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I guarantee you those Steelers... the players & coaches are happy as all get out that they won their division. If you asked them right now if their season was a success they'd say, "Heck yeah, so far."

Can't win the Super Bowl without winning the division.

It's only some fans who look at our situation & say, "Whelp, we'll probably lose the next game." The rest of us appreciate the chance to play for a championship. We might win the next three games, who knows? We shouldn't have won 9 games so far, but we did. Don't know how... but we did. I don't know how we're going to beat KC or Oakland wild card weekend, but I'm not going to give up on the possibility that we might.


& if we beat them, who knows what's going to happen against New England. Speaking of which, I'm sure every team in the playoffs would like to avoid New England as long as possible. That's just not being a dumbass.



Do you think the Steelers will call it a successful season of winning a playoff game and then losing the next? I don't. Being happy and celebrating are two different things. I am happy to get ice cream but don't celebrate it.

And I disagree that noone wants to play NE and want to avoid them. If you are a winner, like Pittsburgh, or KC even, you are saying bring it on because you aren't scared.

YOU WANT TO PLAY THE BEST TO BEAT THE BEST TO BE THE BEST.

Right now we are trying to avoid the best. Fans see it and lose excitement.

It's essentially blue balls for fans. Sorry kids. Close but not close enough.
 
Do you think the Steelers will call it a successful season of winning a playoff game and then losing the next? I don't. Being happy and celebrating are two different things. I am happy to get ice cream but don't celebrate it.

And I disagree that noone wants to play NE and want to avoid them. If you are a winner, like Pittsburgh, or KC even, you are saying bring it on because you aren't scared.

YOU WANT TO PLAY THE BEST TO BEAT THE BEST TO BE THE BEST.

Right now we are trying to avoid the best. Fans see it and lose excitement.

It's essentially blue balls for fans. Sorry kids. Close but not close enough.

So you didn't celebrate winning the division? Steelers did

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Before Brady New England was what Cleveland is now, Baltimore didn't move from Cleveland because they were a great team... they were pretty much one and done if that before, Green Bay went from late '60's until Favre without winning, Pittsburgh never won squat prior to Noll.

Wow. You had to jump in a DeLorean to get that info. You proved my point that over the last 10-15 years those teams have been successful and contending for multiple super bowls.

Parcells took the Patriots to the Superbowl in 1996 btw. That was a few years before Brady.

Since the Ravens came into existence they have been a different franchise. Since 2000 they have been a franchise that have won multiple Superbowls and are contending for another one more often than not.

When are we going to be a contender? Next year? It's always next year.
 
So you didn't celebrate winning the division? Steelers did

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There is a difference between being a player and being a fan. I hope you get that. Did you pop open a bottle of champagne and spray it on your family and jump around the living room? Please tell me you did.
 
Wow. You had to jump in a DeLorean to get that info. You proved my point that over the last 10-15 years those teams have been successful and contending for multiple super bowls.

Parcells took the Patriots to the Superbowl in 1996 btw. That was a few years before Brady.

Since the Ravens came into existence they have been a different franchise. Since 2000 they have been a franchise that have won multiple Superbowls and are contending for another one more often than not.

When are we going to be a contender? Next year? It's always next year.

You must be of the young "instant gratification" generation
 
You must be of the young "instant gratification" generation
JB you know there is a section of the fan base that bemoans the Texans winning the division and making the playoffs. Look what it does to the draft position? Give them some time to mourn, OK?
 
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There's the level the Texans are on with Cincinnati, Detroit, Colts, Chargers, etc that is good enough to get into the playoffs but not good enough to win the whole thing and look silly against elite teams. Yay for us.

We aren't the Pitt, Baltimore or NE who are in the conversations for being winners all the time. That expect to win the Super bowl year end year out. Heck, we make fun of Dallas but look at them now.

I am just saying fans are tired of the same old same old. 9-7. 8-8. Playoffs. Yay we won a game. Boom we get smashed. Qb carousel. Some have been dealing with this going back to the Oilers. Always the bridesmaid never the bride.

