Mangler
Toro de España
The McNairs need to buy up everything around them off Kirby, then turn Kirby into a nicer more enjoyable/walkable strip. Team Store, Cocktails bars, restaurants, coffee shops, etc.
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Texans may push for a new stadium.
- Thread starter Mangler
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
I agree. That lot where Astroworld used to be should be prime. Those old hotels right next to the stadium parking lots should be next.
Mangler
Toro de España
This! Hell, make a Discovery Green-ish spot near the stadium and go all out. We need people to leave with a good memory of Houston! Everyone thinks Houston is ghetto as hell when they come here for games.
This is what Crane is attempting to do down at the Dyke.
People are correct, the area the stadium is in has turned into the ghetto. It's sad because I've got memories from my childhood of this area being a bustling hotspot not just for the city but for the state and really the world. I remember oil conventions where 70,000- 100,000 people would attend from around the world. Same with people wanting to go to the dome.
There aren't any visionaries in this city any longer. If the taxpayers have to pay for a new stadium at that site, the McNair's could cement their legacy by building out the area and making it a place people consider an event of a lifetime. The McNair's have made enough money to do this 10 times over IMHO.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
It’s all relative. People flock to NO and Bourbon street year round and its surrounding areas are hood and ghetto.
BBVA isn’t exactly situated in a great area once you walk a few blocks away.
I’ve also been to Dallas’ AT&T stadium, not exactly a bunch of happening spots around there…although admittedly I haven’t been there since 2016 so things could’ve changed since then. Hell their spring training facility is more of a hangout spot than the actual stadium.
with a little revitalization around NRG
in places within walking distance, that area would be fine for a great game day/SB experience.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Finally, some common sense. I agree with every word. The location where it currently is located is perfect. Moving it to the Woodlands would shut out a large portion of their fan base.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Just wanted to bump this back to the current conversations.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Situation is complicated due to the HLSR.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I mean that sounds nice, but first the current owner have to want to sell, then you need the city/county to permit it all, then construction, then road improvements (city/county again) and then people who don't live there need to travel there for reasons other than the rodeo/Texans games...or easier said than done
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Interesting idea and really interesting timing
houstonspartan
All Pro
All fair points.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
In Arlington, they developed the area around all their stadiums into an entertainment district. Texas Live is great, they still have 6 Flags. Not a bad idea to do that around the NRG area. Maybe build another amusement park, who knows.
Texansballer74
The Marine
New Houston Texans president focused on renovating NRG Stadium, not building new venue
The Texans are putting all their energy into finding a solution to renovate NRG Stadium in collaboration with RodeoHouston and the county, Mike Tomon emphasized.
www.khou.com
New Houston Texans president focused on renovating NRG Stadium, not building new venue
The Texans are putting all their energy into finding a solution to renovate NRG Stadium in collaboration with RodeoHouston and the county, Mike Tomon emphasized.
I’m on the outside looking in although I’ve been a season ticket holder since the stadium opened. My observation as an outsider is tailgating has a bigger stage than the game itself, and many times after the sounding of the horn, many fans tend to begin filling the stadium mid first quarter, and unless the game is really close begin leaving early to mid 4th. However, once there the crowd arrives they are loud and disruptive to the opposing team, which is great!
True there aren’t a lot of restaurants or entertainment venues nearby, but the same can be said for Falcons, Cardinals, Commanders, Packers and 49ers.
I do question the push for a new stadium that is only 22 years old and newer than both Toyota Center and Daikin Park. I haven’t done my research yet and curious if any other stadiums are on the chopping block this soon. I don’t recall if maybe Commanders, but IMO, it isn’t nowhere near as nice as NRG.
I can agree that upgrades are needed as with an house and they do help to keep a stadium up to date, considering that AT&T is only seven years younger than NRG. I do find the upgrades to the grounds outside the stadium enhances the gameday experience, and the convenient Texas Live is a delightful hangout after the games after games. Even for those who tailgate still have Texas Live if they aren’t ready to head home two hours after the game.
Hopefully, the situation works out favoy for the great Texans fans.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Well, but they have like 7 more years on the lease. They could still renovate for now and still build a new stadium when the lease is up. It's going to take a good 5 years of planning and negotiating to get a new stadium built. During that time, they still will be playing at NRG and can renovate it.New Houston Texans president focused on renovating NRG Stadium, not building new venue
The Texans are putting all their energy into finding a solution to renovate NRG Stadium in collaboration with RodeoHouston and the county, Mike Tomon emphasized.
