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dream_team

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What I said was it doesn't matter who the HC is DW4 will never win a SB with this style of play. I also said I hope I'm wrong.

Josh Allen had the better day yesterday and I will stand by that.
Please help enlighten me. I have no idea how someone can claim Allen had a better game than Allen. And please go more into detail than "my eyes told me".
 

steelbtexan

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Please help enlighten me. I have no idea how someone can claim Allen had a better game than Allen. And please go more into detail than "my eyes told me".
He ran the ball well and made plenty of big plays. Fortunately the defense was able to hold them to FG's. The Bills also got conservative after getting the 16-0 lead. A big mistake, one we often criticize BOB for doing.
 

amazing80

Fire Billy O
He ran the ball well and made plenty of big plays. Fortunately the defense was able to hold them to FG's. The Bills also got conservative after getting the 16-0 lead. A big mistake, one we often criticize BOB for doing.
Ok let’s dissect this.

He did run well. Sneaky good athlete. Outside of the first drive which was full of gadget plays, their offense didn’t do anything spectacular. He struggled in the red zone and made costly mistakes that hurt his team including a terrible fumble and bad timed sacks. Let’s not forget his ridiculous panic lateral that was fortunately batted out of bounds. Also let’s not forget the two near pick sixes. I’ve seen you criticize Watson for almost Ints so let’s do the same for Allen.

Their offense was bad all day outside of a trick filled opening drive. Not sure I’d call that getting conservative. They just weren’t good to begin with.
 
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dream_team

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He ran the ball well and made plenty of big plays. Fortunately the defense was able to hold them to FG's. The Bills also got conservative after getting the 16-0 lead. A big mistake, one we often criticize BOB for doing.
But didn't Deshaun also run the ball well and also made plenty of big plays?

Allen made several HUGE mistakes. The Texans weren't able to take advantage of all of them, but Deshaun didn't make similar mistakes.
 

santo

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Allen also got his bell rung by Cunningham. Allen thought he was Cam Newton all of a sudden. Not very smart.
 

steelbtexan

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Ok let’s dissect this.

He did run well. Sneaky good athlete. Outside of the first drive which was full of gadget plays, their defense didn’t do anything spectacular. He struggled in the red zone and made costly mistakes that hurt his team including a terrible fumble and bad times sacks. Let’s not forget his ridiculous panic lateral that was fortunately batted out of bounds. Also let’s not forget the two near pick sixes. I’ve seen you criticize Watson for almost Ints so let’s do the same for Allen.

Their offense was bad all day outside of a trick filled opening drive. Not sure I’d call that getting conservative. They just weren’t good to begin with.
Yes there offense bogged down in the RZ and that's why they lost. They also went conservative after getting the big lead. Yes Allen made some of the same mistakes DW4 makes.

The biggest factors in the win was RZ defense and DW4 did a great job not turning the ball over.
 

steelbtexan

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But didn't Deshaun also run the ball well and also made plenty of big plays?

Allen made several HUGE mistakes. The Texans weren't able to take advantage of all of them, but Deshaun didn't make similar mistakes.
Agreed, DW4 finally went into Run Deshaun Run mode at the end of the 3rd qtr and made a great TD run. One of the main reasons the Texans won was because unlike the last month DW4 didn't turn the ball over and Allen did. A HUGE part of the Texans winning the game. IMHO
 

steelbtexan

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If you make a sound coherent argument with reason and facts you might change my mind. Why don’t you try.
Bullspit

What really PO's you is I dont think DW4 can win a SB and you do. Is that coherent enough for you. We aren't going to ever agree so I'm going to stop responding to your incessant trolling.
 

dream_team

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Agreed, DW4 finally went into Run Deshaun Run mode at the end of the 3rd qtr and made a great TD run. One of the main reasons the Texans won was because unlike the last month DW4 didn't turn the ball over and Allen did. A HUGE part of the Texans winning the game. IMHO
So far, not doing a good job convincing me why Allen had a better game yesterday.
 

amazing80

Fire Billy O
I think it's ok to disagree. If your post though deface a poster every other thread in this forum theres a problem. The constant attacks are infantile and unnecessary. Take your beef to the basement thread and handle it.
Unlike him calling me names i havent insulted him one time. Might want to read again.
 

amazing80

Fire Billy O
Bullspit

What really PO's you is I dont think DW4 can win a SB and you do. Is that coherent enough for you. We aren't going to ever agree so I'm going to stop responding to your incessant trolling.
I think he has just as many tools to win a super bowl as any other young qb in this league. I’m a firm believer Ob is not good enough to coach a team to win one.

You’ve made no impact on convincing me otherwise. No need to make insults. But I guess I’m not surprised. When people have poor arguments that’s what they do.
 
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ROO

Tweak the offense already!
What I said was it doesn't matter who the HC is DW4 will never win a SB with this style of play. I also said I hope I'm wrong.
Which "style of play"? Isn't it OBrien's scheme that forces "this style of play" on Watson? Drop back, OL let's the rushers through, receivers aren't open, Watson fights for survival. I simply believe that Obrien could do better with his scheming and put Watson in better situations.
 

steelbtexan

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Which "style of play"? Isn't it OBrien's scheme that forces "this style of play" on Watson? Drop back, OL let's the rushers through, receivers aren't open, Watson fights for survival. I simply believe that Obrien could do better with his scheming and put Watson in better situations.
The Run Deshaun run style of play.

