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Texans and Broncos discussed Peyton Manning trade?

Bulls on Parade said:
...When Peyton Manning had interest in signing with the Texans... back when Kubiak was here and Schaub was coming off the foot injury, we should have pounced on him back then even though Manning was an unknown at the time with his neck surgery and rehab. Big rewards often come with big risks...
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Gary nixed that deal, stayed loyal to Schaub.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Teams find a way to make it work all the time by restructuring contracts and releasing guys. When Peyton Manning had interest in signing with the Texans as a free agent many years ago, back when Kubiak was here and Schaub was coming off the foot injury, we should have pounced on him back then even though Manning was an unknown at the time with his neck surgery and rehab. Big rewards often come with big risks.

The Texans always seem to be a day late and a dollar short. That's just the stigma and bad luck this organization has seemingly had since their expansion draft back in 2002. Especially when it comes to landing an elite quarterback. I never considered Matt Schaub as elite even when he led the league in passing yardage that one year (over 4,700 in 2009 I believe). We likely should have won at least one Super Bowl by now. We have the best player in the game in J.J. Watt but can't advance past the divisional round two straight years and no playoffs the past two seasons. Four seasons with Watt dominating and it seems like the team success isn't where it should be. In large part because of our big question marks at the quarterback position.
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And where would we be right now? Looking for our next QB of course.
 
Marshall said:
And where would we be right now? Looking for our next QB of course.
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You can milk an elite quarterback like Peyton Manning until the very end. That's exactly what the Broncos are doing and with their stud left tackle, Ryan Clady, out for the season for the second time in three years. He still led them to the Super Bowl with a poor offensive line, and poor mobility to say the least, missing their anchor on the offensive line a few years ago but they were destroyed by the Seahawks great pass rush. It was to be expected though.

It's possible he'd still be our quarterback going into 2015 if we had signed him as a free agent back in 2012. Gary Kubiak likely wouldn't have gotten fired. I doubt we'd have gone 2-14 two seasons ago with Peyton Manning at quarterback. We could have still drafted Tom Savage and been grooming him for 2016 or 2017, or it probably would have been a Kubiak type of guy (his young quarterback) in that draft class.

Let's just hope this Ryan Mallett and Brian Hoyer "QB Battle" pays off for us in 2015. Both of them got hurt last season. Brian Hoyer has a bigger body of work and has shown a little more in his career. That's not saying much. One of them better step up for us this year.
 
Benjamin Allbright ‏@AllbrightNFL

No fight, have sources in Houston and Denver on this. If inaccurate I welcome the correct details.

Should always question information, even from me, I welcome it. I go about my job honestly.
Benjamin Allbright retweeted Patrick Smyth
Per #Broncos....

Patrick Smyth @psmyth12
Here's one for the record - The speculation is false, and your report is inaccurate. https://twitter.com/allbrightnfl/status/613496435921698816 …​
Have two unrelated official sources on this, would be a hilariously oddly coordinated lie, if what they were telling me was untrue.

2/2 Certain elements of Broncos organization wanted Osweiler era to begin this season.

#Broncos attempted to trade Peyton Manning this off-season to the Houston #Texans per more than one source in position to know. (1/2)

I do not have a comment from the team yet on this, but I'll go ahead and drop it anyway....

Holy scoopage, Batman...

(Gimme a few mins to put story in order, get comment from team)

#Broncos​
then this response...

John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL

Sorry this took so long, but I wanted to talk with 3 Texans sources I trust about Manning report. All tell me it's not true.​

Okay, Elway, Broncos PR stringent denials... McClain/Ganguli denials through Texans who first had "no comment",

Guarantees Texans were approached. Non-starter.
 
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Of course Denver tried to trade him! He doesn't fit Kubiak's system, and he is physically deteriorating rapidly... Not to mention, he costs a great deal against the cap.

