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Texans place Franchise Tag on D Rob today.

GP said:
And, I will go ahead and predict right now that this will be Dunta's last season with the Texans. He's going to have to display a Pro Bowl season, with multiple interceptions and big-time stats across the board. He's going to have to be pretty doggone good to warrant top CB money after this season IMO.
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Then you should also put in your prediction that if he plays like a top CB, he will most likely say peace to us and go get his money.
 
This is why we have a great FO. This is a smart business move.

Think you're worth top flight money long term?
Coming off injury?
Prove it. Put your play on the field in your check book.

It's all on you DRob. You're a fan favorite and a good player. Show us all you are top flight.
 
He did get picked on a lot more than he usually does last season. He lost his footing quite a few times, let a few recievers go deep on him and lost position more than he has in years past. With all that said, I love Dunta and am glad to have him back. I think this is a smart move by the Texans. Lets see how he performs this season. If he plays like one of the best in the league then we pay him. If it looks like he's still trying to get back to his old form then unfortunatly we will have to let him walk
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Im going to scratch most of what he did this year, Injurys effect your mental and physical games, so we will see next year whether he is worth long money or not.





GP said:
I think Thunderkyss has a point, but I also see the flip side of it: He's the best we got, and we don't need any more holes on defense right now.

Dunta will play here on more season, but he won't get a long-term deal unless he DOES become a Pro Bowl cornerback who has a huge statistical year this season.
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Hopefullt he will come out and wreck, he also provides some emotion to this team but hopefully someone else steps up to take the reigns when he leaves....
 
El Tejano said:
Then you should also put in your prediction that if he plays like a top CB, he will most likely say peace to us and go get his money.
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No, we could always out-bid another team or match. But I think that's unlikely due to how the front office is handling things. The Casserly era was an era of errors: Giving guys a huge payday right out of the gate.

Dunta doesn't hate this team (I don't think). But there is a little bit of apprehension by the front office to just give the guy the bank, or to even allow him to leave without gettig something in return. I don't think Dunta is the type of person to hold that against the Texans front office.

It does stand a better chance of Dunta finding a bigger payday with another team IF we don't do a long-term deal with him.

I just don't think he's going to play to the level of warranting a HUGE payday. Maybe from some other team, but not from ours. So this will probably be a "going away" year for him, but not on bad terms.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but even though the franchise tag in this case dictates the Texans get 2 #1s if another team offers and we don't match, doesn't it also mean that we can take trade offers overall and that it doesn't have to be 2 #1s?

Overall it would have been dumb if they didn't do this with him. He'll get around 9 mil for one year here and can test it and it gives us time to negotiate.
 
GP said:
No, we could always out-bid another team or match. But I think that's unlikely due to how the front office is handling things. The Casserly era was an era of errors: Giving guys a huge payday right out of the gate.

Dunta doesn't hate this team (I don't think). But there is a little bit of apprehension by the front office to just give the guy the bank, or to even allow him to leave without gettig something in return. I don't think Dunta is the type of person to hold that against the Texans front office.

It does stand a better chance of Dunta finding a bigger payday with another team IF we don't do a long-term deal with him.

I just don't think he's going to play to the level of warranting a HUGE payday. Maybe from some other team, but not from ours. So this will probably be a "going away" year for him, but not on bad terms.
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As was said earlier, this is the first time the Texans have ever used the franchise tag, and my guess is they would love to strike a longer term deal, and take the franchise tag off Dunta. I'm guessing they didn't like having to use the tag in the first place, and if they can get it removed, they will.

If they can't reach a long-term deal, and Dunta performs at a pro-bowl level next season, and they still can't reach a long-term deal after next year, there's nothing keeping them from using the tag again for the 2010 season.
 
HoustonFrog said:
Correct me if I'm wrong but even though the franchise tag in this case dictates the Texans get 2 #1s if another team offers and we don't match, doesn't it also mean that we can take trade offers overall and that it doesn't have to be 2 #1s?
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What sometimes happens is the player negotiates an offer sheet with another team but doesn't sign it. That team then contacts the original team to see if a lower compensation package of picks can be negotiated. If the teams can't come to an agreement, the offer sheet gets torn up.
 
