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Texansballer74 said:
A lot of us would but if coaching tightening up, they can build what they have up.

Ummm until the Vikings win a SB please don't use them as a example. New England does not go and spend heavily on the offensive line and yet they are winning SB's or coming extremely close. So you don't have to spend money like that. You have to be able to coach players up.
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They just spent a 1st rd pick on a LT who got hurt. (Wynn) and traded for Trent Brown 3rd rd. So I would say they invest in the OL. Solder and the dude from UH were 1st/2nd rd picks.

So yes, they invest in their OL in addition to coaching them up. Look at what rds the Saints OL was drafted in. Steelers etc....
 
steelbtexan said:
They just spent a 1st rd pick on a LT who got hurt. (Wynn) and traded for Trent Brown 3rd rd. So I would say they invest in the OL. Solder and the dude from UH were 1st/2nd rd picks.

So yes, they invest in their OL in addition to coaching them up. Look at what rds the Saints OL was drafted in. Steelers etc....
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These two teams has had their share of mediocre offensive lines. But they made them work is my point.
 
Texansballer74 said:
These two teams has had their share of mediocre offensive lines. But they made them work is my point.
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Then that makes the Texans severely lacking in something in regards to their OL. They either, don't have the talent, don't have the coaching, don't have the proper scheme to fit the talent, or it's all of the above. Sad part, this has been an ongoing problem for 11 or 12 of the 15+ years this franchise has been in existence.....that's unacceptable.

I think the problem lies with McNair. He's never hired a highly credible GM or HC. A highly credible HC has a better chance at identifying or luring high quality Assistant Coaches to his staff. The team seems to get it right on defense but offense has just been a mess of hits and misses.....absolutely zero consistency.

I think Gaine has been a profound first step and if his first full draft goes anything like last years handcuffed draft, thing are definitely going to be looking up for the Texans. Unfortunately, I'm just not on O'Brien's side in regards to being the HC who's going to lead this franchise to its first Super Bowl.
 
I am pleasantly surprised by Kendall Lamm this season. Not saying he's great but he has earned his spot on the roster. I'd prefer him to be bumped down to swing tackle but encouraging from a "do these coaches develop OL?" standpoint. Gives me hope for the OL going forward. Next offseason with the cap space this team has and draft capital I expect the OL to be improved even more.

But for now have to stick with a run heavy gameplan to protect DW4 and win field position battle. It aint pretty but it's been proven to work time and time again.
 
steelbtexan said:
Because

1. One more toke and Bell faces a yr long suspension.
2. That's a lot of $$$$ to spend on a RB and that $$$$ can be better spent elsewhere.
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Say what ! SteelB suggesting we avoid a potential prospect with a dubious resume, but I certainly concur with his concerns on this guy.
 
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infantrycak said:
Look at some of their highest draft picks. The year before they were having problems. He's correct both have had problems they have schemed around and then drafted out of. NE has struggled and schemed as well.
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When have the Saints Armstead/Peat/Unger/Warford/Ramczyk had OL issues and check out where they were drafted? They even have depth in case of injury. But carry on with this narrative. You can check out the Steelers/Rams/Eagles/Chiefs etc... Do you think it's a coincidence that teams that have invested the most in the OL have the best teams? You probably do think it's a coincidence but it really doesn't matter what either of us think, until Gaine invests in the OL like these teams these teams have you can expect to see what we've been seeing.Good thing is Gaine knows the issues and has the draft capital to fix the issues. Here's to hoping they get things right.
 
Speaking of using our salary cap resources, which F/As should Gaine take a hard look at targeting??
 
ObsiWan said:
Speaking of using our salary cap resources, which F/As should Gaine take a hard look at targeting??
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Donovan Smith/Trent Brown are OT's to look at. The RB I really like is Tevin Coleman. There aren't any CB's in FA worth investing in. IMHO Although they could take a chance on a talented but often injured CB like Jason Verrett.

I used Spotrac as my reference point.
 
