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Texans 2015 Salary Cap Outlook -- OverTheCap.com

Texian said:
Didn't think you would but just so you know....HOT OFF THE WIRE....

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How much to bet against them? 5 gets me 6 if I go against them? I really don't understand betting odds. Nor would I really bet, But I guess a rhetorical bet won't hurt.
 
Texian said:
I think you should read TKs post to better understand the point and the perspective of the post. A. He was making a post Myer/Johnson comparison and what SEA and NE are getting for their $140M is really a poor comparison to the Texans $140M.
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Texans cap situation is great heading into 2016. They successfully front-loaded JJ Watts contract, so his cap hit goes down significantly next year. They will have roughly 50 players on the roster, post draft, with contracts extended through 2016 for a total of $100-$105 million. Not only that, but many of their biggest cap hits are at the back end of their contracts and can be restructured if extended or cut, if needed- guys like Foster, Brown, Graham.

They certainly made some mistakes the past few years with contracts. Their last 2 big, bad contract was AJ, which they have gotten out of now and Cushing, which they can restructure or cut for savings next year.

Also, there modest involvement in free agency last year is going to net at least 3 compensatory picks in next month's draft.
 
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dalemurphy said:
Texans cap situation is great heading into 2014. They successfully front-loaded JJ Watts contract, so his cap hit goes down significantly next year. They will have roughly 50 players on the roster, post draft, with contracts extended through 2016 for a total of $100-$105 million. Not only that, but many of their biggest cap hits are at the back end of their contracts and can be restructured if extended or cut, if needed- guys like Foster, Brown, Graham.

They certainly made some mistakes the past few years with contracts. Their last 2 big, bad contract was AJ, which they have gotten out of now and Cushing, which they can restructure or cut for savings next year.

Also, there modest involvement in free agency last year is going to net at least 3 compensatory picks in next month's draft.
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The Texans actually started 2014 with less than $5m to spend, I'm sure that many would consider that great. I understand all that you're saying and you had me up until you mentioned the ***dreaded*** RESTRUCTURE. You do understand that RESTRUCTURE MEANS: I will gladly pay you next Tuesday for hamburger today? I also know that as eternal optimist you see all the positives of any future salary cap and are more than willing to consider even more positives that are really not positives. Before euporia hits a feverish pitch you should wait until 53 man roster is complete to see what effect that will have on 2016. Now tell me about the Texans' negatives, start with the competition.
 
Texian said:
I understand all that and you had me up until you mentioned the ***dreaded*** RESTRUCTURE. You do understand that RESTRUCTURE MEANS: I will gladly pay you next Tuesday for hamburger today? I also know that as eternal optimist you see all the positives of any future salary cap and are more than willing to consider even more positives that are really not positives. Now tell me about the Texans' negatives, start with the competition.
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Sure... Maybe I should have said extend. Guys that we want around for more years who are at the end of their contracts can be re-signed and the ballooned number at the end of the contract would be lowered.
 
Texian said:
I think you should read TKs post to better understand the point and the perspective of the post. A. He was making a post Myer/Johnson comparison and what SEA and NE are getting for their $140M is really a poor comparison to the Texans $140M.
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Is the Patriots $140M pre or post Revis & Wilfork?
 
Texian said:
The Texans actually started 2014 with less than $5m to spend, I'm sure that many would consider that great. I understand all that you're saying and you had me up until you mentioned the ***dreaded*** RESTRUCTURE. You do understand that RESTRUCTURE MEANS: I will gladly pay you next Tuesday for hamburger today? I also know that as eternal optimist you see all the positives of any future salary cap and are more than willing to consider even more positives that are really not positives. Before euporia hits a feverish pitch you should wait until 53 man roster is complete to see what effect that will have on 2016. Now tell me about the Texans' negatives, start with the competition.
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I meant- heading into 2016... Not sure how I missed the "6" that badly!?
 
what is also exciting, if the current known roster plus draft is successful, we could start BPA in 2016 draft. Maybe we can then become the team to look at for moving out certain vets with seasoned backups in place.
 
Texian said:
The Colts now have a legitimate shot of making it to the Super Bowl. They have surrounded Andrew Luck with plenty of legitimate high powered weapons, Frank Gore, T Y Hilton, Andre Johnson, Donte Moncrief, Coby Fleener and DeWayne Allen. Now tell me about the Texans....