There's nothing wrong with the lot of you who fly your flags for a 9-7 season and say we won the division and a game in the playoffs. Success! If that's your definition congrats.

Some of us want more. It's not elite sense of fandom. It's how other fans of other teams actually act and expect. Dallas, New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Green Bay. They want it all. Maybe we could learn something from them. Maybe division banners don't mean anything to them. Maybe that's not meeting the expectations but the expectation is to be at the minimum to be in the Super bowl. There is nothing wrong with that.



Lol, who gives a **** about the conversations of being a contender? I sure as hell don't. I mean seriously, you're caught up in what outsiders believe to be our ceiling & as long as you look at it from that perspective, you're always gonna feel the way you feel. 1st of all, The conversations these ESPN nitwits that you're talking about engage in almost always center around the qb position. & since we don't really have one that they respect, we'll never be in those. 2nd of all, fan expectations for their team winning a championship "all the time" as you say mainly arise b/c said team has won 1 in the last 10 years..in which case we've only been in existence for a little over that. 3rd, there's only 1 way to get into these conversations that you're so caught up in............... & that's to go out and win against all the odds...........Like NE did with a no-name qb in 2002...like Pitt did back in 2006 coming into the playoffs as a 6th seed against a 14-2 Indy colts team.......like Baltimore did in 2012 beating a Peyton Manning led Broncos offense......... in mile high with a qb that statistically wasn't anything special.

Now is anything likely to happen with us this year? No, but it could. Its ok to want more, we all do, but we all recognize you have to be in it to get more.
 
There is a difference between being a player and being a fan. I hope you get that. Did you pop open a bottle of champagne and spray it on your family and jump around the living room? Please tell me you did.

Point is that around the league teams and fans alike celebrate their accomplishments. Difference here is that not many are anticipating failure as you are. Sure they all know it's probable... only 1 team wins a ring, but they certainly aren't looking at the playoffs with failure in mind
 
This is the problem I've got with what you're saying.

Nobody is using division banners as "the" measure of success.

However, if you're going to tell me that Rick Smith is garbage, I'm going to point to those division banners. Sorry, but they mean something. They're not the end all be all, but they're not totally meaningless either.

Somewhere in between.

How many times did John Harbaugh win those pesky banners before winning the Super Bowl? I like that Flacco went to the play offs (whether they won the division or not, I really don't know) from his rookie year through to their Super Bowl win.

I'm not much of a *****(er), but I'll be upset if they don't win the Super Bowl, that's not going to stop me from recognizing when they did accomplish something.

I keep repeating myself because it still hasn't sunk in.

There is nothing wrong with what you are doing. Others want more and there is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. You can't see that getting the same thing over and over again with the same end result - winning a banner and then getting blasted by really good teams becomes baseline and that people will get tired of it. Good enough to get in but not good enough to really compete.

It's apparent you have a problem with those people that want more to the point that they have set there minimum expectations on more than a banner and aren't going to get in the streets and parade about it. But that's your problem and not mine.
 
I keep repeating myself because it still hasn't sunk in.

There is nothing wrong with what you are doing. Others want more and there is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. You can't see that getting the same thing over and over again with the same end result - winning a banner and then getting blasted by really good teams becomes baseline and that people will get tired of it. Good enough to get in but not good enough to really compete.

It's apparent you have a problem with those people that want more to the point that they have set there minimum expectations on more than a banner and aren't going to get in the streets and parade about it. But that's your problem and not mine.

I haven't gotten in the streets & paraded about anything.

Even if they win the Super Bowl, I don't think I'll be parading.

You don't want more than me. You're just not smelling the roses along the way.
 
You must be of the young "instant gratification" generation


10-15 years is instant gratification? Coaches get fired every 4-5 years based on results. Your response is weak and paint drying must be a fast experience for you.
 
I keep repeating myself because it still hasn't sunk in.

