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Texans may push for a new stadium.
- Thread starter Mangler
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paycheck71
Hall of Fame
Who in their right mind would buy a PSL to this stadium knowing that they're possibly looking to move to a new facility rendering current PSL's worthless while there will be all new and I'm sure more expensive PSL's at the new place
Why have two stadiums that will be eyesores for years with zero plans for? Absolutely not.
Mangler
Toro de España
That’s on Harris County.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I think it's kind of shitty to just assume ownership would take the oppurtunity to screw over PSL holders. I mean not even the Titans are doing that.
Are you a Titans PSL holder? Officials say your new stadium seat is still being figured out
Those who have purchased personal seat licenses in Nissan Stadium may have a few unanswered questions about what happens as a new stadium could come online as soon as 2026.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah that happens, even though I am not a PSL owner, I would have to tell Hannah that we can no longer go steady and ask for my jacket back.I think it's kind of shitty to just assume ownership would take the oppurtunity to screw over PSL holders. I mean not even the Titans are doing that.
Are you a Titans PSL holder? Officials say your new stadium seat is still being figured out
Those who have purchased personal seat licenses in Nissan Stadium may have a few unanswered questions about what happens as a new stadium could come online as soon as 2026.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
But that's just it, everyone is assuming the worst-case scenario and there is no evidence to support it. I cannot find one instance of a team not at least transferring credits for PSLs holders when building a new stadium in the same market
badboy
Hall of Fame
Overreact is what we do
Mangler
Toro de España
The Rodeo is tied to Harris County/NRG.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Here is an extremely long detailed article regarding the status of the Texans, NRG, training and office facilities........and renovation vs. moving into the suburbs.
I have to ask why the Texans just now are complaining about the maintenance of NRG............why was someone not bringing this up years ago when it was obvious that maintenance per contract was not being upheld. The McNairs got an extremely sweet deal when they were not held responsible for NRG's maintenance. The Rodeo has contributed much towards the development and maintenance [See the 2nd article I posted below]. It was to the Texans advantage not to complain so that agreements were not reviewed for early rework. The McNairs' insistence on the fiasco of an "innovative" grass palette system cost the County a fortune in maintenance/replacement............ so did the poorly designed moving roof which has virtually gone unused thru the decades. And BTW, NFL teams are now paying for their own new training facilities because taxpayers have essentially refused to do so.
To the McNairs..............Cry Me A River!
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By Chandler France – Reporter, Houston Business Journal
Apr 28, 2025
I have to ask why the Texans just now are complaining about the maintenance of NRG............why was someone not bringing this up years ago when it was obvious that maintenance per contract was not being upheld. The McNairs got an extremely sweet deal when they were not held responsible for NRG's maintenance. The Rodeo has contributed much towards the development and maintenance [See the 2nd article I posted below]. It was to the Texans advantage not to complain so that agreements were not reviewed for early rework. The McNairs' insistence on the fiasco of an "innovative" grass palette system cost the County a fortune in maintenance/replacement............ so did the poorly designed moving roof which has virtually gone unused thru the decades. And BTW, NFL teams are now paying for their own new training facilities because taxpayers have essentially refused to do so.
To the McNairs..............Cry Me A River!
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Houston Livestock Show and Rodeo's investments in NRG Park total hundreds of millions of dollars
By Chandler France – Reporter, Houston Business Journal
Apr 28, 2025
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
The McNairs complaining now vs years ago probably has something to do with their record and franchise QB. It’s leverage. They had none with Rick Smith as GM missing on picks, OB as coach with his QB carousel and bland offense, and Watson as QB getting his massages. Then enter Easterby, Culley, and Lovie.
Well you know the story. I don’t have to explain it to you. I just like to hear myself type.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The contracted maintenance agreement could have easily been challenged without worry concerning leverage based on team performance. That challenge would have cost the McNairs a fortune, even if they won. So they let is slide until they planned on restructuring or moving.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If the maintenance being done did not keep the facility from deteriorating, would that not be a violation of the contract? Seems like that would have been readily corrected by a mediator.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I haven't had the chance to find the wording of the orignal funding vote, but I'm fairly confident the county's ownership, and therefore their responsibilty for maintenance, was in the wording. Changing the agreement would have been much more difficult than if it was just a contract dispute.
