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There's nothing wrong with celebrating a goal being accomplished. You don't even have a chance to reach that ultimate goal of winning a ring if you don't accomplish the 1st goal of making the playoffs, regardless of what you think about the setup, division, the team, their chances, etc. Only 12 of 32 teams reach that 1st goal. It's OK to smile a little. Doesn't mean anybody is settling for anything.
 
TexansBull said:
You know y'all are probably right. Fans should be happy and celebrate the divisional banners year after year meeting the same record and results year after year because there's that "this time maybe it will be different with a little luck on our side." This time we won't get blown out by a team that sees the playoffs as merely a stepping stone and has their eye on the prize - the Super bowl and will feel defeated if they won't win it. Maybe luck will bounce our way, get lucky on a few calls by the refs, hope the other team has a bad day when we have a good day. It can happen. You never know.And still be fearful to play really good teams.

I guess when you think about it getting the same result year after year after year and being satisfied with it us a good thing. Winning record - check. Division banner - check. Win wild card playoff game - maybe check. Lose next round - check. That equals satisfaction and happiness for a football team.

Some just come from the mindset if you achieve something year end year out set your sight on a bigger goal and prize. Raise your expectations. If you get B's in school- work a little harder to get an A. Dont just be happy with that B and say to yourself at least I didn't flunk like that guy Cleveland Browns.

Y'all are right. Let's celebrate!

I will leave you with this.

Why do coaches get fired that deliver divisional banners year end year out. Ravens did it to Billick. Denver did it to Fox. Tampa bay did it to Dungy. Because teams want more. The GM does. The owner does. I am willing to bet those fans in those cities scream for more than a divisional banner year end year out. Expectations are higher and grow every year from the previous year results until you reach the top.

If you dont get that than you never will and we just need to agree to disagree.
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What part of "everybody wants more" do you not understand?
 
TexansBull said:
You are having trouble following along or I am doing a poor job communicating. Probably the later.

It's not a question of wanting more. It's a question of being happy celebrating the banner. If you are happy with that ok. That's fine. I never beat up anyone on that. If you aren't happy with that and you want more, like a win in the second round i have said that's ok too, but some have issue at that and I have just typed rebuttals to that.

The more I type these responses at first i didn't think i fell into that second group, but I have talked myself into it.

I am getting ahead of myself without seeing the results in the playoffs. Bad fan. No sarcasm. But this team looks and smells just like last year and the other year we got it in. One win and done and getting blown out. Thats not being competitive to some. That's taking advantage of a weak division I just can't high five everyone and get excited about that if it happens again.

The players will get an A for effort, and A for battling through bad qb and play calls. But end results are end results. The team (coaches and org included) didn't do better than last year if it's one and done. Perhaps I am too hard on them. I hope McNair is though.

I am a bit surprised more don't feel that way. I am not down on the players, just the end result if it's one and done with a blow out again.

I just need to listen to this over and over:

https://vid.me/K9b7
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I understand your viewpoint of wanting more... we all do. But being happy now doesn't mean that we don't want to be happier. And happier and happiest. I think that we would have preferred a season like the 18-1 Patriots or the 17 - 2 Panthers but we weren't. Btw both of those teams lost the SB
 
TexansBull said:
You are having trouble following along or I am doing a poor job communicating. Probably the later.

It's not a question of wanting more. It's a question of being happy celebrating the banner. If you are happy with that ok. That's fine. I never beat up anyone on that. If you aren't happy with that and you want more, like a win in the second round i have said that's ok too, but some have issue at that and I have just typed rebuttals to that.

The more I type these responses at first i didn't think i fell into that second group, but I have talked myself into it.

I am getting ahead of myself without seeing the results in the playoffs. Bad fan. No sarcasm. But this team looks and smells just like last year and the other year we got it in. One win and done and getting blown out. Thats not being competitive to some. That's taking advantage of a weak division I just can't high five everyone and get excited about that if it happens again.

