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thunderkyss

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To connect John Elway and Jack Easterby is a stretch that I honestly doubt you believe, but are willing to go through extraordinary lengths to justify the Texans hire.
I’m not connecting Elway to Easterby. I’m just saying throwing a football around doesn’t make anyone more qualified to run an NFL franchise than counseling NFL players.
 

TexansBull

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There were lots of folks around here that were clamoring for Vince Young and Johnny Manziel, too. Bortles achieved more than either of them, but I have yet to see anyone held to account for arguing for either of those two fools.

I didn't realize that "player drafted by a perpetual shitty franchise" was a litmus test. Bortles, and even Carr, might have had different careers if drafted by better organizations.

My point, and just an opinion, is there is animosity toward a poster so this one time that he supported a player is consistently used against him.
Manziel and Young were two Texas QBs to come out of the two most popular colleges in Texas. Texans fans were rooting for hometown favorites. It is to be expected. Those posters too have more of track record cheering for the Texans.

Opposed to a poster whose, coincidentally enough, only opinion is always opposite of Texans moves. Adding that to his record of being a fan of the Colts only proves one thing - he is not a fan of the Texans.

We should have no patience for such agitators.
 

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I’m not connecting Elway to Easterby. I’m just saying throwing a football around doesn’t make anyone more qualified to run an NFL franchise than counseling NFL players.
Being a HoF QB with 5 trips and two rings sure makes someone more qualified than just being a "character coach", whatever that means.

But I get it, some folks want to be Easterboys and others are just haters. Now you can have the last word. lol :kitten:

Manziel and Young were two Texas QBs to come out of the two most popular colleges in Texas. Texans fans were rooting for hometown favorites. It is to be expected. Those posters too have more of track record cheering for the Texans.

Opposed to a poster whose, coincidentally enough, only opinion is always opposite of Texans moves. Adding that to his record of being a fan of the Colts only proves one thing - he is not a fan of the Texans.

We should have no patience for such agitators.
It's no big deal to me and certainly not a hill I plan to die on. I guess I just don't care what players folks went to bat for because even GMs are wrong more than they are right. I'm not a prognosticator so for me it's one of those subjects that my mind is not attracted to. But as always, to each his/her own.

I never though Tex was a Colts fan, but I know infantrycak said it all the time. But anyway, let's get off the subject of individual members and stick to opinions about opinions. ;)
 

Texian

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Being a HoF QB with 5 trips and two rings sure makes someone more qualified than just being a "character coach", whatever that means.

But I get it, some folks want to be Easterboys and others are just haters. Now you can have the last word. lol :kitten:



It's no big deal to me and certainly not a hill I plan to die on. I guess I just don't care what players folks went to bat for because even GMs are wrong more than they are right. I'm not a prognosticator so for me it's one of those subjects that my mind is not attracted to. But as always, to each his/her own.

I never though Tex was a Colts fan, but I know infantrycak said it all the time. But anyway, let's get off the subject of individual members and stick to opinions about opinions. ;)
Is he still trolling? I did ask the question WTH was Bob McNair thinking demanding the Texans be in AFC in a division with Peyton Manning. I also said Texans would not win the division as long as Manning was the Colts QB. I think I was 100% on that prediction. Some folks Kool Aid drinkers took that to mean I was Colts fan. Nope, just a realist. Many now agree with me.
 
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thunderkyss

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Being a HoF QB with 5 trips and two rings sure makes someone more qualified than just being a "character coach", whatever that means.
& I just don’t follow that logic. Just like people saying Manning would be a great GM. Just doesn’t compute.

I’ve seen players get into coaching. They start at the bottom & work their way up.

A lot of people were losing their minds when Josh McCown was interviewed for HC.

But QB to GM makes sense. Sorry, I just don’t see it.
 

Speedy

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& I just don’t follow that logic. Just like people saying Manning would be a great GM. Just doesn’t compute.

I’ve seen players get into coaching. They start at the bottom & work their way up.

A lot of people were losing their minds when Josh McCown was interviewed for HC.

