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Texans (not) Interested in Trading for Henry

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If they have an interest it is because Henry is talented and the Texans may think they can get him cheap.
 
I've seen alot of Bills games the last couple years because I live so close to Buffalo and my brother is a Bills fan. Having said that I would love to see Travis wear a Texans Jersey next year but only for the right price. Travis can run between the guards or around the tackles has good speed and can run over most LB's. I think Henry had like back to back 1300 yard seasons and only lost his starting spot because Bledsoe was so terrible last year the Bills offence needed a spark so Malarkey inserted basically a rookie RB to provide a spark. McGahee then used his considerable talents to win the job (no shame losing to Mcgahee he could be a special one). If we can pick up Henry without "selling the farm" then he would make a excellent short yardage banger for us while DD plays the majority of the passing downs and if DD gets hurt we wont miss a beat.
 
wags said:
Why? :confused:
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Travis Henry is a very good football player. He would be a significant upgrade over whatever roster spot he would take. Plus, I think he's signed to two more years at a rather small salary ($1 million per year range)- we wouldn't be responsible for any of the signing bonus.
 
wags said:
Why? :confused:
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I am a bit surprised they are pursuing him, but Henry is clearly better than any back on our roster that we know of (Morency is an open book). I think that answers your question. If we can get him for our 4th rd pick next yr, that is a major steal. I wouldn't be totally opposed to our second 3rd rounder either, but any higher than that, and I begin to back off. My only concern is his propensitiy to cough up the ball.
 
That would be very welcoming for me. Henry is very good and has much potential left. Didnt the Jag's offer a 3rd rounder for Shaun Alexander? Then a 3rd rounder for Travis Henry would seem right too, and we do have an extra 3rd rounder next year. Pair him up with DD and we have a bonafide backfield. Keep Morency as the backup, move Wells over to FB, then try trading Hollings or just release him. Also DD becomes a restricted free agent, so at the end of this year we may gain a 1rst and 3rd for him or maybe just a 1rst, or maybe 2nd. So if we let DD walk for the First and Third, we pretty much get back the 3rd we gave up for Henry and gain an extra First rounder. Basically it'd be like trading DD for Travis Henry and a 1rst round pick. We should jump all over this one.
 
I think that Henry and Davis are in the same class of back. Guys who can do somethings and put up solid production, but if you have a chance to get an elite player you do so. Not the worse thing they could , but I am not convinced that he would an upgrade over anything the Texans have.
 
Nobody in their right mind is going to give up a 1st and 3rd for DD, so get that scenerio out of your head.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I think that Henry and Davis are in the same class of back. Guys who can do somethings and put up solid production, but if you have a chance to get an elite player you do so. Not the worse thing they could , but I am not convinced that he would an upgrade over anything the Texans have.
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Let me ask all the DD fans a question. If DD is as good as a Travis Henry, why is it that the Texans have looked to upgrade at every available opportunity? See Hollings, Mgahee, Henry, Morency, et al.
 
D.D. is injury prone and last year his fumbling early in the season proved very costly. Maybe the Texans brass knows something about D.D. that we don't know and that maybe the reason they are pursuing Travis Henry. As a player, I think Henry is slightly better than D.D. and both of them will make an excellent backfield for us. I really didn't expect us to pursue Henry so I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why the Texans are doing this...
 
Nawzer said:
D.D. is injury prone and last year his fumbling early in the season proved very costly. Maybe the Texans brass knows something about D.D. that we don't know and that maybe the reason they are pursuing Travis Henry. As a player, I think Henry is slightly better than D.D. and both of them will make an excellent backfield for us. I really didn't expect us to pursue Henry so I'm still scratching my head trying to figure out why the Texans are doing this...
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I will take a geuss at it. I remember when Ron Dayne became avilible, there was an article about Capers like bigger backs. Is Henry a bigger back than DD?
 
Henry runs bigger, but is on the same level as far as skills and potential go....but Healthwise DD is killing us! Our playoff chances ride on his health IMHO. Johnson and Carr will be there. The line will be average, but the RB spot has been a source and unless we can run consistently, we are not going far. but, Henry is also prone, though not as much as DD.
 
Well I guess he is. I don't know exactly how much more bigger he is than D.D. Just because USAToday says that we are interested in Henry doesn't really mean we are. They could just be reporting a rumor that someone somewhere started. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
They are about the same size,I think that Henry is faster. If you think that Davis has a fumble problem, Henry has fumbled 23 times in his 3 years as the starter. :shocked
 
Backfield by committee with those two would be excellent, if they were amenable to it. Take Davis down to around 180-200 carries per season, instead of 300, and he'll be around a lot longer. Probably fumble less, too. But if Henry wants a big new contract, or Buffalo wants anything very significant in exchange, forget it.
 
