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KA4Texan

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To be fair, about the only good thing you CAN say about the Texans in this state is.

"Yeah, it's cold outside... but the dumpster fire is burning bright."
 

KA4Texan

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IMO neither side is right.

The FO is a pathetic display.

Players coming out against a team that made them rich/gave them their start..... seems a bit like a jaded crazy ex-gf that can't move on.

Instead of going to a new team and "living your best life now" as they say... moving on.... you waste your time poking the miserable old fool you just left.

Before I got married I didn't grumble about the horrible women I left. Just the good ones I lost.

Then I met my wife and all of the past women became meaningless.

If it was so bad, enjoy the peace of your new team in silence.

But then people are free to speak and idiots never shut up... which explains why I never seem to make short posts.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
Players coming out against a team that made them rich/gave them their start
If they played anywhere in the NFL, they were going to get rich/get their start. That isn’t exclusive to the Texans.

That said, with the talent level here there’s probably a lot of guys here that wouldn’t be seeing the amount of snaps they do here, anywhere else. Not to mention some of the ridiculous contracts that have been dished out. So I guess there’s that.
 

xtruroyaltyx

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The Texans don't have a culture right now and they haven't even started building one.

You can't build a culture with stop gap coach and a bunch of players on one year contracts.

They don't have any star players.

There is no tone being set by anyone except the fans who are fed up with the assness of it all.

If they do have a culture it is one of, Assness.
 
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KA4Texan

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If they played anywhere in the NFL, they were going to get rich/get their start. That isn’t exclusive to the Texans.

That said, with the talent level here there’s probably a lot of guys here that wouldn’t be seeing the amount of snaps they do here, anywhere else. Not to mention some of the ridiculous contracts that have been dished out. So I guess there’s that.
Tell that to the "pizza boy" that not many wanted that turned out to be JJ Watt.

YES any team will make you rich, but you have to start somewhere in order for the world to see what you can do.

Any of the 32 teams are taking a risk on a rookie... some risks are just smaller than others... but... the risk is still there and like where they start or not.... it's their shot.
 

Speedy

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Tell that to the "pizza boy" that not many wanted that turned out to be JJ Watt.

YES any team will make you rich, but you have to start somewhere in order for the world to see what you can do.

Any of the 32 teams are taking a risk on a rookie... some risks are just smaller than others... but... the risk is still there and like where they start or not.... it's their shot.
Like I said, not exclusive to the Texans. If they don't draft JJ where they did, the next team would have, he still gets his shot, and is still rich. And JJ was part of the Robert C era. Things changed once he died. Not that it was very good before, but at least it wasn't the dumpster fire it is now.

And players aren't going to say anything negative about a team while they're employed with them. And yes, I get the sour grapes angle. But it's not like these guys leaving recently aren't saying things that most of us are seeing.
 

KA4Texan

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Like I said, not exclusive to the Texans. If they don't draft JJ where they did, the next team would have, he still gets his shot, and is still rich. And JJ was part of the Robert C era. Things changed once he died. Not that it was very good before, but at least it wasn't the dumpster fire it is now.

And players aren't going to say anything negative about a team while they're employed with them. And yes, I get the sour grapes angle. But it's not like these guys leaving recently aren't saying things that most of us are seeing.
Never omce said it was Texans exclusive.... however if one doesn't appreciate what got them where they are, no matter what team logo got them there.

They come off as more an ungrateful jaded exgf with sand in her vagina than anything else IMO

Also, JJ as do other players, have no problem signing extentions to this dumpster fire... thats on them.

JJ as well as others, could have jumped shop at anytime.
 

Speedy

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Never omce said it was Texans exclusive.... however if one doesn't appreciate what got them where they are, no matter what team logo got them there.

They come off as more an ungrateful jaded exgf with sand in her vagina than anything else IMO
That's your opinion then. Not everything is black and white like that.

I've been grateful for employment, but when the owner's son took over my department, things were different, and not in a good way. You could see the direction things were going in, and to make a long story short, my position was eliminated and I was layed off. Not too many nice things did I have to say about them afterwards.
 

steelbtexan

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Like I said, not exclusive to the Texans. If they don't draft JJ where they did, the next team would have, he still gets his shot, and is still rich. And JJ was part of the Robert C era. Things changed once he died. Not that it was very good before, but at least it wasn't the dumpster fire it is now.