The players will get an A for effort, and A for battling through bad qb and play calls. But end results are end results. The team (coaches and org included) didn't do better than last year if it's one and done. Perhaps I am too hard on them. I hope McNair is though.

I am a bit surprised more don't feel that way. I am not down on the players, just the end result if it's one and done with a blow out again.

I just need to listen to this over and over:

https://vid.me/K9b7
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Lol this guy here......remind me never to go war with your ass....You'd be ready to surrender before we even went to battle.
 
This will probably come out as either 1) being an a** or 2) stupid - so apologies in advance, a lot going on today so slightly distracted.

I don't get what or who you are arguing with? You just keep basically repeating the same thing "some of us want more" what does that even mean?

Granted I don't read every thread as closely as others, but I have yet to see one person on here say "Yeah! We won the division, let's pack it up for this year! My fandom needs have been fulfilled".

Like any aspect of life, goals are usually met in stages (unless it is a very simplistic goal). The team you are a fan of has met the first goal in the pursuit of their larger goal, making the playoffs. I haven't heard a player or coach say "we're done" they are still at least trying to meet the overall goal of winning the Super Bowl, which by the way is a damn difficult thing to accomplish.

We all want a dynasty with a team that everyone thinks yep they are the favorites again - news flash, that is even rarer than a team winning the SB (and a damn site harder).

You (and other like you) want more apparently - what is your plan for getting more? Boycott? No money for Bob (e.g. don't buy seats, or hats/jerseys)?

A very small percentage of fans frequent forums, everyone on this board could all stop being a fan right now, and no one would notice.

Your team is your team - you root for them good or bad, you can complain all you want as that is a right your fandom buys you, if that is your choice.

If we all stopped being fans of our favorite teams then what would happen when the Red Sox finally won? Or even more recently the Cubs? They had generations of fans that never saw them win it all, but they still had fans that cheered for them, spent money on them etc. etc.

We are fans... we can't will or cheer our team to victory. We can't change management, we can't change the owner or how the organization works. All of that is a futile effort.

For me personally I saw what happened when a town gave up on an owner, my beloved Oilers went away and became a team I can't stand. Again just me personally I'll take bad football over no football any Sunday of the year. I don't spend a dime on them (well OK I have two jerseys and two hats, your welcome Mr. McNair) But they are my team, and I cheer for them, and curse at them, and hope they figure it out or get lucky and win it all without figuring it out.

They won the division and made the playoffs. It is pretty obvious that they haven't figured anything out yet. Come on luck.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
We all want a dynasty with a team that everyone thinks yep they are the favorites again - news flash, that is even rarer than a team winning the SB (and a damn site harder).
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That's what I'm talking about. I want a Dynasty. F'ck a Super Bowl.

All you losers can be happy thinking about a Lombardy gracing the halls of NRG, But some of us want more. We have higher standards than you losers.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's what I'm talking about. I want a Dynasty. F'ck a Super Bowl.

All you losers can be happy thinking about a Lombardy gracing the halls of NRG, But some of us want more. We have higher standards than you losers.
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yeah we suck b/c Joe 49er fan in a bar said we only won 1 lombardi in the last 5 years...........so i guess we suck then right?
 
thunderkyss said:
That's what I'm talking about. I want a Dynasty. F'ck a Super Bowl.

All you losers can be happy thinking about a Lombardy gracing the halls of NRG, But some of us want more. We have higher standards than you losers.
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Finally. Someone gets it.

And I know you were being sarcastic.

But to play devils advocate, but if you won one, wouldn't you set your goal at winning a second and be disappointed if you didn't? Same thing.
 
I used to wonder how a team like the Browns could become a team like the Browns. I think our "some of us want more" guy just illustrated it for me. We've won the division two years in a row without a QB but ESPN says we suck so let's fire everybody and get a guy in here that knows how to win!!!!! We want more!!!!!!
 