When the time comes to sign Luck and Hilton to those 2nd contracts those aging vets and their salaries will be off the books or easy to cut without penalty. The Colts already have $66M in cap space in 2016 w/o cuts and could easily add another $20M w/ cuts if hey had to. Some GMs know how to plan and manage and others, well, not so much.



and yet the Colts still have enough cash to upgrade Redding and fill their roster.
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They had a legit shot last year and got drubbed.

The offense was never the Colts problem. Its the defense that is holding them back. I just don't see how the Colts offense is THAT much better with AJ and Gore. They had those other "high powered" weapons last year and got the snot knocked out of them in the playoffs. AJ and Gore won't change that.
 
austins23 said:
The offense was never the Colts problem. Its the defense that is holding them back. I just don't see how the Colts offense is THAT much better with AJ and Gore. They had those other "high powered" weapons last year and got the snot knocked out of them in the playoffs. AJ and Gore won't change that.
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AJ is better than Wayne was last year

Gore is way better than Richardson


They have better talent now, we'll see if they're a better team
 
JB said:
AJ is better than Wayne was last year

Gore is way better than Richardson


They have better talent now, we'll see if they're a better team
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They did not address the offensive line. As bad as Trent was that line isn't much better than him.

How about that defense that probably couldn't stop Trent running against them?
 
austins23 said:
They had a legit shot last year and got drubbed. IT'S EVEN BETTER NOW

The offense was never the Colts problem. Its the defense that is holding them back. I just don't see how the Colts offense is THAT much better with AJ and Gore. REALLY? They had those other "high powered" weapons last year and got the snot knocked out of them in the playoffs. AJ and Gore won't change that.
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They may end up with the best front 7 in the league and they already have a respectable backfield that they have added to. Your POV is most understandable as a Texans fan. However if you were a Colts fan you'd be ecstatic, euphoric, over the moon and couldn't be happier.
 
JB said:
AJ is better than Wayne was last year

Gore is way better than Richardson
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Not sure why folks are fighting the obvious so hard. AJ in the 24th yds, 17th scoring passing offense was more productive than Wayne in the 1st yds, 1st scoring passing offense.

Gore v draft bust, trade bust who?

They have better talent now, we'll see if they're a better team
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We need to get to the dance when Any Given Sunday truly kicks in.
 
DX-TEX said:
They did not address the offensive line. As bad as Trent was that line isn't much better than him.

How about that defense that probably couldn't stop Trent running against them?
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Sure they still have holes. Trying to fill with older FA, like they're in a win now or else mode.

I don't think they are the clear cut favorite. But to ignore the improvements isbeing silly.
 
JB said:
Sure they still have holes. Trying to fill with older FA, like they're in a win now or else mode.

I don't think they are the clear cut favorite. But to ignore the improvements isbeing silly.
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And the reigning champion has lost both starting corners, its NT and its utility speed RB.
 
Texian said:
The Texans actually started 2014 with less than $5m to spend, I'm sure that many would consider that great. I understand all that you're saying and you had me up until you mentioned the ***dreaded*** RESTRUCTURE. You do understand that RESTRUCTURE MEANS: I will gladly pay you next Tuesday for hamburger today? I also know that as eternal optimist you see all the positives of any future salary cap and are more than willing to consider even more positives that are really not positives. Before euporia hits a feverish pitch you should wait until 53 man roster is complete to see what effect that will have on 2016. Now tell me about the Texans' negatives, start with the competition.
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Restructure permits you to CUT NOW or Pay up front for NEXT SEASON, Salary which, though not guaranteed, is very likely to be paid anyway if you haven't chosen to cut the player.

The problem is in restructuring a player who gets injured and cannot perform or was too likely to begin or continue declining production.

Restructuring, like any tool, can be done well or poorly with a little luck thrown in to skew any result.
 
Texian is right about the colts being better this year. These moves by their gm are great. Surround your young Still improving stud QB still on a rookie contract with solid veteran weapons who's contracts won't be around when it's time to pay up luck.

This is a great strategy. It very we'll could put them over the top. They now have more talent than they did last year and Luck has another year experience and playoff experience now. They were one game away from winning the afc last year.

New England is less talented and Brady is another year older. He still looks really good but at his age you never know when things will start to turn. Other than NE who can outgun Indy? Denver? I'm not seeing manning holding up for an entire year and through the playoffs. No one else in the afc has made any real significant improvements.
 
mussop said:
Texian is right about the colts being better this year. These moves by their gm are great. Surround your young Still improving stud QB still on a rookie contract with solid veteran weapons who's contracts won't be around when it's time to pay up luck.

