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Double Barrel

Clown Hunter
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You could be right, but hopefully Caserio changes the 'culture' including keeping the Mcnairs out of it
As long as they have Easterby as 'culture czar', it'll be a toxic place to work. Nobody wants to stay in a toxic work environment.

Then there is the clear lack of direction by hiring a head coach that doesn't know his way around basic game strategy, much less have a long term vision.

I'm hoping you are right that Caserio is not only in charge, but also has a long term vision toward success. Only time will tell.

I don't have any confidence that the McNairs will stop being the McNairs, though.

There have been too many of their flubs at this point for me to believe otherwise. “History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes” ~ Mark Twain. lol
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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As long as they have Easterby as 'culture czar', it'll be a toxic place to work. Nobody wants to stay in a toxic work environment.

Then there is the clear lack of direction by hiring a head coach that doesn't know his way around basic game strategy, much less have a long term vision.

I'm hoping you are right that Caserio is not only in charge, but also has a long term vision toward success. Only time will tell.

I don't have any confidence that the McNairs will stop being the McNairs, though.

There have been too many of their flubs at this point for me to believe otherwise. “History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes” ~ Mark Twain. lol
Just to comfort you I think that next yr will be Culley's last yr on Kirby and McDaniels will join his best friend and brother down on Kirby.

I get why you think this will go bad. Because the McNair's are involved, but if Cal's truly let Caserio take over the football operations side things should start to look alot better in a couple of yrs. We can only as fans hope this happens and that Cal keeps his fat fingers out of the football side of the operation.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller

Texansphan

All Pro
Like I said, no issue with it, unless...

Sure that’s what we expect, but that and what the Texans actually do are 2 different things.
One thing in our (fans) favour, is we have a different GM at the helm who so far has given us reason to hope that logic has returned to this organizations decision making.
Now we just have to wait and see.
 
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IDEXAN

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Just to comfort you I think that next yr will be Culley's last yr on Kirby and McDaniels will join his best friend and brother down on Kirby.

I get why you think this will go bad. Because the McNair's are involved, but if Cal's truly let Caserio take over the football operations side things should start to look alot better in a couple of yrs. We can only as fans hope this happens and that Cal keeps his fat fingers out of the football side of the operation.
I think that the McNares are committed to Casserio. Actually honestly speaking I can't say I 100% believe that because I don't know it for a fact, but I desperately want to believe because I do know it's the best thing for the success of the Texans organization. Just hoping the McNaes also realize that.
Can you imagine how Casserio must feel now. Sure of course he had to be initially shocked and very dissappointed by the "Watson situation"
however he's likely long sense accepted that as one more challenge, and also the potential opportunity of a large number of additional high Draft picks its given him.
His whole NFL career he's been under the thumb of a legend, but now he's the man, he's the one making the decisions. This is his team, his to mold and shape and develope, and he's essential taking it from scratch. This will probably be the greatest challenge of his professional career. Oh BTW while he's doing this he's also being very well financially compensated. Life is good for young Mr. Casserio !
 

steelbtexan

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I think that the McNares are committed to Casserio. Actually honestly speaking I can't say I 100% believe that because I don't know it for a fact, but I desperately want to believe because I do know it's the best thing for the success of the Texans organization. Just hoping the McNaes also realize that.
Can you imagine how Casserio must feel now. Sure of course he had to be initially shocked and very dissappointed by the "Watson situation"
however he's likely long sense accepted that as one more challenge, and also the potential opportunity of a large number of additional high Draft picks its given him.
His whole NFL career he's been under the thumb of a legend, but now he's the man, he's the one making the decisions. This is his team, his to mold and shape and develope, and he's essential taking it from scratch. This will probably be the greatest challenge of his professional career. Oh BTW while he's doing this he's also being very well financially compensated. Life is good for young Mr. Casserio !
Great post
 

mws

Rookie
It's funny how things work out. For all the talk about what a tough schedule we had last year we actually played more teams with a > 500 record this year.