Texansballer74 said:
A lot of us would but if coaching tightening up, they can build what they have up.
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Agreed. If this coaching staff can make something out of the OL we have, I don't have a problem giving them better talent. If the line doesn't improve beyond what we see, I think we'd be wasting resources.


Texansballer74 said:
Ummm until the Vikings win a SB please don't use them as a example. .
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I think the Vikings are a good example to prove your point. Coaching matters. Until we have coaches who know how to win, we're wasting time, talent, & money.

Until we have coaches who know how to make the whole better than the individual pieces, we're wasting time, talent, & money. If this game is all about assembling the best talent available what's the point of hiring coaches?

New England is a good example of that as well. Players like Welker go there & are better than they were before. Lagaerrette Blunt. Better in New England than anywhere else he's gone.

Their coaches, like Crennel... good. But a Champion in New England.

Kubiak... good coach. Better in Denver.

Gaine may very well have solved a problem we had in the FO. Maybe BO'b xan change & fix another problem we have.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed. If this coaching staff can make something out of the OL we have, I don't have a problem giving them better talent. If the line doesn't improve beyond what we see, I think we'd be wasting resources.




I think the Vikings are a good example to prove your point. Coaching matters. Until we have coaches who know how to win, we're wasting time, talent, & money.

Until we have coaches who know how to make the whole better than the individual pieces, we're wasting time, talent, & money. If this game is all about assembling the best talent available what's the point of hiring coaches?

New England is a good example of that as well. Players like Welker go there & are better than they were before. Lagaerrette Blunt. Better in New England than anywhere else he's gone.

Their coaches, like Crennel... good. But a Champion in New England.

Kubiak... good coach. Better in Denver.

Gaine may very well have solved a problem we had in the FO. Maybe BO'b xan change & fix another problem we have.
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Honest question, how good do you think this OL can become with it's current talent level. I think Devlin should be replaced, but I do like how he's developed Lamm/Mancz. So you it's the coaching guys explain to me how Devlin doesn't develop OL but he's developed Lamm/Mancz?
 
TheRealJoker said:
I am pleasantly surprised by Kendall Lamm this season. Not saying he's great but he has earned his spot on the roster.
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I agree. My problems with Lamm, or the criticism he gets, is people act like he was option 1. He came in as an undrafted free agent. To be on the roster after what, 4 years is a sign of this coaching staff developing players.

His play in recent games confirms he can play in this league. As a backup.

I'm thinking out loud here. Makes sense that their first reaction was not to put Lamm into the starting lineup. I still don't understand moving your LT, a project himself, to the right side & starting a guy who missed most of training camp on the left side).

Still, don't tell me O'Brien didn't want Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, XSF, Greg Mancz... & blame it all on Rick Smith. Hold him accountable & make him coach the players he has. Don't make excuses for a guy who refuses to coach the players you invested in.

If he's not off having elective surgery during the combine, he's just as culpable as the guy who made the pick.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Honest question, how good do you think this OL can become with it's current talent level. I think Devlin should be replaced, but I do like how he's developed Lamm/Mancz. So you it's the coaching guys explain to me how Devlin doesn't develop OL but he's developed Lamm/Mancz?
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We saw in the last few games how good they can be. Denver may suk, but there aren't many pass rushes better in this league. We've seen what the coaches can do... now we need to see consistency.

I think we should see less help. Every play shouldn't be max protect. Blindside blocks out of the slot were a welcomed sight. Effective chips out of the backfield... it's been part of the game since the 30s, but we've only now seen it done correctly???

After the preseason if these guys didn't know they needed to help their project left tackle... how can you defend them?

They obviously know how to address the situation. Why did it take so long? The talent hasn't gotten better. The coaching has.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I agree. My problems with Lamm, or the criticism he gets, is people act like he was option 1. He came in as an undrafted free agent. To be on the roster after what, 4 years is a sign of this coaching staff developing players.

His play in recent games confirms he can play in this league. As a backup.