And players aren't going to say anything negative about a team while they're employed with them. And yes, I get the sour grapes angle. But it's not like these guys leaving recently aren't saying things that most of us are seeing.
See, some of us wanted to see everything burned to the ground because we knew that the way bob McNair ran the team would never bring a championship. Now the aren't a contender (But they weren't a contender before.) Hopefully Caserio will rebuild the team into a contender. . If this doesn't work Janice will probably pass in the next 5-6 yrs, then the McNair siblings will want to cash out. Kinda like what's going on with the Broncos ownership right now.
 

Texazan

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They signed extensions to stay here when their talents could get them placed elsewhere.

Just odd they dont cry about how bad it is til they are gone.

You support crying players, I get it.

I think both the FO and whiney players after they leave a team suck.
Yea they’re both equally to blame. They both take advantage of the situation at the time and there is zero wrong with that. We as fans are left to take sides and espouse opinions which again is fine as this is all we have. I’ve never been a top level NFL player so it’s hard for me to say “oh I would never trash an org after I left” as I’ve never been on those shoes
 

steelbtexan

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They signed extensions to stay here when their talents could get them placed elsewhere.

Just odd they dont cry about how bad it is til they are gone.

You support crying players, I get it.

I think both the FO and whiney players after they leave a team suck.
This is a big part of taking out the trash.
 

Texansballer74

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Yes of course these players were grateful for playing here. But when things went South, the writing was on the wall. We’ve all seen that crap from a mile away. We’ve been calling this organization dysfunctional. The final straw for those players were O’Brien and Easterby. Mainly O’Brien, he made the atmosphere very toxic around there.
I remember working on one rig I was on. They had this one company man, who brought out a very toxic environment every time stepped foot on location. The moral was very low. Once he was fired the production got better from all the crews on location.

I said all that because Bill O’Brien was that company man. The only difference is the Texans are still acting dysfunctional. And things are not improving.
 
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justmy2cents

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Yes of course these players were grateful for playing here. But when things went South, the writing was on the wall. We’ve all seen that crap from a mile away. We’ve been calling this organization dysfunctional. The final straw for those players were O’Brien and Easterby. Mainly O’Brien, he made the atmosphere very toxic around there.
I remember working on one rig I was on. They had this one company man, who brought out a very toxic environment every time stepped foot on location. The moral was very low. Once he was fired the production got better from all the crews on location.

I said all that because Bill O’Brien was that company man. The only difference is the Texans are still acting dysfunctional. And things are not improving.


Amen. That dysfunctionality is a learned routine - negative, (poor leadership). We're are human. Humans are animals. Animals are creatures of habit. We have got to find and bring in a positive leader. O'Brien was a negative man. Negativity breeds anxiety, confusion, and dysfunction, which can become a cancer. Easterby seems to be a dependable carrier. If we are ever to become a destination for the "the cream of the crop", we must change our leadership. Notice how many of our "man among men" have abandoned this sinking ship. Identify and remove the cancer ! Find and install "happy warriors" at the top. Start rebuilding a proud organization .... men who do not shrink from the light of day .... or - scatter and scurry away when the light switch is flipped on .... we've got to start somewhere and sometime. This is a very good place and time. It's a shame ya'll can't see me right now .... I've broken into a big, happy baritone imitation of Nelson Eddy .... marching along, belting out .... "Give me some men who are stout - hearted men" !!
 
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steelbtexan

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Amen. That dysfunctionality is a learned routine - negative, (poor leadership). We're are human. Humans are animals. Animals are creatures of habit. We have got to find and bring in a positive leader. O'Brien was a negative man. Negativity breeds anxiety, confusion, and dysfunction, which can become a cancer. Easterby seems to be a dependable carrier. If we are ever to become a destination for the "the cream of the crop", we must change our leadership. Notice how many of our "man among men" have abandoned this sinking ship. Identify and remove the cancer ! Find and install "happy warriors" at the top. Start rebuilding a proud organization .... men who do not shrink from the light of day .... or - scatter and scurry away when the light switch is flipped on .... we've got to start somewhere and sometime. This is a very good place and time. It's a shame ya'll can't see me right now .... I've broken into a big, happy baritone imitation of Nelson Eddy .... marching along, belting out .... "Give me some men who are stout - hearted men" !!
Agreed about rebuilding and finding new leaders, who dont shrink when times get tough.

Who were these leaders that were men amongst men who were lost that didn't shrink in the 51-7 game? That game is why from that time on I was on board with new leadership and a full rebuild.
 

thunderkyss

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Agreed about rebuilding and finding new leaders, who dont shrink when times get tough.

Who were these leaders that were men amongst men who were lost that didn't shrink in the 51-7 game? That game is why from that time on I was on board with new leadership and a full rebuild.
I’m not bragging, but benching your starting QB in the 1st game of the season two years in a row should have been a hint.