TexansBull said:
Not even remotely what the subject is about. Try again.
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I know what the subject is about...you want "more"...whatever the hell that means...So basically i'm just running with what you're saying...1 lombardi in 5 years wouldn't be enough for you to feel like you could celebrate the teams accomplishment...you'd probably be that guy bashing fans and the team b/c they didn't win 2 or more in that 5 year span.......& you'd use a conversation in a bar with other football fans to try to back up your foolish stance. I can see it now " We should've won 3 in that time span, but...."

There's a fine line between being disappointed & then just being obnoxious.....you sir are being the latter.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
I don't get what or who you are arguing with? You just keep basically repeating the same thing "some of us want more" what does that even mean?

Like any aspect of life, goals are usually met in stages (unless it is a very simplistic goal). The team you are a fan of has met the first goal in the pursuit of their larger goal, making the playoffs. I haven't heard a player or coach say "we're done" they are still at least trying to meet the overall goal of winning the Super Bowl, which by the way is a damn difficult thing to accomplish.

You (and other like you) want more apparently - what is your plan for getting more? Boycott? No money for Bob (e.g. don't buy seats, or hats/jerseys)?

A very small percentage of fans frequent forums, everyone on this board could all stop being a fan right now, and no one would notice.

If we all stopped being fans of our favorite teams then what would happen when the Red Sox finally won? Or even more recently the Cubs? They had generations of fans that never saw them win it all, but they still had fans that cheered for them, spent money on them etc. etc.

They won the division and made the playoffs. It is pretty obvious that they haven't figured anything out yet. Come on luck.
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I tried to answer in order of paragraphs.

1. It's not about questioning your fandom or saying you don't want more. I keep having to repeat myself that some want more than a divisional banner and be happy with those.end results. It's a never ending circle because Joe internet keeps thinking that this is about him not wanting more. It's.the simple fact - and again I say this the divisional banner isn't the goal and doesn't bring satisfaction to some.i said there is nothing wrong with it. Apparently Joe internet says there is. That's what all of this is about.

2. Goal are specific. You either did or you didn't. No consolation prizes. Goals are different.

3. The answer is to ***** and moan on message boards and the radio and hopefully someone will hear us. We really haven't thought this through...

4. It's not about you and the measurements of a fan or to being a fan. I don't know why that keeps coming up. I have repeatedly said its ok to root in different ways.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's what I'm talking about. I want a Dynasty. F'ck a Super Bowl.

All you losers can be happy thinking about a Lombardy gracing the halls of NRG, But some of us want more. We have higher standards than you losers.
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Then you may never ever be happy.
You should have went with the Patriots.
 
JB said:
And therein lies the difference. You look ahead and see disaster, I look ahead and see possibilities
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yep. While my head uses reason and logic and would not allow me to bet on the Texans in the playoffs (if I was a betting man), I'm not going to lie: in my heart there is hope. Anything can happen. Even if it's just a 1% chance, it's still a chance, and that's what keeps bringing us back as fans year after year.

Fortunately, for all the analysis, props, criticism, etc., of Bob McNair, I do think he is a fan, as well:

Texans’ Bob McNair on winning division title again: ‘The goal is to win it all’

"Well, it [division title/playoffs] is not the goal," McNair said. "The goal is to win it all but this is the first step. If we don't accomplish this, we have no chance. Now it's a new game and we'll have a chance to go after the brass ring and that's what we want to do."

I honestly do not sense any complacency with McNair these days. I think he's an old dude that wants desperately to win a Lombardi. He's got all the money he could want and his franchise is certainly a financial success. But, the one thing he does not have is that extremely hard-to-get silver trophy.

TexansBull said:
You are having trouble following along or I am doing a poor job communicating. Probably the later.

