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thunderkyss

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Well, anyone who is watching football, especially the all 22 when you watch him consistently leaving plays on the field.
I understand. I hear you. But surely the Texans understood Mills was a project. Surely they did not draft a guy with 11 college starts & expect him to be ready to win.

I understand in the 2nd year we expect to see better from any QB. But these Texans FO… seem to be taking the scenic route for some reason.
 

JB

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They won't be fired,

They're having to deal with Willis at QB.

I wonder if this was a reason Robinson was fired?
Even more reason they should be fired for not having Henry on the field the last 2:30 when the game was within reach. And Robinson had nothing to do with the playcalling
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Then them refusing to run the ball calls even more for their firing
They won't be fired,

They're having to deal with Willis at QB.

I wonder if this was a reason Robinson was fired?
Even more reason they should be fired for not having Henry on the field the last 2:30 when the game was within reach. And Robinson had nothing to do with the play calling
Henry is playing injured, while Vrabel is playing games with the Injury Report. He has been quite regularly on the Injury Report as Limited and DNP for "Non Injury Related" for quite a while now. He was listed once on the Wednesday November 2 Injury Report with a "foot injury." He and the team immediately clamored to report that his foot is "fine." His foot has increasingly been giving him problems.............something that has not surprised me.

Henry missed 9 games last year when he suffered a Jones fracture in week 8. He underwent the newer type of repair. Typically, a large screw is placed through the center of the 5th metatarsal.

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This however historically has led to ~30% failure rate as the screw not uncommonly loosens. This then requires replacement of the screw with a larger bore screw along with bone grafting to facilitate healing.

In order to try to avoid the common loosening screw problem, an alternative to intramedullary screws in fixing Jones fractures is the plantar plate fixation surgical technique. The procedure involves the positioning of a contoured plate across the fracture site, locked in placed with screws.

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One of the noted advantages of the plantar plate fixation method in treating Jones fractures is that it offers stability to the broken bones, accelerating healing. In addition, the procedure provides one of the fastest ways of managing this type of fracture among athletes.

However, several studies on the advantages and disadvantages of plantar plate fixation techniques have indicated that the method presents some risks regarding nonunion and the possibility of injuries reoccurring in the same location. According to some recent studies with this plating, there have also been increasing reported cases of pain besides persistent fracture nonunion, especially in the treatment of stress fractures among athletes. Henry appears to be the recipient of such an outcome. It would not surprise me to hear that Henry undergoes additional surgery in the offseason.
 

thunderkyss

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The McNair's have always hired the HC's.
McNairs didn’t hire Culley. I truly believe Cal wanted no part of managing an NFL franchise but when he realized Caserio was less qualified than himself he was shocked more than any of us.

I think Cal, more than Bob, wants to hire a guy & get out of his way. But he realizes Caserio isn’t the guy
 

steelbtexan

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McNairs didn’t hire Culley. I truly believe Cal wanted no part of managing an NFL franchise but when he realized Caserio was less qualified than himself he was shocked more than any of us.

I think Cal, more than Bob, wants to hire a guy & get out of his way. But he realizes Caserio isn’t the guy
The McNair's have hired every HC from Capers to Lovie. But there's not a year that I'm going to get you to look at the past HC hiring process the McNair's have used.
 

thunderkyss

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The McNair's have hired every HC from Capers to Lovie. But there's not a year that I'm going to get you to look at the past HC hiring process the McNair's have used.
McNairs did not hire Culley. That was Nick. That’s why he is no longer allowed to hire a HC.
 

leebigeztx

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They won't be fired,

They're having to deal with Willis at QB.

I wonder if this was a reason Robinson was fired?
He's a former dl coach who has tied up majority of the resources into line play despite running an 80s offense. They ley Davis walk,let Johhnu walk, and traded AJ Brown for a pick . They can't score and they know it with an aging back. Also let Foreman walk for pennies. Connect the dots in the new nfl, you have to score some points at some point.
 

steelbtexan

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He's a former dl coach who has tied up majority of the resources into line play despite running an 80s offense. They ley Davis walk,let Johhnu walk, and traded AJ Brown for a pick . They can't score and they know it with an aging back. Also let Foreman walk for pennies. Connect the dots in the new nfl, you have to score some points at some point.
Despite all of this they would have made the playoffs if Tannehill was healthy.
 

leebigeztx

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The McNair's have hired every HC from Capers to Lovie. But there's not a year that I'm going to get you to look at the past HC hiring process the McNair's have used.
There is not a owner in the nfl that doesn't hire the head coach, but the gm gives the input of the coach they want running the show. Owners hire the gm to bring forth the candidates qualified to run the ship. That fake hogpog committee Cal assembled didn't even know they were part of any committee. Cal leaned on Carsterio for the interviews and such unless you believe Cal wanted 2 coaches his age to lead the franchise forward. I know I'm going down the rabbit hole with you on this and I know how youconvince yourself to believe a certain stigma about the Texans, but just be objective about if. Maybe Carsterio is spineless when it came to Esterbe. When he was let go, he praised his work in the organization, but when writers pressed him on what was Esterbe contributions, he babbled about silicon valley and such.
 

