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steelbtexan

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Didn't DW4 have the best WR in the NFL last yr?

They basically said Hyde was as good as the Chiefs RB's.

WFV is every bit as dynamic as Hill when healthy. It's not like DW4 doesn't have weapons.
 

badboy

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So, a long pass on first down, two runs straight down the middle on 2nd and 3rd down, then punt?
Even so, now Fuller, Cooks and Stills should be down field with speed to score. Oline together for first time in long time should improve on their stats from 2019 when oline developing deep passes Tunsil was 89.0 and others in 70s. DW has to be giggling thinking of that. A starting RB that can catch as well as run outside or down the throat should keep opponents honest. If Warring is whom Obrien thinks he is, Heck he might even be deep on some plays. Oh we have a really good slot in Cobb in addition.
 
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steelbtexan

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Even so, now Fuller, Cooks and Stills should be down field with speed to score. Oline together for first time in long time should improve on their stats from 2019 when on long developing deep passes Tunsil was 89.0 and others in 70s. DW has to be giggling thinking of that. A starting RB that can catch as well as run outside or down the throat should keep opponents honest. If Warring is whom Obrien thinks he is, Heck he might even be deep on some plays. Oh we have a really good slot in Cobb in addition.
I laugh when people complain about BOB's long developing pass plays. Guess BOB likes playing to DW4's strengths, playing from the shotgun and completing deep passes. Do y'all want BOB/Kelly to go away from what DW4 does best?

I do and I want DW4 to get better at taking what's given to him.
 

theCATALYST

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I laugh when people complain about BOB's long developing pass plays. Guess BOB likes playing to DW4's strengths, playing from the shotgun and completing deep passes. Do y'all want BOB/Kelly to go away from what DW4 does best?

I do and I want DW4 to get better at taking what's given to him.
As with any playbook, there should be a healthy mix.
 

steelbtexan

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As with any playbook, there should be a healthy mix.
Agreed

Many on here dont think BOB was playing to DW4's strengths and that's not what the numbers bear out. BOB was playing to DW4's strengths.

I too want to see more of DW4 taking what's given to him and less deep shots or bust kind of offense. Which is what BOB's offense evolved into last yr. Big play or bust.
 

Texansballer74

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I laugh when people complain about BOB's long developing pass plays. Guess BOB likes playing to DW4's strengths, playing from the shotgun and completing deep passes. Do y'all want BOB/Kelly to go away from what DW4 does best?

I do and I want DW4 to get better at taking what's given to him.
Well of course you would only look at it lopsided and spin it in this fashion. You’re attempting to throw shade at those that are not in favor of Bill O’Brien. Why do you always do this type of stuff. Bill O’Brien has been here going on 7 darn seasons. And this is his offense period. You’re acting like you’ve seen great success from other quarterbacks in this system. Yes Watson excels in the deep throws but let’s not act like he’s terrible in the short intermediate throws. This has been proven to be wrong. He’s not the best and needs to improve here. But I’ve posted his stat showing he’s in the top 5 in dumping it off, basically taking what the defense gives him.

As far as him operating from the shotgun. Man all of our quarterbacks in this system operated mostly from shotgun. Most quarterbacks today heavily operates from the shotgun.
 

badboy

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I laugh when people complain about BOB's long developing pass plays. Guess BOB likes playing to DW4's strengths, playing from the shotgun and completing deep passes. Do y'all want BOB/Kelly to go away from what DW4 does best?

I do and I want DW4 to get better at taking what's given to him.
As Catalyst says, I want him to spread ball around. He did very successfully at Clemson and our GM has the players to do it here. Everything on paper points to success. We have to see how it translates to the game field.
 

Texansballer74

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Can’t spread the ball around when your receivers aren’t winning and getting open. Can’t spread the ball around when you can’t trust the backups or new receivers to run the right routes.

At least with Cook he has a little experience playing in this type system. So the adjustments should be easier for him. Chemistry should be better with Stills. Cobb is a really good veteran addition hopefully it doesn’t take him long to learn this offense.

The tight end group should be ready. The offensive line play has to get better in pass pro. That way we can utilize these tight ends more often in the passing game.
 

steelbtexan

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Well of course you would only look at it lopsided and spin it in this fashion. You’re attempting to throw shade at those that are not in favor of Bill O’Brien. Why do you always do this type of stuff. Bill O’Brien has been here going on 7 darn seasons. And this is his offense period. You’re acting like you’ve seen great success from other quarterbacks in this system. Yes Watson excels in the deep throws but let’s not act like he’s terrible in the short intermediate throws. This has been proven to be wrong. He’s not the best and needs to improve here. But I’ve posted his stat showing he’s in the top 5 in dumping it off, basically taking what the defense gives him.