I'm thinking out loud here. Makes sense that their first reaction was not to put Lamm into the starting lineup. (Instill don't understand moving your LT, a project himself, to the right side & starting a guy who missed most of training camp on the left side).

Still, don't tell me O'Brien didn't want Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks, XSF, Greg Mancz... & blame it all on Rick Smith. Hold him accountable & make him coach the players he has. Don't make excuses for a guy who refuses to coach the players you invested in.

If he's not off having elective surgery during the combine, he's just as culpable as the guy who made the pick.
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It just depends on who was running the show when it came to retaining FA's and bringing in new FA signings. Bottom line is regardless of who we think was running the show then, we know who's running the show now and you can already see the difference in the draft and prioritizing ST's/fixing the S position and making midseason trades.

Surely you can see the difference in this offseason vs 12 yrs under the reign of Ricky.
 
steelbtexan said:
It just depends on who was running the show when it came to retaining FA's and bringing in new FA signings. Bottom line is regardless of who we think was running the show then, we know who's running the show now and you can already see the difference in the draft and prioritizing ST's/fixing the S position and making midseason trades.

Surely you can see the difference in this offseason vs 12 yrs under the reign of Ricky.
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Drafting Ried in the third was better than drafting Swearinger in the 2nd?

Drafting Rankin in the third is better than drafting Martin in the 2nd?

Bringing Matthieu in was better than bringing in Demps?

Moving Kareem to Safety was the GM's call?

I thought drafting Ervin & a handful of other guys, acquiring guys like Peter's etc... were signs of prioritizing STs.

I'm sorry (not really) but this all seems like dejavu to me. New flavor, honey moon period. I hope beyond hope, for the sake of the fans that you are correct that Gaine & BO'b are on the same page & that Gaine will make BO'b a better coach.

For the sake of the fans.
 
thunderkyss said:
Drafting Ried in the third was better than drafting Swearinger in the 2nd?

Drafting Rankin in the third is better than drafting Martin in the 2nd?

Bringing Matthieu in was better than bringing in Demps?

Moving Kareem to Safety was the GM's call?

I thought drafting Ervin & a handful of other guys, acquiring guys like Peter's etc... were signs of prioritizing STs.

I'm sorry (not really) but this all seems like dejavu to me. New flavor, honey moon period. I hope beyond hope, for the sake of the fans that you are correct that Gaine & BO'b are on the same page & that Gaine will make BO'b a better coach.

For the sake of the fans.
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So you think that Ricky prioritized ST's?

1st yr he's gone and the Texans have the best ST's in team history. Coincidence?
 
steelbtexan said:
So you think that Ricky prioritized ST's?

1st yr he's gone and the Texans have the best ST's in team history. Coincidence?
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Well yeah it is coincidence.
"Causation" would be the hiring of Brad Seely to be ST coach.
Seely has served as an NFL team’s special teams coordinator in every season since 1989. He brings 40 seasons of overall coaching experience, has appeared in nine conference championship games, won three Super Bowls and coached 10 different players to 17 special teams Pro Bowl selections.
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This was one of O'Brien's better moves.
Now if he would just upgrade from Devlin....
 
ObsiWan said:
Well yeah it is coincidence.
"Causation" would be the hiring of Brad Seely to be ST coach.
Seely has served as an NFL team’s special teams coordinator in every season since 1989. He brings 40 seasons of overall coaching experience, has appeared in nine conference championship games, won three Super Bowls and coached 10 different players to 17 special teams Pro Bowl selections.
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This was one of O'Brien's better moves.
Now if he would just upgrade from Devlin....
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Agreed,

Also bringing in guys like Bademosi/Reid/Peter K/Jamerson/Moore/Daniel/Tyson and keeping guys like Peters/Blue/Weeks has greatly helped the ST's.

Hopefully Carter can help the ST's even more. All of these moves have been made with ST's improvement in mind.