The guy who does that just wasted your whole off-season program. He’s telling you he doesn’t know what he’s looking at in practice & has no idea how to get what he imagines when he designs his play book to the field on game day.
 

steelbtexan

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I’m not bragging, but benching your starting QB in the 1st game of the season two years in a row should have been a hint.

The guy who does that just wasted your whole off-season program. He’s telling you he doesn’t know what he’s looking at in practice & has no idea how to get what he imagines when he designs his play book to the field on game day.
He's telling you he doesn't have an NFL caliber starting QB.

You didn't have an opinion on the meat of my post about on field leadership and the leadership or lack there of that was lost?
 

Texansballer74

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I’m not bragging, but benching your starting QB in the 1st game of the season two years in a row should have been a hint.

The guy who does that just wasted your whole off-season program. He’s telling you he doesn’t know what he’s looking at in practice & has no idea how to get what he imagines when he designs his play book to the field on game day.
Exactly, that is as pretty bush league crap right there.

Um Steel, Fitzpatrick and Hoyer were starting caliber quarterbacks in this league. Especially Fitzpatrick. Mallet had the big arm to be one, unfortunately he didn’t have it upstairs. Those guys were hand picked by O’Brien.
 

steelbtexan

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Exactly, that is as pretty bush league crap right there.

Um Steel, Fitzpatrick and Hoyer were starting caliber quarterbacks in this league. Especially Fitzpatrick. Mallet had the big arm to be one, unfortunately he didn’t have it upstairs. Those guys were hand picked by O’Brien.
He didn't bench Fitz. He just went with whoever was the starting QB after Fitz got hurt. Hoyer wasn't and never was a starting NFL QB. A backup QB at best. Mallett had starting level tools, but was a headcase with maturity issues. Like I said, they didn't have a starting level QB.

Were they handpicked by BOB, or was he making do with what he had. All of them were avg to below avg at best. At what point does the GM start to bear some responsibility for not having a good QB?
 
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Texansballer74

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He didn't bench Fitz. He just went with whoever was the starting QB after Fitz got hurt. Hoyer wasn't and never was a starting NFL QB. A backup QB at best. Mallett had starting level tools, but was a headcase with maturity issues. Like I said, they didn't have a starting level QB.

Were they handpicked by BOB, or was he making do with what he had. All of them were avg to below avg at best. At what point does the GM start to bear some responsibility for not having a good QB?
You never know when your chance for redemption might come, all you can do is be ready if and when it happens. Houston Texansquarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick is quite familiar with this concept. Fitzpatrick started the first nine games of the 2014 season for the Texans, but was benched in favor or Ryan Mallett, and that's where things stood until Mallett suffered a torn pectoral muscle in Houston's 22-13 loss to the Cincinnati Bengalslast Sunday. Fitzpatrick was benched for two reasons: his own ineffectiveness, and head coach Bill O'Brien's need to see what Mallett could do as the Texans were trying to stay in the AFC playoff hunt. Fitzpatrick had not thrown for more than 289 yards and two touchdowns in any game this season, so there wasn't much reason to expect that he'd go off against the Tennessee Titans this Sunday.
 

Double Barrel

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Amen. That dysfunctionality is a learned routine - negative, (poor leadership). We're are human. Humans are animals. Animals are creatures of habit. We have got to find and bring in a positive leader. O'Brien was a negative man. Negativity breeds anxiety, confusion, and dysfunction, which can become a cancer. Easterby seems to be a dependable carrier. If we are ever to become a destination for the "the cream of the crop", we must change our leadership. Notice how many of our "man among men" have abandoned this sinking ship. Identify and remove the cancer ! Find and install "happy warriors" at the top. Start rebuilding a proud organization .... men who do not shrink from the light of day .... or - scatter and scurry away when the light switch is flipped on .... we've got to start somewhere and sometime. This is a very good place and time. It's a shame ya'll can't see me right now .... I've broken into a big, happy baritone imitation of Nelson Eddy .... marching along, belting out .... "Give me some men who are stout - hearted men" !!
Good points, and very much reminds me of this quote:

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." ~ Vince Lombardi

Hopefully Lovie starts to turn this around. It'll take a roster to really do it, and of course winning, but building a true culture that works as a team is something that should be organic, not dictated from the front office. It's about the team chemistry and dynamics, and ultimately how the players and coaches interact and trust each other to the point of becoming greater as a whole instead of individual parts.
 

justmy2cents

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Good points, and very much reminds me of this quote:

"Winning is a habit. Unfortunately, so is losing." ~ Vince Lombardi

Hopefully Lovie starts to turn this around. It'll take a roster to really do it, and of course winning, but building a true culture that works as a team is something that should be organic, not dictated from the front office. It's about the team chemistry and dynamics, and ultimately how the players and coaches interact and trust each other to the point of becoming greater as a whole instead of individual parts.