2020: 7 Games with Opponents with 500 or Less Record.
Vikings
Jaguars
Jaguars
Patriots
Lions
Bears
Bengals

2021: 6 Games with Opponents with 500 or Less Record.
Jaguars
Browns
Panthers
Jets
Seahawks
Jaguars
 

TheRealJoker

Hall of Fame
It's funny how things work out. For all the talk about what a tough schedule we had last year we actually played more teams with a > 500 record this year.

2020: 7 Games with Opponents with 500 or Less Record.
Vikings
Jaguars
Jaguars
Patriots
Lions
Bears
Bengals

2021: 6 Games with Opponents with 500 or Less Record.
Jaguars
Browns
Panthers
Jets
Seahawks
Jaguars
And played one more game against tougher opponents…
 

OptimisticTexan

2022 Rebuilding Block 2 / Go Texans
Remember the guy on Twitter that had the signs telling Cal to sell the team, etc.? ….
Well, he was NOT allowed in the stadium today. Security was waiting on him and didn’t let him in the game
Man, they should’ve been happy that anyone showed up at all. The Texans should’ve had a promotion offering each fan 2- poster boards and a 2-pack of markers that include 1-Red and 1-Blue marker. Then every paying fan could’ve made their sentiments known to Cal during the game.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Man, they should’ve been happy that anyone showed up at all. The Texans should’ve had a promotion offering each fan 2- poster boards and a 2-pack of markers that include 1-Red and 1-Blue marker. Then every paying fan could’ve made their sentiments known to Cal during the game.
Mrs. McNair doesn't want the negative attention. I think she is very upset at the uproar DW has caused. I also feel strongly that she had the Andre Johnson reconciliation accomplished.
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
On 610 they made a comment about fan discontent and attendance, so I got curious. Don't know if this is ticket sales or actual attendance, but the Texans average attendance is ranked right in the middle at #17, at home. Their average road attendance drops to #28. Their overall total average is at #22.

Way back during the first half of the season, in a conversation about the Texans decline in attendance, I made the comment that attendance was down league wide and the Texans' situation was not unique.

I think these numbers put to rest the argument that discontent with Easterby and Texans management has a major impact on Texans fandom.

 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
Mrs. McNair doesn't want the negative attention. I think she is very upset at the uproar DW has caused. I also feel strongly that she had the Andre Johnson reconciliation accomplished.
I can’t tell because they’re still paying Watson who brought them nothing but negative attention.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
I hope people are going to hold the Texans to a higher standard in years to come but I can't help but wonder how much COVID has skewed attendance numbers as opposed to ticket sales.
I think the cost at the concession stand have more to do it. Parking too. You spend a small fortune going. Forget about taking family. Take a picture and send a postcard “wish you were here.”
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
On 610 they made a comment about fan discontent and attendance, so I got curious. Don't know if this is ticket sales or actual attendance, but the Texans average attendance is ranked right in the middle at #17, at home. Their average road attendance drops to #28. Their overall total average is at #22.

Way back during the first half of the season, in a conversation about the Texans decline in attendance, I made the comment that attendance was down league wide and the Texans' situation was not unique.

I think these numbers put to rest the argument that discontent with Easterby and Texans management has a major impact on Texans fandom.

If the Texans numbers are any indication, that's tickets sold and not actual butts in seats. So those numbers don't actually tell you much of anything.

In the Texans case though, from 2002 - 2019, they NEVER had a game where the attendance (tickets sold) was under 70,000. This year I don't believe they had 1 single home game with 70,000+ as the official attendance. They went from 71,000+ every single game for every single season, to averaging 66,000 and change this year. I think that's pretty significant, especially when you consider those 5,000 or so who knew the significant investment on their PSLs they were going to lose if they dropped their tickets, and did it anyway.
 

Double Barrel

Clown Hunter
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If the Texans numbers are any indication, that's tickets sold and not actual butts in seats. So those numbers don't actually tell you much of anything.