After 12 yrs the ST's are finally NFL level ST's. Thank you very much Gaine.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed,

Also bringing in guys like Bademosi/Reid/Peter K/Jamerson/Moore/Daniel/Tyson and keeping guys like Peters/Blue/Weeks has greatly helped the ST's.

Hopefully Carter can help the ST's even more. All of these moves have been made with ST's improvement in mind.

After 12 yrs the ST's are finally NFL level ST's. Thank you very much Gaine.
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Similar to what happened when Kubiak stopped hiring his buddies to coach defense and got a proven coach in Son of Bum.

Sealy knows what he needs on ST and Gaine is “aligned” with the coaching staff to find the players that fit those needs.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Similar to what happened when Kubiak stopped hiring his buddies to coach defense and got a proven coach in Son of Bum.

Sealy knows what he needs on ST and Gaine is “aligned” with the coaching staff to find the players that fit those needs.
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I'll post this again.

Such a difference.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed. If this coaching staff can make something out of the OL we have, I don't have a problem giving them better talent. If the line doesn't improve beyond what we see, I think we'd be wasting resources.




I think the Vikings are a good example to prove your point. Coaching matters. Until we have coaches who know how to win, we're wasting time, talent, & money.

Until we have coaches who know how to make the whole better than the individual pieces, we're wasting time, talent, & money. If this game is all about assembling the best talent available what's the point of hiring coaches?

New England is a good example of that as well. Players like Welker go there & are better than they were before. Lagaerrette Blunt. Better in New England than anywhere else he's gone.

Their coaches, like Crennel... good. But a Champion in New England.

Kubiak... good coach. Better in Denver.

Gaine may very well have solved a problem we had in the FO. Maybe BO'b xan change & fix another problem we have.
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Agreed Thunder the coaching down there in Minnesota is much better. My thing is it took them some time to build and coach that offensive line up. It's very rare to build the line up in one offseason. It's very slim to see an offensive line to gel in only one offseason. We have to give our line time. We have to give the coaching time as well. And as we can see, it looks like they have figured things out. They went back to what worked for them last season. Calling plays to hid both Watson's and that line discrepancies.

Examples:

1. Watson getting the ball out quicker with shorter routes, screen plays and a few roll outs mixed in from time time.

2. Chipping the edge rushers with either the back or TEs to help out Davenport. Establishing the run, even though I hate all the ones up the middle.

3. A lot more hurry up offense to keep the defense gassed and on their heels.
 
steelbtexan said:
Because

1. One more toke and Bell faces a yr long suspension.
2. That's a lot of $$$$ to spend on a RB and that $$$$ can be better spent elsewhere.
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when was last time Bell was suspended? 2015 correct? I think he missed a urine screen at 7 am once as he did not awaken but nothing since IIRC.

I get the money thing but if it fits in the cap and there is no one we miss because of not having that money, who cares?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Agreed Thunder the coaching down there in Minnesota is much better. My thing is it took them some time to build and coach that offensive line up. It's very rare to build the line up in one offseason. It's very slim to see an offensive line to gel in only one offseason. We have to give our line time. We have to give the coaching time as well. And as we can see, it looks like they have figured things out. They went back to what worked for them last season. Calling plays to hid both Watson's and that line discrepancies.

Examples:

1. Watson getting the ball out quicker with shorter routes, screen plays and a few roll outs mixed in from time time.

2. Chipping the edge rushers with either the back or TEs to help out Davenport. Establishing the run, even though I hate all the ones up the middle.

3. A lot more hurry up offense to keep the defense gassed and on their heels.
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Minny added 2 OT FA's and drafted a C 2 offseasons ago and made the NFCCG last yr.

None of this matters, tell me what you expect from this OL after seeing them and how much of this is coaching vs talent?

I like what Devlin has done developing Lamm/Mancz. D has improved even though he still sucks. What are your expectations?

The OL is what I thought they would be, Bad but improving from terrible.
 
steelbtexan said:
So you think that Ricky prioritized ST's?

