& if Marcus Williams is all that, it would fit my narrative. Ricky McNair brought in a talented football player & the coaches decided he wasn't good enough.
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& if Marcus Williams is all that, it would fit my narrative. Ricky McNair brought in a talented football player & the coaches decided he wasn't good enough.
No agenda. I just want to further the conversation. When you say, "put the team on his back" do you mean the ability to tuck & run? Pick up first downs & move the chains?
Like a Roethlisberger, or Jim Kelly?
Or do you mean figure out a defense & puck them apart like Manning, or Aikman?
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What about Arian Foster?
You do realize that Foster was playing out of desperation. Why did Foster only begin starting in weeks 15/16 of his rookie season would be the better question.
gs27
Veteran
AJ Bouye was also an undrafted FA who earned a roster spot over Williams. Ravens let Simon walk and he stuck on with us?
Drafting Tyler Ervin is the reason Wendell is not on the team. Dumbest pick ever, already had similar player, in Hunt, who was better. But big daddy McNair, who would take a bite out of a football, pushed the fan narrative that we were to slow and needed to increase team speed, then we proceeded to draft redundant speed. We already had that in Williams and Hunt.
Drafting Tyler Ervin is the reason Wendell is not on the team. Dumbest pick ever, already had similar player, in Hunt, who was better. But big daddy McNair, who would take a bite out of a football, pushed the fan narrative that we were to slow and needed to increase team speed, then we proceeded to draft redundant speed. We already had that in Williams and Hunt.
Any and all of the above .... Just finds a way to get it done however he has to do it.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
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So?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I have an idea that they may have picked Ervin as a possible #2 after some time learning the offense.
Doubt he gets that chance now.
gs27
Veteran
192 lbs was never going to be a #2. COP gadget back with return ability was all Ervin was or ever could be. We already had that in Hunt. They have no reasonable excuse for that pick, it was idiotic.
Number19
Hall of Fame
I think this is an accurate assessment, but my hope would be that his upside, with several years of developement, might be higher. I've read multiple evaluations and profiles and as one concluded, he has no serious flaws. My position is at odds with many in that I don't think it is a given that this is O'Brian's last year; and I'm thinking that Peterman comes closest to what O'Brian wants in a QB to execute his offensive scheme, eapecially the mental part. At worst I see him as a capable backup with the team drafting a #1 in next year's draft. My plan for putting the pieces in place is a little more patient than most who want to draft a QB at 1-25. But if the team was to draft Mahomes I would be OK with it.
I guess that is the Texans draft strategy in a nutshell. Draft a QB next year. Rinse. Wash. Repeat.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol every year we say 9-7 won't win the division but 9-7 continues to win the division.
OP we will get the QB position right one day. I just hope we don't waste our top notch defense before we do.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Many posting on this forum, not just me, want to draft a QB this year and next year. Peterman is the 6th rated QB in this draft. He's a game manager. He's what I want. You have a different opinion.
Why do you think Peterman is any more ready to step in and play than the other QBs. Mahomes and Watson have played more. Kizer the same. Peterman has 700 college throws, I don't see him stepping in any quicker than these guys. And he has less upside.
Number19
Hall of Fame
A very good OT will fall to us at 1-25. This is my selection for our first pick. Plus I like Peterman. No brainer.
Could. There are also more than three teams that need a OT that draft ahead of the Texans.
We're going to get the one with weight control issues, questionable love for the game, & a history of cumulative lower limb injuries.
So Foster should have been playing from the beginning instead of Slaton. Why wasn't he? Because Slaton was a daft pick.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Revisionist history. Slaton ran for 1000 yards his rookie year. Sustained a neck injury that gave him fumbilities due to numbness in his hands and Foster got on the field after Slaton was injured and vet RB Chris Brown proved ineffective.
Foster could've come in sooner in relief of Brown sure but Slaton was a good player until his injury.
Foster had some rookie fumbling issues, as well. Also got in Kubiak's doghouse while on the practice squad. Still, Foster should have been given an opportunity sooner. The Texans started Moats twice during the 4 game AFC South losing streak that killed the Texans chances at a playoff berth. Foster should have been in there.