In the Texans case though, from 2002 - 2019, they NEVER had a game where the attendance (tickets sold) was under 70,000. This year I don't believe they had 1 single home game with 70,000+ as the official attendance. They went from 71,000+ every single game for every single season, to averaging 66,000 and change this year. I think that's pretty significant, especially when you consider those 5,000 or so who knew the significant investment on their PSLs they were going to lose if they dropped their tickets, and did it anyway.
Yep. For anyone paying attention, they were never close to 66,000+ people in attendance at any home game this season. Maybe 10,000-20,000 on a good day in 2021. I've got pictures via text from 4-5 home games from family/friends and that place was virtually empty, and half of those in attendance were opposing team fans.

And for the first time in two decades, there are no waiting lists for season tickets and there are many available all over NRG.

But, folks can continue to run with their little fantasy narrative about the failures of the front office having no impact on fan attendance or attitudes. They are just fooling themselves.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
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On 610 they made a comment about fan discontent and attendance, so I got curious. Don't know if this is ticket sales or actual attendance, but the Texans average attendance is ranked right in the middle at #17, at home. Their average road attendance drops to #28. Their overall total average is at #22.

Way back during the first half of the season, in a conversation about the Texans decline in attendance, I made the comment that attendance was down league wide and the Texans' situation was not unique.

I think these numbers put to rest the argument that discontent with Easterby and Texans management has a major impact on Texans fandom.

I also think the Derrick fanboys have alot to do with the declining attendance. With Covid, the Chargers game is the only game I've been too in 2 to yrs and I wouldn't have gone to that game, except I got the chance to go to a game with Beerlover. had a great time.

Bottom line is, if the Texans win the fans will be back.
 
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steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Yep. For anyone paying attention, they were never close to 66,000+ people in attendance at any home game this season. Maybe 10,000-20,000 on a good day in 2021. I've got pictures via text from 4-5 home games from family/friends and that place was virtually empty, and half of those in attendance were opposing team fans.

And for the first time in two decades, there are no waiting lists for season tickets and there are many available all over NRG.

But, folks can continue to run with their little fantasy narrative about the failures of the front office having no impact on fan attendance or attitudes. They are just fooling themselves.
Covid, Losing Watt/Derrick/Hopkins/declining economy hurt them

What hurt them the most is Covid, Long time season ticketholders like myself kinda liked being able to get up late on a Sunday morning and talk to friends (Some MB members here) about the game and then having a few friends over to watch the games where you could rewind and re-watch plays. Plus having the Sunday Ticket we could watch multiple games. Also you grill up some food and the beer is much cheaper. BTW, I drink the higher end beers and they're still way cheaper. Thanks Beerlover!!!!
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
Yep. For anyone paying attention, they were never close to 66,000+ people in attendance at any home game this season. Maybe 10,000-20,000 on a good day in 2021. I've got pictures via text from 4-5 home games from family/friends and that place was virtually empty, and half of those in attendance were opposing team fans.

And for the first time in two decades, there are no waiting lists for season tickets and there are many available all over NRG.

But, folks can continue to run with their little fantasy narrative about the failures of the front office having no impact on fan attendance or attitudes. They are just fooling themselves.
One, you are not calculating in the impact Covid had on attendance, nor do you actually have any means of doing so.

And two, if they are selling tickets, how much does it matter if people actually attend. Other than impacting concessions and parking.

If I was really interested, I could research the numbers for pre-covid, say 2019.

Let's see,, Watson didn't happen until this year. So any Easterby impact would have been minimal in 2020. Therefore any reduction in attendence in 2020 could legitimately be from Covid. It would be interesting to compare the numbers from 2020 to those from 2019.

And if you are correct, the numbers for next year will be very telling.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
One, you are not calculating in the impact Covid had on attendance, nor do you actually have any means of doing so.

And two, if they are selling tickets, how much does it matter if people actually attend. Other than impacting concessions and parking.