But QB to GM makes sense. Sorry, I just don’t see it.
And I don't see where you think there's no difference in John Elway's qualifications vs. the Pastor's. That doesn't make sense. One has actually been in the game, and even been successful in it. The Pastor has no such dealings in the game of football in any way. As I've mentioned before, he's about as into football as the team janitor. I'd have issues hiring him too. So it's not just that I think the Pastor is a snake oil salesman. I don't believe the man is the most qualified for the position, despite the owner thinking otherwise.

And yeah, I get that if that's who the owner wants, nothing else matters, but as a consumer of the product, I'd feel much better about that product the more qualified I felt that person was. David Culley, for example. Been coaching in the league for 27 years, and if that's who they wanted, that's who they wanted. Doesn't mean I wouldn't feel better about the product with Beineimy or Daboll or Roman, or whoever the top candidates were, that I feel are all more qualified, whether I'm right or not, or whether the owner is right or not.

Yeah, I'd have my issues with a Josh McCown, but I'll take him over the janitor or a Pastor all day.
 

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And I don't see where you think there's no difference in John Elway's qualifications vs. the Pastor's. That doesn't make sense. One has actually been in the game, and even been successful in it. The Pastor has no such dealings in the game of football in any way. As I've mentioned before, he's about as into football as the team janitor. I'd have issues hiring him too. So it's not just that I think the Pastor is a snake oil salesman. I don't believe the man is the most qualified for the position, despite the owner thinking otherwise.

And yeah, I get that if that's who the owner wants, nothing else matters, but as a consumer of the product, I'd feel much better about that product the more qualified I felt that person was. David Culley, for example. Been coaching in the league for 27 years, and if that's who they wanted, that's who they wanted. Doesn't mean I wouldn't feel better about the product with Beineimy or Daboll or Roman, or whoever the top candidates were, that I feel are all more qualified, whether I'm right or not, or whether the owner is right or not.

Yeah, I'd have my issues with a Josh McCown, but I'll take him over the janitor or a Pastor all day.

Wish I could like it 100 times !
 

Texansphan

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And I don't see where you think there's no difference in John Elway's qualifications vs. the Pastor's. That doesn't make sense. One has actually been in the game, and even been successful in it. The Pastor has no such dealings in the game of football in any way. As I've mentioned before, he's about as into football as the team janitor. I'd have issues hiring him too. So it's not just that I think the Pastor is a snake oil salesman. I don't believe the man is the most qualified for the position, despite the owner thinking otherwise.

And yeah, I get that if that's who the owner wants, nothing else matters, but as a consumer of the product, I'd feel much better about that product the more qualified I felt that person was. David Culley, for example. Been coaching in the league for 27 years, and if that's who they wanted, that's who they wanted. Doesn't mean I wouldn't feel better about the product with Beineimy or Daboll or Roman, or whoever the top candidates were, that I feel are all more qualified, whether I'm right or not, or whether the owner is right or not.

Yeah, I'd have my issues with a Josh McCown, but I'll take him over the janitor or a Pastor all day.
Agree.
A lot of trainwreck happened while the Pastor was having input.
If his name was Rick Smith, the lynch mob would be waiting outside NRG.
 

welsh texan

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People trying to figure out what Easterby’s role is/has been.

Maybe that’s the point?

You have some bloke hired just because he came from the Patriot’s, make his responsibilities so wide ranging they are incredibly vague, and have him mill around the offices being nice to people until they get comfortable.

Anyone who was happy bad mouthing ownership will be caught out, leaks can be given out with a pat on the back to each person around the office with little variations to identify where they are coming from etc.

The problem is a guy like Bill O’Brien who in over his head as a GM has a positive sounding board reflecting back at him when he’s extending guys like Martin and Mercilus above market value, but maybe to ownership the purge on those leaking or having a joke at their expense was worth it?

They will turn a healthy profit whether the team is good or not. Making Easterby GM at a time when they didn’t have a GM but we’re waiting on their preferred candidate didn’t really impact the operation, it was a tear down all along. Despite Cal telling the media what a great team we had. Did that help to flush out the last few bad apples when the national media began sensationalising dysfunction.
 

thunderkyss

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And I don't see where you think there's no difference in John Elway's qualifications vs. the Pastor's.
Neither are qualified.


