Very interesting...good post....great point....something really screwy is going on behind doors
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Spurred by the Wilfork bust thread I cant help wondering if we're considered right up there with the Raiders of years passed? Are we now a primo destination for senior citzen players looking to cash in on just one last nice contract? Im not referencing the age of our roster...only the aquisition of 1 elderly talent every 2 years or so with enough big name recognition to capture the imagination of the fan base. "See we are doing great things we signed...
Ahman,
Eddie Reed,
Vince wilfork!"
Are we the distant Florida destination players look to retire to BEFORE THEY RETIRE?
"NRG, helping seniors lead a comfortable life."
Ahman,
Eddie Reed,
Vince wilfork!"
Are we the distant Florida destination players look to retire to BEFORE THEY RETIRE?
"NRG, helping seniors lead a comfortable life."
Showtime100
Got JJ?
Lol! Wow. You really didn't follow what was meant by my post.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I probably didn't. My apologies. When you mentioned money, it sounded as if the Astros was spending money.
Showtime100
Got JJ?
No need to apologize. My post wasn't clear in retrospect. I guess when I made the post I was just making it known I think the Texans (McNair) simply don't care about winning as long as he makes his money.
The Astros are tricky in that I hate Jim Crane for many reasons and I'm interested to see how this offseason goes. In his defense, so far, so good. The Astros did their rebuild the right way. They had to frankly, hence all the losing seasons as of late. As you know, they had to stock the empty farm first which meant catastrophic seasons for a 3-4-year span. If you disagree with my thinking on the Astros we'll just disagree.
However, I see no reason to believe McNair gives a damn as long as he makes his money.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I seriously want to think McNair is better than this. It's just there isn't any evidence to the contrary.
I'd love to sit at a bar and talk to you and listen to how your filters perceive what I'm saying.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I can't remember who made the post a few days ago (sh*t, it may have been Texian), but I agree with the idea that McNair wants to win more than anything. That's not the problem.
The problem is that he has been successful his whole life in whatever he does so he has no reason to believe that he can't be successful in football. So instead of hiring guys who know more than him and putting them in charge of football operations he only hires people who see everything from the same perspective as him.
Then you end up with a bunch of guys in a room who always agree about everything and you never get any new ideas. I don't think McNair has intentionally gone out and hired "yes men", but I do think that he is so sure that he knows what he's doing that he refuses to hire anyone who doesn't agree with his ideas.
And he's not totally incompetent either. That would be fine. If he was this whole experiment would be over by now and we'd have a real GM in charge making decisions. He's made just enough right decisions that he still believes his way is the right way. Until he backs off and lets a real football guy run the football side of the franchise his own way we will always be mediocre.
The problem is that he has been successful his whole life in whatever he does so he has no reason to believe that he can't be successful in football. So instead of hiring guys who know more than him and putting them in charge of football operations he only hires people who see everything from the same perspective as him.
Then you end up with a bunch of guys in a room who always agree about everything and you never get any new ideas. I don't think McNair has intentionally gone out and hired "yes men", but I do think that he is so sure that he knows what he's doing that he refuses to hire anyone who doesn't agree with his ideas.
And he's not totally incompetent either. That would be fine. If he was this whole experiment would be over by now and we'd have a real GM in charge making decisions. He's made just enough right decisions that he still believes his way is the right way. Until he backs off and lets a real football guy run the football side of the franchise his own way we will always be mediocre.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Now that is the most sane speculation into McNair we have had.
Mallett started 18 games? When? Where?
I think you're confused. Hoyer (older and more game experience) was pulled for Mallett (younger and less game experience). How am I wrong here?
Texian
Hall of Fame
It could've been me, sounds like me. We share the same thoughts on McNair, he wants to win as much as anyone, he's often the smartest in room when it comes to making money and running a business except when it comes to managing X and Os on football field where he's he's pretty much less than average and ordinary. When it comes to winning and the Houston Texans, Bob McNair is often his own worst enemy and Yes I also agree he needs to hire people who've have proven they know how to win more games than others and then get out of their way.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Really, you couldn't work that sentence out? That explains a lot.
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This makes more sense to me than some ridiculous conspiracy theory. Hoyer got pulled in game one because it was a blowout game. Why not give the young backup some reps?
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Buh bye.
Yeah a coach pulled the 4 game starter to get the young (3 year older) 18 game starter some reps.