If I was really interested, I could research the numbers for pre-covid, say 2019.

Let's see,, Watson didn't happen until this year. So any Easterby impact would have been minimal in 2020. Therefore any reduction in attendence in 2020 could legitimately be from Covid. It would be interesting to compare the numbers from 2020 to those from 2019.

And if you are correct, the numbers for next year will be very telling.
Holy hell, man!!! YOU put the damn chart out there, made a conclusion based on the cherry picked stats you chose, somebody counters and BAM, Covid, nobody can prove it, nah, nah, na-nah.

And I'll even give you that I think Covid has changed things. I think having everyone stay home in 2020 woke people up to NOT having to spend a fortune to attend all these games in person. That it's much cheaper and much easier to watch games on the big screen at your leisure, which we knew already, but forcing us to stay home may have been a big reminder.

I also believe that that wasn't the only thing that played a factor. You throw on top of all of that everything the Texans have done since Easterby entered the building, and that very well could have helped people make their decisions to take the loss on their investments. And the only reason they still have 66,000 tickets sold is because of that PSL scam where people have to weigh losing their investments. The ONLY reason. As DB mentioned, there is no more waiting list to get season tickets. That isn't JUST a Covid thing.

And let's not forget the actual 20,000 - 30,000 or so that are in the stadium every week. In years past, I've seen it half empty for 2-14 seasons. But people were still holding on to their PSLs and the waiting list was still growing. That's not happening anymore.

I can't speak for anyone else, and there were other factors that played a role with me, but the main reason I dropped my tickets after 18 seasons is the way OB and the Pastor were gutting this franchise, and the guy I was giving my boatload of money to, didn't seem to care. Covid didn't exist for that decision.

And since you don't care to look things up, even though, again, YOU posted the chart and started this "conversation" and it's right there to look up, 13 teams had 99% capacity this year. 12 teams had 99% capacity in 2019. 13 in 2016. So take that FWIW.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
I also think the Derrick fanboys have alot to do with the declining attendance. With Covid, the Chargers game is the only game I've been too in 2 to yrs and I wouldn't have gone to that game, except I got the chance to go to a game with Beerlover. had a great time.

Bottom line is, if the Texans win the fans will be back.
He did not bring that many fans with him.
 

Thorn

Dirty Old Man
Sorry but that's gonna change in a hurry. The Dw business might finally be settled in the next couple of months and this site is gonna be about as vicious as its ever been. I hope the mods are ready and @steelbtexan has his Kevlar on.
I'm so damn tired of the whole Watson mess. Watson is a pall of destruction over the whole franchise right now and it needs to end, one way or the other, and I don't give a sh!t how. The franchise can't move forward without this resolved.
 

TexansBull

Hall of Fame
Sorry but that's gonna change in a hurry. The Dw business might finally be settled in the next couple of months and this site is gonna be about as vicious as its ever been. I hope the mods are ready and @steelbtexan has his Kevlar on.
I think there will be more posts about the compensation that NC gets, or lack there of.

Arm chair GMs that know it all.

However- this will be all avoided if Watson goes straight to jail and does not pass go and does not collect his multi millions.

Still a possibility…
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
...13 teams had 99% capacity this year. 12 teams had 99% capacity in 2019. 13 in 2016. So take that FWIW.
For 2019, eight teams (LA, San Fran, Chi, Seattle, Minn, New Orleans, Phila and Clev) had 100%(+) home attendance. Houston was at #11 with 99.7% attendance.

But then in 2020 attendance dropped dramatically, league wide, due to Covid. Dallas had the highest home attendance percentage with only 28.2%. Houston had the 8th best home attendance with 17.2%.

In 2021 attendance rebounded, with six teams at 100% home attendance; seven teams at 99% and two more teams with 98%. Houston ranks 23rd in home attendance with 92.8%.

From these numbers one might conclude that Houston lost approx 7% in home attendance due to factors other than Covid. At least they did not rebound to pre-Covid levels as other teams did.