GP said:
No, we could always out-bid another team or match. But I think that's unlikely due to how the front office is handling things. The Casserly era was an era of errors: Giving guys a huge payday right out of the gate.
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Unless a team offers a guy a contract with poison pill clauses in it and the Texans deem it too expensive. LZ wrote about that in his blog a few days ago.
 
ChampionTexan said:
As was said earlier, this is the first time the Texans have ever used the franchise tag, and my guess is they would love to strike a longer term deal, and take the franchise tag off Dunta. I'm guessing they didn't like having to use the tag in the first place, and if they can get it removed, they will.

If they can't reach a long-term deal, and Dunta performs at a pro-bowl level next season, and they still can't reach a long-term deal after next year, there's nothing keeping them from using the tag again for the 2010 season.
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I was under the impression you could not Franchise Tag a player two consecutive years, or is that only on the EXCLUSIVE tag itself?

I don't think Dunta would be happy with the non-exclusive tag being applied once more at the end of the season. We could do it. But I doubt it would be conducive to good relations with Dunta.

Just looking at the overall situation, I sense we're not very close to reaching what Dunta wants...hence the non-exclusive tag this season....and Dunta is going to have to come off his number in order for us to strike a long-term deal.

Otherwise, a long-term deal would have been arranged by now. That's my thinking, at least.

Getting tagged, IMO, says the Texans did not favor the numbers from Dunta's agent. All this does, IMO, is buy some time and prevent another team from walking away with Dunta (yet). Does anyone here realistically think that a long-term deal is going to be arranged? I think it's possible, but I think there's a better chance that this is it for Dunta as a Texans player.
 
I was one that was skeptical of franchising Dunta. I think this could turn out really well though. If it was going to happen, using the non-exclusive tag is the best way to go. We all know about the draft picks if he signs an offer sheet and we don't match. I don't see that happening. Maybe we negotiate another deal if it comes to this, as mentioned a few posts up.

What the non-exclusive tag does for our front office is it gives us time. He's allowed to talk to other teams and see where he really sits in the market. It gives us more time to evaluate him and see him practice, play, etc. while he's "out searching" or even negotiating with us. I think once the two sides are close to a deal then the FO knows where they sit with dunta (injury-wise).

If nothin else, this gives us more time to evaluate him and negotiate a long term deal. If one is met, which I hope, I'll be willing to bet that much of the contract is "eaten" this season due to our Cap position. this depense how we're targeting other FAs though. But we've got some GREAT players on this team that will be coming up to be FAs in the next few years, so we've got to do as much saving now as we can allowing us more flexibility in resigning our guys in the future.

I sure hope Dunta can regain form!!! Wow, I'm excited for the season now!:texflag:
 
GP said:
I was under the impression you could not Franchise Tag a player two consecutive years, or is that only on the EXCLUSIVE tag itself?
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You can be repeat franchised--example Terrell Suggs getting hit again this year. Players will sometimes negotiate prior to signing the franchise tender to not be franchised again--example Haynesworth can't be tagged this year because he negotiated a pro-bowl clause.
 
GP said:
I was under the impression you could not Franchise Tag a player two consecutive years, or is that only on the EXCLUSIVE tag itself?
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I'm not sure about the exclusive tag in back to back years.

Cardinals franchised Dansby last year and this year (non-exclusive both years).

Ravens franchised Suggs last year and this year (non-exlucive last year, exclusive this year).

Edit: thanks Cak, beat me to it.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I'm not sure about the exclusive tag in back to back years.

Cardinals franchised Dansby last year and this year (non-exclusive both years).

Ravens franchised Suggs last year and this year (non-exlucive last year, exclusive this year).

Edit: thanks Cak, beat me to it.
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You can repeat it as many times as you like. However, each year would be a 20% increase in salary. That's one reason why teams prefer not to do it more than one year. Next year, Dunta will cost $12 million to franchise, assuming we have that option with the collective bargaining situation.
 
dalemurphy said:
well, as long as contracts aren't guaranteed, at least the players will be giving effort in the NFL, unlike MLB and NBA.
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Amen to that. It's amazing how the other two leagues don't take notice to this and fight their unions to get their sports in this direction. It would makes the sport a lot more close to being incentive based types of contracts and is the key factor to why the NFL is as competitive and exciting as it is.
 
