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Texans biggest concerns this off-season

Corrosion

Corrosion

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With all the complaints / concerns being pointed twards the OLB's its obvious to me they dont deserve as much heat as they have gotten . Looking for someone to point the finger at ...... here's a couple of worthy candidates

Gary Walker had 6.5 sacks in 02 and just 0.5 since . I think this points to the fact his injury in 03 is a much larger concern than was first suspected .
Age and injury have taken their toll ..... he's a has been.


Jay Foreman ..... Laid an EGG in the sack column for the season . not to mention the fact he is relatively ineffective against the run at the line of scrimage , most of his tackles tend to be 5+ yards beyond the line . Foreman is either not suited to the Texans scheeme or just plain not good enough ...... im leaning twards the latter.

For all the Carr bashers , its pretty damn tough to throw a pass from your backside much less an accurate one . Carr spent more time on his back or running for his life than standing in the pocket . His numbers are better than i expect with the problems in the O-Line .

Seth Wand ..... He has potential to be a stud LT but also has potential to get DC blindsided @ any time . Lets hope the wand expiriment is over atleast for now
Steve McKinney ..... shouldnt be the starter , he's a backup / long snapper (If that)

Z. Wiegert played pretty well when he was playing and not injuried

Chester Pitts im not sold on one way or another , kinda tough to gage considering he plays between Mckinney and Wand ..... I dont envy his position

Todd Wade wasnt bad but wasnt what we all expected when he came here from Miami . Kinda like the team as a whole , lotta expectations left unfulfilled

M. Bruener ..... hands of stone , Without the great O-line in Pittsburg he looks like a very average blocker

Billy Miller ...... cant block . Oh , Billy's in the game . ITS A PASS!


Most of the season the Texans tried to block 4 defenders w/ 6 blockers and failed miserably ...... Cant blame that on DC

Andre Johnson is possibly the best reciever in the game outside of Randy Moss / T.O but if there is no one on the opposite side of the field to take some heat away from him he will be double covered every play .

C. Bradford has all the tools but just does not get it done

J. Gaffney Mental mistakes plague this guy , Twice this season he had a problem w/ celebrations in the ....errr Near the endzone ( fumbled once when preparing to spike the ball ..... went out of bounds in the endzone for a touchback VS Jacksonville and the other threw the ball into the stands when trying to hit the back wall VS Chiago)

The Texans have a lot of needs to fill , lets hope its an eventful off-season


Memo to CC ...... Draft a Coach who plays to win not to keep it close
 
corrosion said:
J. Gaffney Mental mistakes plague this guy , Twice this season he had a problem w/ celebrations in the ....errr Near the endzone ( fumbled once when preparing to spike the ball ..... went out of bounds in the endzone for a touchback VS Jacksonville and the other threw the ball into the stands when trying to hit the back wall VS Chiago)
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That was Bradford, not Gaffney.
 
Yeah, pretty much... O-line, run stop, pass rush, offensive sets. Use the TE use the TE use the TE! 3-4 wide receivers have to be utilized often in the game. Maybe then we'll stop stalling out for points after we put 14 on the board. We should have seen a couple of 21-35 pt games this year.
 
Actually its even worse than that. Lots of times it is 7 people blocking 4 and they can't get it done. Pretty pathetic. On the other side that leaves 7 people to cover 3 recievers. Think that might be an issue?
 
The biggest thing we need is CONSISTENCY, they played so good against some very good teams and made the other teams look bad, and than we'd play against a very sorry team and look very bad. Once we can play consistent football we will be a play off team, we all know the jags team is way better than the browns, and look what happened :hmmm:
 
edo783 said:
Actually its even worse than that. Lots of times it is 7 people blocking 4 and they can't get it done. Pretty pathetic. On the other side that leaves 7 people to cover 3 recievers. Think that might be an issue?
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Wonder if all those fair weather fans who were booing DC understand this ?
Its a wonder he hasnt missed more time than he has over the past Three seasons with the pathetic resemblance of an O-Line thats been in front of him ...... reminds me of a comercial ... DC and DD have both put up about as good of numbers as could be expected w/ this O-Line .

Same can be said of the Texans secondary with the type of pass pathetic pass rush they have in front of them . Its a wonder they werent last in the league in pass D .
 