As far as him operating from the shotgun. Man all of our quarterbacks in this system operated mostly from shotgun. Most quarterbacks today heavily operates from the shotgun.
I believe I've said many times BOB should've been fired after 51-7. (He's not going to win a championship) But lets not act like BOB hasn't been playing to DW4's strengths. You just said so yourself, whether you realize it or not.
 

steelbtexan

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Can’t spread the ball around when your receivers aren’t winning and getting open. Can’t spread the ball around when you can’t trust the backups or new receivers to run the right routes.

At least with Cook he has a little experience playing in this type system. So the adjustments should be easier for him. Chemistry should be better with Stills. Cobb is a really good veteran addition hopefully it doesn’t take him long to learn this offense.

The tight end group should be ready. The offensive line play has to get better in pass pro. That way we can utilize these tight ends more often in the passing game.
Agreed, the talent is there for the offense to be very good. Let's see how this plays out.
 

thunderkyss

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WFV is every bit as dynamic as Hill when healthy. It's not like DW4 doesn't have weapons.
I agree, DW4 has some good tools, but they're different & Reid knows how to use the one to set up the other. He'll bowl you over a couple of times with Kelce... & when you get frustrated trying to stop him, Reid pops the top with Hill.

BO'b will continue to run Miller up the middle on 1st down until it works.
 

badboy

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I agree, DW4 has some good tools, but they're different & Reid knows how to use the one to set up the other. He'll bowl you over a couple of times with Kelce... & when you get frustrated trying to stop him, Reid pops the top with Hill.

BO'b will continue to run Miller up the middle on 1st down until it works.
They have to sign Miller if Bob wants to run him anywhere.
 

steelbtexan

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I agree, DW4 has some good tools, but they're different & Reid knows how to use the one to set up the other. He'll bowl you over a couple of times with Kelce... & when you get frustrated trying to stop him, Reid pops the top with Hill.

BO'b will continue to run Miller up the middle on 1st down until it works.
I know it's frustrating.

Ever ask yourself why BOB feels the need to shrten the game? Trust me I've got the same issue with BOB that I had with Kubiak. (Too conservative.)

With the OL he had 2 yrs ago I could understand why BOB tried to shorten the game. Last yr not so much. Turn DW4 loose and let him sink or swim atleast you will find out what you've got.
 

thunderkyss

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Ever ask yourself why BOB feels the need to shrten the game? Trust me I've got the same issue with BOB that I had with Kubiak. (Too conservative.)
there’s a difference between “shortening the game” & banging your head against the wall. Kubiak did the former, O’Brien the latter.
 

thunderkyss

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It's kind of hard to use players to the best of their abilities with Fitz/Hoyer/Is at QB, especially with some of the Ol's they've had.
There was absolutely no good reason to start Hoyer against KC in the Wild Card game. I can’t absolve him of the crappy situation he continually put himself in.
 

Texansballer74

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What was your main point?
Nobody is saying the stuff you’re claiming.

And can you post a clip of the game plan being shortened? I mean this looks like the same offense Hoyer, Mallet, Fitzpatrick, Osweiler and the rest of the quarterbacks that’s played in this system . The only difference Watson actually makes this system better with his elusiveness.
 

steelbtexan

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Nobody is saying the stuff you’re claiming.

And can you post a clip of the game plan being shortened? I mean this looks like the same offense Hoyer, Mallet, Fitzpatrick, Osweiler and the rest of the quarterbacks that’s played in this system . The only difference Watson actually makes this system better with his elusiveness.
They take alot more deep shots now than they used too. That's the reason for the long developing pass plays. They probably take 5 or 6 deep shots a game with DW4. Are you saying that they took that many deep shots with Fitz/Hoyer, who had both AJ/Nuk on the team? Os has never been known as a deep ball thrower even though he took more deep shots than Fitz/Hoyer. Os still didn't take as many deep shots as DW4. Nothing wrong with taking deep shots, it helps keep the defense loosened up. But the deep shots are the long developing routes many here are complaining about. I actually think they will take even more deep shots with the track team they have at WR. This is BOB trying to get guys that play to DW4's strengths. With Cobb running the underneath routes the offense should be very dangerous if healthy. What would really help is if Warring becomes a seam stretcher at TE.
 

OptimisticTexan

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They take alot more deep shots now than they used too. That's the reason for the long developing pass plays. They probably take 5 or 6 deep shots a game with DW4. Are you saying that they took that many deep shots with Fitz/Hoyer, who had both AJ/Nuk on the team? Os has never been known as a deep ball thrower even though he took more deep shots than Fitz/Hoyer. Os still didn't take as many deep shots as DW4. Nothing wrong with taking deep shots, it helps keep the defense loosened up. But the deep shots are the long developing routes many here are complaining about. I actually think they will take even more deep shots with the track team they have at WR. This is BOB trying to get guys that play to DW4's strengths. With Cobb running the underneath routes the offense should be very dangerous if healthy. What would really help is if Warring becomes a seam stretcher at TE.
They couldn't b/c the OL has sucked for what.....7+ years. Another reason has been the health of the available weapons, OL and the lack of quality depth. Injuries can never be predicted......lack of quality depth falls at the feet of the GM. Texans GM's have ducked this up for 17 years straight and never really been held accountable. Can anyone fill us in on how many, of Watson's 38 games, he had a full compliment of healthy starters?
 