Also some of y'all are actually advocating for a tennat to be held responsibile for upkeep of a building they rent, and in the Texans cause use significanly less than the owner (Harris County). If someone was applying this logic to an apartment complex their would be mass protests
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
This all avoids the question of why there has been no challenge by the Texans to a simple contract agreement with the county.
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
Why? I'd be willing to bet that the main issue is who owns NRG. Harris County will not give it up, and the Texans refuse to pay maintenance for a building they don't own or are the primary user of
Edit: Not sure it is that simple, since the funding/ownership of NRG was directly tied to a public vote
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
We actually want you to explain it to us.
Doesn't make sense to me. With limited exceptions, most contracts/leases allow you to modify the agreement if all the parties agree. Furthermore, for a contract/lease of this magnitude, I would imagine there would be a mediation/arbitration clause that would allow you to settle disputes without a full fledged lawsuit. Let's assume that the scuttlebutt is accurate and Harris County was responsible for something in their contract (for example: the maintenance). If the Texans organization knew that they weren't complying the terms of the agreement, and failed to give notice to the "breaching party" (Harris County) under the terms of their agreement, then Harris County has a good argument of waiver of this provision. Not a sound legal strategy by the Texans if this is case.
I would like to point out that in Texas, typically, agreements between "sophisticated" parties like companies/entities have a ton of latitude to agree to whatever provisions they like, even if they are draconian.
Disclaimer: I have not read the agreement and have no idea what type of monstrosity both parties $1,000 per hour attorneys drafted.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The point is that there is no question as to who has owned NRG stadium 9and it isn't McNair) and who has the responsibility for maintenance by contract (and it isn't McNair).
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
wrong thread
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
We actually want you to explain it to us.
That’s what I am talking about. They let it slide until the team was doing much better and can say we will just move cause we aren’t getting what we want. Thats the leverage I am talking about.
Had they tried this grand standing when OB was GM or Culley was HC everyone would have laughed at them and said Bye Felicia.
Now everyone is going to bend over backwards to bid for the Texans’ new HQ and possible stadium.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Leverage? Only in the mind of Texans fans would the Texans' competition accomplishments be so overvalued, especially in such a weak division the past few years. The Texans have won 8 AFC South division championships in 2010, 2012, 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019, 2023, and 2024. They are the only franchise never to have won a road playoff game and the only one never to have appeared in a conference championship game. Leverage? I don't believe so..
What leverage? You can go to any Texans home game, and when the opposing team scores their fans in the building sound as loud as ours. That’s not leverage.
Mangler
Toro de España
I don’t even blame Texans’ fans. Hell, I’ve emotionally detached myself over the years (since 2014) and have not felt truly excited about the team since Kubiak was shite canned. I had ZERO faith in Professor Buttchin and the rest of the losers that followed at HC. Nick and Demeco have done a great job though and I hope they reignite that fanboy fire in me.
Anyway, I agree with you and Doc. The Texans have ZERO leverage, but there will be a county that will give them what they want. I hope they do get a new state of the art stadium somewhere else. I absolutely hate NRG’s location!
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It’s like you didn’t even read what I wrote.
Just because the team is good, doesn’t mean they can just say “well we are going to up and move” while taxpayers foot the bill. The Texans just do not have that leverage. If there is a move, it’s because Rodeohouston wants a move.
Texansballer74
The Marine
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Other teams have done it before in worse markets. The Texans do have that leverage.
If NRG doesnt doesn’t do what they are supposed to do you see surrounding municipalities bid for what the McNairs want.
It’s simple.
Mangler
Toro de España
Cal will get his new stadium if he really wants to move out of that ghetto arse location. There’s tons of real estate between Houston and Cleveland, TX off 99. Hell, there’s a lot between the Woodlands and New Waverly if they want to build the stadium/mixed use development of their dreams!
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
badboy
Hall of Fame
Going is not the problem. Paying for the going is the problem.