It's not a question of wanting more. It's a question of being happy celebrating the banner. If you are happy with that ok. That's fine. I never beat up anyone on that. If you aren't happy with that and you want more, like a win in the second round i have said that's ok too, but some have issue at that and I have just typed rebuttals to that.

The more I type these responses at first i didn't think i fell into that second group, but I have talked myself into it.

I am getting ahead of myself without seeing the results in the playoffs. Bad fan. No sarcasm. But this team looks and smells just like last year and the other year we got it in. One win and done and getting blown out. Thats not being competitive to some. That's taking advantage of a weak division I just can't high five everyone and get excited about that if it happens again.

The players will get an A for effort, and A for battling through bad qb and play calls. But end results are end results. The team (coaches and org included) didn't do better than last year if it's one and done. Perhaps I am too hard on them. I hope McNair is though.

I am a bit surprised more don't feel that way. I am not down on the players, just the end result if it's one and done with a blow out again.

I just need to listen to this over and over:

https://vid.me/K9b7
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Reading your words, man, I understand where you're coming from as an old Houston pro football fan. Your words come from frustration. And I get it.

But, don't let that frustration steal your joy. Always remember that it's just entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. As Jerry Seinfeld said, "we watch and they won". We are mere spectators, and while it does feel good to be a fan of a winning team, I refuse to be defined by it. And after 35-3 almost 24 years ago (next Tuesday, to be exact), I absolutely refuse to let a game that other men play dictate my happiness in life.

So, as I mentioned, even though your head is telling you it's a long shot, let your heart revel in the hope and fun of having a team with a ticket to the dance. Ya' never know, one day our team might get the chance to dance with the pretty girl.
 
TexansBull said:
You are having trouble following along or I am doing a poor job communicating. Probably the later.

It's not a question of wanting more. It's a question of being happy celebrating the banner. If you are happy with that ok. That's fine. I never beat up anyone on that. If you aren't happy with that and you want more, like a win in the second round i have said that's ok too, but some have issue at that and I have just typed rebuttals to that.

The more I type these responses at first i didn't think i fell into that second group, but I have talked myself into it.

I am getting ahead of myself without seeing the results in the playoffs. Bad fan. No sarcasm. But this team looks and smells just like last year and the other year we got it in. One win and done and getting blown out. Thats not being competitive to some. That's taking advantage of a weak division I just can't high five everyone and get excited about that if it happens again.

The players will get an A for effort, and A for battling through bad qb and play calls. But end results are end results. The team (coaches and org included) didn't do better than last year if it's one and done. Perhaps I am too hard on them. I hope McNair is though.

I am a bit surprised more don't feel that way. I am not down on the players, just the end result if it's one and done with a blow out again.

I just need to listen to this over and over:

https://vid.me/K9b7
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Absolutely agree 100%! I was actually put off last Saturday by all the player and organization tweets on Twitter celebrating another divisional title. I would have liked to see just one player throw the damn divisional champion hat on the ground and say "**** this! I want more!"

Winning this division is like being king of **** mountain.
 
Mr teX said:
I know what the subject is about...you want "more"...whatever the hell that means...So basically i'm just running with what you're saying...1 lombardi in 5 years wouldn't be enough for you to feel like you could celebrate the teams accomplishment...you'd probably be that guy bashing fans and the team b/c they didn't win 2 or more in that 5 year span.......& you'd use a conversation in a bar with other football fans to try to back up your foolish stance. I can see it now " We should've won 3 in that time span, but...."

There's a fine line between being disappointed & then just being obnoxious.....you sir are being the latter.
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I wonder if that is how Colts fan feels.
 
Double Barrel said:
yep. While my head uses reason and logic and would not allow me to bet on the Texans in the playoffs (if I was a betting man), I'm not going to lie: in my heart there is hope. Anything can happen. Even if it's just a 1% chance, it's still a chance, and that's what keeps bringing us back as fans year after year.