Now then, there is the claim that butts-in-the-seats are far less than these statistics indicate and I believe there is a belief that this is a backlash against Easterby and Texans upper management decisions. There is also an accusation centered on a "PSL scam"?

How do you account for the low numbers from 2020 and then the rebound in 2021?

And there being only 10,000 - 20,000 (DB) actually in attendance ???

Officially, the Texans had, perhaps, 7% in lost attendance that maybe could be attributed to a backlash against Easterby and Texans management. But it could just as likely be attributed, at least in part, to the Texans losing record these past two seasons. I really don't think this 7% drop is a big concern and winning will probably solve everything.

If attendance continues to drop in 2022, the Texans may have a problem attributed to the management of the team (Easterby).
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
But it could just as likely be attributed, at least in part, to the Texans losing record these past two seasons. I really don't think this 7% drop is a big concern and winning will probably solve everything.
I think this is a combination of seeing our best players traded away for 1/4 full bags of stale chips or just outright cut for nothing, the DW catastrophe, and losing.

I think it can be put right by exciting new players being brought in and winning, with the emphasis on winning.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
On 610 they made a comment about fan discontent and attendance, so I got curious. Don'tknow if this is ticket sales or actual attendance, but the Texans average attendance is ranked right in the middle at #17, at home. Their average road attendance drops to #28. Their overall total average is at #22.

Way back during the first half of the season, in a conversation about the Texans decline in attendance, I made the comment that attendance was down league wide and the Texans' situation was not unique.

I think these numbers put to rest the argument that discontent with Easterby and Texans management has a major impact on Texans fandom.

Sorry, but that puts nothing to rest.
And, industry experts say, the situation is often more troubling when you go beyond simple attendance marks. Attendance numbers generally track the number of tickets distributed, whereas scan rates are used to see how many fans actually show up.https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2021/nfl-attendance-issues-ticket-covid-sales-1234646104/
LINK

During the season, I pointed out in posts that in a couple of games that the Texans were lucky to have 25,000 fans in the seats...........and both NFL.COM and ESPN had the attendances listed at ~70,000. Those numbers are deliberately posted to misinform and make the NFL look like fan support is much better than the truth would bear outl.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
How do you account for the low numbers from 2020 and then the rebound in 2021?
Is that a serious question? You realize 2020 had limited capacity for most teams, with 13 teams not being allowed to have any fans, right? WOW!! You can't use 2020 for anything.

And of course actual attendance is down because they're losing. But they're losing because of 2 people who decimated the franchise, one of which is still in the building.

And as I've said, the building has been half empty plenty of times before, both 2-14 seasons for sure. I know because I was there. But the difference between then and now is that people weren't dropping their PSLs, and the waiting list was still growing.

The Texans averaged 66,000+ tickets sold this year. Never before has that been under 70,000. So 4,000-5,000 tickets didn't get sold this year that have ALWAYS been sold before. AND there's no longer a waiting list of any kind.

Now, I'm not saying Easterby is THE reason. As I've said in my case, there were other factors as well, but what made me pull the trigger was OB and Easterby.
 

Double Barrel

Clown Hunter
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Holy hell, man!!! YOU put the damn chart out there, made a conclusion based on the cherry picked stats you chose, somebody counters and BAM, Covid, nobody can prove it, nah, nah, na-nah.

And I'll even give you that I think Covid has changed things. I think having everyone stay home in 2020 woke people up to NOT having to spend a fortune to attend all these games in person. That it's much cheaper and much easier to watch games on the big screen at your leisure, which we knew already, but forcing us to stay home may have been a big reminder.

I also believe that that wasn't the only thing that played a factor. You throw on top of all of that everything the Texans have done since Easterby entered the building, and that very well could have helped people make their decisions to take the loss on their investments. And the only reason they still have 66,000 tickets sold is because of that PSL scam where people have to weigh losing their investments. The ONLY reason. As DB mentioned, there is no more waiting list to get season tickets. That isn't JUST a Covid thing.

