it mattered. That's the only reason I can imagine the Texans signed him. The rest, I assume they thought they could teach him.


The TEAM'S W/L record doesn't make Chris Clark a better player, doesn't make Robert Nelson a better player and it damn sure doesn't make Brock Osweiler a better player. If you can't evaluate a team's performance separately from a player's performance, I don't know what to tell you.


Funny you should say that. I've been saying if you watch Brock's play over the last seven games or so, he don't look bad. He looks composed, mostly makes good decisions, shows decent pocket presence & he's fairly accurate (yeah, I said it). Then he's made a handful of really, really good throws each game.

What he's good at doesn't show up in stats, not yet. Things like when he's making those good throws as opposed to how many good throws he makes.

I'm not saying he's going to be good. I'm saying if I were O'b, I wouldn't give up on him yet. I might be disappointed with where he is at this time, but I'd be fairly confident I can get him where i said I could.... if I were Bill O'Brien.
 
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NO rookie is going to come in here and do a better job with the same amount of playing time which is why Texans went after someone who has been around the league for a few years.

Speculation, not fact.

Anyone would think we were 2-11 with all the belly-aching around here.
Get over it.

It's a message board. We talk about the team, good and bad, the players, good and bad. Don't like the bad when it's there and being talked about, don't read. Or get over it.

Funny you should say that. I've been saying if you watch Brock's play over the last seven games or so, he don't look bad. He looks composed, mostly makes good decisions, shows decent pocket presence & he's fairly accurate (yeah, I said it). Then he's made a handful of really, really good throws each game.

What he's good at doesn't show up in stats, not yet. Things like when he's making those good throws as opposed to how many good throws he makes.

As I've said before, QBs can make the throws. From Brady to Rivers to Cutler to Gabbert to the clipboard holders, you're not on an NFL roster if you can't make the throws. Osweiler had that BEAUTIFUL threaded needle pass to Fido against the Colts. He's had others. The problem is, those throws are few and far between. The difference between Brady and Rivers and Gabbert and clipboard holders is how consistent you are with those throws.

Personally, I don't see the good decision making and accuracy that you say you do, but if you see Brock with good pocket presence and composure, that's fine. It kind of makes it worse for him though that he has that and is still as inconsistent and inaccurate as he is.

And his inaccuracy isn't just in the numbers. Even when he completes a pass, more often than not it seems, it's behind the receiver or somewhere where the receiver has to break stride. Nuk had a catch like that real recently where he might have had a pretty big gain, maybe TD, if he'd been led, but he had to literally spin back around from where his momentum was taking him to make the catch, thus tackled at the catch. And how many back hip, back shoulder throws has he made? I can't recall one. Well, not one that wasn't picked off, that is.

I would love for Brock to come out Sunday, put up 4 TD, hit receivers in stride, get the ball to Nuk, and at the very least, show a sign that he can do this. Have one freaking big game for a change. He hasn't done that. And no, a 2 drives late in a football game against the Colts moment isn't that sign. Even Jake Locker had moments like that.
 
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Yep speedy..one can see how hard it is in the nfl.there is i thin line between being good and bad.

We saw schaub going from good (not great) to just a pick 6 machine
 
The problem is, those throws are few and far between. The difference between Brady and Rivers and Gabbert and clipboard holders is how consistent you are with those throws.

I agree. right now, we know he isn't Brady. I don't think he's Gabbert. Let's see where he ends up.

And his inaccuracy isn't just in the numbers. Even when he completes a pass, more often than not it seems, it's behind the receiver or somewhere where the receiver has to break stride.

I agree again. However, you make it sound as if every throw every other QB makes is perfect. I don't believe that's true. the good ones are more consistent, but I thought we already established that.

I would love for Brock to come out Sunday, put up 4 TD, hit receivers in stride, get the ball to Nuk, and at the very least, show a sign that he can do this. Have one freaking big game for a change. He hasn't done that. And no, a 2 drives late in a football game against the Colts moment isn't that sign. Even Jake Locker had moments like that.

& I think this is where I differ from most. I don't care what his stats are at the end of the day. I'm watching Brock develop into a game manager the way Brady & Roethlisberger did their first three or four seasons in the league. Learn to manage the game, learn to win. Same with Russell Wilson.

Granted all those guys had less time in the league & looked "better" than Brock does now. But it seems, to me anyway, they had more play makers on both sides of the ball.
 
Speculation, not fact.
Obviously



It's a message board. We talk about the team, good and bad, the players, good and bad. Don't like the bad when it's there and being talked about, don't read. Or get over it.
Then you should practice what you preach - iow, allow others to have their opinions.