Another advantage to BBC next year would be that Davis would probably not then be able to ask for as much money in his next contract, due to weaker stats.
 
Porky said:
I am a bit surprised they are pursuing him, but Henry is clearly better than any back on our roster that we know of (Morency is an open book). I think that answers your question. If we can get him for our 4th rd pick next yr, that is a major steal. I wouldn't be totally opposed to our second 3rd rounder either, but any higher than that, and I begin to back off. My only concern is his propensitiy to cough up the ball.
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If Henry is better than any back on our roster then we are admitting we have not done a very good job in drafting a RB and would consider Morency and Hollings a bust.
 
Porky said:
Let me ask all the DD fans a question. If DD is as good as a Travis Henry, why is it that the Texans have looked to upgrade at every available opportunity? See Hollings, Mgahee, Henry, Morency, et al.
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Let me answer for the DD fans:

Hollings - The Texans took Hollings in the '03 supplemental. Before Davis had ever played a down for the Texans. At that point, the Texans were hoping that Domanick would become a 3rd down back & returner.

MaGahee(?) - The Texans never had MaGahee on the roster. He was drafted in the 1st round of the '03 draft by Buffalo.

Henry - Um, have you considered that this story is total bunk?

Morency - This pick reflects as much on Tony Hollings as it does on Davis. If Hollings had been able to stay healthy last year and show that he can play in the league, I doubt Morency would have been the pick for the Texans. It's not that the '04 season showed that DD couldn't play...it's that it showed that the team needs another back to lighten his load. And the Texans can't count on Hollings to be that back.

Edit: Here is an important stat whenever considering a RB for the Texans. Touches/Fumble. Travis Henry has fumbled 23 times in his career for a 46.3 touches/fumble ratio. Domanick Davis, despite his troubles last season, averages 81.9 touches/fumble. You can't be a fumbler and expect to play RB for Dom Capers.
 
Another motivating factor behind the Morency pick (and any other prospective RB addition) was the need to ensure that Davis couldn't hold the team over a barrel for want of a credible alternative.
 
Capers likes bigger backs

Vinny said:
pure myth
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Yeah why does everyone always say that Capers likes bigger backs if your a very good NFL RB and you continue to produce big numbers year after year he'll like you know matter how big you are. I hear he prefers bigger corners to ...that must be why they got Dunta right? :brickwall
 
Why would we want a player who wants to be a starter? We have Davis. And he will fill that role this season.

I would use our money where we need it most. O-line, or TE.
 
SESupergenius said:
If Henry is better than any back on our roster then we are admitting we have not done a very good job in drafting a RB and would consider Morency and Hollings a bust.
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Hollings has been a bust. Who knows on Morency. I think he has some potential to start for us, but if Henry takes over, then he would be a longer term backup. Even if the rumors are true, I tend to look at this as a long shot, but it is worth speculating about.
 
As a fan of little DD since his time with the Texans, I really see a lot of potential with him in his running game. Sure, last year he coughed up the ball a few times in the season, mostly at the beginning, but that kept on mind "**cking him for the next few weeks. Tough to get that out of your head. People question his output numbers but we "all" know that those numbers are in direct relation to the poor performances by the O line. Toward the end of last year was when DD started putting out the longer yard gains....maybe that's because the line finally gelled or the other teams were just wore out because it was close to the end of the season, but I think that if the Texans were to trade him it would be a huge mistake. If DD was to go to another team that had a better line, his numbers would be huge. Come on, back to back 1,000 yard seasons with a horrible O line is pretty good in my book. Tough to get the huge yardage when the defense gets you in the backfield :ouch:

Just my :twocents:
 
Lucky said:
Let me answer for the DD fans:

Hollings - The Texans took Hollings in the '03 supplemental. Before Davis had ever played a down for the Texans. At that point, the Texans were hoping that Domanick would become a 3rd down back & returner.

MaGahee(?) - The Texans never had MaGahee on the roster. He was drafted in the 1st round of the '03 draft by Buffalo.

Henry - Um, have you considered that this story is total bunk?

Morency - This pick reflects as much on Tony Hollings as it does on Davis. If Hollings had been able to stay healthy last year and show that he can play in the league, I doubt Morency would have been the pick for the Texans. It's not that the '04 season showed that DD couldn't play...it's that it showed that the team needs another back to lighten his load. And the Texans can't count on Hollings to be that back.