Dunta has previously stated on radio shows that like most players, being franchised would not make him happy.
 
GP said:
I was under the impression you could not Franchise Tag a player two consecutive years, or is that only on the EXCLUSIVE tag itself?

I don't think Dunta would be happy with the non-exclusive tag being applied once more at the end of the season. We could do it. But I doubt it would be conducive to good relations with Dunta.

Just looking at the overall situation, I sense we're not very close to reaching what Dunta wants...hence the non-exclusive tag this season....and Dunta is going to have to come off his number in order for us to strike a long-term deal.

Otherwise, a long-term deal would have been arranged by now. That's my thinking, at least.

Getting tagged, IMO, says the Texans did not favor the numbers from Dunta's agent. All this does, IMO, is buy some time and prevent another team from walking away with Dunta (yet). Does anyone here realistically think that a long-term deal is going to be arranged? I think it's possible, but I think there's a better chance that this is it for Dunta as a Texans player.
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Surely this buys us a season to see whether or not he is back to his full playing level from before the injury? Thats probably the most important thing here, that we can judge whether he will be good to sign to a large, long contract when he is back and fighting fit...

This seems like a very common sense kind of Texans move to me.
 
scourge said:
Dunta has previously stated on radio shows that like most players, being franchised would not make him happy.
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Most of them get over it. While he may have wanted the long-term 20 plus million guarantee, 1 year at nearly $10 million does not exactly suck even the world of professional athletics.
 
scourge said:
Dunta has previously stated on radio shows that like most players, being franchised would not make him happy.
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Absolutely because one more injury like he had in Oakland and not only does it end his career, he wouldn't make 22 million in guarantees.
 
mattieuk said:
This seems like a very common sense kind of Texans move to me.
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Particularly in light of the fact that the Raiders are expected to lock up Asomugha to a long-term contract later today. If we hadn't tagged him he'd be the top CB on the open market.
 
Mailman said:
Particularly in light of the fact that the Raiders are expected to lock up Asomugha to a long-term contract later today. If we hadn't tagged him he'd be the top CB on the open market.
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I would be shocked if Asomugha signed a deal with the Raiders. His value is astronomical right now, Oakland is a bit against the cap, and Oakland is a joke of an organization with very little hope the next 3 years.
 
I really like DR and his attitude and leadership abilities. However, I try to leave feelings out of this. DR is not a pro bowl CB. He may be this season and just as well may not. If team can work a reasonable deal, fine. As for now he is a Texan for one more year. If another team buys him, we get a 1st this year and next. My question is IF he signs elsewhere, we have a pretty good package to consider moving up to get Jenkins who is intriguing. http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=56880&draftyear=2009&genpos=CBOr we can use the extra 1st this season on a need and hope Bennett, Reeves and maybe Molden shine.
 
dalemurphy said:
I would be shocked if Asomugha signed a deal with the Raiders. His value is astronomical right now, Oakland is a bit against the cap, and Oakland is a joke of an organization with very little hope the next 3 years.
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Everybody was saying exactly the same thing about the 'Phins not 6 months ago on the heels of their 1-15 record and then they proceed to get into the
playoff that Fall. Anybody can turn it all the way around in one offseason.
And few say the Raiders are without talent.
 
nunusguy said:
Everybody was saying exactly the same thing about the 'Phins not 6 months ago on the heels of their 1-15 record and then they proceed to get into the
playoff that Fall. Anybody can turn it all the way around in one offseason.
And few say the Raiders are without talent.
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This might be true, but the Phins, Falcons and Ravens don't have Al Davis as an owner. Big difference.
 
now that we can all sigh a collective sigh, how does this non deal as well as our other star players contracts effect the future of our cap situation? Are we going to get hit all at once with having to pay guys?

my records show:

Ryans 2009
Walter 2009
Pitts 2009
Dunta 2009 (if no deal is reached)
Daniels 2009

Leach 2010
Bennett 2010
Diles 2010

Williams 2011
Slaton 2011
Adibi 2011
Molden 2011

Schaub 2012
D. Brown 2012
Okoye 2012

Next year is going to be a very expensive year. Especially if we are still negotiating a long term contract with Dunta!