Earl34

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I know it's frustrating.

Ever ask yourself why BOB feels the need to shrten the game? Trust me I've got the same issue with BOB that I had with Kubiak. (Too conservative.)

With the OL he had 2 yrs ago I could understand why BOB tried to shorten the game. Last yr not so much. Turn DW4 loose and let him sink or swim atleast you will find out what you've got.
Shortening the game can also be to keep the opposing offense off the field or keep your suspect defense off the field. Why are you thinking O'Brien feels the need to shorten the game?
 

steelbtexan

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Shortening the game can also be to keep the opposing offense off the field or keep your suspect defense off the field. Why are you thinking O'Brien feels the need to shorten the game?
^^^^
1. Mainly This

2.And to lessen the chance for the offense to make mistakes
 

badboy

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They take alot more deep shots now than they used too. That's the reason for the long developing pass plays. They probably take 5 or 6 deep shots a game with DW4. Are you saying that they took that many deep shots with Fitz/Hoyer, who had both AJ/Nuk on the team? Os has never been known as a deep ball thrower even though he took more deep shots than Fitz/Hoyer. Os still didn't take as many deep shots as DW4. Nothing wrong with taking deep shots, it helps keep the defense loosened up. But the deep shots are the long developing routes many here are complaining about. I actually think they will take even more deep shots with the track team they have at WR. This is BOB trying to get guys that play to DW4's strengths. With Cobb running the underneath routes the offense should be very dangerous if healthy. What would really help is if Warring becomes a seam stretcher at TE.
If WRs turn out as good as I think they can be and as I posted if Warring is all that a bag of chips, Deshaun can have the stats I posted somewhere (lol). As you say, Kelly needs to open it up and let'er rip. We seem to operate more efficiently in up tempo or 2 minute mode. OTOH, I am always most optimistic before season starts...
 

JB

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To you perhaps but there are several similar trades being discussed. Before the trade of Hopkins you would say it was unrealistic yet it happened.
The Hopkins trade was grossly lopsided in favor of the Cardinals or it wouldn't have happened. Most of your proposals are lopsided in favor of the Texans
 

badboy

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The Hopkins trade was grossly lopsided in favor of the Cardinals or it wouldn't have happened. Most of your proposals are lopsided in favor of the Texans
That's because as were Texans with Hopkins those teams are under pressure. I just posted in NFL thread. CJ contract extension should be announced by KC tomorrow. Scratch one off my list.
 

Texansballer74

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Out of the 30 agents, 11 of them targeted Houston for having the worst offseason. Here are some quotes provided by The Athletic that amplify exactly why the Texans were chosen.

  • “That trade is still mind-boggling. Getting Hopkins for David Johnson? Um, yeah.”
  • “Bill O’Brien — there’s no way he should be the general manager.”
  • “I just don’t understand them whatsoever.”
  • “They rid themselves of their best player when not forced.”
 

KoolAid Sipper

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Out of the 30 agents, 11 of them targeted Houston for having the worst offseason. Here are some quotes provided by The Athletic that amplify exactly why the Texans were chosen.

  • “That trade is still mind-boggling. Getting Hopkins for David Johnson? Um, yeah.” Partial
  • “Bill O’Brien — there’s no way he should be the general manager.” Truth
  • “I just don’t understand them whatsoever.” Gospel
  • “They rid themselves of their best player when not forced.” Debatable
The only cure for this perception is to be more successful than previously, which will be a tall order if there is a season. I guarantee if those agents were asked who is the person most
responsible for the perceived failures, 30 out of 30 would say in unison
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Earl34

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Random thought and question. If you don't have an offensive identity and on a weekly basis, you simply try to attack the defenses based on what they do. Don't knowledgeable DCs know the weak spots in their own defenses and can easily look at what you did in previous games and counter what they expect you to attack? For example, if I'm a DC running a 4-3 with heavy Cover3 tendencies, based on the Texan's tendencies, don't I know the areas the Texans are likely to attack?

The reason for my random thought. I was reading the article below and this quote stands out, “It’s a game-plan offense so we’re gonna look at who we play and say, "Here’s what they do on defense, and here’s what we’re going to do to try to attack that."

https://www.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2012/01/post_154.html
 


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