Edit: Here is an important stat whenever considering a RB for the Texans. Touches/Fumble. Travis Henry has fumbled 23 times in his career for a 46.3 touches/fumble ratio. Domanick Davis, despite his troubles last season, averages 81.9 touches/fumble. You can't be a fumbler and expect to play RB for Dom Capers.
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Excellent reply, and good points. I mentioned Mgahee because it was a very badly kept secret that Cass was hot to trot for Willis before his injury in the Orange Bowl. He was going to draft him at #3 over AJ.....but after thinking about it, that is also the year they drafted DD I do believe, so I guess you got me again. :thud:
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Come on, back to back 1,000 yard seasons with a horrible O line is pretty good in my book. Tough to get the huge yardage when the defense gets you in the backfield :ouch:
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The Texans have one of the better run blocking lines in the NFL. For some reason most of you guys think pass blocking skills equate to run blocking skills.
 
DC_ROCK said:
Why would we want a player who wants to be a starter? We have Davis. And he will fill that role this season.

I would use our money where we need it most. O-line, or TE.
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I'm a DD fan so I'm not trying to bash him it's just with his injury problems it would be nice to have some NFL experience and talent to fall back on in case DD is hurt making our drive for the playoffs. It would be a real shame if we miss out on the playoffs because DD went down late in the year and we didnt have a dependable number two back that's all I'm saying.
And as far as the Mcgahee thing I think everyone was "hot to trot" for Willis before he got hurt.
 
Vinny said:
The Texans have one of the better run blocking lines in the NFL. For some reason most of you guys think pass blocking skills equate to run blocking skills.
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I've tried to say that in the Past Vinny.... your fighting an uphill battle on this message board with that statement. I think we have one of the better "Drive" blocking teams around and I think are guards are very good especially Pitts, He's a future pro bowler. With a new center and TE our run blocking would be up there with anyones.
P.S. sorry if this was off topic.
 
Porky said:
...it was a very badly kept secret that Cass was hot to trot for Willis before his injury in the Orange Bowl. He was going to draft him at #3 over AJ...
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The pre-injury McGahee was the best college back to come out since Barry Sanders in terms of raw ability. Awesome. I doubt the Lions would have let him get past #2. Casserly might have traded up with the Bengals at #1 to get Willis. He was that good. Too bad, but I haven't seen the same explosiveness in McGahee since. :(
 
Vinny,
It was apparent that they changed to the zone blocking scheme to open holes for DD and the rest of the ruuning backs. They stated that. If they are one of the better run blocking teams in the league, why aren't the holes there and why are the defenders in the back field or meeting him at the line of scrimmage. I don't care if you are a 280 lb. back, it's tough to run over two 300+ lb line man when he meats you at the line. As I stated at the beginning of this post, didn't the Texans say they changed to the zone blocking scheme due to its ability to open more holes for the running game and that they Patriots had a lot of success in their running game with this style? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
i think that if the whole Texans seeking Henry thing is true its simply because Capers is trying to play to his strengths. At this point in the offseason we have to realize that none of our prayers have been answered for the coming of the messiah of our o-line, our o-line is just not going to be that much better next year. With that being said, most of our fans think of our o-line as horrible all around(which is very arguable at times) but the fact is our o-line is a decent run-blocking line, so Capers is just trying to make our backfield go from above average to great. With the addition of Henry and Wells possibly switching to FB we could have a very formidable force on our hands. Once the backfield improves teams will not rush us as much as they did before. This will partly nullify our lines daftness when it comes to pass-rushing allowing all of those short slants and curls that our WRs are supposed to be running this year to be very effective.
 
At this point in the offseason we have to realize that none of our prayers have been answered for the coming of the messiah of our o-line, our o-line is just not going to be that much better next year.
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Why do the majority of posters here think the line is going to stink because we haven't signed a FA? O lines can improve considerably without changing personnel, and don't be surprised if this one does.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Vinny,
It was apparent that they changed to the zone blocking scheme to open holes for DD and the rest of the ruuning backs. They stated that. If they are one of the better run blocking teams in the league, why aren't the holes there and why are the defenders in the back field or meeting him at the line of scrimmage. I don't care if you are a 280 lb. back, it's tough to run over two 300+ lb line man when he meats you at the line. As I stated at the beginning of this post, didn't the Texans say they changed to the zone blocking scheme due to its ability to open more holes for the running game and that they Patriots had a lot of success in their running game with this style? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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We were the #12 rushing team in the NFL last season. That hardly constitutes a failure.
 