If you remember the ESPN commercial with Carr under center and no O-line present, you have this year in a nut shell. Again the coaching bothers me, but even more is how are they going to solve the problem without using FA. They seem not inclined to use that avenue. Yet, McNair says the problem will be solved. What magic wand is he proposing to use?
 
a quailty free agent guard isn't considered a big ticket free agent. or an early draft pick, but i think we might see alot of the same on the O-line
 
Ibar_Harry said:
If you remember the ESPN commercial with Carr under center and no O-line present, you have this year in a nut shell. Again the coaching bothers me, but even more is how are they going to solve the problem without using FA. They seem not inclined to use that avenue. Yet, McNair says the problem will be solved. What magic wand is he proposing to use?
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Charley WAS quoted that he didn't see us doing much in FA except for a couple of cheap guys. I suspect when they really anylize what has happend and with Seth's injury, Bob McNair will get what he wants and we will be more of a player in FA than they (Charley / Dom ) initialy anticipated. It's the only way we can reasonably expect to fix things by next year. We then need to draft the core guys in the lines that will wind up being the starters in a couple of years.
 
After scanning the available FA O-line guys available there are some quality guards available (Andruzzi and Wahle come to mind). I think we could go after 1 or 2 FAs, look to the draft for OT and C positions, maybe make a deal for Kyle Turley (I'm a supporter of this...he is a hothead but he could provide the mean streak we seriously need in the line)...or any combination of the above moves.

The FA market for top flight front 7 guys is pretty thin. I have seen several thoughts on taking a shot at Abraham from the Jets and converting him to OLB but that's probably a long shot at best. I actually think we should target Shawn Cody or maybe Rod Wright in the draft to bulk up the D-line. We obviously need an quality ILB...there are some decent guys available (ie Hartwell from the Ravens) so that is a clear FA option or work the draft for Derrick Johnson.
 
He basically said the same thing last year too, he's doing his best "I'm not saying anything because I want to fool people" imitation.
 
SESupergenius said:
He basically said the same thing last year too, he's doing his best "I'm not saying anything because I want to fool people" imitation.
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Yep, people better get used to hearing this because it's going to be the official party line as long as Charlie is in charge. If the Texans had 50 million to spend on free agents he'd say the exact same thing.

Which is IMO not necessarily a bad thing. It just makes it a little harder to tell what the Texans are going to do.
 
J-Man said:
maybe make a deal for Kyle Turley (I'm a supporter of this...he is a hothead but he could provide the mean streak we seriously need in the line).
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This is on the way, way not likely to happen list. Turley may or not play again--do we really need Boselli part deux? More importantly, we ain't getting rid of Wade after one year and tying up that much money in the right tackle position. Before someone says, oh let's put him at left tackle--Turley gave up two more sacks than Wand last time he played LT.
 
Memo to CC ...... Draft a Coach who plays to win not to keep it close
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hmm how about Jeff Fisher? if he where available.. wait ..that is his philosophy.. and before you talk about the Titans record this year.. they had a TON of injuries on that team..

this talk of playing it close and stuff reminded me of when Fisher first came in to be a head coach and he has done pretty darn good over the years once he got HIS players on the roster.
 
The way I see it is, we got our QB,RB,WR, CB,and LB of the future. Now we need to address both sides of the line of scrimmage. However, first if we are going to have any future, David Carr needs to be protected. We need an offensivelineman.
 
Nose Tackle is the biggest concern I have. Payne is down, and his backups arent talented enough IMO. But is there a NT worth selecting with #13? I dont think so.

OL? Now here is something interesting. Alex Barron would be an instant upgrade over Wand. But what do you do with Wand then? Make him a backup? Maybe so.

CB We have a good vet, and the best rookie from 2004. Also Faggins is getting up to speed. Is there a CB worth #13? Yes, Rolle. But my gut says he wont last till #10.

I think FA would be the best way to get a NT. And I think #1 draft pick would be the best way to upgrade the line.
 
Getting more speed and youth on the d line is a must, spears, wright or cody could fix that problem. Another pass rusher along with peek to push wong and babins. A couple of games on the bench should light a fire under on of them. The o line also has to get an attitude, when you compair them to other o line the other lines have a vocal leader who fires up his team mates, like Willie Anderson (bengals), Kyle Turly (rams) and Ron Stone (raiders) just to name a few.
 