End discussion.
Tell me what I missed. I clearly stated Hoyer got pulled in game one to get Mallett some reps. You ripped me by saying OB pulled the 4 game starter to get the older, 18 game start some reps. I think you are confused, not me.
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This makes more sense to me than some ridiculous conspiracy theory. Hoyer got pulled in game one because it was a blowout game. Why not give the young backup some reps?
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Buh bye.
Yeah a coach pulled the 4 game starter to get the young (3 year older) 18 game starter some reps.
End discussion.
Tell me what I missed. I clearly stated Hoyer got pulled in game one to get Mallett some reps. You ripped me by saying OB pulled the 4 game starter to get the older, 18 game start some reps. I think you are confused, not me.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Stop pressing a bad position. Everyone knows Hoyer was pulled for his performance not to give Mallett some reps. You're starting to embarrass yourself.
Geez dealing with you is like dealing with an child. You act like I'm a Hoyer backer. He was ineffective in game 1 so Mallett came in. Are you happy now. I'm surprised you have time to get on this board as often as you're going down on mallet's sack.
I think we should drink lots of Seagrams 7
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You're correct. That comment was wrong.
They both suck donkey balls!
Flip a coin, just because it comes up heads doesn't mean you shove the quarter up your butt!
I don't disagree, I'm just pointing out for the ones that are in bed with Mallett. I know they'll find a way to spin empirical data, but by the numbers, he is nowhere near the QB they think he is, and Hoyer is not "worse".
That's my whole point, no one is in bed with Mallett.
He just doesn't suck as bad as Hoyer sometimes.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I love when people ignore factual data.
Well and Hoyer doesn't suck as bad as Mallett sometimes.
Now you're trackin!
sandman
Brexit Advisor
So technically OB is a Back-up QB Guru...
Except one turd has the potential to be a Baby Ruth* candy bar.
*Not that anyone thinks a Baby Ruth is a good candy bar.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Straight up truth on the bolded point. I have not seen this level of obvious incompetence from a coaching staff since the early '80's Houston Oilers.
I understand. As Texans fans, we cannot comprehend a front office that has a long term multi-year plan for the future of a sports franchise.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I pretty much said that when OB cut Daniels and Manning, both likely 2016 Compensation Compensatory draft picks. Then he signs Graham to a long term deal for about what Daniels was making and follows that up by resigning Manning after he cut him and lost any comp pick for letting him play out his contract. Basically the Texans will have 2 less draft picks in this upcoming draft due to those two OB bonehead decisions.
I think if you asked McNair and O'Brien what the Texans plans were for 2016, 2017 and 2018, I honestly believe their answer would be,....... HUH?
This post is for you: http://www.texanstalk.com/posts/2535502/
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I think you're missing the point. We're looking at Brian Hoyer after he's already played the most influential games to his development, the first 16. We haven't seen Mallett play 6 games yet. Who knows what he'll look like after 10 starts with an OC designing a game plan around what he does?
Andrew Luck's first three games, he was 51%, 64%, & 47%. He threw for 6.9, 7.2, & 6.8 ypa. 52, 107, 75 passer rating... Are you going to start Bryan Hoyer over him because his 16 game numbers are better than Luck's first three?
I know it's not apples to apples, Luck came straight out of college & his OC had the whole offense practicing around what Luck does well for 5 months. But it should be close enough for you to understand the principal.
Mallett may not be as polished as Brian Hoyer. But hopefully, because that's all we've got now, hopefully he'll be better after 10 games.
If Bryan Hoyer's career numbers, or his two game numbers after he's already started 16 games are not where you'd like your place holders numbers to be, then we need to sit Hoyer & start Mallett.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I'm not sure that Smith should not be held accountable for these type of decisions.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I blame them on O'Brien because he does have final say on the 53 man roster. I understand what you're saying and I agree that this should really be a decision made by the GM. However, after watching this Texans front office of the last 9 years there is no doubt in my mind that Rick Smith is an Assistant GM whose responsibility is to do what Bob McNair and the Head Coach need done, regardless of the title McNair wants to assign. McNair's faux titles is part of the overall problems facing the Texans.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Just an FYI. Charles Jame III waived by the Ravens. Posted it in the National Football forum, but thought it would be of interest here.
I agree completely....good basic points here....this QB thing is not as complicated as some people are making it.