1st yr he's gone and the Texans have the best ST's in team history. Coincidence?
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Yes he prioritized ST , they brought in one the best ST coaches in the NFL. Unfortunately it didn't work out.

See this is what I'm talking about, you can be so Optimistic about other teams but so down on your own team. You can find all the positives from teams like the Jaguars but only see the negatives when it comes to the Texans. And the excuse of this team has been doing this and that since 2002 is old. Guess what the Jaguars hasn't done jack Turkey skit either since their expansion year. They had one helluva season last season but they're back on bottom.
 
badboy said:
when was last time Bell was suspended? 2015 correct? I think he missed a urine screen at 7 am once as he did not awaken but nothing since IIRC.

I get the money thing but if it fits in the cap and there is no one we miss because of not having that money, who cares?
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He got caught speeding to the airport being late for a team flight smoking pot with Blount. Not worth the risk when you take the $$$$ into play. Bell is a good player but give me a drafted guy like Conner over Bell any day.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yes he prioritized ST , they brought in one the best ST coaches in the NFL. Unfortunately it didn't work out.

See this is what I'm talking about, you can be so Optimistic about other teams but so down on your own team. You can find all the positives from teams like the Jaguars but only see the negatives when it comes to the Texans. And the excuse of this team has been doing this and that since 2002 is old. Guess what the Jaguars hasn't done jack Turkey skit either since their expansion year. They had one helluva season last season but they're back on bottom.
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BS, he never prioritized the ST's and if you cant see how bad the ST's were for 12 yrs (I repeat 12 yrs) then we cant have an honest discussion.

Didn't the Jags make the AFCCG just last yr? My memory may be failing me but I cant seem to remember the Texans org ever reaching that level under Ricky.

Obviously alot of things just didn't work out with Ricky's decisions. That's why he's no longer a part of the Texans org.
 
steelbtexan said:
He got caught speeding to the airport being late for a team flight smoking pot with Blount. Not worth the risk when you take the $$$$ into play. Bell is a good player but give me a drafted guy like Conner over Bell any day.
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That was incident on August 20 2014 I referred to. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...eon-bell-and-legarrette-blount-both-arrested/

If you can buy a day one starter with two last season at 1300 yard rushing each and over 600 more receiving each season no reason not to. Use pick elsewhere or draft a Damien Harris who has very similar stats at 'Bama. Bell, Foreman and Harris would be awesome and having 2 of 3 on first contracts allow the expense.
 
steelbtexan said:
BS, he never prioritized the ST's and if you cant see how bad the ST's were for 12 yrs (I repeat 12 yrs) then we cant have an honest discussion.

Didn't the Jags make the AFCCG just last yr? My memory may be failing me but I cant seem to remember the Texans org ever reaching that level under Ricky.

Obviously alot of things just didn't work out with Ricky's decisions. That's why he's no longer a part of the Texans org.
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Ok you win, Rick hasn't done **** positive for them team. We have been at the bottom with teams like the Browns and Jaguars since his arrival.
 
badboy said:
That was incident on August 20 2014 I referred to. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...eon-bell-and-legarrette-blount-both-arrested/

If you can buy a day one starter with two last season at 1300 yard rushing each and over 600 more receiving each season no reason not to. Use pick elsewhere or draft a Damien Harris who has very similar stats at 'Bama. Bell, Foreman and Harris would be awesome and having 2 of 3 on first contracts allow the expense.
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I'm fundamentally opposed to paying any RB the kind of $$$$ that Bell wants even without his obvious warts.

If Bell were to be signed I certainly wouldn't spend a 1st rd pick on Harris. That's even without Foreman making it back. (I doubt Foreman makes it back to his pre-injury form.)
 
Texansballer74 said:
Ok you win, Rick hasn't done **** positive for them team. We have been at the bottom with teams like the Browns and Jaguars since his arrival.
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I have never said anything about Ricky not doing anything. He just wasn't very good at his job. (Not Browns bad) Do you expect Ricky to get another GM job? I dont. He will probably move into an NFL league office job. He's a perfect God'ell hire (Pure politician with 0 substance) and will do well there.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Yeah right. I know what I'm talking about. I actually watch these games dude.
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Then tell me what rds they were drated in.