The Pastor has no such dealings in the game of football in any way. As I've mentioned before, he's about as into football as the team janitor.
He's been counseling players for six years. NFL players. He's been working with athletes for 15 years. I'm not saying that makes him qualified. But that your point of "no such dealings" is wrong.
 

Rich Schmidt

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To do any high level job, it is a mix of content knowledge and then management, people, and soft skills. That is why most people work their way up, because they typically have to develop their weak areas. Cal seems enamored by Easterby, who seems to have content gaps on value of players and actual talent/fit. Josh probably knows the game fine and seems to have good leadership / people skills, but I would think he needs to develop before you give him a top role. Anyway, this is why it is such a risk hiring a football only guy like Elway, Millen, Peyton, or Lynch. Also, some of these guys have no idea the work it takes, look at Andre, he wanted to be more retired then coaching allowed.
 

Speedy

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Neither are qualified
Again, one knows the game, the other doesn’t. That doesn’t make either qualified, but I’ll take my chances of hiring somebody to help me win the game, that actually knows the game.

He's been counseling players for six years. NFL players. He's been working with athletes for 15 years. I'm not saying that makes him qualified. But that your point of "no such dealings" is wrong.
Counseling players on life issues has nothing to do with talent evaluation and building a football team or running a football operation. Amy Palcic has “worked” with NFL players for years too. The ball boys “work” with NFL players. Just because you’re in the building doesn’t mean shit.

If, gun to my head, Amy Palcic and Peyton Manning are my choices for GM, neither may have the qualifications of what you’re looking for in a GM, but guess who I’m not hiring?
 

thunderkyss

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If, gun to my head, Amy Palcic and Peyton Manning are my choices for GM, neither may have the qualifications of what you’re looking for in a GM, but guess who I’m not hiring?
This is the point. Neither are qualified to be a GM.

Not one or the other. Doesn’t matter which one you hired for whatever reason. Neither was qualified.
 

steelbtexan

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Being a HoF QB with 5 trips and two rings sure makes someone more qualified than just being a "character coach", whatever that means.

But I get it, some folks want to be Easterboys and others are just haters. Now you can have the last word. lol :kitten:



It's no big deal to me and certainly not a hill I plan to die on. I guess I just don't care what players folks went to bat for because even GMs are wrong more than they are right. I'm not a prognosticator so for me it's one of those subjects that my mind is not attracted to. But as always, to each his/her own.

I never though Tex was a Colts fan, but I know infantrycak said it all the time. But anyway, let's get off the subject of individual members and stick to opinions about opinions. ;)
Tex is a Brady fan

So Pats/Bucs and being honest I enjoy the GOAT doing his thing.
 

steelbtexan

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Agree.
A lot of trainwreck happened while the Pastor was having input.
If his name was Rick Smith, the lynch mob would be waiting outside NRG.
Was the Pastor making final calls on personnel when BOB was here? Is he making those calls now?
 

steelbtexan

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Again, one knows the game, the other doesn’t. That doesn’t make either qualified, but I’ll take my chances of hiring somebody to help me win the game, that actually knows the game.



Counseling players on life issues has nothing to do with talent evaluation and building a football team or running a football operation. Amy Palcic has “worked” with NFL players for years too. The ball boys “work” with NFL players. Just because you’re in the building doesn’t mean shit.

If, gun to my head, Amy Palcic and Peyton Manning are my choices for GM, neither may have the qualifications of what you’re looking for in a GM, but guess who I’m not hiring?
I thought talent evaluation came from the GM/Scouts this time of yr. Was Easterby a GM/Scout this time last yr?
 
And I don't see where you think there's no difference in John Elway's qualifications vs. the Pastor's. That doesn't make sense. One has actually been in the game, and even been successful in it. The Pastor has no such dealings in the game of football in any way. As I've mentioned before, he's about as into football as the team janitor. I'd have issues hiring him too. So it's not just that I think the Pastor is a snake oil salesman. I don't believe the man is the most qualified for the position, despite the owner thinking otherwise.