Fortunately, for all the analysis, props, criticism, etc., of Bob McNair, I do think he is a fan, as well:

Texans’ Bob McNair on winning division title again: ‘The goal is to win it all’

"Well, it [division title/playoffs] is not the goal," McNair said. "The goal is to win it all but this is the first step. If we don't accomplish this, we have no chance. Now it's a new game and we'll have a chance to go after the brass ring and that's what we want to do."

I honestly do not sense any complacency with McNair these days. I think he's an old dude that wants desperately to win a Lombardi. He's got all the money he could want and his franchise is certainly a financial success. But, the one thing he does not have is that extremely hard-to-get silver trophy.



Reading your words, man, I understand where you're coming from as an old Houston pro football fan. Your words come from frustration. And I get it.

But, don't let that frustration steal your joy. Always remember that it's just entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. As Jerry Seinfeld said, "we watch and they won". We are mere spectators, and while it does feel good to be a fan of a winning team, I refuse to be defined by it. And after 35-3 almost 24 years ago (next Tuesday, to be exact), I absolutely refuse to let a game that other men play dictate my happiness in life.

So, as I mentioned, even though your head is telling you it's a long shot, let your heart revel in the hope and fun of having a team with a ticket to the dance. Ya' never know, one day our team might get the chance to dance with the pretty girl.
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Thanks. Best enlightening response. I found this appropriate though as a joke:

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TexansBull said:
Thanks. Best enlightening response. I found this appropriate though as a joke:

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I hear ya', man. I'm not the most optimistic person by nature (truth is I'm pretty cynical and jaded), but I figure it's best to just enjoy my entertainment or what's the point of it all.

The hope thing, while it exists, is like this for me:

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FuzzyLogic said:
This will probably come out as either 1) being an a** or 2) stupid - so apologies in advance, a lot going on today so slightly distracted.

I don't get what or who you are arguing with? You just keep basically repeating the same thing "some of us want more" what does that even mean?

Granted I don't read every thread as closely as others, but I have yet to see one person on here say "Yeah! We won the division, let's pack it up for this year! My fandom needs have been fulfilled".

Like any aspect of life, goals are usually met in stages (unless it is a very simplistic goal). The team you are a fan of has met the first goal in the pursuit of their larger goal, making the playoffs. I haven't heard a player or coach say "we're done" they are still at least trying to meet the overall goal of winning the Super Bowl, which by the way is a damn difficult thing to accomplish.

We all want a dynasty with a team that everyone thinks yep they are the favorites again - news flash, that is even rarer than a team winning the SB (and a damn site harder).

You (and other like you) want more apparently - what is your plan for getting more? Boycott? No money for Bob (e.g. don't buy seats, or hats/jerseys)?

A very small percentage of fans frequent forums, everyone on this board could all stop being a fan right now, and no one would notice.

Your team is your team - you root for them good or bad, you can complain all you want as that is a right your fandom buys you, if that is your choice.

If we all stopped being fans of our favorite teams then what would happen when the Red Sox finally won? Or even more recently the Cubs? They had generations of fans that never saw them win it all, but they still had fans that cheered for them, spent money on them etc. etc.

We are fans... we can't will or cheer our team to victory. We can't change management, we can't change the owner or how the organization works. All of that is a futile effort.

For me personally I saw what happened when a town gave up on an owner, my beloved Oilers went away and became a team I can't stand. Again just me personally I'll take bad football over no football any Sunday of the year. I don't spend a dime on them (well OK I have two jerseys and two hats, your welcome Mr. McNair) But they are my team, and I cheer for them, and curse at them, and hope they figure it out or get lucky and win it all without figuring it out.

They won the division and made the playoffs. It is pretty obvious that they haven't figured anything out yet. Come on luck.
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See: The difference is some of us would rather have no football, than a profiteering owner who has made a billion $$$$ off of fans that think like you do, while not doing everything possible to put the best product possible that he can on the field.

To each his own.
 
