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Texans hire Bill O'Brien as HC

Hervoyel said:
Why would you care? Tony Hollings produced for Georgia Tech. Maybe if he'd had a coach like O'Brien here in Houston he wouldn't have been such a footnote and warning to others here
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I'm not holding it against O'Brien-- It was just another reminder of horrible decisions that crippled the organization... I thought it was funny, as I was looking to get a sense of O'Brien's influences to run into Tony Hollings in his bio.
 
steelbtexan said:
Gibbs was well paid and rightfully so, tell me was Sherman highly paid? I dont think so.

Was Rhodes highly paid? Probably not.
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Well, it least we've already blown your "BoB has never paid for a top notch Asst coach, until Wade" assertion out of the water.

It must be nice to make such negative assumptions about folks simply because of what you wanted to think was true. If you've got any evidence (or even a logical line of reasoning) supporting why you think what you do, I'd love to hear it.

The fact of the matter is there's not going to be anything concrete that says what he was paid, but Sherman was coming off a 6 year stint as HC of the Packers that included 5 winning seasons, four trips to the playoffs, three NFC North divisional titles in a row, and a 57-43 regular season record. That sounds like someone who would have had some options, and that usually translates to dollars.

Rhodes had 5 years experience as an NFL HC- two of those years resulted in playoff teams, and one of them resulted in a trip to the NFC divisional title game. His last job prior to joining the Texans was as the DC for the Seahawks. His final two full seasons there, they'd been divisional winners, and had top 10 defenses (measured by yardage one year, and points allowed the other). He left Seattle because of health reasons. Again, no solid proof, but that strikes me as someone who would have had more than one team interested at the time he decided he was ready to return to NFL coaching.

At the time they were hired by the Texans, both guys had resumes and backgrounds that should have been desirable to more than a few NFL teams.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Well, it least we've already blown your "BoB has never paid for a top notch Asst coach, until Wade" assertion out of the water.

It must be nice to make such negative assumptions about folks simply because of what you wanted to think was true. If you've got any evidence (or even a logical line of reasoning) supporting why you think what you do, I'd love to hear it.

The fact of the matter is there's not going to be anything concrete that says what he was paid, but Sherman was coming off a 6 year stint as HC of the Packers that included 5 winning seasons, four trips to the playoffs, three NFC North divisional titles in a row, and a 57-43 regular season record. That sounds like someone who would have had some options, and that usually translates to dollars.

Rhodes had 5 years experience as an NFL HC- two of those years resulted in playoff teams, and one of them resulted in a trip to the NFC divisional title game. His last job prior to joining the Texans was as the DC for the Seahawks. His final two full seasons there, they'd been divisional winners, and had top 10 defenses (measured by yardage one year, and points allowed the other). He left Seattle because of health reasons. Again, no solid proof, but that strikes me as someone who would have had more than one team interested at the time he decided he was ready to return to NFL coaching.

At the time they were hired by the Texans, both guys had resumes and backgrounds that should have been desirable to more than a few NFL teams.
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And both of them were out of work for more than 1 season before Gary hired them. More FoG if you ask me. I wish I knew a site that you could see what AC's have been paid throughout the yrs and the correlation between paying AC's vs winning teams.

Can you tell me what Sherman/Rhodes were paid PER yr while they were here? If not I think we are both jumping to conclusions. The fact that Sherman/Rhodes were out of work for multiple yrs before signing on with Gary leads me to believe they came on the cheap.
 
Just reporting on espn that he's a big favorite to be new HC with both sides negotiating to make a deal happen

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Bill O'Brien & Texans intensify talks they hope will make him next coach in Houston, per sources. ESPN link soon from myself & @AdamSchefter
 
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And this should be appropriate...

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steelbtexan said:
And both of them were out of work for more than 1 season before Gary hired them. More FoG if you ask me. I wish I knew a site that you could see what AC's have been paid throughout the yrs and the correlation between paying AC's vs winning teams.

Can you tell me what Sherman/Rhodes were paid PER yr while they were here? If not I think we are both jumping to conclusions. The fact that Sherman/Rhodes were out of work for multiple yrs before signing on with Gary leads me to believe they came on the cheap.
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Mike Sherman was fired by Green Bay on Jan. 2, 2006. He was hired by the Texans Feb. 15, 2006. There was no out of work for even one season.

The reason for Ray Rhodes missing the 2007 season (he started the 2006 season but that ended with an emergency landing of the team plane midway through the season) is obvious - health.
 
