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Animated discussion. How did discussion of Lamar Jackson get in there when they were flashing Watson/Mahomes stats on the screen?
Even so, now Fuller, Cooks and Stills should be down field with speed to score. Oline together for first time in long time should improve on their stats from 2019 when oline developing deep passes Tunsil was 89.0 and others in 70s. DW has to be giggling thinking of that. A starting RB that can catch as well as run outside or down the throat should keep opponents honest. If Warring is whom Obrien thinks he is, Heck he might even be deep on some plays. Oh we have a really good slot in Cobb in addition.So, a long pass on first down, two runs straight down the middle on 2nd and 3rd down, then punt?
Even so, now Fuller, Cooks and Stills should be down field with speed to score. Oline together for first time in long time should improve on their stats from 2019 when on long developing deep passes Tunsil was 89.0 and others in 70s. DW has to be giggling thinking of that. A starting RB that can catch as well as run outside or down the throat should keep opponents honest. If Warring is whom Obrien thinks he is, Heck he might even be deep on some plays. Oh we have a really good slot in Cobb in addition.
I laugh when people complain about BOB's long developing pass plays. Guess BOB likes playing to DW4's strengths, playing from the shotgun and completing deep passes. Do y'all want BOB/Kelly to go away from what DW4 does best?
I do and I want DW4 to get better at taking what's given to him.
As with any playbook, there should be a healthy mix.
I laugh when people complain about BOB's long developing pass plays. Guess BOB likes playing to DW4's strengths, playing from the shotgun and completing deep passes. Do y'all want BOB/Kelly to go away from what DW4 does best?
I do and I want DW4 to get better at taking what's given to him.
As Catalyst says, I want him to spread ball around. He did very successfully at Clemson and our GM has the players to do it here. Everything on paper points to success. We have to see how it translates to the game field.I laugh when people complain about BOB's long developing pass plays. Guess BOB likes playing to DW4's strengths, playing from the shotgun and completing deep passes. Do y'all want BOB/Kelly to go away from what DW4 does best?
I do and I want DW4 to get better at taking what's given to him.
Well of course you would only look at it lopsided and spin it in this fashion. You’re attempting to throw shade at those that are not in favor of Bill O’Brien. Why do you always do this type of stuff. Bill O’Brien has been here going on 7 darn seasons. And this is his offense period. You’re acting like you’ve seen great success from other quarterbacks in this system. Yes Watson excels in the deep throws but let’s not act like he’s terrible in the short intermediate throws. This has been proven to be wrong. He’s not the best and needs to improve here. But I’ve posted his stat showing he’s in the top 5 in dumping it off, basically taking what the defense gives him.
As far as him operating from the shotgun. Man all of our quarterbacks in this system operated mostly from shotgun. Most quarterbacks today heavily operates from the shotgun.
Can’t spread the ball around when your receivers aren’t winning and getting open. Can’t spread the ball around when you can’t trust the backups or new receivers to run the right routes.
At least with Cook he has a little experience playing in this type system. So the adjustments should be easier for him. Chemistry should be better with Stills. Cobb is a really good veteran addition hopefully it doesn’t take him long to learn this offense.
The tight end group should be ready. The offensive line play has to get better in pass pro. That way we can utilize these tight ends more often in the passing game.
WFV is every bit as dynamic as Hill when healthy. It's not like DW4 doesn't have weapons.
Many on here dont think BOB was playing to DW4's strengths
I believe I've said many times BOB should've been fired after 51-7. (He's not going to win a championship) But lets not act like BOB hasn't been playing to DW4's strengths. You just said so yourself, whether you realize it or not.
They have to sign Miller if Bob wants to run him anywhere.I agree, DW4 has some good tools, but they're different & Reid knows how to use the one to set up the other. He'll bowl you over a couple of times with Kelce... & when you get frustrated trying to stop him, Reid pops the top with Hill.
BO'b will continue to run Miller up the middle on 1st down until it works.
I agree, DW4 has some good tools, but they're different & Reid knows how to use the one to set up the other. He'll bowl you over a couple of times with Kelce... & when you get frustrated trying to stop him, Reid pops the top with Hill.
BO'b will continue to run Miller up the middle on 1st down until it works.
Nobody is saying that was my main point.
Because we've got a long history of BO'b using his players to the best of their ability.
Not...
Ever ask yourself why BOB feels the need to shrten the game? Trust me I've got the same issue with BOB that I had with Kubiak. (Too conservative.)
It's kind of hard to use players to the best of their abilities with Fitz/Hoyer/Is at QB, especially with some of the Ol's they've had.
there’s a difference between “shortening the game” & banging your head against the wall. Kubiak did the former, O’Brien the latter.
there’s a difference between “shortening the game” & banging your head against the wall. Kubiak did the former, O’Brien the latter.
There was absolutely no good reason to start Hoyer against KC in the Wild Card game. I can’t absolve him of the crappy situation he continually put himself in.
Nobody is saying the stuff you’re claiming.What was your main point?