I will take my chances with the Texans' cast of misfit QB toys over Peyton Manning and his $20 million price tag in 2015.
 
dalemurphy said:
Of course Denver tried to trade him! He doesn't fit Kubiak's system, and he is physically deteriorating rapidly... Not to mention, he costs a great deal against the cap.

I will take my chances with the Texans' cast of misfit QB toys over Peyton Manning and his $20 million price tag in 2015.
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$17.5 mil and $20 mil in dead money if traded so doesn't come close to making sense.

And Manning clearly disagrees with your assessment of his fit with Kubiak given that upon Kubiak's arrival he took a pay cut and got a no trade clause. This after being previously reported to specifically want to come to the Kubiak Texans.
 
2 little 2 late we should of nabbed him in 2012 when he was a f/a would of prob never had that dreadful 2-14 season in 13 anyways tho I hope he does not do it again like race towards that no1 seed in the afc again
 
This rumor is stale by nearly 3 years. Manning wanted to play for Kubiak. That is the one and only link to the Texans. Elway, Kubiak and Manning are exactly where they want to be. Unless things get weird in January, expect Manning back for the 2016 season, as probably his last.

Nobody wants Osweiler to start a game this year, or any other year. To suggest putting him in front of Manning is just dumb.
 
infantrycak said:
$17.5 mil and $20 mil in dead money if traded so doesn't come close to making sense.

And Manning clearly disagrees with your assessment of his fit with Kubiak given that upon Kubiak's arrival he took a pay cut and got a no trade clause. This after being previously reported to specifically want to come to the Kubiak Texans.
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Common sense would dictate that any Peyton Manning trade would require his cooperation, which would include creative contract restructuring to make it doable.

Hasn't it been reported that the Broncos will continue to run a similar offense to last season... With Peyton continuing to make sight adjustments at the LOS? Not really the Kubiak offense, and I doubt it is a comfortable situation for Kubiak, which is why these rumors make sense. Similarly, it also makes sense that Kubiak wasn't interested in Peyton 4 years ago despite the rumored interest that Peyton had.
 
dalemurphy said:
Common sense would dictate that any Peyton Manning trade would require his cooperation, which would include creative contract restructuring to make it doable.

Hasn't it been reported that the Broncos will continue to run a similar offense to last season... With Peyton continuing to make sight adjustments at the LOS? Not really the Kubiak offense, and I doubt it is a comfortable situation for Kubiak, which is why these rumors make sense. Similarly, it also makes sense that Kubiak wasn't interested in Peyton 4 years ago despite the rumored interest that Peyton had.
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Reports are that Peyton is spending 75% of his snaps under center, which is opposite of his norm. Kubiak - "I know what he can do from the shotgun, I know the adjustments he can make. I want him to add this dimension to his game". I ask the question ... why the Texans? After being released by the Colts, Peyton hinted at wanting to work with Kubiak. Who and what do we have on this roster that says 'Peyton wants to play here!'? The only connection that Manning had to the Texans was Kubiak ... these stories are aftershocks.
 
infantrycak said:
$17.5 mil and $20 mil in dead money if traded so doesn't come close to making sense.

And Manning clearly disagrees with your assessment of his fit with Kubiak given that upon Kubiak's arrival he took a pay cut and got a no trade clause. This after being previously reported to specifically want to come to the Kubiak Texans.
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If traded, Denver would take on $5m in dead money....not $20m.
 
dalemurphy said:
Common sense would dictate that any Peyton Manning trade would require his cooperation, which would include creative contract restructuring to make it doable.

Hasn't it been reported that the Broncos will continue to run a similar offense to last season... With Peyton continuing to make sight adjustments at the LOS? Not really the Kubiak offense, and I doubt it is a comfortable situation for Kubiak, which is why these rumors make sense. Similarly, it also makes sense that Kubiak wasn't interested in Peyton 4 years ago despite the rumored interest that Peyton had.
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Common sense guesswork is great in the absence of hard facts. When the rumor was out there 4 years ago I didn't think it was a good match either. But it really doesn't matter if it is the stupidest theoretical pairing in NFL history. Manning (commonly regarded as one of the smartest QBs ever) has clearly made his desire to play for Kubiak known by (a) being interested 4 years ago, (b) not retiring when Kubiak was hired, (c) taking a pay cut and (d) specifically getting a clause added such that he couldn't be sent away from Kubiak against his will.