If it ends up working out between both parties I will be pretty happy, as it means that McNair did not take the safe route.
 
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LonerATO said:
If it ends up working out between both parties I will be pretty happy as it means that McNair did not take the safe route.
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Agree, though, we're going to have to be a bit more patient than we think. O'Brien has never been a head coach, and will be on a learning curve.

Sounds like we're in the final stage of getting O'Brien. I'm on board with this hire. I think he could change the overall culture of this franchise, which is badly needed.

Also: I don't think Lovie was a Rooney Rule candidate. People have labeled him a re-tread, but the truth is, the guy is a successful, accomplished coach that deserves legit consideration for head coach jobs.


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houstonspartan said:
Also: I don't think Lovie was a Rooney Rule candidate. People have labeled him a re-tread, but the truth is, the guy is a successful, accomplished coach that deserves legit consideration for head coach jobs.
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If we hadn't interviewed Lovie, then we wouldn't even be able to think about being this deep in negotiations with O'Brien because we'd still have to bring in a minority and interview them.

That's not to say that Lovie wasn't a real candidate or that he doesn't have the credentials to be a real candidate.

But he did fulfill our Rooney Rule requirement.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
If we hadn't interviewed Lovie, then we wouldn't even be able to think about being this deep in negotiations with O'Brien because we'd still have to bring in a minority and interview them.



That's not to say that Lovie wasn't a real candidate or that he doesn't have the credentials to be a real candidate.



But he did fulfill our Rooney Rule requirement.
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Yes, he did. My point was that he clearly was not "just" a Rooney Rule candidate.


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Wow, it feels weird that the Texans FO has been making the right decisions. Hopefully this will carry over into the draft.
 
I am so excited that we appear to be hiring Bill O'Brien. Mark me down as saying this: Bill O'Brien will be an elite NFL head coach and he will lead the Texans to a Super Bowl.

This nightmare of a season will be worth it in the end by netting the Texans an elite head coach in Bill O'Brien and a new franchise QB.
 
houstonspartan said:
Agree, though, we're going to have to be a bit more patient than we think. O'Brien has never been a head coach, and will be on a learning curve.

Sounds like we're in the final stage of getting O'Brien. I'm on board with this hire. I think he could change the overall culture of this franchise, which is badly needed.

Also: I don't think Lovie was a Rooney Rule candidate. People have labeled him a re-tread, but the truth is, the guy is a successful, accomplished coach that deserves legit consideration for head coach jobs.


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Um, he's a head coach right now, that's the point.
 
TexansFight said:
I am so excited that we appear to be hiring Bill O'Brien. Mark me down as saying this: Bill O'Brien will be an elite NFL head coach and he will lead the Texans to a Super Bowl.

This nightmare of a season will be worth it in the end by netting the Texans an elite head coach in Bill O'Brien and a new franchise QB.
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I hope he finally learned to dunk.
 
You know what, I'd be pissed if this happens.

I'm tired of Patriots cast offs as everyone knows by now (with all the other failures associated from the Pats), STOP.

NO. No No No!

They have not been successful. AT ALL.

Want to lose Dre? There you go. Want a 5-11 season and consider it a success? There you go.

Sick and tired of this ****. How can Isray get it right but a multi-billionaire can't?

There you go.
 
TEXANS84 said:
You know what, I'd be pissed if this happens.

I'm tired of Patriots cast offs as everyone knows by now (with all the other failures associated from the Pats), STOP.

NO. No No No!

They have not been successful. AT ALL.

Want to lose Dre? There you go. Want a 5-11 season and consider it a success? There you go.

Sick and tired of this ****. How can Isray get it right but a multi-billionaire can't?

There you go.
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But with O'Brien we get our 2014 motto:

Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!
 
TEXANS84 said:
You know what, I'd be pissed if this happens.

I'm tired of Patriots cast offs as everyone knows by now (with all the other failures associated from the Pats), STOP.

NO. No No No!

They have not been successful. AT ALL.

Want to lose Dre? There you go. Want a 5-11 season and consider it a success? There you go.

Sick and tired of this ****. How can Isray get it right but a multi-billionaire can't?

There you go.
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The difference between O'Brien and the other guys in the Belichick coaching tree is that O'Brien actually went somewhere and was successful.

O'Brien might well come here and fail but after the great job he's done at Penn State in some extraordinarily bad conditions, he's probably the hottest coach available right now.