2010 looks like the cheapest year.

between Slaton and Williams 2011 is going to be a monster year.

We're entering new territory as a franchise that has talented players on a long term status that will get paid.


Weird huh?

I hope we continue to lock guys up with extensions before their contracts end like we did with Winston. I would especially like to see Open Daniels and Demeco Ryans solidified before the end of the season.
 
Better to take the 9M hit now and find out he's not worth 23M guaranteed than to drop 23 M on him.

If he has a breakout year (like Haynesworth in 07) then i'd just as soon give him more than 23M. But the 9M hit now is the best thing for the situation imo. That injury is a career ender for most players. We still dont know what we've got in Dunta imo. He's got a year to prove one way or another if he's worth what he thinks he's worth.
 
bah007 said:
Asomugha apparently just signed a 3 year-$45 mil contract with the Raiders.

No link yet.
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http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

"Asomugha signed a three-year deal that is worth a minimum of $45 million and could reach $50 million, a league source said.

It’s a complex contract that the NFL had to sift through and approve, and it has. The deal works like this:

The first two years, worth $28.5 million, are fully guaranteed. In the third year of the contract, if Oakland wants to keep Asomugha, it must pay him the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks in the game or $16.875 million — whichever is greater. If the Raiders fail to pick up the option, Asomugha will become a free agent, with Oakland not having the ability to tag him again."

How can Oakland afford this AND Lechler after all the big money signings that didn't/haven't panned out a year ago? RE: Tommy Kelly highest DT contract ever, Javon Walker/Deangello Hall's big contracts as well.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't understand this, "he was playing at a pro-bowl level before the injury" stuff. I think he was playing at an NFL starter level, but not pro-bowl level. I don't think he's ever been a pro-bowl corner. His coverage skills are very poor. He's our best tackler....... he use to hit like a Mack Truck, and he shut down the outside edge for any running back in the game......

That spells strong safety to me.

But, IMHO, if the Texans are close to giving him $20 million gauranteed, if that's what they think he is worth, I can't see them not closing the deal on $23 million.

If they are still at a stale mate, the Texans have got to be closer to $17 million.
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He wasn't at a pro bowl calibur level every single season, but I think you might need a memory refreshment on his rookie season which was his best. Look at his stats from that season, and I think you'll be fairly surprised. It was a crying shame that he wasn't selected to the pro bowl that season or receive rookie of the year on defense. Robinson was fantastic that season. The only reason that he didn't get the pro bowl was because he was a rookie.
 
Texecutioner said:
He wasn't at a pro bowl calibur level every single season, but I think you might need a memory refreshment on his rookie season which was his best. Look at his stats from that season, and I think you'll be fairly surprised. It was a crying shame that he wasn't selected to the pro bowl that season or receive rookie of the year on defense. Robinson was fantastic that season. The only reason that he didn't get the pro bowl was because he was a rookie.
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Exactly. He was extraordinary his rookie season...but after that, he's continually declined. I don't know why everyone on this MB thinks that he's God's gift to the Texans, I honestly think that he'd be pressed to be the number one corner on most teams. He's the best we have, yes, but he definitely hasn't been playing "pro bowl caliber" game for the last few years
 
buddyboy said:
Exactly. He was extraordinary his rookie season...but after that, he's continually declined. I don't know why everyone on this MB thinks that he's God's gift to the Texans, I honestly think that he'd be pressed to be the number one corner on most teams. He's the best we have, yes, but he definitely hasn't been playing "pro bowl caliber" game for the last few years
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How quickly we forget. It's sad, really.

Rotoworld comment dated 11/14/07:

(Rotoworld) Texans placed CB Dunta Robinson on injured reserve, ending his season.

Impact: Robinson has been up and down as a pro, but he was having a Pro Bowl year. He probably won't be back to his usual self until 2009 after tearing his ACL and hamstring.
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Quote from Kubiak after the injury:

Gary Kubiak said:
I was excited to see, as we got to the end of the year here, how much the rest of the league thought about his progress come Pro Bowl time, because I thought he was having that type of year as a player.
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TheRealJoker said:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

"Asomugha signed a three-year deal that is worth a minimum of $45 million and could reach $50 million, a league source said.