And yeah, I get that if that's who the owner wants, nothing else matters, but as a consumer of the product, I'd feel much better about that product the more qualified I felt that person was. David Culley, for example. Been coaching in the league for 27 years, and if that's who they wanted, that's who they wanted. Doesn't mean I wouldn't feel better about the product with Beineimy or Daboll or Roman, or whoever the top candidates were, that I feel are all more qualified, whether I'm right or not, or whether the owner is right or not.

Yeah, I'd have my issues with a Josh McCown, but I'll take him over the janitor or a Pastor all day.
But who knows what Easterby has learned during his time around NFL teams? I state teams because he has had access to all levels of the organizations (players, staff, management and executives) regardless of his title. One could make the claim that he has ascended from chaplain, character coach to management as part of progression. Bill Belichick said Easterby is not a personnel guy, well that's just one aspect of a GM role and there have been many GMs that have failed on identifying talent around the NFL. A manager is not always the SME of what they are in charge of, there is staff for that. But I still don't trust him in the Texans organization and that has more to do with my perception of how weak the ownership is and the inconsistency in the football operations.
 

cuppacoffee

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I thought talent evaluation came from the GM/Scouts this time of yr. Was Easterby a GM/Scout this time last yr?
Speaking of scouts. Has there been any shakeup from the scouts of the last couple of years.

Or were they making sound recommendations and our coaching staff just not know what to do with the draftees.

Or both?

:coffee:
 

thunderkyss

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But I still don't trust him in the Texans organization and that has more to do with my perception of how weak the ownership is and the inconsistency in the football operations
Agreed. I don’t like Easterby. I don’t like that he’s with the Texans. I don’t think he’s qualified for any job outside entry level McDonalds. At the same time I don’t know him, I don’t know what Caserio & Cal sees in him.

But I think we’ve seen several people in GM roles completely unqualified succeed & fail.
 

OptimisticTexan

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The Texans have been ran by the McNair's, who like a bunch a fools have learned zilch, nada, absolutely nothing from their mistakes from one season to the next. That's every hire to date and the time given to those bad hires to compound their mistakes and mistakes for the organization. Just zany ducking stupidity.

I finally have a glimmer of hope that the team finally got it right when they brought in Caserio, especially with the state of the organization and a complete overhaul as the only route. Instead of really getting to focus on Caserio and what his moves are doing to the team......we only get to focus on the Watson Saga and The Preacher. Even the media has one focus and one focus only when it comes to the Texans.....The Watson Sage!!!

It would be nice to hear about the new scouts hired, their backgrounds and track records. Oh, on a side note.......UH and Baylor in the Final Four tonight!!!!!! Go Coogs.
 

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People think the Pastor and Elway have equivalent jobs? SMH

I was responding to the 2nd paragraph. I don't think Easterby should be mentioned in the same breath with Elway. I believe Easterby is a cancer to this team. I will continue to believe that, until he comes to the mike, fields questions, and convinces me otherwise. I believe that he has complete protection from Cal. I don't see the franchise ever trending toward a dynasty, or a perennial winner. No matter how much talent they acquire, they will be losers. It's sad because this area is the mecca of "football country." We, (Texans), have a built in base. That is our blessing and our curse. It seems that this sport draws from a majority of moral and ethical folks who lean toward and put a value on honesty, clarity, integrity and virtue .... ideas which have enjoyed their heyday, but sadly, will soon disappear completely .... key - Tara theme song !
 

steelbtexan

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I was responding to the 2nd paragraph. I don't think Easterby should be mentioned in the same breath with Elway. I believe Easterby is a cancer to this team. I will continue to believe that, until he comes to the mike, fields questions, and convinces me otherwise. I believe that he has complete protection from Cal. I don't see the franchise ever trending toward a dynasty, or a perennial winner. No matter how much talent they acquire, they will be losers. It's sad because this area is the mecca of "football country." We, (Texans), have a built in base. That is our blessing and our curse. It seems that this sport draws from a majority of moral and ethical folks who lean toward and put a value on honesty, clarity, integrity and virtue .... ideas which have enjoyed their heyday, but sadly, will soon disappear completely .... key - Tara theme song !
Most of these issues have been present long before Easterby entered the doors on Kirby.
 

