So you’re taking out the trash but adding more trash. Yeah great Culture
What trash are talking about?
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So you’re taking out the trash but adding more trash. Yeah great Culture
The same trash that’s been going for over 12+year now. The power struggles of the front office. They can’t seem to get that right. Starts with head right.What trash are talking about?
(SNIP)"That is not even the point. The point is he had negative things to say about this franchise he once loved."
Players coming out against a team that made them rich/gave them their start
Tell that to the "pizza boy" that not many wanted that turned out to be JJ Watt.If they played anywhere in the NFL, they were going to get rich/get their start. That isn’t exclusive to the Texans.
That said, with the talent level here there’s probably a lot of guys here that wouldn’t be seeing the amount of snaps they do here, anywhere else. Not to mention some of the ridiculous contracts that have been dished out. So I guess there’s that.
Like I said, not exclusive to the Texans. If they don't draft JJ where they did, the next team would have, he still gets his shot, and is still rich. And JJ was part of the Robert C era. Things changed once he died. Not that it was very good before, but at least it wasn't the dumpster fire it is now.Tell that to the "pizza boy" that not many wanted that turned out to be JJ Watt.
YES any team will make you rich, but you have to start somewhere in order for the world to see what you can do.
Any of the 32 teams are taking a risk on a rookie... some risks are just smaller than others... but... the risk is still there and like where they start or not.... it's their shot.
Never omce said it was Texans exclusive.... however if one doesn't appreciate what got them where they are, no matter what team logo got them there.Like I said, not exclusive to the Texans. If they don't draft JJ where they did, the next team would have, he still gets his shot, and is still rich. And JJ was part of the Robert C era. Things changed once he died. Not that it was very good before, but at least it wasn't the dumpster fire it is now.
And players aren't going to say anything negative about a team while they're employed with them. And yes, I get the sour grapes angle. But it's not like these guys leaving recently aren't saying things that most of us are seeing.
That's your opinion then. Not everything is black and white like that.Never omce said it was Texans exclusive.... however if one doesn't appreciate what got them where they are, no matter what team logo got them there.
They come off as more an ungrateful jaded exgf with sand in her vagina than anything else IMO
They signed extensions to stay here when their talents could get them placed elsewhere.That's your opinion then. Not everything is black and white like that.
Like I said, not exclusive to the Texans. If they don't draft JJ where they did, the next team would have, he still gets his shot, and is still rich. And JJ was part of the Robert C era. Things changed once he died. Not that it was very good before, but at least it wasn't the dumpster fire it is now.
And players aren't going to say anything negative about a team while they're employed with them. And yes, I get the sour grapes angle. But it's not like these guys leaving recently aren't saying things that most of us are seeing.
Yea they’re both equally to blame. They both take advantage of the situation at the time and there is zero wrong with that. We as fans are left to take sides and espouse opinions which again is fine as this is all we have. I’ve never been a top level NFL player so it’s hard for me to say “oh I would never trash an org after I left” as I’ve never been on those shoesThey signed extensions to stay here when their talents could get them placed elsewhere.
Just odd they dont cry about how bad it is til they are gone.
You support crying players, I get it.
I think both the FO and whiney players after they leave a team suck.
They signed extensions to stay here when their talents could get them placed elsewhere.
Just odd they dont cry about how bad it is til they are gone.
You support crying players, I get it.
I think both the FO and whiney players after they leave a team suck.
Yes of course these players were grateful for playing here. But when things went South, the writing was on the wall. We’ve all seen that crap from a mile away. We’ve been calling this organization dysfunctional. The final straw for those players were O’Brien and Easterby. Mainly O’Brien, he made the atmosphere very toxic around there.
I remember working on one rig I was on. They had this one company man, who brought out a very toxic environment every time stepped foot on location. The moral was very low. Once he was fired the production got better from all the crews on location.
I said all that because Bill O’Brien was that company man. The only difference is the Texans are still acting dysfunctional. And things are not improving.
Amen. That dysfunctionality is a learned routine - negative, (poor leadership). We're are human. Humans are animals. Animals are creatures of habit. We have got to find and bring in a positive leader. O'Brien was a negative man. Negativity breeds anxiety, confusion, and dysfunction, which can become a cancer. Easterby seems to be a dependable carrier. If we are ever to become a destination for the "the cream of the crop", we must change our leadership. Notice how many of our "man among men" have abandoned this sinking ship. Identify and remove the cancer ! Find and install "happy warriors" at the top. Start rebuilding a proud organization .... men who do not shrink from the light of day .... or - scatter and scurry away when the light switch is flipped on .... we've got to start somewhere and sometime. This is a very good place and time. It's a shame ya'll can't see me right now .... I've broken into a big, happy baritone imitation of Nelson Eddy .... marching along, belting out .... "Give me some men who are stout - hearted men" !!
I’m not bragging, but benching your starting QB in the 1st game of the season two years in a row should have been a hint.Agreed about rebuilding and finding new leaders, who dont shrink when times get tough.
Who were these leaders that were men amongst men who were lost that didn't shrink in the 51-7 game? That game is why from that time on I was on board with new leadership and a full rebuild.
I’m not bragging, but benching your starting QB in the 1st game of the season two years in a row should have been a hint.
The guy who does that just wasted your whole off-season program. He’s telling you he doesn’t know what he’s looking at in practice & has no idea how to get what he imagines when he designs his play book to the field on game day.
Exactly, that is as pretty bush league crap right there.I’m not bragging, but benching your starting QB in the 1st game of the season two years in a row should have been a hint.
The guy who does that just wasted your whole off-season program. He’s telling you he doesn’t know what he’s looking at in practice & has no idea how to get what he imagines when he designs his play book to the field on game day.