There is nothing wrong with what you are doing. Others want more and there is nothing wrong with that in my opinion. You can't see that getting the same thing over and over again with the same end result - winning a banner and then getting blasted by really good teams becomes baseline and that people will get tired of it. Good enough to get in but not good enough to really compete.

It's apparent you have a problem with those people that want more to the point that they have set there minimum expectations on more than a banner and aren't going to get in the streets and parade about it. But that's your problem and not mine.

What makes you think you want more than any of the rest of us?
 
Lol, who gives a **** about the conversations of being a contender? I sure as hell don't. I mean seriously, you're caught up in what outsiders believe to be our ceiling & as long as you look at it from that perspective, you're always gonna feel the way you feel. 1st of all, The conversations these ESPN nitwits that you're talking about engage in almost always center around the qb position. & since we don't really have one that they respect, we'll never be in those. 2nd of all, fan expectations for their team winning a championship "all the time" as you say mainly arise b/c said team has won 1 in the last 10 years..in which case we've only been in existence for a little over that. 3rd, there's only 1 way to get into these conversations that you're so caught up in............... & that's to go out and win against all the odds...........Like NE did with a no-name qb in 2002...like Pitt did back in 2006 coming into the playoffs as a 6th seed against a 14-2 Indy colts team.......like Baltimore did in 2012 beating a Peyton Manning led Broncos offense......... in mile high with a qb that statistically wasn't anything special.

Now is anything likely to happen with us this year? No, but it could. Its ok to want more, we all do, but we all recognize you have to be in it to get more.

I never mentioned ESPN. The conversations I speak of are ones with other regular joes of other teams in a bar.

And I bet Baltimore fans go around talking about hey - we didn't win a super bowl this year member that time we beat Peyton manning inn the playoffs? Yeah that happens.
 
I never mentioned ESPN. The conversations I speak of are ones with other regular joes of other teams in a bar.

And I bet Baltimore fans go around talking about hey - we didn't win a super bowl this year member that time we beat Peyton manning inn the playoffs? Yeah that happens.

I bet Baltimore fans wish they won a banner this year. Right now, they'd probably even celebrate if they had.
 
No one in the history of the NFL has won a Super Bowl without being in the playoffs. Of all the teams, we probably are the least likely to win it all but you know what? At least we have a chance. Giants and Ravens got hot at the right time and won their last SBs. Hell even Denver last year wasn't a lock to win it. Defense was above average regular season and offense was meh. Our defense can also hang with anyone. If our offense wakes up, we have a chance. I'd rather have a chance than to just go home and start reading draft reports; even if it is only a week difference.
 
I haven't gotten in the streets & paraded about anything.

Even if they win the Super Bowl, I don't think I'll be parading.

You don't want more than me. You're just not smelling the roses along the way.

I never said me. My original reply to Norg was don't be mad at fans that sell their tickets when a winning team that fans can believe in is not on the field. That expanded into a.team that is truly competitive and can win a super bowl year end and out and not a junker that can only get in and win one game. I said I get fans that feel that way.

You got defensive and felt i was questioning your fandom. I said their was nothing wrong with either side.of the fan base.
 
Yeah it is when you been waiting for the next championship since the last one in 1963

Sorry to shout but YOU SHOULD KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT AND BE FRUSTRATED AND WANT MORE THAN A BANNER AND BE PISSED WHEN A DALLAS COWBOY FAN TELLS YOU CONGRATULATIONS SARCASTICALLY BECAUSE YOU BOTH KNOW THERE IS A LIKELY HOOD THAT YOU WONT BE IN THE SUPERBOWL BUT THE COWBOYS HAVE A GOOD SHOT OF WINNING ONE IN HOUSTON! DON'T TALK TO ME ABOUT A STUPID BANNER WHEN THIS CITY IS HEADED FOR A DISASTER OF BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS. HUMAN SACRIFICE, DOGS AND CATS LIVING TOGETHER! MASS HYSTERIA!
 