As I've said before, QBs can make the throws. From Brady to Rivers to Cutler to Gabbert to the clipboard holders, you're not on an NFL roster if you can't make the throws. Osweiler had that BEAUTIFUL threaded needle pass to Fido against the Colts. He's had others. The problem is, those throws are few and far between. The difference between Brady and Rivers and Gabbert and clipboard holders is how consistent you are with those throws.
This list is interesting.
Consistency hasn't helped the guy on top of the list
Personally, I don't see the good decision making and accuracy that you say you do, but if you see Brock with good pocket presence and composure, that's fine. It kind of makes it worse for him though that he has that and is still as inconsistent and inaccurate as he is.
Speculation, not fact.
Please show where I said this.

And his inaccuracy isn't just in the numbers. Even when he completes a pass, more often than not it seems, it's behind the receiver or somewhere where the receiver has to break stride. Nuk had a catch like that real recently where he might have had a pretty big gain, maybe TD, if he'd been led, but he had to literally spin back around from where his momentum was taking him to make the catch, thus tackled at the catch. And how many back hip, back shoulder throws has he made? I can't recall one. Well, not one that wasn't picked off, that is.
This is why I said he needs time to gel.
59.7% is not the worst in the league - career he is 60.3%

I would love for Brock to come out Sunday, put up 4 TD, hit receivers in stride, get the ball to Nuk, and at the very least, show a sign that he can do this. Have one freaking big game for a change. He hasn't done that. And no, a 2 drives late in a football game against the Colts moment isn't that sign. Even Jake Locker had moments like that.
I fail to see why not.
There was no "prevent defense", it was in the oilcan, with playoff implications.
I would also love to see some better encouraging signs - but in the meantime, I won't be so hard to please.
 
Take your almost worst completion percentage and add to that worst yards per pass thrown and your equaling a pretty bad player.

Throws short AND can't complete them.
 
Take your almost worst completion percentage and add to that worst yards per pass thrown and your equaling a pretty bad player.

Throws short AND can't complete them.

True enough. now the question is can O'b make him better, or is this who he is. I understand leaning towards this is who he is & wanting to move on.

But they practically said they can make something out of him in two years. I feel like they're going to stick to their guns, at least through 14 games.
 
Take your almost worst completion percentage and add to that worst yards per pass thrown and your equaling a pretty bad player.

Throws short AND can't complete them.

Actually he is 83% on throws behind the LOS, and 69% on throws of 1-10 yards. Where his stats are bad are anything thrown beyond 10 yards. This is the reason he has a low YPP.

He can't be both a check-down king and also can't throw short. We need to make up our minds why we hate him.
 
Last time I fact checked, Brock Osweiler was a member of this TEAM.

Get over it.

You mean like Charles James? He was also on this TEAM but he wasn't really good and after the last of his multiple screw ups this season the front office dropped some the dead weight and cut him. The same would apply to osweiler if it weren't for the albatross of a contract he was signed to - see Ryan Mallett. Production wise mallet and Osweiler are equally inept. Osweiler has a bigger contract, a better teammate and has mastered the ancient art of alarm clocks. Aside from that he'll get dropped as soon as cutting him isn't and cost prohibitive towards the salary cap.
 
You mean like Charles James? He was also on this TEAM but he wasn't really good and after the last of his multiple screw ups this season the front office dropped some the dead weight and cut him. The same would apply to osweiler if it weren't for the albatross of a contract he was signed to - see Ryan Mallett. Production wise mallet and Osweiler are equally inept. Osweiler has a bigger contract, a better teammate and has mastered the ancient art of alarm clocks. Aside from that he'll get dropped as soon as cutting him isn't and cost prohibitive towards the salary cap.
Agree with what you say about Charles James.
 
Actually he is 83% on throws behind the LOS, and 69% on throws of 1-10 yards. Where his stats are bad are anything thrown beyond 10 yards. This is the reason he has a low YPP.

He can't be both a check-down king and also can't throw short. We need to make up our minds why we hate him.

Those seem pretty low to me, where did you get those stats so I can see where that ranks vs real NFL qbs?
 
This would piss me off! It's not like he's a star player making boatloads of cash. He's on a 4 year 2.5 million/year contract. And not many 5th round picks see all 4 years of that deal. That's like sticking one of us normal folks with a 1k tab at a company luncheon!!!
 
Hypothetical scenario:
Texans continue to embrace mediocrity and the fans attendance wanes over the next couple of seasons.
Do you think McNair would move the team to say, San Antonio?

McNair isn't going to move the team. He sell's out every game and is in a big TV Market. That is everything.
 
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