There are only about 3 guys so far in FA that would fit in our 3-4. Williams of Buffalo is the best choice but he will come with a hefty price tag. Hovan is another but he has baggage and is slightly undersized for the NT. We need a NT that is at least 315 pounds.
 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the mistakes that Wand made were from inexperience at the position, and you could possibly include Pitts in that category, since he had not played LG before. Now tell me what was the excuse of Mr (invisible) McKinney. Mr. (always injured) Weigert, and Mr (experienced) Wade? Heck, why not include Mr. TE, Breuner?
 
People have been talking about Walter Jones........you know how much that would cost to bring him in here? O-Line is a must. I think Wand and Pitts have a lot of talent, especially Wand, he just has no experirence, he came from a Div. III school. Pitt is improving and I think Wade is solid. Not great, but solid. He is not our biggest concern. Weirght who never impressed me from the start, is a must upgrade.

I also think we need another big outside threat. Andre Johnson is great, but really, who is our #2 receiver? Bradford is a speedster, not a catcher, and I like Gaffney as a slot-3rd down receiver. Go get Edwards in the draft, of maybe even Mike Williams. Can you imagine what Johnson and Williams would look like? It would scare the money out of the Def Coodinators and it would give Carr another big option, maybe even taking pressure off our OLine.

On defense, ILB is our biggest concern. We need a run stopper that is going to read and bust through the line and get the RB before he gets started. Foreman doesn't give us that. Go get a guy that is going to make plays at that postion and can run from 1 end of the feild to the other.

D-Line is a major concern as well. Smith has been the best guy on this line. Walker is getting to slow with age, and I don't think Payne is at full strenght. Go get a guy that is going to make plays to get the QB out of the pocket and bust up running plays. We will have to go get I think a small DT just like Smith was.

I saw Carlos Rogers play the other night and I am sold on that guy. He would be a perfect fit in replacing Aaron Glenn. He is big at 6' somethin, great closing speed, and great hands.

Also, how about that Nugget kid from Ohio State, the kicker? Brown is not that great of a kicker. He would probably be gone in the second so he will be at a high price, but this could be the next great kicker in the NFL. Just look at what Nate Keading did in SD.
 
:loser Plugging a player or two here and there in the OL and DL is NOT going to help the situation. What's needed is getting these guys to work together as a unit and blend with each other. For example, there are some teams in the league such as Denver who ALWAYS have a good running game, no matter who the back is. That's because they have a good system set up by good coaching that works year in and year out. It doesn't matter who they plug in -- the system works. That's what the Texans need on both sides of the ball in regards to line play. Unfortunately, that sometimes takes years to achieve -- if ever. And in the process, it takes time to find out if there really is a weak link in the chain or if it's just a matter of them working into the system. When you are talking about improving line play, that is a much bigger task than just finding one guy like a QB or RB. eek:
 
trijcomm said:
:loser Plugging a player or two here and there in the OL and DL is NOT going to help the situation. What's needed is getting these guys to work together as a unit and blend with each other. For example, there are some teams in the league such as Denver who ALWAYS have a good running game, no matter who the back is. That's because they have a good system set up by good coaching that works year in and year out. It doesn't matter who they plug in -- the system works. That's what the Texans need on both sides of the ball in regards to line play. Unfortunately, that sometimes takes years to achieve -- if ever. And in the process, it takes time to find out if there really is a weak link in the chain or if it's just a matter of them working into the system. When you are talking about improving line play, that is a much bigger task than just finding one guy like a QB or RB. eek:
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Ill agree with you to an extent but we ALL KNOW that there is a lack of TALENT on the Texans O-Line . Weak Link .... Steve McKinney . Pitts / Wand are young players Wade / Weigert dont have that excuse , it may be the fact they changed the system that caused the problems in the running game but i dont believe pass protection changes from the man to man blocking scheme to the zone scheme . simple fact is they were the worst in the league at pass protection . There needs to be an upgrade of talent on the O-Line .

On the D-Line i think age / injury have depleted the skills of a couple of the Texans starters , Gary Walker may have been a Pro Bowl player at one point but the past two seasons he has done little to nothing . Injury / Age have caught up to him . Seth Payne was injuried and sat out 90% of last season and is hurt again now , he rebounded well from his last injury but can we expect him to do it again ? . Smith played well the second half of the season . Sears and Deloach are quality BACK-UP's Not Starting calibur players .