JackDizzle said:
We were the #12 rushing team in the NFL last season. That hardly constitutes a failure.
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I dont think some people research or have facts to back up what they say on the board makes you wonder where there coming from
 
Vinny said:
The Texans have one of the better run blocking lines in the NFL. For some reason most of you guys think pass blocking skills equate to run blocking skills.
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I agree with you halfway--the 2nd half of the season. In the 1st half there were two problems, DD being gimpy/fumble shy and the OL adapting to zone blocking--it looked like a big scrum pile moving horizontally along the line of scrimmage with little forward motion and no backside sealing being done. In the 2nd half of the season it appeared both problems were corrected and the running game exploded. Hopefully they put that 2nd half performance or even better out through this whole coming season.
 
DC_ROCK said:
Why would we want a player who wants to be a starter? We have Davis. And he will fill that role this season.

I would use our money where we need it most. O-line, or TE.
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Ok. Understand that with the CAP you cannot save money from this year and spend it next so who are these TE's that you will spend money on? And who are the OLmen that you will spend money on?
 
ojthecat said:
Ok. Understand that with the CAP you cannot save money from this year and spend it next so who are these TE's that you will spend money on? And who are the OLmen that you will spend money on?
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Actually it is easy enough for a team with extra cap space to restructure a contract and put money out this year in the form of a roster bonus and free up money from a later year. For instance just go to Carr (base salary $5.25 mil in 2006 or AJ $5 mil in 2006) and say how about $3 mil a piece now as a roster bonus instead of part of your salary next year.
 
canadiantexan said:
I dont think some people research or have facts to back up what they say on the board makes you wonder where there coming from
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They come from ignorant, close minded, so-called fans who have nothing better to do, so they bi*ch about everything the organization does or doesn't do.
 
my only questions are why would buffalo want to get rid of henry? is mcgahee better or cheaper? does henry want to be a starter and is mcgahee threatening that? i know mcgahee was a badass in college, but henry was clearly the better back going into last season. just wondering what changed their minds. maybe mcgahee is progessing faster than thought. here's one for you, maybe we trade ragone for henry and 2nd or 3rd rounder.
 
atxcoolguy said:
maybe we trade ragone for henry and 2nd or 3rd rounder.
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Lets not mortgage the future on one player.

I'd give a 4th round or a conditional pick in the 2006 draft.

People, lets not forget that this year is Domanicks contract year. And although he's been a great back for us...two teams right now are offering two elite runningbacks for a very little asking price. You can never have too many good backs on your roster.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
Vinny,
It was apparent that they changed to the zone blocking scheme to open holes for DD and the rest of the ruuning backs. They stated that. If they are one of the better run blocking teams in the league, why aren't the holes there and why are the defenders in the back field or meeting him at the line of scrimmage. I don't care if you are a 280 lb. back, it's tough to run over two 300+ lb line man when he meats you at the line. As I stated at the beginning of this post, didn't the Texans say they changed to the zone blocking scheme due to its ability to open more holes for the running game and that they Patriots had a lot of success in their running game with this style? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I'm a pretty fanatical game film watcher and I see good run blocking on the primary and secondary levels in our linemen. All teams zone block and all teams’ man block. If you watch, we do both as well, we just zone block as our primary technique. "Changing to zone blocking" is simply doing more of one than another. Here is a nice article that featured Davis for you guys that don't follow linemen techniques and game play as much as I do. It won't resolve any arguments here but it further helps understand what we are talking about.

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But the graph indicates that he was more consistent in the zone blocking scheme, i.e. a greater proportion of his runs were between the extremes of "stuffed" and "long run", which means he was stuffed less but also had fewer long runs. The numbers bear this out – in the zone blocking scheme he had 73.3% of his runs between 1 and 9 yards, but in the man blocking scheme only 64% of his runs were in that range. Visually this is obvious, as is the fact that he had more stuffs and long runs.
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atxcoolguy said:
my only questions are why would buffalo want to get rid of henry? is mcgahee better or cheaper? does henry want to be a starter and is mcgahee threatening that? i know mcgahee was a badass in college, but henry was clearly the better back going into last season. just wondering what changed their minds.
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Basically this all played out last season. Henry got dinged up, and McGahee basically has the starting job. Henry wasn't happy, and asked to be traded. The Bills have been rumored to be shopping him around to a number of teams. Just to name a few: Oakland, Arizona, Miami, Titans (I believe?), and now the Texans. They haven't been able to find a team that's willing to bite. They've been trying to trade him for quite some time now.
 
DD is the running back for us I think he will prove it this year. I'll put it on the line, he reminds me of Priest Holmes. To me he was 70% of our offense last year-runs and catches. It's good to have a back like that.
 
DD is the running back for us I think he will prove it this year. I'll put it on the line, he reminds me of Priest Holmes. To me he was 70% of our offense last year-runs and catches. It's good to have a back like that.
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Priest Holmes? That's taking it a bit far...
 
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