Double Barrel said:
yep. While my head uses reason and logic and would not allow me to bet on the Texans in the playoffs (if I was a betting man), I'm not going to lie: in my heart there is hope. Anything can happen. Even if it's just a 1% chance, it's still a chance, and that's what keeps bringing us back as fans year after year.

Fortunately, for all the analysis, props, criticism, etc., of Bob McNair, I do think he is a fan, as well:

Texans’ Bob McNair on winning division title again: ‘The goal is to win it all’

"Well, it [division title/playoffs] is not the goal," McNair said. "The goal is to win it all but this is the first step. If we don't accomplish this, we have no chance. Now it's a new game and we'll have a chance to go after the brass ring and that's what we want to do."

I honestly do not sense any complacency with McNair these days. I think he's an old dude that wants desperately to win a Lombardi. He's got all the money he could want and his franchise is certainly a financial success. But, the one thing he does not have is that extremely hard-to-get silver trophy.



Reading your words, man, I understand where you're coming from as an old Houston pro football fan. Your words come from frustration. And I get it.

But, don't let that frustration steal your joy. Always remember that it's just entertainment. Nothing more, nothing less. As Jerry Seinfeld said, "we watch and they won". We are mere spectators, and while it does feel good to be a fan of a winning team, I refuse to be defined by it. And after 35-3 almost 24 years ago (next Tuesday, to be exact), I absolutely refuse to let a game that other men play dictate my happiness in life.

So, as I mentioned, even though your head is telling you it's a long shot, let your heart revel in the hope and fun of having a team with a ticket to the dance. Ya' never know, one day our team might get the chance to dance with the pretty girl.
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Then hey McNair, if you truly feel that way fire Rick Smith/Bobby Greir and let your new people run the personnel side of things. Collect your billions and be happy instead of putting restrictions on who your personnel people can and cannot add to your org.
 
thunderkyss said:
I bet Colts fans wish they could celebrate winning the division.
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I bet they wish more for a new GM and Head Coach.

And wish they had another SB under Manning, a GOAT that is just as rare. But at least they have one and all those pretty banners. It's not like Manning went elsewhere for four years, saw two SBs and won one.
 
steelbtexan said:
See: The difference is some of us would rather have no football, than a profiteering owner who has made a billion $$$$ off of fans that think like you do, while not doing everything possible to put the best product possible that he can on the field.

To each his own.
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Plenty of teams out there without McNair's limitations still not in the playoffs year after year. Two of them in our own division.

I don't think McNair's limitations hamstrings this team as much as you do.

For instance, had we drafted Tyreek Hill, I doubt he would have impacted our team much more than Wendell Williams, Tyler Ervin, or Braxton Miller.
 
TexansBull said:
I bet they wish more for a new GM and Head Coach.

And wish they had another SB under Manning, a GOAT that is just as rare. But at least they have one and all those pretty banners. It's not like Manning went elsewhere for four years, saw two SBs and won one.
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Still they wish they won the division this year.. or last year.
 
steelbtexan said:
See: The difference is some of us would rather have no football, than a profiteering owner who has made a billion $$$$ off of fans that think like you do, while not doing everything possible to put the best product possible that he can on the field.

To each his own.
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And yet you are still here... but it's fans like me that are the problem, mmmk.

You have been demanding more I take it? How has that worked out for you?
 
FuzzyLogic said:
And yet you are still here... but it's fans like me that are the problem, mmmk.

You have been demanding more I take it? How has that worked out for you?
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I don't know where this victim mentality comes from that if someone disagrees with you all of a sudden there's something wrong with you. It's fuzzy logic to me.
 
Not really fuzzy logic if you follow along... his key point was that the owner has made billions of dollars off of fans like me. Implying that he isn't a fan like me, so therefore the owner isn't making money off of him?