Exactly, that is as pretty bush league crap right there.
Um Steel, Fitzpatrick and Hoyer were starting caliber quarterbacks in this league. Especially Fitzpatrick. Mallet had the big arm to be one, unfortunately he didn’t have it upstairs. Those guys were hand picked by O’Brien.
Yeah, other than the QB I wasn’t a big fan of that teamYou didn't have an opinion on the meat of my post about on field leadership and the leadership or lack there of that was lost?
You never know when your chance for redemption might come, all you can do is be ready if and when it happens. Houston Texansquarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick is quite familiar with this concept. Fitzpatrick started the first nine games of the 2014 season for the Texans, but was benched in favor or Ryan Mallett, and that's where things stood until Mallett suffered a torn pectoral muscle in Houston's 22-13 loss to the Cincinnati Bengalslast Sunday. Fitzpatrick was benched for two reasons: his own ineffectiveness, and head coach Bill O'Brien's need to see what Mallett could do as the Texans were trying to stay in the AFC playoff hunt. Fitzpatrick had not thrown for more than 289 yards and two touchdowns in any game this season, so there wasn't much reason to expect that he'd go off against the Tennessee Titans this Sunday.He didn't bench Fitz. He just went with whoever was the starting QB after Fitz got hurt. Hoyer wasn't and never was a starting NFL QB. A backup QB at best. Mallett had starting level tools, but was a headcase with maturity issues. Like I said, they didn't have a starting level QB.
Were they handpicked by BOB, or was he making do with what he had. All of them were avg to below avg at best. At what point does the GM start to bear some responsibility for not having a good QB?
Yeah, other than the QB I wasn’t a big fan of that team
Amen. That dysfunctionality is a learned routine - negative, (poor leadership). We're are human. Humans are animals. Animals are creatures of habit. We have got to find and bring in a positive leader. O'Brien was a negative man. Negativity breeds anxiety, confusion, and dysfunction, which can become a cancer. Easterby seems to be a dependable carrier. If we are ever to become a destination for the "the cream of the crop", we must change our leadership. Notice how many of our "man among men" have abandoned this sinking ship. Identify and remove the cancer ! Find and install "happy warriors" at the top. Start rebuilding a proud organization .... men who do not shrink from the light of day .... or - scatter and scurry away when the light switch is flipped on .... we've got to start somewhere and sometime. This is a very good place and time. It's a shame ya'll can't see me right now .... I've broken into a big, happy baritone imitation of Nelson Eddy .... marching along, belting out .... "Give me some men who are stout - hearted men" !!
Good points, and very much reminds me of this quote:
"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." ~ Vince Lombardi
Hopefully Lovie starts to turn this around. It'll take a roster to really do it, and of course winning, but building a true culture that works as a team is something that should be organic, not dictated from the front office. It's about the team chemistry and dynamics, and ultimately how the players and coaches interact and trust each other to the point of becoming greater as a whole instead of individual parts.
That's why I don't like the idea of tanking. It sows a seed that's even harder to weed out."Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." ~ Vince Lombardi
That's why I don't like the idea of tanking. It sows a seed that's even harder to weed out.
For the most part they were paper tigers, much like the Texans division titles. It wasn’t until TD was drafted that Denver became a Super Bowl team, or when Indy fired their HC.Unless you get a chance to draft Manning/Elway etc...
4 between them and 7 SB appearances between them.For the most part they were paper tigers, much like the Texans division titles. It wasn’t until TD was drafted that Denver became a Super Bowl team, or when Indy fired their HC.
yeah, those guys were putting up stats (like Watson) but they weren’t winning Super Bowls without help.
How long was Elway with the Broncos before he won a Super Bowl? How long did it take Indy after drafting Peyton?4 between them and 7 SB appearances between them.
Wrong. It’s just how some of us deal with situations beyond our control while always realizing that 24-7 complainers are being tooled. Our blood pressure and probably immune systems are healthier while lacking the same information to gain a true understanding of any life situation as the complainers have. It’s all a mental approach.All these great players coming out calling out the organization the past few years and yet people on this board defend their front office. So crazy to me.
How long was Elway with t
he Broncos before he won a Super Bowl? How long did it take Indy after drafting Peyton?
That’s my point. Even drafting a HOF QB, you’ve still got 10 years of weeding out that loser mentality
That's why I'm qualifying with "winning" other than that you're the 1st loserElway made SB's early in his career.
& that's the norm, not the outlierThere wasn't a loser mentality. Teams like the Lions have a loser
4 between them and 7 SB appearances between them.
How long was Elway with the Broncos before he won a Super Bowl? How long did it take Indy after drafting Peyton?
That’s my point. Even drafting a HOF QB, you’ve still got 10 years of weeding out that loser mentality
Yep. Manning was in the league for 8 seasons before he won a SB, and Elway was in the league for 14 seasons before winning one.
Teams matter in a team sport. One man cannot do it alone in football. Not even Tom Brady.
9 between them. Elway lost three before he won two. And Manning went to four with four different head coaches and won two.
So 7 SB's in 21 yrs.
Well worth it.
Have we ever had one QB for 8 years?And yeah, even just getting to one would be worth it for me as a Houston football fan.
Have we ever had one QB for 8 years?
Did Andrew Luck (last Elway/Manning type) even play for 8 years?
I’m going to accumulate draft picks & target guys like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Mahomes, & Flacco.
We're talking about tanking vs targeting.Those 4 guys got to go to teams that were a QB1 away from being really special. Those 4 guys never played for a team that was 33 players away from being really special.
Which goes against the “culture” of being Texans worthy. I’m sure the McNairs were up in arms over all this. Playing grab ass in the copy room doesn’t go over well with the Texans “culture”4. Sexual Harassment was a way of life in the Texans FO.