Earl34

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There is not a owner in the nfl that doesn't hire the head coach, but the gm gives the input of the coach they want running the show. Owners hire the gm to bring forth the candidates qualified to run the ship. That fake hogpog committee Cal assembled didn't even know they were part of any committee. Cal leaned on Carsterio for the interviews and such unless you believe Cal wanted 2 coaches his age to lead the franchise forward. I know I'm going down the rabbit hole with you on this and I know how youconvince yourself to believe a certain stigma about the Texans, but just be objective about if. Maybe Carsterio is spineless when it came to Esterbe. When he was let go, he praised his work in the organization, but when writers pressed him on what was Esterbe contributions, he babbled about silicon valley and such.
I really don't know why this simple statement has to be repeated and is so hard to comprehend.
 

JB

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I think Cal, more than Bob, wants to hire a guy & get out of his way. But he realizes Caserio isn’t the guy
I don't know why you would think that. It goes against the corporate boardroom mentality he has worked under his entire life
 

steelbtexan

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So what good is making the playoffs if you're not a factor?
True that's why I was probably the only guy that wanted to move on from Derrick for this very reason. Not good enough to win a championship and that was before the sexual predator stuff.
 

steelbtexan

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Tannehill has succeeded because teams try to stop Henry without worrying about Tannehill beating them. He is now 34 years old and even with his age and injury history, Robinson failed to have a good backup QB on the roster. Probably another reason why he got fired.
This is what I was trying to say in another post.
 

Earl34

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So RS wanted BOB.

LMAO
Read my post again. Especially the part where I posted, "with input from their GM, executive team and even Korn Ferry." In other words, the McNairs had multiple inputs. Even Jamie Rootes was part of their decision on BOB. Even if RS had another candidate in mind, he probably would have brought that option/candidate to the McNairs. For the record. None of us know if RS wanted BOB or if he just went along with the Korn Ferry recommendations and list of candidates. I doubt any of us, RS or even Korn Ferry could have predicted BOB turning into an angry, power-seeking egomaniac.

To be fair. At the time, according to "media" reports, BOB was a hot coaching candidate. Based on what I have observed without any insider knowledge. BOB has a great agent and media friends like Albert Breer who constantly mention him for every job opening. Even to this day, Breer still mentions him for job openings and leaks information from his camp.
 
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badboy

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McNairs didn’t hire Culley. I truly believe Cal wanted no part of managing an NFL franchise but when he realized Caserio was less qualified than himself he was shocked more than any of us.

I think Cal, more than Bob, wants to hire a guy & get out of his way. But he realizes Caserio isn’t the guy
So a new GM and coaching staff in the off season?
 

Earl34

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Or he bought into it. Culley did have high recommendations from Harbaugh and Reid and others
Maybe the Texans didn't listen to the full recommendations. It's similar to Easterby getting high recommendations from Belichick as a character coach and he never mentioned GM or personnel guy or even front office guy.

Culley got high recommendations from Harbaugh and Reid as an assistant HC or WR coach. The Texans didn't listen or hear the position they were recommending.
 
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Mr teX

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Read my post again. Especially the part where I posted, "with input from their GM, executive team and even Korn Ferry." In other words, the McNairs had multiple inputs. Even Jamie Rootes was part of their decision on BOB. Even if RS had another candidate in mind, he probably would have brought that option/candidate to the McNairs. For the record. None of us know if RS wanted BOB or if he just went along with the Korn Ferry recommendations and list of candidates. I doubt any of us, RS or even Korn Ferry could have predicted BOB turning into an angry, power-seeking egomaniac.

To be fair. At the time, according to "media" reports, BOB was a hot coaching candidate. Based on what I have observed without any insider knowledge. BOB has a great agent and media friends like Albert Breer who constantly mention him for every job opening. Even to this day, Breer still mentions him for job openings and leaks information from his camp.
NC is paid handsomely to take the blame for decisions the FO makes…so anyone taking his football-speak generic ass interviews completely at face value about the hiring process is already making a mistake. Dude comes from NE where they specialize in telling the media a whole lot of nothing when it cones to their moves. I mean they’re so generic i can’t even listen to them.

& input is just that…your opinion, but at the end of the day, the decision rests with me. So its somewhat disingenuous to say NC hires the coaches but then downplay the veto power that rests with the owner. Thats why the whole argument about NC not getting the opportunity to hire the next HC b/c of the failure of the last 2 is off base. It works as a double-edge sword for him. He’s not taking 100% blame for the decisions so Cal can’t fire him solely for those decisions….credibly anyway knowing his role in the hiring process. Point blank, he’s just not the guy making the ultimate decision to hire them & you can see that in some of the candidates being brought in. I doubt McCown is getting interviews and in serious consideration for the gig 2 years in a row if NC was wholely making the decisions on who to bring in. Cal may be giving him 100% latitude to FIRE the current HC and/or make changes to his staff as needed…but he damn sure aint got that same latitude in the interview and hiring process.
 