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Most of these issues have been present long before Easterby entered the doors on Kirby.

Yes, but his Daddy has not been gone that long .... seems like people are much more earthy and realistic when they make it .... as opposed to take it ! You need to arrange an informal meeting with Cal and Easterby .... so we can at least ascertain whether or not they see the error of their ways .... I'm thinking they just need some enlightenment. We could gingerly help them back onto the correct path. Heck .... maybe we're beating up on "Children of a Lesser God" .... boy would you ever feel bad !
 

Texian

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This is the point. Neither are qualified to be a GM.

Not one or the other. Doesn’t matter which one you hired for whatever reason. Neither was qualified.
Absurd. There are probably no two people better qualified to be a GM than Elway and Manning. Both have been around football and on a football field before they could walk. They have more football knowledge in their little finger than most people in a lifetime. You can add Eliot Wolf to this very small club.
 
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TexansBull

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This is the point. Neither are qualified to be a GM.

Not one or the other. Doesn’t matter which one you hired for whatever reason. Neither was qualified.
John Elway is a great example of how great players don’t always become great in the front office. After how many QB picks (six?) Denver still doesn’t have an answer for the QB position. And that is his position. He should be able to recognize what it takes to be great at that position and hasn’t.
 

steelbtexan

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Getting the draft right is as much luck as it is skillful scouting.
Some of it is luck.

When you're drafting 1-1 and there's a generational QB coming out.

Most of it is hard work and skill. Look at teams that draft well. Caserio found a really good starting LG in the 6th rd in last yrs draft. Was that luck ? Yes because another team didn't draft the guy. But preparation/draft study lead BB/Caserio to make the pick. Drafting in rds 4-6 are where the good GM's/scouts make there money.
 

Texansballer74

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John Elway is a great example of how great players don’t always become great in the front office. After how many QB picks (six?) Denver still doesn’t have an answer for the QB position. And that is his position. He should be able to recognize what it takes to be great at that position and hasn’t.
There’s examples of this in pretty much every professional sports league. Bird, McHale, Jordan, Drexler and the list goes on.

It does seem like roll players and players who holds the clipboards become pretty good coaches. Or a coaches son.
 
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justmy2cents

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Sounds like using a Ouija board or a monkey to pick would yield the same results.

Or flipping a coin ! More than 50% of 1st round picks are busts .... I read that many years ago .... just googled it again .... still true .... it ain't just Elway .... that's what made Watson's value so great .... prior to scandle ! I've been seriously drafting since Munchak in 1982 .... so many of the guys you'd bet your house on - don't make it .... strange but true !
 

mws

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I’m not connecting Elway to Easterby. I’m just saying throwing a football around doesn’t make anyone more qualified to run an NFL franchise than counseling NFL players.
Under John Elway the Broncos had a winning record & played in 2 Super Bowls. In my opinion that makes him a pretty damn good GM. Better than any the Oilers or the Texans have had combined in almost 60 years.

John Elway Era Highlights

Signed Peyton Manning as a free agent

Drafted Von Miller (SB MVP in 2015)

Helped Build the #1 defense in 2015 by these free agent signings.
Signed DeMarcus Ware as a free agent
Signed Aqib Talib as a free agent

Record: 90-70 .563
2 Super Bowl Appearances (2013 & 2015) with one win in 2015
 

thunderkyss

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Under John Elway the Broncos had a winning record & played in 2 Super Bowls. In my opinion that makes him a pretty damn good GM. Better than any the Oilers or the Texans have had combined in almost 60 years.
I think he had some success. But he’s stepping down after 5 years of failure.

Still, the point remains. However much success he had, running an NFL offense with a HOF RB does not qualify him to be a GM. That’s why guys lol Aikman, Young, & Carr are on TV commentating.
 


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