Nobody is saying the stuff you’re claiming.
And can you post a clip of the game plan being shortened? I mean this looks like the same offense Hoyer, Mallet, Fitzpatrick, Osweiler and the rest of the quarterbacks that’s played in this system . The only difference Watson actually makes this system better with his elusiveness.
There was absolutely no good reason to start Hoyer against KC in the Wild Card game. I can’t absolve him of the crappy situation he continually put himself in.
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They take alot more deep shots now than they used too. That's the reason for the long developing pass plays. They probably take 5 or 6 deep shots a game with DW4. Are you saying that they took that many deep shots with Fitz/Hoyer, who had both AJ/Nuk on the team? Os has never been known as a deep ball thrower even though he took more deep shots than Fitz/Hoyer. Os still didn't take as many deep shots as DW4. Nothing wrong with taking deep shots, it helps keep the defense loosened up. But the deep shots are the long developing routes many here are complaining about. I actually think they will take even more deep shots with the track team they have at WR. This is BOB trying to get guys that play to DW4's strengths. With Cobb running the underneath routes the offense should be very dangerous if healthy. What would really help is if Warring becomes a seam stretcher at TE.
I know it's frustrating.
Ever ask yourself why BOB feels the need to shrten the game? Trust me I've got the same issue with BOB that I had with Kubiak. (Too conservative.)
With the OL he had 2 yrs ago I could understand why BOB tried to shorten the game. Last yr not so much. Turn DW4 loose and let him sink or swim atleast you will find out what you've got.
Shortening the game can also be to keep the opposing offense off the field or keep your suspect defense off the field. Why are you thinking O'Brien feels the need to shorten the game?
Mainly the defense...^^^^
1. Mainly This
2.And to lessen the chance for the offense to make mistakes
If WRs turn out as good as I think they can be and as I posted if Warring is all that a bag of chips, Deshaun can have the stats I posted somewhere (lol). As you say, Kelly needs to open it up and let'er rip. We seem to operate more efficiently in up tempo or 2 minute mode. OTOH, I am always most optimistic before season starts...They take alot more deep shots now than they used too. That's the reason for the long developing pass plays. They probably take 5 or 6 deep shots a game with DW4. Are you saying that they took that many deep shots with Fitz/Hoyer, who had both AJ/Nuk on the team? Os has never been known as a deep ball thrower even though he took more deep shots than Fitz/Hoyer. Os still didn't take as many deep shots as DW4. Nothing wrong with taking deep shots, it helps keep the defense loosened up. But the deep shots are the long developing routes many here are complaining about. I actually think they will take even more deep shots with the track team they have at WR. This is BOB trying to get guys that play to DW4's strengths. With Cobb running the underneath routes the offense should be very dangerous if healthy. What would really help is if Warring becomes a seam stretcher at TE.
Random yes, but definitely correct. I dreamed again last night we traded for more defense help.I hope the defense is better and the o-line continues to develop togetherness. I know those are random thoughts, but...
Random yes, but definitely correct. I dreamed again last night we traded for more defense help.
My dream didn't indicate but I have several options in my 2020 off season thread.Traded what?
My dream didn't indicate but I have several options in my 2020 off season thread.
To you perhaps but there are several similar trades being discussed. Before the trade of Hopkins you would say it was unrealistic yet it happened.Yes, but I've yet to see anything realistic
To you perhaps but there are several similar trades being discussed. Before the trade of Hopkins you would say it was unrealistic yet it happened.
To you perhaps but there are several similar trades being discussed. Before the trade of Hopkins you would say it was unrealistic yet it happened.
That's because as were Texans with Hopkins those teams are under pressure. I just posted in NFL thread. CJ contract extension should be announced by KC tomorrow. Scratch one off my list.The Hopkins trade was grossly lopsided in favor of the Cardinals or it wouldn't have happened. Most of your proposals are lopsided in favor of the Texans
The only cure for this perception is to be more successful than previously, which will be a tall order if there is a season. I guarantee if those agents were asked who is the person most
Out of the 30 agents, 11 of them targeted Houston for having the worst offseason. Here are some quotes provided by The Athletic that amplify exactly why the Texans were chosen.
- “That trade is still mind-boggling. Getting Hopkins for David Johnson? Um, yeah.” Partial
- “Bill O’Brien — there’s no way he should be the general manager.” Truth
- “I just don’t understand them whatsoever.” Gospel
- “They rid themselves of their best player when not forced.” Debatable
Obrien accused of significantly overpaying Texans players. Agents should be telling their clients "sign with Houston before that crazy GM wises up!".
That's because as were Texans with Hopkins those teams are under pressure. I just posted in NFL thread. CJ contract extension should be announced by KC tomorrow. Scratch one off my list.
Obrien accused of significantly overpaying Texans players. Agents should be telling their clients "sign with Houston before that crazy GM wises up!".
Hmmm... I wonder if Eric Murray and Randall Cobb have the same agent?