I clearly stated I have invested a complete total of a few hundred dollars in Texans gear (of course not all of it, one of the jerseys I have was a gift). Bob McNair will make money off of football whether I buy his merchandise, go to his games, watch them on TV. Nothing I do is going to stop McNair from making money.

I also don't see the point of saying Bob McNair is a profiteer, he sure as hell didn't buy an NFL team to loose money. Point out the NFL owners that are willing to loose money to win? They all make a profit.

I value quite a bit of the info from SteelB, and normally enjoy reading his post, has a lot of knowledge, respect what he has to say... but when he gets on the McNair/Smith kick it just gets out of hand. Somehow he feels if we just wish it hard enough McNair will sell the team to someone who will loose a billion dollars and give us a winner. Which is not going to happen.
 
steelbtexan said:
See: The difference is some of us would rather have no football, than a profiteering owner who has made a billion $$$$ off of fans that think like you do, while not doing everything possible to put the best product possible that he can on the field.

To each his own.
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No one (other than your wife) is forcing you to follow the Texans. You don't have to have football otherwise
 
FuzzyLogic said:
And yet you are still here... but it's fans like me that are the problem, mmmk.

You have been demanding more I take it? How has that worked out for you?
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I'm a fan of Houston teams, not a fan of having a team and certainly not a fan of the crap the McNair's have put on the field for a decade and a half. You're not a problem the McNair's are counting on fans like you.

The ones that are happy just having football. It's made him a billion $$$$$ and is probably going to make him another billion in his lifetime. He loves you. Or should I say he loves your $$$$.

My way of protesting is I haven't bought any Texans gear since 2010.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm a fan of Houston teams, not a fan of having a team and certainly not a fan of the crap the McNair's have put on the field for a decade and a half. You're not a problem the McNair's are counting on fans like you.

The ones that are happy just having football. It's made him a billion $$$$$ and is probably going to make him another billion in his lifetime. He loves you. Or should I say he loves your $$$$.

My way of protesting is I haven't bought any Texans gear since 2010.
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How many games have you attended since 2010?
 
PapaL said:
He stopped being a fan. Don't let the interaction fool. He's no longer on the board or following the team.

Funny how winning fixes things though. Odd.
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?

After a decade and a half I'm not a fan. OK

Just because I don't think ownership is all about winning. 15 yrs and counting.
 
PapaL said:
How many games have you attended since 2010?
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Every home game except the Cincy game. (Christmas eve/ family) And I attend 1 away game every yr. Probably Pats or Ravens next yr. How is the weekend experience in Baltimore?
 
FuzzyLogic said:
Not really fuzzy logic if you follow along... his key point was that the owner has made billions of dollars off of fans like me. Implying that he isn't a fan like me, so therefore the owner isn't making money off of him?

I clearly stated I have invested a complete total of a few hundred dollars in Texans gear (of course not all of it, one of the jerseys I have was a gift). Bob McNair will make money off of football whether I buy his merchandise, go to his games, watch them on TV. Nothing I do is going to stop McNair from making money.

I also don't see the point of saying Bob McNair is a profiteer, he sure as hell didn't buy an NFL team to loose money. Point out the NFL owners that are willing to loose money to win? They all make a profit.

I value quite a bit of the info from SteelB, and normally enjoy reading his post, has a lot of knowledge, respect what he has to say... but when he gets on the McNair/Smith kick it just gets out of hand. Somehow he feels if we just wish it hard enough McNair will sell the team to someone who will loose a billion dollars and give us a winner. Which is not going to happen.
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He makes $$$$ off of all fans. Including me.

Difference is I could care less if he pulls a Bud and moves the team, since he's not all about winning. You care about this and there's nothing wrong with that. You're a butt hurt Oiler fan and I get that. I was too. Difference is now I'm not attached to the Texans the way you are to them. Nor will I ever be attached to a team like I was the Oilers. I'm used to what the McNair's have pulled over on their fans. He learned this (From McNair's own mouth after Bud's funeral) his good friend and mentor Bud Adams.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm a fan of Houston teams, not a fan of having a team and certainly not a fan of the crap the McNair's have put on the field for a decade and a half. You're not a problem the McNair's are counting on fans like you.