Armstead/Peat/Unger/Wafford/Ramczyck were drafted in and then maybe you will see why the Saints have one of the best OL's in the game.

Nah you wont see it.

You also didn't give me your expectations for the OL in general and the job the coaches have done coaching up guys like D, Lamm/Mancz.
 
steelbtexan said:
Then tell me what rds they were drated in.

Armstead/Peat/Unger/Wafford/Ramczyck were drafted in and then maybe you will see why the Saints have one of the best OL's in the game.

Nah you wont see it.

You also didn't give me your expectations for the OL in general and the job the coaches have done coaching up guys like D, Lamm/Mancz.
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You continue to miss the point. Skit doesn't happen overnight.
 
Texansballer74 said:
You continue to miss the point. Skit doesn't happen overnight.
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You can fix the ST's overnight, You can fix the S position over night. You can add a couple of talented OL's and improve your teams overnight. Look at how much the Colts OL has improved this yr just by adding 2 high picks and a 1st rd pick 2 yrs ago.

It happened overnight last yr in Minny after they signed 2 FA's and drafted a C. Look at Rams and who they've added to their OL over the past 2 yrs.

It can be done. The Texans org has conditioned you over the past 12 yrs that mediocrity is a way of life. The Rams should've shown you that's not the case.
 
You get Bell and focus draft on OL and you could have a super bowl contender. You keep playing this waiting game, ''give Gaine time" angle and the already small window closes.

Money is just sitting there waiting on a player like Bell who would catapult this offense and provide a dynamic OBrien has never had . May make him a "better coach" .. funny how All Pros do that.
 
steelbtexan said:
You can fix the ST's overnight, You can fix the S position over night. You can add a couple of talented OL's and improve your teams overnight. Look at how much the Colts OL has improved this yr just by adding 2 high picks and a 1st rd pick 2 yrs ago.

It happened overnight last yr in Minny after they signed 2 FA's and drafted a C. Look at Rams and who they've added to their OL over the past 2 yrs.

It can be done. The Texans org has conditioned you over the past 12 yrs that mediocrity is a way of life. The Rams should've shown you that's not the case.
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Now to be fair you're pointing to examples of teams who put the finishing touches on O-lines they'd been building over 2, 3, sometimes 4 seasons. The complete switch over doesn't happen exactly over night.
 
steelbtexan said:
You can fix the ST's overnight, You can fix the S position over night. You can add a couple of talented OL's and improve your teams overnight. Look at how much the Colts OL has improved this yr just by adding 2 high picks and a 1st rd pick 2 yrs ago.

It happened overnight last yr in Minny after they signed 2 FA's and drafted a C. Look at Rams and who they've added to their OL over the past 2 yrs.

It can be done. The Texans org has conditioned you over the past 12 yrs that mediocrity is a way of life. The Rams should've shown you that's not the case.
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And like I said that is rare. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you don't.
 
ObsiWan said:
Now to be fair you're pointing to examples of teams who put the finishing touches on O-lines they'd been building over 2, 3, sometimes 4 seasons. The complete switch over doesn't happen exactly over night.
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McVay has only been the HC of the Rams for 2 yrs and added Whitworth/Sullivan as FA's and drafted Boehm/Havenstein. The only leftover from the Fisher yrs was Saffold.

Vikings had one of the worst OL's in the NFL 2 offseasons ago and signed Reiff/Remmers and drafted Eflein, then this offseason drafted O'Neil who has had a very good yr.

The Texans could have a very good Ol if they hit on a couple of guys this offseason. This is very possible, it's just the fanbase has been indoctrinated to bad OL play over the yrs and have come to believe as you do and it's just not true. Playing together is a big deal but talented OL learn to play together faster than a bunch of backups. Example: Colts OL rebuild.
 
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