Cant win a championship this way.
 

Corrosion

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Watson fights for survival. I simply believe that Obrien could do better with his scheming and put Watson in better situations.

I think that's pretty much the consensus around here …. and TBH he could call the same routes but not have Watson stand in the pocket but get out on the edge of the defense instead and it would change the entire dynamic of the offense.
Watson standing between the hash marks surveying the field isn't playing to his strengths.
 
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steelbtexan

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But is that "run Deshaun run" because the pocket is collapsing, or the "run Deshaun run" because it is designed? Two different things.
They do need to design more plays to get DW4 outside of the pocket. Hopefully this happens because DW4 is going to be here another 5 yrs.
 

Corrosion

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It takes so many things to win a championship. If you think Watson becoming more consistent or stepping up in the pocket is all it takes to win championships, you're going to be disappointed.
Do you realize the top 5 QBs with the most passing yards, did not even make the playoffs?


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Stands to reason they wouldn't …. guys pile up a lot of passing yards when playing from behind.
 

otisbean

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You could say he had a better game than Watson for the first 3 quarters - then the wheels came off.
This is not directed at you specifically. One thing I haven’t seen this mentioned in the posts that I’ve read is Watson was going against the 3rd ranked defense in the NFL while Allen was going against the 28th ranked defense. I think that was a strong factor behind the 2 QBs performances
 

Corrosion

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This is not directed at you specifically. One thing I haven’t seen this mentioned in the posts that I’ve read is Watson was going against the 3rd ranked defense in the NFL while Allen was going against the 28th ranked defense. I think that was a strong factor behind the 2 QBs performances

I made the point somewhere that Buffalos defense played their scheme to perfection for the first 2 and a half quarters - While the Texans were playing right into that scheme trap by asking Watson to stand in the pocket and escape when it became necessary - more often than not he wasn't able to escape.
And they were able to accomplish that rushing only 4 , allowing them to drop 7 into that zone coverage and few openings to throw into. At the same time , they were able to keep those inside runs from being very productive.

On the first drive the buffalo offense did exactly what the Texans should be doing early on - make the defense defend the entire width of the field by getting their QB on the fringes of the defense. If Josh Allen and the rest of that offense don't come unglued with 3 negative plays in a row taking them out of FG range , they win that game.

In the mid 3rd Quarter when OB finally pulled the plug on the standing in the pocket idea out of sheer necessity and started moving Watson around (Or maybe Watson took it upon himself , who knows) - Buffalo's defense just couldn't defend the entire field and Watson (the Texans offense) took over the game.

Against a better offense - its probably too little too late. Yeah , Buffalo's defense is better than the Texans ….

I just don't understand why we have to go thru the same BS every week - Lets see if standing in the pocket works and why we have to wait so damn long to make changes when its not productive.
I don't know why OB doesn't start the game doing what we know works , with Watson threatening the edges …. and he can turtle up later.
 

steelbtexan

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I made the point somewhere that Buffalos defense played their scheme to perfection for the first 2 and a half quarters - While the Texans were playing right into that scheme trap by asking Watson to stand in the pocket and escape when it became necessary - more often than not he wasn't able to escape.
And they were able to accomplish that rushing only 4 , allowing them to drop 7 into that zone coverage and few openings to throw into. At the same time , they were able to keep those inside runs from being very productive.

On the first drive the buffalo offense did exactly what the Texans should be doing early on - make the defense defend the entire width of the field by getting their QB on the fringes of the defense. If Josh Allen and the rest of that offense don't come unglued with 3 negative plays in a row taking them out of FG range , they win that game.

In the mid 3rd Quarter when OB finally pulled the plug on the standing in the pocket idea out of sheer necessity and started moving Watson around (Or maybe Watson took it upon himself , who knows) - Buffalo's defense just couldn't defend the entire field and Watson (the Texans offense) took over the game.

Against a better offense - its probably too little too late. Yeah , Buffalo's defense is better than the Texans ….

I just don't understand why we have to go thru the same BS every week - Lets see if standing in the pocket works and why we have to wait so damn long to make changes when its not productive.
I don't know why OB doesn't start the game doing what we know works , with Watson threatening the edges …. and he can turtle up later.
Hauschka has missed several GW/tying FG's this yr. I suppose he could miss another one.

In the playoffs particularly you do what you have to do to win the game. If you need to roll DW4 out you do it. If you need to run him like a tailback 20 times per game to get a W you do it.

BTW, This is what gets me about BOB trying to get DW4 to play like Brady, in the playoffs you do whatever is necessary to win and give DW4 his best chance to succeed and that ain't throwing from the pocket because when the primary option isn't open he gets skittish. I know that you have to throw from the pocket some to keep defenses honest but I would be getting him out of the pocket atleast 50% of the time and design runs off of that atleast another 10 times per game. I loved what Daboll did using Allen's legs and hope BOB saw this and said I should be doin more of that.
 


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