I never mentioned ESPN. The conversations I speak of are ones with other regular joes of other teams in a bar.

And I bet Baltimore fans go around talking about hey - we didn't win a super bowl this year member that time we beat Peyton manning inn the playoffs? Yeah that happens.


Ok you realize that EVERY teams' fans do that right? Hell I have a cowboy buddy who every year without fail for the last 10 years has called me at the beginning of the season, week 8 and in some instances week 12 and beyond swearing up & down that his boys are going to the SB. and from a success standpoint, them dudes have won just as many playoff games as us in that same time span.

And although he's more realistic, than my Cowboy buddy, I've got a steeler friend of mine who does the exact same thing.

So what Texans fans are doing by celebrating a division title and hoping against hope that we'll be able to make a little noise in the playoffs this year is no different than what all teams' fans do. Stop acting like this is something exclusive to our fan base. At the end of the day, the ones most invested will be the ones most rewarded if we do happen to make a run.
 
Ok you realize that EVERY teams' fans do that right? Hell I have a cowboy buddy who every year without fail for the last 10 years has called me at the beginning of the season, week 8 and in some instances week 12 and beyond swearing up & down that his boys are going to the SB. and from a success standpoint, them dudes have won just as many playoff games as us in that same time span.

And although he's more realistic, than my Cowboy buddy, I've got a steeler friend of mine who does the exact same thing.

So what Texans fans are doing by celebrating a division title and hoping against hope that we'll be able to make a little noise in the playoffs this year is no different than what all teams' fans do. Stop acting like this is something exclusive to our fan base. At the end of the day, the ones most invested will be the ones most rewarded if we do happen to make a run.

So are you saying if i tithe 10% of my income to buy Texans merchandise and season tickets I will be the most rewarded if we ever win a Super bowl? Mr. McNair - is that you?
 
I never said me. My original reply to Norg was don't be mad at fans that sell their tickets when a winning team that fans can believe in is not on the field. That expanded into a.team that is truly competitive and can win a super bowl year end and out and not a junker that can only get in and win one game. I said I get fans that feel that way.

You got defensive and felt i was questioning your fandom. I said their was nothing wrong with either side.of the fan base.

But.... :thinking: & furthermore :thinking:

ya' got me.
 
So are you saying if i tithe 10% of my income to buy Texans merchandise and season tickets I will be the most rewarded if we ever win a Super bowl? Mr. McNair - is that you?

Lol, you're looking at it purely from a financial standpoint, but yeah that's pretty much it. If you're crazy enough about the team to drop hundreds of dollars on season tickets and/or merch, you're invested in that team financially, but you're also pretty well invested in them emotionally as well if you're willing to do that.

I'm about as big of a Texans fan as it comes, I defend them just about whenever I can (brock osweiler signing not withstanding)........ but I've got 1 fitted cap & 1 T-shirt....rarely if ever go to games. But if/when they win a SB, im not gonna be one of those fans out in the streets on ABC 13 screaming in the camera with elation. I'll be happy of course and will rock my 1 fitted with more pride though. I'm invested by I ain't invested like that.
 
Lol, you're looking at it purely from a financial standpoint, but yeah that's pretty much it. If you're crazy enough about the team to drop hundreds of dollars on season tickets and/or merch, you're invested in that team financially, but you're also pretty well invested in them emotionally as well if you're willing to do that.

I'm about as big of a Texans fan as it comes, I defend them just about whenever I can (brock osweiler signing not withstanding)........ but I've got 1 fitted cap & 1 T-shirt....rarely if ever go to games. But if/when they win a SB, im not gonna be one of those fans out in the streets on ABC 13 screaming in the camera with elation. I'll be happy of course and will rock my 1 fitted with more pride though. I'm invested by I ain't invested like that.

If they win the Superbowl I will be the naked guy twirling my baton leading the parade. You will probably want to close your eyes.
 
If they win the Superbowl I will be the naked guy twirling my baton leading the parade. You will probably want to close your eyes.