Chris Brown. Foster just couldn't beat him out of a roster spot.
I'm sure Brown's rocket laser arm was a big reason why.
I'm sure Brown's rocket laser arm was a big reason why.
Mahomes played in a kids offense. He will need a lot of coaching. HORRIBLE FOOT WORK. Seldom had to do any reading of the defense. He's Johnny Manziel with a bigger arm. Peterman at least played in a pro style offense.
I could think of word being with 'B' to describe this idea, but boldest is not it.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Light on his feet, excellent footwork, quick release, performs well under pressure, delivers on the BIG stage, the bright lights and he's a 5th yr Senior. Kiser, Mahomes, Watson all ONLY 3 years in college. History of NFL QBs has not been kind to QBs with only 3 years of college.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Foster was a product of Alex Gibb's ZBS. Showed great patience.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I'm in for 2 QBs this year's draft, Peterman in Rd 2 or 3 and take a wild card on Kelly in Day 3. He has the best arm in this draft and also has the DNA. Put him on IR for 2017, send him to anger management for the year and maybe just maybe you may have found lightning in a bottle.
Stanford vs Cal Davis Webb
This is not a good outing by Webb, imho. Tons of WR screens and short passes, not accurate down the field.
This is not a good outing by Webb, imho. Tons of WR screens and short passes, not accurate down the field.
Kelly on day 3 would be great. I like his talent. Wonder what CnD's assessment is, injury wise.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Draft the best players available so long as they have unrelenting motors and aren't shitheads.That should always be the strategy.
So you care about what players do in their personal lives?
Give me the high motor guys and a QB with arm talent/accuracy and BOB can teach him the rest.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
It's the essence of strategy that the Texans have not conquered.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Representative of how I perceive a Texans scout team member.
Hopefully the strategy is to let Ricky make the rd 1 choice.
Then lock him in a bathroom stall for the rest of the draft.
Then lock him in a bathroom stall for the rest of the draft.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What proof do you have to say OBrien is good at qb development? I mean kubes turned Jake Plummer into more than functional. Schaub turned 3 starts into pro bowls. What do BOB has on his resume'?
Proof?
None
LOL
If you think this BOB shouldn't have been hired in the 1st place.
BTW, Fitz said he learned more about playing the QB position under BOB than he did anywhere in his career. Hoyer agreed with Fitz.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Lol...whatever.
TripleTap
Dead Wood
Two of the greats.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
For sure!
leebigeztx
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Just because a guy isn't great with qbs doesn't mean he's not a good coach. I was responding to your statement of giving him a qb with arm talent and accuracy and move out the way.
In response to what hoyer and fitz said, they both had better years post BOB for what its worth. He has yet to show he can put a above average offense on the field. Are you blaming smith for that also?
leebigeztx
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You can only work with what you have to work with, and those guys thought he did a great job. I'm really interested in seeing how the only QB he's had a chance to work for 3 yrs does this yr in what is essentially Savage's rookie season.
Nope, although Ricky does deserve partial blame for neglecting the QB for a decade and the OL recently. Reupping Newton etc...
leebigeztx
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He could've evaluated and drafted a qb his 1st year. He had his choice of all of them. He evaluated the qbs and said there was no seperation from any and settled on Savage
And to date, there hasn't been a lot of separation between them
It's been reported by Lombardi that BOB wanted Jimmy G at 2-1 that yr and Ricky told BOB, no that Jimmy G would fall to 3-1. (Whoops) Believe what you want, I choose to believe that report. Lombardi had to get his info from somebody in the know, he didn't lay in bed one night and say I think I will make up a crap story on the Texans drafting QB's.
I don't know that Ricky understands or has ever utilized anything close to a draft strategy
Last year cracked that mold a bit... maybe this year will break it
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
He won't be. That's expecting too much of him ability-wise. In the 2nd place, he can't play and stay healthy. In the 3rd place, he won't be the starter. The draftee will.