Plus any apparent system conflict is countered by the obvious plot line underlying this whole set up - John Elway, one of the greatest of all time who couldn't get a ring freelancing on his own but learned to settle down and rely on Kubiak's system to get him 2 to end his career. Elway, Manning and Kubiak have all talked about it.

And no they have not said they will continue running the same offense. They're going to run a Kubiak system customized to Manning's strengths - something Kubiak has done before with a significantly lesser talented slow-footed, not the biggest arm, but with a fantastic play fake QB.

Troy Chapman said:
If traded, Denver would take on $5m in dead money....not $20m.
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If he is willing to play for the new team. If he pulled a Plummer they're on the hook. Anyway, even if it was 0 dead money I think it's obvious that the only person in the building whose opinion counts, Elway, wants Manning there.
 
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Source Confirms Texans Trade Talks With Broncos For Peyton Manning

Houston (CBS HOUSTON) – The Houston Texans were in the running for Peyton Manning when he was leaving the Indianapolis Colts before the 2012 season. Manning chose to go to the Denver Broncos where he has led them to a Super Bowl appearance and an AFC Championship game. The Coach of the Texans in 2012 was Gary Kubiak, who is now the head coach of the Broncos.

Reports Tuesday night from Denver cited sources that said Peyton Manning was almost sent to Houston this offseason in a trade with the Denver Broncos. The Denver Broncos denied the report.

SportsRadio 610 has learned that the Broncos and Texans, did in fact, have “very preliminary” talks about the Houston Texans acquiring the future Hall of Fame quarterback this offseason, according to a source.

The talks between the two teams occurred before Peyton Manning signed his restructured deal with the Broncos and before the Texans signed free-agent quarterback Brian Hoyer. If the Texans were to acquire Manning they would have had to restructure Manning’s deal and SportsRadio 610’s source says the money in Houston would not have been as high as the $15 million Manning got from the Broncos. That $15 MIL was a $4 million paycut for the quarterback.​
 
This just needs to go away. From what I'm told on the side, Houston made the initial contact. Was a quick conversation, not sure what level the conversation occurred.
 
Troy Chapman said:
This just needs to go away. From what I'm told on the side, Houston made the initial contact. Was a quick conversation, not sure what level the conversation occurred.
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So the claimed sources completely conflict. Why trust any of them?

If the Texans approached the Broncos, why wouldn't Elway have just said 'they called, we had no interest, 2 second conversation'?

What level? - this **** is GM & HC level the whole way.
 
OMG I'm so dumb for believing reports in a fly by night website!! HA!

Gotta look at the context and history, stupid moves like these are what this franchise is known for. SMH. Bust out your torches and pitchforks, ill be up in the tower. LOL!
 
infantrycak said:
So the claimed sources completely conflict. Why trust any of them?

If the Texans approached the Broncos, why wouldn't Elway have just said 'they called, we had no interest, 2 second conversation'?

What level? - this **** is GM & HC level the whole way.
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It very well may be GM & HC, that's a decent assumption. I'm taking it as Houston just doing research on any possible options.

It is what it is, it doesn't matter anymore. Peyton got his no-trade clause as part of his restructure in March.
 
According to SportsRadio 610 in Houston, there were, in fact “very preliminary” talks between the Broncos and Texans about a possible trade.

The report says the Texans weren’t interested at the $15 million level the Broncos eventually kept him for, which was a $4 million pay cut.
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This story is making less and less sense. Very preliminary is way before specific salary stage and involves all three parties, not just the two teams.