I'm wondering who we're going to have as our coordinators...
 
TEXANS84 said:
You know what, I'd be pissed if this happens.

I'm tired of Patriots cast offs as everyone knows by now (with all the other failures associated from the Pats), STOP.

NO. No No No!

They have not been successful. AT ALL.

Want to lose Dre? There you go. Want a 5-11 season and consider it a success? There you go.

Sick and tired of this ****. How can Isray get it right but a multi-billionaire can't?

There you go.
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Lol. His connection to the Pats does worry me a bit, but, I say let's roll the dice. We have had 8 years of Country Club football; time to clean house and try something new. We need a new culture, vibe, energy, strategy, whatever you want to call it.

This franchise needs to be de-Kubiak'ed.



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TEXANS84 said:
You know what, I'd be pissed if this happens.

I'm tired of Patriots cast offs as everyone knows by now (with all the other failures associated from the Pats), STOP.

NO. No No No!

They have not been successful. AT ALL.

Want to lose Dre? There you go. Want a 5-11 season and consider it a success? There you go.

Sick and tired of this ****. How can Isray get it right but a multi-billionaire can't?

There you go.
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I don't get all this concern about losing players. AJ is under contract. By the way, it is not as if he is the key to winning... He's been here for a long time and the team has won two playoff games. I would add, also, that the best team we have ever fielded was in 2011 when he was essentially useless due to injuries.

He's a great player, but his potential reaction to the new coach is not something we need on our radar.
 
DX-TEX said:
Does anyone else that somehow Kraft and belichick were whispering in Bobs ear?
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No doubt. All the owners know each other, and communicate. And, I've always gotten the sense that McNair and Kraft were somewhat close allies. I have no doubt McNair called Kraft and had a long discussion about this guy.


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dalemurphy said:
I don't get all this concern about losing players. AJ is under contract. By the way, it is not as if he is the key to winning... He's been here for a long time and the team has won two playoff games. I would add, also, that the best team we have ever fielded was in 2011 when he was essentially useless due to injuries.



He's a great player, but his potential reaction to the new coach is not something we need on our radar.
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Wow. I actually agreed with DaleMurphy about so something!? That hasn't happened in years. Lol.

But, yeah, who gives a f--k what the players think? It's that attitude that's held us back. The players need to shut it and do their jobs. That includes 'Dre.
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houstonspartan said:
Lol. His connection to the Pats does worry me a bit, but, I say let's roll the dice. We have had 8 years of Country Club football; time to clean house and try something new. We need a new culture, vibe, energy, strategy, whatever you want to call it.

This franchise needs to be de-Kubiak'ed.



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Great. Agreed. But this year was the same bull that we experienced from 2002-2006.

I don't want to re-live that BS and I know Dre won't either. Time to find a winning coach. And find it now.

All the pieces are there, implant a QB and a OL/pass rusher and we will be back to normal. No more rebuilding.

Win NOW.
 
dalemurphy said:
I don't get all this concern about losing players. AJ is under contract. By the way, it is not as if he is the key to winning... He's been here for a long time and the team has won two playoff games. I would add, also, that the best team we have ever fielded was in 2011 when he was essentially useless due to injuries.

He's a great player, but his potential reaction to the new coach is not something we need on our radar.
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Remember our offense without Andre? Think about this season if we were without him.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Great. Agreed. But this year was the same bull that we experienced from 2002-2006.

I don't want to re-live that BS and I know Dre won't either. Time to find a winning coach. And find it now.

All the pieces are there, implant a QB and a OL/pass rusher and we will be back to normal. No more rebuilding.

Win NOW.
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This guy is by far the best candidate available. Who the hell wants Lovie Smith? Whisenhunt? We'd look like the same old Texans. This guy is a leader and knows a thing or two about a thing or two. This team is going to change if they get him and it's going to be good for everyone.
 
bOODRO87 said:
This is guy is by far the best candidate available. Who the hell wants Lovie Smith? Whisenhurt? We'd look like the same old Texans. This guy is a leader and knows a thing or two about a thing or two. This team is going to change if they get him and it's going to be good for everyone.
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Says all 11+ Patriot assistant coaches that have been hired as head coaches/coordinators.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Says all 11+ Patriot assistant coaches that have been hired as head coaches/coordinators.
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As long as O'Brien doesn't walk in with a "I worked for Bellichek and I know everything" attitude, he may have a shot at success. That's what brought down those other coaches: ego.