Even though the Rockets won back to back titles, the majority of fans around the country still refused to (& continue to do so) acknowledge just how good those teams to win it all back to back and didn't really look at them as worthy contenders to a Bulls dynasty before and after them b/c Jordan wasn't around.

So why worry about what a fan of another team thinks in conversations at a frickin' bar if the outcome of you twirling your baton at the front of the parade is gonna be the same whether they consider them contenders or not? Half of them don't even pay enough attention to your team & the others are a combo of blind haters and straight up idiots who don't even know or understand the game.
 
If you are a championship or nothing kind of fan, you probably aren't going to be a fan for long. Pro sports is full of peaks and valleys. Revel in the peaks, try and ride thru the valleys and appreciate progress when you get it. If you think that all of us are satisfied with Division titles, you're crazy. Nobody is, but appreciate it when you do get one because winning a division isn't easy.
 
There's the level the Texans are on with Cincinnati, Detroit, Colts, Chargers, etc that is good enough to get into the playoffs but not good enough to win the whole thing and look silly against elite teams. Yay for us.

We aren't the Pitt, Baltimore or NE who are in the conversations for being winners all the time. That expect to win the Super bowl year end year out. Heck, we make fun of Dallas but look at them now.

I am just saying fans are tired of the same old same old. 9-7. 8-8. Playoffs. Yay we won a game. Boom we get smashed. Qb carousel. Some have been dealing with this going back to the Oilers. Always the bridesmaid never the bride.

There's nothing wrong with the lot of you who fly your flags for a 9-7 season and say we won the division and a game in the playoffs. Success! If that's your definition congrats.

Some of us want more. It's not elite sense of fandom. It's how other fans of other teams actually act and expect. Dallas, New England, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Green Bay. They want it all. Maybe we could learn something from them. Maybe division banners don't mean anything to them. Maybe that's not meeting the expectations but the expectation is to be at the minimum to be in the Super bowl. There is nothing wrong with that.
There are a lot of folks just like you. Probably excited in 2011 to make the playoffs. But the team hasn't advanced further than that - its the same ole same old. Like Atlanta Braves fans in the 1990s. Went to the playoff every year but rarely won it all (once I think). The Braves were a top team but their fans were - meh.

Now you won't get any enjoyment until they make AFC Championship game. Only you will only enjoy the one week because you have talked yourself into same ole same old up until then. Then you won't get any enjoyment until they win the Super Bowl. Then - you will never ever enjoy them again, because winning it all is just same ole same old, and anything less is a disaster. Sad really.

I don't see the Ravens as "in the conversation" for winning all the time. They did win 2 Super Bowls, but 12 years apart. Hardly a master plan coming together. And their last Super Bowl win was a season - kinda like the Texans last 3 seasons. They were OK at one point (9-2, but with a 43-13 beatdown by the Texans - I guess they couldn't keep up with the good teams). Then December was a 1-4 crapfest and they staggered into the playoffs at 10-6 as the coldest team. Then in the playoffs, Flacco went nuts for 4 games and played the best of his life. Even Jacoby F. Jones was great in the Super Bowl. No one would have predicted them winning (especially not you) but they did. No one is predicting the Texans will win it all this year (well, maybe JamTex) but they are in the playoffs so they could.

In the Super Bowl era every team has had a stretch of at least 20 years of not winning a Super Bowl (well only 15 for Texans, 20 for all others). So no matter what team you were rooting for, you would have given up on them.

Everyone gets used to "the norm" and gets frustrated with the same ole same old. Would I rather be frustrated with the Patriots same old than the Texans? Of course. But I would rather be at the Texans same old than the Browns or the Jags, even though many people here seem to feel the Texans is the worst run franchise in history.
 