The ones that are happy just having football. It's made him a billion $$$$$ and is probably going to make him another billion in his lifetime. He loves you. Or should I say he loves your $$$$.

My way of protesting is I haven't bought any Texans gear since 2010.
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Does it bother you that he is making money? He made an investment and it's paying off for him. Do you consider that a bad thing? You're always bringing up the money thing, are you jealous or something?
 
You keep saying a fan like me... I have stated a few times now, I own two jerseys (one a gift) and two hats. I have been to a handful of games in their existence, I have paid for none of them. Yet some how Bob McNair is still making money. I just can't figure it out, how I am enabling him to be a billionaire.

I like watching football, I like having a local team to root for, I understand if winning a Super Bowl was easy everyone would be doing it, I understand its been 15 years (I would love to say it has been longer for Houston football, which it has, however you can't blame that on McNair) how the hell does Cleveland, Philly, Arizona, Detroit still have any fans? Those stadiums should be ghost towns if all that matters is winning the SB. There is value to the city and the fans to have an NFL team.

I would actually be embarrassed to be the 4th largest city in the country, but not have an NFL team. In fact it was embarrassing since most of my family are either Indy, or Pittsburgh fans and liked to remind me that their "podunk" towns could support a NFL team but us big city boys couldn't have one.

I also actually like the fact that every night when I turn on the news I don't find out which Texans player has been arrested. So if "doing everything it takes to win" means signing guys with repeated character issues, I'll pass. This isn't the NFL of the 70's where they were "outlaws" these men are millionaires.

That's just me though... you be you.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Plenty of teams out there without McNair's limitations still not in the playoffs year after year. Two of them in our own division.

I don't think McNair's limitations hamstrings this team as much as you do.

For instance, had we drafted Tyreek Hill, I doubt he would have impacted our team much more than Wendell Williams, Tyler Ervin, or Braxton Miller.
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Well we will have to disagree on this one.

Hill would've made more of a contribution if he did anything at all. Those guys have done nothing. I will argue that Hill a 5th rd pick has done more for his team than WFIV has. Have you watched any Chiefs games? He's a differencemaker. BTW, his teammates love him.
 
JB said:
Does it bother you that he is making money? He made an investment and it's paying off for him. Do you consider that a bad thing? You're always bringing up the money thing, are you jealous or something?
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If I bought an NFL franchise, I'd better damn well make a ton of money off the damn thing. So yeah, our owner is in for the money, or else he wouldn't be an owner. Which leaves us with lots of options to argue about. He's a bad owner, he's a good owner but clueless, there is a curse on Houston, we've had horrible coaches, we've had and still have horrible GMs, all kinds of things to piss and moan about.

But if he wasn't making money, we probably wouldn't have an NFL franchise to argue about.
 
steelbtexan said:
Every home game except the Cincy game. (Christmas eve/ family) And I attend 1 away game every yr. Probably Pats or Ravens next yr. How is the weekend experience in Baltimore?
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Honestly it depends on the time of year. Winter with the wind coming in from the bay is extra cold. Rest of the year it's not bad. Definitely stay near the harbor. 2 blocks out is really shady but the police do a good job keeping that foolishness away from the tourist areas. Lots of places to eat, drink, and be merry. Really nice aquarium. Science museum is there too. Plus DC is about 45 mins away; lots to see there!
 
JB said:
Does it bother you that he is making money? He made an investment and it's paying off for him. Do you consider that a bad thing? You're always bringing up the money thing, are you jealous or something?
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No jealousy,

But when a town that is championship hungry as Houston is, helps its new owner become the 7th richest franchise in all of sports and isn't willing to put the best talent possible on the field it makes me question said owners motives.
 
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