New Houston Texans president focused on renovating NRG Stadium, not building new venue
The Texans are putting all their energy into finding a solution to renovate NRG Stadium in collaboration with RodeoHouston and the county, Mike Tomon emphasized.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Texas Live works because it's attached to the baseball stadium and has the 82 home dates for the Ranges, the 8 home Cowboy games are a bonus and in no way could they support the venue on so few dates.
cland
Rookie
New Houston Texans president focused on renovating NRG Stadium, not building new venue
The Texans are putting all their energy into finding a solution to renovate NRG Stadium in collaboration with RodeoHouston and the county, Mike Tomon emphasized.
New Houston Texans president focused on renovating NRG Stadium, not building new venue
The Texans are putting all their energy into finding a solution to renovate NRG Stadium in collaboration with RodeoHouston and the county, Mike Tomon emphasized.
I have to say that's some brilliant marketing. Say your going to build a brand new stadium (tax payers: boo, no), then come-back and say you just need tax money for renovating... (tax-payers: At least it's not a brand new stadium. Here ya go). And we all fell for it like the sheep that we are.
What is the "GRB"?
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
George R Brown Convention Center, big boat looking building in downtown
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Good point. Didn't think about that myself.
How long is it going to take to payoff the renovations in addition to the 6 yrs that haven't been paid off? The county needs to figure this out and produce a lease that requires Cal to stay in Houston for 5 yrs after the current lease and the cost of the renovations are paid for. Then the county should have 5 yrs of profit to put towards building a new stadium. Unfortunately if this happens the politicians will steal the money left over from those 5 yrs of profit.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Tonight's Journey concert cut short due to an electrical fire at NRG. More evidence that the stadium is not in the best of shape
Mangler
Toro de España
That’s embarrassing!
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
To be fair, I remember the power going out in the middle of a Texans game when the stadium was 2-3 years old. Shit happens.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Power delivery to the stadium is outside of their control, stuff like this and the fire alarm going haywire during Lovie's press conference shouldn't be happening
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Power was lost to the lights and scoreboard. There was still power throughout the stadium and they actually rolled the roof back to try and get more light inside.
Don’t really see how it’s much different than the speakers and video boards going out this time around at the concert. Power delivery into the stadium doesn’t seem to be the issue in either instance.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Once again, unless you're renting a car or getting a hotel room, you, the Harris County resident; are not paying any additional taxes for the construction and upkeep (debatable that there has been any) for NRG.
This narrative that NRG is a burden on the residents of Harris Co is just plainly false
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
The Texans make almost 3 times the land rental of the plot NRG sits on in tax breaks (it can be googled). And it says that the tax rate did go up to build it.
"NRG Stadium, initially costing $474 million (including financing, infrastructure, and additional features), primarily relied on public funding, including hotel and rental car taxes, parking taxes, and ticket surcharges, with Harris County still paying off the debt. This has led to discussions about potential new stadium construction or significant upgrades, with the possibility of increased costs for taxpayers."
The above is taken from a basic search. The link is for the Chronicle article about it
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Ok, so as long as you don't rent a car, get a hotel room or go the game the taxes of the average Harris County resident did not change. Does that work for you?
No increase in sales tax, or property tax, or a whole new tax for the stadium, mainly a tax on visitors and those attending the games.
And the only reason Harris County has to pay off the debt is their insistence on retaining ownership of NRG. And in their tenure as owners, they have failed to provide the necessary upkeep. Which has led us to the situation the team and the county find themselves in now.
Is anyone surprised that Harris County has mismanaged this whole situation?
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I'd have rioted.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I agree. I don’t care who is paying what. But, a stadium should not have a problem like an electrical fire for any reason related to "lack of proper upkeep".
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Saying all the right things (for now).
badboy
Hall of Fame
Will The following have any impact on the Texans in the future?
www.wkyc.com
Ohio House budget includes $600 million in bonds for proposed Cleveland Browns domed stadium in Brook Park
Ohio House GOP leaders backed $600M in bonds for the Browns' proposed $3.4B Brook Park stadium and mixed-use development. The budget must be approved by the Senate.
www.wkyc.com
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Will The following have any impact on the Texans in the future?
Ohio House budget includes $600 million in bonds for proposed Cleveland Browns domed stadium in Brook Park
Ohio House GOP leaders backed $600M in bonds for the Browns' proposed $3.4B Brook Park stadium and mixed-use development. The budget must be approved by the Senate.