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The only team in the NFL that can fit this pipe dream of being great year in and year out is the Pats. They are lucky to have the best coach in the league paired with arguably the best QB of all time. For everybody else there are good years and bad. For most it's a slow build until it all comes together with a couple of seasons being at the top of the heap. For some it's just one magical year when the stars aline and everything goes right. Neither Super Bowl team from last year even made the playoffs this year. I've got plenty of arm chair complaints about the way they run the franchise, but I'll take my chances with my team winning their division and getting into the tournament. One of these years it will all click. Who knows, maybe it will be this one.
 
So did we ever figure out the Texans 2017 schedule? Clueless fans that believe the Texans have a chance to win would like to know.
 
So did we ever figure out the Texans 2017 schedule? Clueless fans that believe the Texans have a chance to win would like to know.

We figured out that we'll go 16-0 in the regular season and 3-0 in the playoffs. Feel free to buy memorabilia now.
 
The only team in the NFL that can fit this pipe dream of being great year in and year out is the Pats. They are lucky to have the best coach in the league paired with arguably the best QB of all time. For everybody else there are good years and bad. For most it's a slow build until it all comes together with a couple of seasons being at the top of the heap. For some it's just one magical year when the stars aline and everything goes right. Neither Super Bowl team from last year even made the playoffs this year. I've got plenty of arm chair complaints about the way they run the franchise, but I'll take my chances with my team winning their division and getting into the tournament. One of these years it will all click. Who knows, maybe it will be this one.
You never know in this league. So many times the fate of a game comes down to one play or one player having a hot streak or another top player going down.
One thing is for sure though - it takes a team effort and team belief.
Perhaps the fans can help in that regard.
 
You never know in this league. So many times the fate of a game comes down to one play or one player having a hot streak or another top player going down.
One thing is for sure though - it takes a team effort and team belief.
Perhaps the fans can help in that regard.
Absolutely. The ball bounces our way a few times and somebody gets hot and who knows what can happen. Put it this way - over their 15 years or so of dominance, the Patriots have managed to win 4 rings. The rest of the time those rings went to somebody else. In many cases it was just a team that got hot at the right time.
 
The only team in the NFL that can fit this pipe dream of being great year in and year out is the Pats. They are lucky to have the best coach in the league paired with arguably the best QB of all time. For everybody else there are good years and bad. For most it's a slow build until it all comes together with a couple of seasons being at the top of the heap. For some it's just one magical year when the stars aline and everything goes right. Neither Super Bowl team from last year even made the playoffs this year. I've got plenty of arm chair complaints about the way they run the franchise, but I'll take my chances with my team winning their division and getting into the tournament. One of these years it will all click. Who knows, maybe it will be this one.
You never know in this league. So many times the fate of a game comes down to one play or one player having a hot streak or another top player going down.
One thing is for sure though - it takes a team effort and team belief.
Perhaps the fans can help in that regard.
Absolutely. The ball bounces our way a few times and somebody gets hot and who knows what can happen. Put it this way - over their 15 years or so of dominance, the Patriots have managed to win 4 rings. The rest of the time those rings went to somebody else. In many cases it was just a team that got hot at the right time.
Absolutely.
As good as they are, one would expect them to have won the lion's share of SB's - but it is not the case.
The Texans have an obvious weakness, but if that weakness gains strength, they could well cause an upset or three.
Here's hoping.
 
You know y'all are probably right. Fans should be happy and celebrate the divisional banners year after year meeting the same record and results year after year because there's that "this time maybe it will be different with a little luck on our side." This time we won't get blown out by a team that sees the playoffs as merely a stepping stone and has their eye on the prize - the Super bowl and will feel defeated if they won't win it. Maybe luck will bounce our way, get lucky on a few calls by the refs, hope the other team has a bad day when we have a good day. It can happen. You never know.And still be fearful to play really good teams.

I guess when you think about it getting the same result year after year after year and being satisfied with it us a good thing. Winning record - check. Division banner - check. Win wild card playoff game - maybe check. Lose next round - check. That equals satisfaction and happiness for a football team.