And let's not forget the actual 20,000 - 30,000 or so that are in the stadium every week. In years past, I've seen it half empty for 2-14 seasons. But people were still holding on to their PSLs and the waiting list was still growing. That's not happening anymore.

I can't speak for anyone else, and there were other factors that played a role with me, but the main reason I dropped my tickets after 18 seasons is the way OB and the Pastor were gutting this franchise, and the guy I was giving my boatload of money to, didn't seem to care. Covid didn't exist for that decision.

And since you don't care to look things up, even though, again, YOU posted the chart and started this "conversation" and it's right there to look up, 13 teams had 99% capacity this year. 12 teams had 99% capacity in 2019. 13 in 2016. So take that FWIW.
Well said, man.

I don't think some of these guys are in tune with actual fans that attend the games. Both of us have been multi-year season ticket holders that tailgated like it was a religion. I'm not claiming to be an expert, but I feel we certainly have a feel for the pulse of the average fan.

Right now, fan discontent is as high in H-town as its ever been, and I'm talking about 5+ decades of being a Houston football fan. Cal has become vilified much like Bud Adams was in the end. Both were/are arrogant, out-of-touch old rich dudes that feel entitled to our money.

Easterby is not the only reason for it, but he's certainly a focal point. Dude is a relic of the O'Brien era. He's directly connected to one of the worst trades in NFL history (certainly the worst deal in Texans history). One of the best players in Texans history has publicly disparaged the guy, and this is a potential HoF player that rarely speaks, much less airs a grievance. And then there's the national disgrace of being an unheard of NFL front office executive that embarrassed the franchise with a Sports Illustrated cover story.

In short, Easterby represents and symbolizes all of the bad traits of the owners, and fans are not stupid when information spread like wildfire. Fans are unhappy with the McNairs and no longer see a near-future that has hope. The only people that care about this franchise anymore are diehards, but to the average Houstonian, the Texans are barely an afterthought.

And yeah, winning cures a lot, but with their current business model, winning might be a lot harder than not. And there's the rub.
 

Number19

Hall of Fame
Sorry, but that puts nothing to rest.
LINK

During the season, I pointed out in posts that in a couple of games that the Texans were lucky to have 25,000 fans in the seats...........and both NFL.COM and ESPN had the attendances listed at ~70,000. Those numbers are deliberately posted to misinform and make the NFL look like fan support is much better than the truth would bear outl.
The link is behind a pay wall, and I agree scan rates would be a more accurate measurement for attendance. But is this data available for all 32 teams? I'd like to have it.

Nonverifiable reports of attendance are not good analytics; just look at the wide range of reporting for a rally or protest. Plus you would need reports for every game for comparison and analysis.

Just channel hopping, I caught a glimpse of an NFL game other than the Texans, and it appeared more than half the seats were empty, in the view I caught. So if your estimate of 25,000 is fairly close for a Texans game, how does this compare to other stadiums?

You can only work with the data you have. Anything else is hearsay.
 

austins23

Hall of Fame
I heard a report they were lowering ticket prices & concessions in 2022. If true I think that’s pretty strong evidence.

Are they doing the same around the league?
Yes they are lowering next seasons prices by how long you’ve been a season ticket holder. They are also offering 8 and 10 month interest free payment plans. Plus a $250 Texans card for concessions.

if that doesn’t speak to “we are losing our fan base” not sure what does.
I had tickets from the first playoff year to the Covid year. I renewed this year because I enjoyed tailgating with my friends and I like going to the game. Well I went to a total of ONE game this year.

Couldn’t sell my tickets at a two for one ($80 for a pair) price. Last four or five games I gave them away to folks in my tailgate group.

I have til Feb 4 to make up my mind if I want to renew for next year.

I don’t care what the numbers say, attendance sucked this year. Parking lots were ghost towns. So were the seats in the stadium
 


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