It’s a complex contract that the NFL had to sift through and approve, and it has. The deal works like this:

The first two years, worth $28.5 million, are fully guaranteed. In the third year of the contract, if Oakland wants to keep Asomugha, it must pay him the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks in the game or $16.875 million — whichever is greater. If the Raiders fail to pick up the option, Asomugha will become a free agent, with Oakland not having the ability to tag him again."
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Holy crap that is a ridiculous contract!! Who is Aso's agent? Haha, I'm still laughing at this. This is probably the best contract for a player that I've ever heard of.

I was dissappointed to read he signed a deal with Oakland, I was holding hope for him next season. I still can't believe those are the contract details... Oakland completely gotten taken advantage of. I'm also assuming it's top 5 cornerbacks instead of quarterbacks.
 
TheRealJoker said:
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/adam-schefter/

"Asomugha signed a three-year deal that is worth a minimum of $45 million and could reach $50 million, a league source said.

It’s a complex contract that the NFL had to sift through and approve, and it has. The deal works like this:

The first two years, worth $28.5 million, are fully guaranteed. In the third year of the contract, if Oakland wants to keep Asomugha, it must pay him the average of the top five highest-paid quarterbacks in the game or $16.875 million — whichever is greater. If the Raiders fail to pick up the option, Asomugha will become a free agent, with Oakland not having the ability to tag him again."

How can Oakland afford this AND Lechler after all the big money signings that didn't/haven't panned out a year ago? RE: Tommy Kelly highest DT contract ever, Javon Walker/Deangello Hall's big contracts as well.
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Javon Walker & Deangelo hall aren't there anymore. Probably were big contracts in terms of the potential but the guaranteed money probably wasn't that much; kinda like how we did with Reeves.
 
TexanSam said:
Unless a team offers a guy a contract with poison pill clauses in it and the Texans deem it too expensive. LZ wrote about that in his blog a few days ago.
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That really only applies to the transition tag as there is no compensation involved. Poison pilling a contract where you have to give away 2 first rounders is not a very smart football move.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
Holy crap that is a ridiculous contract!! Who is Aso's agent? Haha, I'm still laughing at this. This is probably the best contract for a player that I've ever heard of.

I was dissappointed to read he signed a deal with Oakland, I was holding hope for him next season. I still can't believe those are the contract details... Oakland completely gotten taken advantage of. I'm also assuming it's top 5 cornerbacks instead of quarterbacks.
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If you're gonna have to be in football purgatory you better have an agent with mind control powers...
 
Mr teX said:
Javon Walker & Deangelo hall aren't there anymore. Probably were big contracts in terms of the potential but the guaranteed money probably wasn't that much; kinda like how we did with Reeves.
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These were both deals signed less than a year ago:

Walker's deal was a 6-year $55 million contract of which $16 million was guaranteed.

Hall's deal was 7-year $70 million contract of which $24.5 million was guaranteed.
 
buddyboy said:
Exactly. He was extraordinary his rookie season...but after that, he's continually declined. I don't know why everyone on this MB thinks that he's God's gift to the Texans, I honestly think that he'd be pressed to be the number one corner on most teams. He's the best we have, yes, but he definitely hasn't been playing "pro bowl caliber" game for the last few years
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bb, it is like I said at mesg 180, people get emotionally involved with a player. Heck, that adds to the fun or angst. Refer to thousands of posts on David Carr. It is like talking about a spouse or g'friend, we can not always see the blemish and anyway DR is our guy. We drafted him and he is feisty and we like that. He plays hard and with emotion. It is not all about statistics and anyone can get beat or be out of position. Some one posted "he was having a probowl year" before injury. Did not make him a probowler. We can say he played like a bowler his rookie year, but that is our opinion and obviously not shared by all.
 
Asomugha's contract will have some affect on what D Rob gets. You know D Rob and his agent are really smiling after seeing $28.5M guaranteed.
 
4Texans said:
Asomugha's contract will have some affect on what D Rob gets. You know D Rob and his agent are really smiling after seeing $28.5M guaranteed.
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I hope he doesn't fool himself into thinking he is even in the same league as Asomugha.
 
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