As we begin this rebuild, we should be assembling a band of "comrades in arms." One that forges itself naturally - the "one for all and all for one" concept. It will be born and and grow naturally .... in spite of the front office !
 

thunderkyss

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Unless you get a chance to draft Manning/Elway etc...
For the most part they were paper tigers, much like the Texans division titles. It wasn’t until TD was drafted that Denver became a Super Bowl team, or when Indy fired their HC.

yeah, those guys were putting up stats (like Watson) but they weren’t winning Super Bowls without help.
 

steelbtexan

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For the most part they were paper tigers, much like the Texans division titles. It wasn’t until TD was drafted that Denver became a Super Bowl team, or when Indy fired their HC.

yeah, those guys were putting up stats (like Watson) but they weren’t winning Super Bowls without help.
4 between them and 7 SB appearances between them.
 

Dejaview

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All these great players coming out calling out the organization the past few years and yet people on this board defend their front office. So crazy to me.
Wrong. It’s just how some of us deal with situations beyond our control while always realizing that 24-7 complainers are being tooled. Our blood pressure and probably immune systems are healthier while lacking the same information to gain a true understanding of any life situation as the complainers have. It’s all a mental approach.
 

steelbtexan

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How long was Elway with t

he Broncos before he won a Super Bowl? How long did it take Indy after drafting Peyton?

That’s my point. Even drafting a HOF QB, you’ve still got 10 years of weeding out that loser mentality
Elway made SB's early in his career. Manning it took awhile because he wasn't as good as the GOAT and the GOAT had better coaching.

There wasn't a loser mentality. Teams like the Lions have a loser mentality.
 

Double Barrel

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How long was Elway with the Broncos before he won a Super Bowl? How long did it take Indy after drafting Peyton?

That’s my point. Even drafting a HOF QB, you’ve still got 10 years of weeding out that loser mentality
Yep. Manning was in the league for 8 seasons before he won a SB, and Elway was in the league for 14 seasons before winning one.

Teams matter in a team sport. One man cannot do it alone in football. Not even Tom Brady.
 

steelbtexan

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Yep. Manning was in the league for 8 seasons before he won a SB, and Elway was in the league for 14 seasons before winning one.

Teams matter in a team sport. One man cannot do it alone in football. Not even Tom Brady.
So 7 SB's in 21 yrs.

Well worth it.
 

steelbtexan

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Getting back to Texans Culture

It's best described 4 ways.

1. Cash is king
2. Loser MGMT
3. MGMT Dysfunction.
4. Sexual Harassment was a way of life in the Texans FO.

That describes the last 2 decades of the McNair run org perfectly.
 

Double Barrel

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9 between them. Elway lost three before he won two. And Manning went to four with four different head coaches and won two.
So 7 SB's in 21 yrs.

Well worth it.
9 SBs.

And yeah, even just getting to one would be worth it for me as a Houston football fan.

But I doubt the Texans will ever be that team under their current ownership, all things considered.

But I'm a Willy Wonka type of fan hoping that the golden ticket will eventually be hidden in one of our seasons. lol
 

thunderkyss

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And yeah, even just getting to one would be worth it for me as a Houston football fan.
Have we ever had one QB for 8 years?

Did Andrew Luck (last Elway/Manning type) even play for 8 years?

I’m going to accumulate draft picks & target guys like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Mahomes, & Flacco.
 

OptimisticTexan

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Have we ever had one QB for 8 years?

Did Andrew Luck (last Elway/Manning type) even play for 8 years?

I’m going to accumulate draft picks & target guys like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Mahomes, & Flacco.
Those 4 guys got to go to teams that were a QB1 away from being really special. Those 4 guys never played for a team that was 33 players away from being really special.
 

thunderkyss

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Those 4 guys got to go to teams that were a QB1 away from being really special. Those 4 guys never played for a team that was 33 players away from being really special.
We're talking about tanking vs targeting.

I'm suggesting we build a team with a Davis Mills/Kirk Cousins type & accumulate picks along the way (like New England did for the most part) then target a QB outside the top 10 picks (I know Mahomes was the 10th pick).

It may take the same 10 years, but you're weeding out that loser mentality before you get your QB & ready to win.

Like I said, we've never had a QB for even 8 years. The last "Manning/Rivers" type quit after 6 years.

Peyton & Elway were decades ago. We need to look at the Mahomes & Burrow model.
 


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