Good question. I did read that the Texans are not going to rebuild but decided to upgrade NRG. Either way it's billions to do so.
Bend over
There's a feeling in the air.
We're going to be paying for the stadium and the Texans are going to be playing overseas. The McNair's are actually looking forward to playing overseas. Tell you what Cal/Hannah, since you like playing overseas so much why dont y'all just play all of your games overseas and we'll fix things up for an org that gives back to the kids in this community. HLS&R
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
So when Harris Co itself says NRG needs 2 billion in reparis, blame the McNair's. When the HLS&R agrees that NRG needs renovations, blame the McNair's. When Harris Co has mismanaged the facility, they insisted on owning, blame the McNair's.
NRG Park needs $2 billion for facility repairs, according to new assessment | Houston Public Media
The Harris County Sports & Convention Corporation released a facilities condition assessment Wednesday detailing the costly repairs needed in the park that is home to the Houston Texans and the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo.
www.houstonpublicmedia.org
Also where did the "McNair's are looking forward to playing overseas bit" come from?
They need to wait at least 5 yrs before they do the renovations, because they still owe 7 yrs before the original lease is paid off. I haven't been out to NRG in the last couple of yrs, but it must've really gone downhill since then. Because it wasn't in bad shape a couple of yrs ago. IMHOSo when Harris Co itself says NRG needs 2 billion in reparis, blame the McNair's. When the HLS&R agrees that NRG needs renovations, blame the McNair's. When Harris Co has mismanaged the facility, they insisted on owning, blame the McNair's.
NRG Park needs $2 billion for facility repairs, according to new assessment | Houston Public Media
The Harris County Sports & Convention Corporation released a facilities condition assessment Wednesday detailing the costly repairs needed in the park that is home to the Houston Texans and the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo.
Also where did the "McNair's are looking forward to playing overseas bit" come from?
Hannah and Cal did an interview at the owners meetings with Vandermeer.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I wonder if the county can turn that 7 years into a signing bonus and lower the interest and maybe the fee? Use some void years or something. Perhaps somebody should give them Nick Caserio's phone number?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
So when Harris Co itself says NRG needs 2 billion in reparis, blame the McNair's. When the HLS&R agrees that NRG needs renovations, blame the McNair's. When Harris Co has mismanaged the facility, they insisted on owning, blame the McNair's.
NRG Park needs $2 billion for facility repairs, according to new assessment | Houston Public Media
The Harris County Sports & Convention Corporation released a facilities condition assessment Wednesday detailing the costly repairs needed in the park that is home to the Houston Texans and the Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo.
Also where did the "McNair's are looking forward to playing overseas bit" come from?
Wait, 2 Billion for repairs?? Isn’t that about a billion more than what a new stadium would cost?
It is not in bad shape in my opinion. There are things that could better or newer, but no one who has gone to a game with me has said one negative thing about the building or facilities since a return as upper deck season ticket holder.
Check that...escalators is the only thing
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I would contend that, when talking about playing overseas, Cal and Hannah were "toeing the company line". The league office has made it pretty clear that overseas games a here to stay, and look to make all of the owners a fair bit of cash. Even Jerry Jones doesn't speak-out against them.
As for waiting to do renovations....do you wait to improve/repair your house till your lease is almost up? Also would you pay to improve something you don't own? Harris Co insisted on owning the facility and therefore the burden of upkeep and improvement falls to them. If you wanted the team to bear that responsibility sell them NRG and be done with it
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
It's about the cost of the new stadium in Buffalo, a billion less than what Cleveland is planning.
I walk the ramp down. Not getting involved in that.
I have had my wife and and godfather who were insistent on that thing which may or may not work. I like the walk overall (purple lot), but tight games where everyone leaves close to the same time either way is not really that great.
The stadium isn't in bad shape, they want all of the bells and whistles along with the new suites. Payoff the existing bill then Cal will get what he wants. Or win a SB.
You know how I feel about God'ell, he's terrible for the game of football, so it makes perfect sense for him to push overseas games.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I think on the surface it's not that bad. The guts of the building apparently are in bad shape, per the county. The county needs 116 million just to fix the roof then never use, and don't forget the fire alarm went off during Lovie Smith's presser.
If Harris County will not meet it's obligations for maintenance then they need to sell the building to the McNair's. It's painfully obvious that the Harris Co should never have been in the event venue business.
badboy
Hall of Fame
It's not about the seats or the escalators . It is about creating new Field and Sky boxes. The money from those go directly into the owner's pocket and it's not shared by the rest of the NFL.