It ll starts up front , if you cant block on offense and cant stop the run / put heat on the QB on Defense you cant win , simple as that . Do the Texans need more talent up front ....... YES
 
These are both two areas of concern that I would like to see addressed in a big way. Who are people yall have in mind that could make a difference for this team?
 
I am not sure on taking a OL in the first round. There are a lot more things we can address with the first pick... OL can be addressed later on in the draft or through free agency. I would rather see it done through the latter, because drafting OL players takes time, especially with our zone blocking scheme. I dont know if we want to take all that time developing a young OL, especially when people want to see results by next year
 
i say we pick up some middle age FA in the off season for the O-Line, because we all know how rookies growing pains are, and we dont wanna risk carr at their expense !
 
Again, why not use FA? But the higher ups have said they're not interested. Are they saying we have all we need right now? The owner says we are going to address protection for Carr, but the say no to FA. None of this makes sense to me, but that's me......................
 
offensively.
1)at least 1 lineman that can actually hold its own. I doubt drafting one is the ticket, we'd have the same problems ..experience .. IMO.. I hope we find a legit center in the FA market
2) hollings to pan out or get a breakaway back
3)Joppru to get healthy or draft another TE
4) need to find a #2 WR

defensively
1) a NT that can hog 2 linemen and maybe open the door for the others so they can atleast get smelling distance to the QB
2) I'd personally like to see us draft another CB to groom for glenn. I don't think we will be drafting higher than 13 next season.

special teams.
I returner . JJ is solid but I would like to seesomeonethat can burn

honorable mention.
I'd like tosee a LB drafted to push foreman.
 
Tailgate said:
Improving the Trenches!!!!! More pass protection AND more pass rush... pretty simple to me.
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I absolutely agree. Would they protect better if they were protecting Shania Twain instead of David Carr?
 
TexansFan#80 said:
This about sums it up.

Second to this would be getting a WR to complement AJ
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We have him, and his name is Gaffney.
 
corrosion said:
Ill agree with you to an extent but we ALL KNOW that there is a lack of TALENT on the Texans O-Line . Weak Link .... Steve McKinney . Pitts / Wand are young players Wade / Weigert dont have that excuse , it may be the fact they changed the system that caused the problems in the running game but i dont believe pass protection changes from the man to man blocking scheme to the zone scheme . simple fact is they were the worst in the league at pass protection . There needs to be an upgrade of talent on the O-Line .

On the D-Line i think age / injury have depleted the skills of a couple of the Texans starters , Gary Walker may have been a Pro Bowl player at one point but the past two seasons he has done little to nothing . Injury / Age have caught up to him . Seth Payne was injuried and sat out 90% of last season and is hurt again now , he rebounded well from his last injury but can we expect him to do it again ? . Smith played well the second half of the season . Sears and Deloach are quality BACK-UP's Not Starting calibur players .

It ll starts up front , if you cant block on offense and cant stop the run / put heat on the QB on Defense you cant win , simple as that . Do the Texans need more talent up front ....... YES
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I agree with you, the OL and DL were bad. But the problem may not be poor talent as much as it is the system and the time it takes for them to gel. If you start jerking around with the line too much, then it may actually take longer for you to finally see success -- no matter who you plug in there. And yes, the DL needs help. They were so much better in their first year than they are now. That has to be a concern. The bigger concern is that you don't just find those impact players at your front door.
 
How many teams in the NFL use the zone blocking scheme for their O line? I know that the Broncos do. Is there any other teams? and what players in FA are there that have experience in it, so we wont have to repeat the process of having people learn a new blocking system.

I think the only people worth keeping that are on the OL are Pitts and Wade, the only reason im still supporting Pitts is that he has little football experience, was put into a new position, learning a new scheme, so i still thikn he has a chance to be a avg OL
 
THEFUTURE said:
I think the only people worth keeping that are on the OL are Pitts and Wade, the only reason im still supporting Pitts is that he has little football experience, was put into a new position, learning a new scheme, so i still thikn he has a chance to be a avg OL
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:thud: If that's the case, and we replace everybody but those two guys, then be ready to wait another two or three years for things to gel. You don't just go out, pick up a couple of guys and throw them into the line and expect that to fix up the problem. I don't care WHO you put in there, it will take them time to come together as a unit. I'm not necessarily saying that we don't need some new people in there, but to think that just throwing some new folks in there and, voila! All fixed! Well, that's wishful thinking.
 