And what, the Texans were delusional enough to think Manning views himself as 3 day old bread?

This whole thing strikes me as underlings mistaking a joking conversation between Kubiak and Smith.

Smith: Well Gary, you passed on working with Manning 4 years ago, what do you think now?

Kubiak: He's definitely got his opinions but we'll work it out unless you want to try your sales pitch with OB?

Smith: Nah, he's as opinionated about his system as you are about yours. And we can't afford him.

Troy Chapman said:
I haven't see any sources or media come out and say Denver was seeking the trade.
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In this thread there is a Denver media guy claiming 2 sources saying Denver initiated the conversation and more specifically it being because some on the team want to see the Osweiler era start.
 
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*** BREAKING NEWS ***
This just reported by a random blogger ...

Random Blogger said:
I've just gained word of a hypothetical transcription of a conversation about an NFL trade previously reported as possibly happening. The hypothetical conversation was from a 'Texans Talk message board' and appears to be brought forth by an anonymous infantry person. The hypothetical transcription reads in full:

Smith: Well Gary, you passed on working with Manning 4 years ago, what do you think now?

Kubiak: He's definitely got his opinions but we'll work it out unless you want to try your sales pitch with OB?

Smith: Nah, he's as opinionated as you are about your system. And we can't afford him.

Now we can't confirm the authenticity of the hypothetical conversation at this time, but it does speak ambiguously about the supposed authenticity of the aforementioned possible trade conversation reported on earlier. Please check back in as we update whether or not we have the first clue of what we're talking about.

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Wow, sounds like we almost had the quarterback Denver didn't want anymore.
 
Funny to watch the Broncos "insider" media dismiss the reports, then forcefully deny the reports, then publish articles trashing the local "b-team" media guy who stirred this back up with two sources, then slowly backtrack in carefully worded "maybe" and "possibly" it happened but it wasn't really serious, then admit that contract talks got ugly when the team requested a $10M pay cut from Manning, then continue hammering on the Denver media guy while ignoring the NFL network guy who originally broke this.
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If there wasn't any truth to it there wouldn't be so much fuss. SOP is ignore it or "no comments" all around.

Just like Patriots media when the air came out of Brady... there's a couple of guys who were labeled anti-Patriot for not banging the Brady drum and excoriated publicly for such by other media. Don't think I've seen that kind of intra-media crime down here...? Maybe because we don't have Manning/Brady? I dunno.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Ian Rapport reporting that Denver did not initiate the call, that it was the Texans just checking out feelers...
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Nothing that Mike Klis hasn't already updated. Plausible that Texans called around asking about QBs before signing Mal and Hoyer.

Broncos certainly don't want PM to think they tried to trade him/extended an offer.

What's odd to me is the behavior regarding the leak. Broncos would just say we answered the phone, said no. And from which side is this story leaking? If Rick called Elway, who leaked it?

Really would be a non-story to me without the prior Kubiak/Peyton history.
 
Playoffs said:
Really would be a non-story to me without the prior Kubiak/Peyton history.
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Peyton isn't coming here so it's still a "non-story".
We would have been stupid to pay $15-25 mil for a one-year rental on a declining QB anyway.

Let's, for a moment of insanity, say that this was conceivable (I cannot bring myself to use the word "true"); whose offense do we run? Does Peyton spend the whole year learning Bill O'Brien's offense or does Bill O'Brien scrap all of last year's progress (with the guys here already) and teach Peyton's offense to our team to run during this one-year rental?
 
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The way they're spinning it now on the radio, is that the Texan did not go into the offseason thinking they'll sign Brian Hoyer, or Ryan Mallett, & be ok. They understand QB is an issue & they tried to upgrade the position.

Tried & failed, but like we know, QBs like these don't "normally" get traded.
 