We need a tougher coach, but we don't need an egotistical jerk. There is a difference.


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Here are the coaches that O'Brien worked for before becoming the HC at Penn St.

Mark Whipple
George O'Leary
Ralph Friedgen
Chan Gailey
Ted Roof
Bill Belichick

Not the greatest coaching tree in history but a lot of good coaches on that list. If he learned from the strengths and weaknesses of each then he has a shot to be a great coach.
 
badboy said:
You may ask yourself, well, how did I get here?
Letting the days go by, let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by, water flowing underground....

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was, same as it ever was


Full song here by Talking Heads:
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/t/talking+heads/once+in+a+lifetime_20135070.html
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This is one of the dangers of listening to too much music. Repeated absurd lyrics reduce your IQ and put your sanity at risk.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Remember our offense without Andre? Think about this season if we were without him.
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Well, I am thinking about 2011 when Andre was either out/ or hobbled after week two... We are damn good that year!

He's a great player. However, this is the NFL and clearly one WR doesn't impact success/failure nearly as much as you believe. This year: healthy and productive AJ= 2-13... I believe he's the only Texan player in its history to be on two 13 loss teams.
 
Marshall said:
This is one of the dangers of listening to too much music. Repeated absurd lyrics reduce your IQ and put your sanity at risk.
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nah my sanity was a t risk way before Talking Heads as I lived through the 60s and 70s. Now the 80s were pretty good.
 
I'm excited for the Texans if they get this guy. IMHO best candidate by far and a guy who will change the attitude. I've yet to read one negative thing about this guy in weeks on Twitter and was gung ho on him from Day 1.
 
houstonspartan said:
Yes, he did. My point was that he clearly was not "just" a Rooney Rule candidate.


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It's always good when one candidate is both legitimate and fulfills silly guidelines. We do candidates no favors if they aren't serious candidates at the outset. Dog and Pony shows should be left to Dogs and Ponys.
 
TEXANS84 said:
Says all 11+ Patriot assistant coaches that have been hired as head coaches/coordinators.
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Put your money where your mouth is. I will bet you $100 that Bill O'Brien lead us to a Super Bowl. This guy has done a phenomenal job at Penn State. He will change the culture at Reliant Park and you will be gushing about him soon. Those with knowledge of the NFL have been raving about this guy. Finally, he will be the one Belichick guy to be successful.
 
hradhak said:
I'd be interested in O'Brien, but there are a couple of things I worry about. His success with NE doesn't mean much to me since Brady and Bellichek are all that's need there.

What kind of offense is he running at Penn State? Are they running the spread or a pro style offense
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and there is the issue of the lack of success of Bellichek assistants as NFL HCs in the past.
 
TexansFight said:
Put your money where your mouth is. I will bet you $100 that Bill O'Brien lead us to a Super Bowl. This guy has done a phenomenal job at Penn State. He will change the culture at Reliant Park and you will be gushing about him soon. Those with knowledge of the NFL have been raving about this guy. Finally, he will be the one Belichick guy to be successful.
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I like the idea of hiring O'Brien but I'm not going to act like I know whether or not he is going to be successful. That's just silly, he's never been a head coach in the NFL before.
 
Wonder when they announce if contract agreed upon? Another thread says one other interview before Tues.
 
Texian said:
Please tell us what head coach asked for less money, less control, accountability and responsibility. So if Rick Smith is to remain a nobody are you saying that Bob McNair is going Jerry Jones? Who was last owner prior to McNair to fire a head coach in season?
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I'm not saying Shaw will try to negotiate less money. I'm saying what makes you think he can negotiate $7M & what makes you think Bob won't pay him $7M.


I'm not saying Shaw will ask for less accountability or responsibility, but what makes you think he warrants it as a first time NFL head coach & what makes you think Bob's mind is closed on the subject?

& Bob doesn't have to be Jerry. He can very well assign final say on the 53 to Shaw. Precedence has been set with Kubiak. At the same time he may bring someone in (Luck maybe) to be VP of football operations like Elway. We don't know.

But you are the one (not me) saying what Bob will & will not do & I'm just asking what are you basing your assumptions on. If you didn't write so well, and come across as an educated (wo)man, I'd have half a mind to believe you're my old friend GP who would fabricate conversations between two people who never met & allow that fictitious conversation to alter his reality, forever spiraling into a world of make believe 'til he couldn't differentiate between reality & fantasy.

But you're not that guy. Can't be.
 
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