Im not saying we just get rid of the others right away and start from scratch, instead bring in maybe one or two guys from free agency, let them work their way in and gel...dont just throw them into being an automatic starter, thats stupid. But everyone knows we need to bring others in, and if we bring in other guys that already know the zone blocking, then thats half the battle. All thats left is them working as a unit, which does take time. But do you honestly think that weigert or mckinney is gonna have a chance of staying a starter the whole year if we bring in others that are more capable of doing the job....my point was simply that over the next few years those might be the only guys that i still see being of any value to our line, and the process starts now of finding other Oline men, to replace the ones that are hindering the progress of our team
 
THEFUTURE said:
Im not saying we just get rid of the others right away and start from scratch, instead bring in maybe one or two guys from free agency, let them work their way in and gel...dont just throw them into being an automatic starter, thats stupid. But everyone knows we need to bring others in, and if we bring in other guys that already know the zone blocking, then thats half the battle. All thats left is them working as a unit, which does take time. But do you honestly think that weigert or mckinney is gonna have a chance of staying a starter the whole year if we bring in others that are more capable of doing the job....my point was simply that over the next few years those might be the only guys that i still see being of any value to our line, and the process starts now of finding other Oline men, to replace the ones that are hindering the progress of our team
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You see, this is exactly the problem. You want to keep a couple of guys, other folks want to keep the other guys. There is no real way to pin the problem on this guy or these guys. That's why I say that it's a problem with the entire unit playing together. There may be a hole or two there, but I for one think Weigert wasn't so bad. A lot of folks seem to be heaping stuff on McKinney, but I would bet that no matter who you replaced you'd have the same problem next year. I maintain this is more a coaching problem than personnel. I'd give them another year to come together while bringing in some new guys to show them the team means biz. But if the result is the same after next season, then they'd better get a new offensive line coach in here who can motivate the players. Six sacks allowed vs. a team that had just 26 the entire season is unacceptable, but you can't blame those sacks on individuals. The entire unit has to be blamed and when that's the case, it's the line coach that must take the flack.
 
as much as I like McKinney, I feel he is an undersized Center.. and I can see why David doesn't step up in the pocket...he can't step up..and to me, if the center can't hold his own, the whole line is messed up because we have to shift a guard to help him, a tackle to take the guards original person and then a TE to take the tackles original person.. domino effect..
 
trijcomm said:
but you can't blame those sacks on individuals.
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yes you can, when a line does its job, and one individual doesnt, then the rest of the line has to compensate for the unreliable parts...an offensive line, even in zone blocking, needs to gel together to be able to know how to pick up blitzes etc, however when the ball is hiked, and u pick up a man you need to block, and you dont, that falls under an individual performance...not the OL...and that poor individual performance is not always about poor coaching, sure there are some things a coach can teach, however, at the end of the day, athleticism and talent are what matter..you can have the greatest coaches in the world coaching them, but that can only get them so far, until athletisism needs to kick in
 
THEFUTURE said:
yes you can, when a line does its job, and one individual doesnt, then the rest of the line has to compensate for the unreliable parts...an offensive line, even in zone blocking, needs to gel together to be able to know how to pick up blitzes etc, however when the ball is hiked, and u pick up a man you need to block, and you dont, that falls under an individual performance...not the OL...and that poor individual performance is not always about poor coaching, sure there are some things a coach can teach, however, at the end of the day, athleticism and talent are what matter..you can have the greatest coaches in the world coaching them, but that can only get them so far, until athletisism needs to kick in
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It is impossible for any fan to know what individual isn't "doing his job" because only the coach knows what the assignments are. Thus, a fan cannot assess blame and evaluate linemen since they don't know when a OL did or did not successfully perform a task. Pass protection and run blocking are a true team/unit effort. The whole unit has to mesh and gel for the thing to work. When you are talking offensive line play, coaching is not simply a matter of teaching. It's a matter of getting the line to work together. Knowing the intricacies of line play, I would attribute it more to playing as a unit than individual poor performances. And that is the coach's responsibility. Coaching line play is the toughest and most misunderstood as well as most underrated jobs in all of football because you've got to get almost half a dozen people to work together and fulfill team assignments and goals rather than individual ones. Contrast this to the QB and RB coaches who basically only have one guy they have to worry about. After all, when Dan Marino was passing out those gloves, he gave them to the whole offensive line -- not just specific individuals. That's because he knew that the entire line had to work as a cohesive unit or he was toast.
 