Since this non-event has legs can we find another player that did not sign with Texans years ago to discuss?
 
thunderkyss said:
The way they're spinning it now on the radio, is that the Texan did not go into the offseason thinking they'll sign Brian Hoyer, or Ryan Mallett, & be ok. They understand QB is an issue & they tried to upgrade the position.

Tried & failed, but like we know, QBs like these don't "normally" get traded.
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This

It should be very interesting to see how Manning reacts this yr to the very rigid, no audibles Kubiak system. They should put up great numbers only to blow another lead in the playoffs.
 
steelbtexan said:
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It should be very interesting to see how Manning reacts this yr to the very rigid, no audibles Kubiak system. They should put up great numbers only to blow another lead in the playoffs.
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You know, a smart man, maybe a scientist who ran the same test with X constant and varying Y from -Y to +Y and got the same result would look at X for the common result, not one of the Y values.

Wolf said:
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_27644686/most-believe-peyton-manning-will-be-able-adapt

Well in fairness Kubiak might not be as rigid as you believe. Esp with Elway there to to co bounce ideas off of each other esp the point late in Elways career were the Broncos leanedon the running game more
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He never has been as rigid as some have portrayed, e.g. "no audibles."
 
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I don't see why it's so hard to see that Manning/Kubiak is going to work just fine. Kubiak will be allow for plenty of latitude at the line for Peyton, and in the meanwhile Peyton won't look to upstage his head coach in any perceivable way. We're talking about two very mature, very professional veterans who've combined for some 40+ years of having a lot of say in a whole lot of winning football in this league. Why anyone would think they're all of the sudden made of combustible parts is kinda strange.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I don't see why it's so hard to see that Manning/Kubiak is going to work just fine. Kubiak will be allow for plenty of latitude at the line for Peyton, and in the meanwhile Peyton won't look to upstage his head coach in any perceivable way. We're talking about two very mature, very professional veterans who've combined for some 40+ years of having a lot of say in a whole lot of winning football in this league. Why anyone would think they're all of the sudden made of combustible parts is kinda strange.
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Kubiak going to Denver took the Broncos out of contention and assured Mannings retirement after what will prove to be one of the worst seasons of his career.
 
santo said:
He almost took Schaub and Plummer to the Super Bowl. I think that's pretty impressive.
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And Young and Elway have both credited him with their best play which in my book still says something even if they would have been HoF guys anyway. He certainly didn't tank them.
 
infantrycak said:
And Young and Elway have both credited him with their best play which in my book still says something even if they would have been HoF guys anyway. He certainly didn't tank them.
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Young and Elway did improve their play, but like you said, they were already HoF quarterbacks. What he did with Plummer and Schaub makes it stand out more for me. Not to mention Flacco had his best season under him as well.
 
santo said:
Young and Elway did improve their play, but like you said, they were already HoF quarterbacks. What he did with Plummer and Schaub makes it stand out more for me.
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I know it is common to dismiss Young and Elway because they were already so good, but I was thinking about it. What's harder, teaching a novice to shoot credibly or taking a sniper and making him a National Match champion?

Not to mention Flacco had his best season under him as well.
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Yup, I left out Flacco.
 
ObsiWan said:
Is this a wish or a prediction?
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What do you wish for?

I hope Gary does well but BOB's Texans beat the Broncos in the AFC championship game. With that said Gary is a very good OC but avg HC at best due to his undying loyaly that sometimes is a detriment to what is good for the team/org. If Gary/Manning wins the SB that will make Corrosion's statements about Rick Smith's role in the Texans failure ring even more true.
 
Mollywhopper said:
The Kubiak bootleg isn't athleticism dependent, it's play fake dependent, and Peyton has one of the best ever. He won't be running for his life.
Manning will run it at least as smoothly as Schaub, if not more so.
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badboy said:
He will not have to run far with his release speed.
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Plus, with Manning's knowledge of defenses (the b@st@rd) he'll probably have a good idea which DB will bite - and therefore who'll be open - before the snap.
 
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