Some just come from the mindset if you achieve something year end year out set your sight on a bigger goal and prize. Raise your expectations. If you get B's in school- work a little harder to get an A. Dont just be happy with that B and say to yourself at least I didn't flunk like that guy Cleveland Browns.

Y'all are right. Let's celebrate!

I will leave you with this.

Why do coaches get fired that deliver divisional banners year end year out. Ravens did it to Billick. Denver did it to Fox. Tampa bay did it to Dungy. Because teams want more. The GM does. The owner does. I am willing to bet those fans in those cities scream for more than a divisional banner year end year out. Expectations are higher and grow every year from the previous year results until you reach the top.

If you dont get that than you never will and we just need to agree to disagree.
 
If you dont get that than you never will and we just need to agree to disagree.

I just don't get why you think that anyone doesn't want more. Do you think any of us don't want a SB ring for our Texans? Being proud of achievements doesn't signify not wanting greater achievements. But we can't win what hasn't been played. You're so down on the team and fans for not moaning about not winning the SB that hasn't been played yet. Don't that seem a bit ridiculous to you?
 
You know y'all are probably right. Fans should be happy and celebrate the divisional banners year after year meeting the same record and results year after year because there's that "this time maybe it will be different with a little luck on our side." This time we won't get blown out by a team that sees the playoffs as merely a stepping stone and has their eye on the prize - the Super bowl and will feel defeated if they won't win it. Maybe luck will bounce our way, get lucky on a few calls by the refs, hope the other team has a bad day when we have a good day. It can happen. You never know.And still be fearful to play really good teams.

I guess when you think about it getting the same result year after year after year and being satisfied with it us a good thing. Winning record - check. Division banner - check. Win wild card playoff game - maybe check. Lose next round - check. That equals satisfaction and happiness for a football team.

Some just come from the mindset if you achieve something year end year out set your sight on a bigger goal and prize. Raise your expectations. If you get B's in school- work a little harder to get an A. Dont just be happy with that B and say to yourself at least I didn't flunk like that guy Cleveland Browns.

Y'all are right. Let's celebrate!

I will leave you with this.

Why do coaches get fired that deliver divisional banners year end year out. Ravens did it to Billick. Denver did it to Fox. Tampa bay did it to Dungy. Because teams want more. The GM does. The owner does. I am willing to bet those fans in those cities scream for more than a divisional banner year end year out. Expectations are higher and grow every year from the previous year results until you reach the top.

If you dont get that than you never will and we just need to agree to disagree.

I agree. The Texans should just tank from here on out. They're not going to win the Super Bowl, so what's the point in risking our non-capable-of-winning-a-Super-Bowl players to injury?
 
I just don't get why you think that anyone doesn't want more. Do you think any of us don't want a SB ring for our Texans? Being proud of achievements doesn't signify not wanting greater achievements. But we can't win what hasn't been played. You're so down on the team and fans for not moaning about not winning the SB that hasn't been played yet. Don't that seem a bit ridiculous to you?

You are having trouble following along or I am doing a poor job communicating. Probably the later.

It's not a question of wanting more. It's a question of being happy celebrating the banner. If you are happy with that ok. That's fine. I never beat up anyone on that. If you aren't happy with that and you want more, like a win in the second round i have said that's ok too, but some have issue at that and I have just typed rebuttals to that.

The more I type these responses at first i didn't think i fell into that second group, but I have talked myself into it.

I am getting ahead of myself without seeing the results in the playoffs. Bad fan. No sarcasm. But this team looks and smells just like last year and the other year we got it in. One win and done and getting blown out. Thats not being competitive to some. That's taking advantage of a weak division I just can't high five everyone and get excited about that if it happens again.

The players will get an A for effort, and A for battling through bad qb and play calls. But end results are end results. The team (coaches and org included) didn't do better than last year if it's one and done. Perhaps I am too hard on them. I hope McNair is though.

I am a bit surprised more don't feel that way. I am not down on the players, just the end result if it's one and done with a blow out again.

I just need to listen to this over and over:

https://vid.me/K9b7
 
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