trijcomm said:
It is impossible for any fan to know what individual isn't "doing his job" because only the coach knows what the assignments are. Thus, a fan cannot assess blame and evaluate linemen since they don't know when a OL did or did not successfully perform a task.
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That's just silly. When Dwight Freeney speed rushes around Wand who has no TE support, it is pretty clear that the guy assigned to Freeney is not Wade or anyone else on the OL not named Wand. Barring an assumption that the Texans' players are commonly coming off the line and hitting the wrong folks just watch who they hit and you can see who they are assigned to stop and then judge whether they successfully stop them. The fact that there is some uncertainty in the system doesn't mean you just throw your hands up in the air and go awe shucks the OL sucks.
 
The Texans have spent a second on Pitts(could of had Portis) a third on Weary and Wand.They signed Mcinney,Wiegert,and Wade who were solid players. Hmmm could another team make a solid unit out of these guys ?Now they will not allow Pendry to leave.So they like the OL coach , :hmmm: what gives?
 
infantrycak said:
That's just silly. When Dwight Freeney speed rushes around Wand who has no TE support, it is pretty clear that the guy assigned to Freeney is not Wade or anyone else on the OL not named Wand. Barring an assumption that the Texans' players are commonly coming off the line and hitting the wrong folks just watch who they hit and you can see who they are assigned to stop and then judge whether they successfully stop them. The fact that there is some uncertainty in the system doesn't mean you just throw your hands up in the air and go awe shucks the OL sucks.
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No, it's not silly. Schemes change every play. And where was the RB when Feeney got through? Why wasn't he picked up? There is uncertainty in this because you don't really know who's assigned to who from play to play. You seem to love to place the blame at somebody's doorstep, but line play is truly a team game that has everything to do with cohesion and is impossible to judge on an individual basis.
 
trijcomm said:
Schemes change every play. And where was the RB when Feeney got through?
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Still silly. Your assertion was fans can't judge lineplay because things change too much from play to play. While it is true things change, fans can look at individual plays and determine who got beat other than completely boneheaded plays where the RB is told to block and chooses not to--like that happens much.

trijcomm said:
You seem to love to place the blame at somebody's doorstep, but line play is truly a team game that has everything to do with cohesion and is impossible to judge on an individual basis.
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Ummm, no it is called evaluating what is wrong and how to improve upon it. It is the job of Casserly, Capers and their staffs. I guarantee when Casserly asks Capers what they need to do in the off-season to improve the OL and whether someone needs to be upgraded Capers doesn't turn around and say it, "is impossible to judge on an individual basis."

Fans on MB's talk about the same things. Yes stats don't paint a complete picture, yes the game is complex, but it isn't so Zen-like and indivisable that evaluations can't be made.
 
infantrycak said:
Ummm, no it is called evaluating what is wrong and how to improve upon it. It is the job of Casserly, Capers and their staffs. I guarantee when Casserly asks Capers what they need to do in the off-season to improve the OL and whether someone needs to be upgraded Capers doesn't turn around and say it, "is impossible to judge on an individual basis."

Fans on MB's talk about the same things. Yes stats don't paint a complete picture, yes the game is complex, but it isn't so Zen-like and indivisable that evaluations can't be made.
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Remember what McNair said? No big changes will be made on the OL but Carr will be protected. If no major upgrades in the line are being made, yet the OL obviously had problems this year, do you think it's possible that they aren't seeing it on an individual basis? There are NO stats that paint ANY kind of picture regarding offensive linemen on an individual basis. The only thing you can really do is look at it as a whole and say, "Gee, they allowed six sacks to a team that had 26 the entire year. The pass protection stinks." That would be true. But you can't begin to assess blame for those sacks on an individual basis because, like I've said, only the coaches know for sure who blew a blocking assignment and what broke down to cause those failures. It's not zen -- it's just common sense.
 
trijcomm said:
It's not zen -- it's just common sense.
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Yeah, it is common sense--when I see a DT plow through McKinney and sack Carr on step 2 of a 3 step drop I know it wasn't Wand or Wade's fault.
 
infantrycak said:
Yeah, it is common sense--when I see a DT plow through McKinney and sack Carr on step 2 of a 3 step drop I know it wasn't Wand or Wade's fault.
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The entire Browns DL had Carr on the run the entire afternoon. To point your finger and say, "McKinney is to blame!" is very simplistic.
 
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