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Norg

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jags and titans it would be smart to rest there starters this week they are playing for nothing in wk16

thats why im afriad we are going to beat the jags and colts
 

76Texan

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The McNair's have always hired the HC's.
Of course owners would have to sign off on the hiring of a HC.
But the fact that they needed a consultant firm like Korn Ferry and assistance from other NFL figures means that they don't know enough about football.

Rick Smith probably came with endorsement from Kubiak.

And then you have all the Patriots' connections.

A GM that cannot recommend a good HC to the owner is a weak GM.
He's just a guy after the money.

What would you have done if you were the GM of the Texans?

Take the money and shut up just the same?
 

76Texan

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NC is paid handsomely to take the blame for decisions the FO makes…so anyone taking his football-speak generic ass interviews completely at face value about the hiring process is already making a mistake. Dude comes from NE where they specialize in telling the media a whole lot of nothing when it cones to their moves. I mean they’re so generic i can’t even listen to them.

& input is just that…your opinion, but at the end of the day, the decision rests with me. So its somewhat disingenuous to say NC hires the coaches but then downplay the veto power that rests with the owner. Thats why the whole argument about NC not getting the opportunity to hire the next HC b/c of the failure of the last 2 is off base. It works as a double-edge sword for him. He’s not taking 100% blame for the decisions so Cal can’t fire him solely for those decisions….credibly anyway knowing his role in the hiring process. Point blank, he’s just not the guy making the ultimate decision to hire them & you can see that in some of the candidates being brought in. I doubt McCown is getting interviews and in serious consideration for the gig 2 years in a row if NC was wholely making the decisions on who to bring in. Cal may be giving him 100% latitude to FIRE the current HC and/or make changes to his staff as needed…but he damn sure aint got that same latitude in the interview and hiring process.
McNair could have kept any of the previous guys as GM.

Wait, did they gave OBrien the authority to be both HC and GM?
 

steelbtexan

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Of course owners would have to sign off on the hiring of a HC.
But the fact that they needed a consultant firm like Korn Ferry and assistance from other NFL figures means that they don't know enough about football.

Rick Smith probably came with endorsement from Kubiak.

And then you have all the Patriots' connections.

A GM that cannot recommend a good HC to the owner is a weak GM.
He's just a guy after the money.

What would you have done if you were the GM of the Texans?

Take the money and shut up just the same?
The owners the boss, he does what he wants to do because he signs the checks. This really isn't that difficult. Cal is no different in this regard than his daddy was.
 

76Texan

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The owners the boss, he does what he wants to do because he signs the checks. This really isn't that difficult. Cal is no different in this regard than his daddy was.
Let me ask you something .

Had McNair hired you instead of Caserio what would you have done?

When you took the job, did you have a candidate for the HC job?
 

Mr teX

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McNair could have kept any of the previous guys as GM.

Wait, did they gave OBrien the authority to be both HC and GM?
what are u trying to say here? If its that Mcnair has final say over everything, then yes you are right…this is what im saying.

The fact McNair gave BoB the GM title pretty much says it all..we don’t know why Gaine was fired after such a short stint and we know Smith stepped down b/c of his wife. Bob was run out of here b/c word is he was pissing everybody off and made tge FO uncomfortable.
 

76Texan

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what are u trying to say here? If its that Mcnair has final say over everything, then yes you are right…this is what im saying.

The fact McNair gave BoB the GM title pretty much says it all..we don’t know why Gaine was fired after such a short stint and we know Smith stepped down b/c of his wife. Bob was run out of here b/c word is he was pissing everybody off and made tge FO uncomfortable.
What I tried to say is that if OB can influence the McNairs into letting him run the show, a good GM should be able to do that as well.
 

Mr teX

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What I tried to say is that if OB can influence the McNairs into letting him run the show, a good GM should be able to do that as well.
uhh no. It was a right place right time type situation for BoB. Right place b/c it was the Texans….right time b/c they (Cal) were still sort of dealing with organizational control things related to BoB McNair’s death in 2018….. and then Brian Gaine’s unexpected departure in 2019..back to back. Thru all of that, BoB and the football team was actually the most stable thing at that point believe it or not.

wouldn’t have been a horrible decision if it was on an interim basis…but then thats where Easterby came into play.
 

steelbtexan

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uhh no. It was a right place right time type situation for BoB. Right place b/c it was the Texans….right time b/c they (Cal) were still sort of dealing with organizational control things related to BoB McNair’s death in 2018….. and then Brian Gaine’s unexpected departure in 2019..back to back. Thru all of that, BoB and the football team was actually the most stable thing at that point believe it or not.

wouldn’t have been a horrible decision if it was on an interim basis…but then thats where Easterby came into play.
So simple, but so hard for some to understand.
 


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