This is a great strategy. It very we'll could put them over the top. They now have more talent than they did last year and Luck has another year experience and playoff experience now. They were one game away from winning the afc last year.

New England is less talented and Brady is another year older. He still looks really good but at his age you never know when things will start to turn. Other than NE who can outgun Indy? Denver? I'm not seeing manning holding up for an entire year and through the playoffs. No one else in the afc has made any real significant improvements.
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Offensive Juggernaught. Defensive whatnot.
 
Texian said:
Revis and Wilfork UFA OFF NE 2015 books.
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I know you think this proves your point, but it goes towards what we've been trying to tell you. You're either playing for players or you're not. We had to release two players with big contracts to get to $140M. The Patriots did not resign/extend two players with big contracts to get to the same $140M.

The problem with the Texans is not that they manage their cap differently than the rest of the NFL. It's that they can not get near the same production out of similar... arguably better talent.
 
mussop said:
Texian is right about the colts being better this year. These moves by their gm are great. Surround your young Still improving stud QB still on a rookie contract with solid veteran weapons who's contracts won't be around when it's time to pay up luck.
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On paper I agree. Now we have to see if the coaches can fit all the pieces together & make it work. Remember when Philly infused their team with a lot of talent, they took a nose dive no one expected. Washington & Oakland have done similar things several times over & usually hasn't worked well for them. Personally, I think it works better when you add that one, or two pieces. Add too many (I'm not saying they did) then you're really starting over with a whole new team & last year's gains are lost (in reality).


mussop said:
This is a great strategy. It very we'll could put them over the top. They now have more talent than they did last year and Luck has another year experience and playoff experience now. They were one game away from winning the afc last year.
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I remember when the Jets got to the AFC Championship two years in a row, then fell off the face of the earth.

I remember it Baltimore in the Super Bowl one year & failing to make the play offs the next. I remember Pittsburgh winning the Super Bowl, then failing to make the next three play offs. Of course both those teams lost a lot of players & coaches, so not really the same thing.


mussop said:
New England is less talented and Brady is another year older. He still looks really good but at his age you never know when things will start to turn. Other than NE who can outgun Indy? Denver? I'm not seeing manning holding up for an entire year and through the playoffs. No one else in the afc has made any real significant improvements.
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Sometimes the team comes out of nowhere... let's hope it's our turn.
 
mussop said:
Texian is right about the colts being better this year. These moves by their gm are great. Surround your young Still improving stud QB still on a rookie contract with solid veteran weapons who's contracts won't be around when it's time to pay up luck.

This is a great strategy. It very we'll could put them over the top. They now have more talent than they did last year and Luck has another year experience and playoff experience now. They were one game away from winning the afc last year.

New England is less talented and Brady is another year older. He still looks really good but at his age you never know when things will start to turn. Other than NE who can outgun Indy? Denver? I'm not seeing manning holding up for an entire year and through the playoffs. No one else in the afc has made any real significant improvements.
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I guess if I were to look for positives out of these moves the Colts made, then I'm glad they got Gore and not Murray.

But in either case, their team got better.
 
Marshall said:
Restructure permits you to CUT NOW or Pay up front for NEXT SEASON, Salary which, though not guaranteed, is very likely to be paid anyway if you haven't chosen to cut the player.

The problem is in restructuring a player who gets injured and cannot perform or was too likely to begin or continue declining production.

Restructuring, like any tool, can be done well or poorly with a little luck thrown in to skew any result.
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Restructuring is borrowing money from FUTURE YEARS pure and simple. And when you have $5mil less to spend this year because you spent it last year it puts you at a disadvantage.

RESTRUCTURING CONTRACTS = POOR SALARY CAP MANAGEMENT
 
Texian said:
Restructuring is borrowing money from FUTURE YEARS pure and simple. And when you have $5mil less to spend this year because you spent it last year it puts you at a disadvantage.

RESTRUCTURING CONTRACTS = POOR SALARY CAP MANAGEMENT
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It doesn't become more true if you capitalize and bold it.

It's a tool. You yourself explained how it works, yet you don't seem to be able to comprehend that it doesn't always put you at a disadvantage.

Misusing, overusing, or using restructures with the wrong players, at the wrong time puts you at a disadvantage. If you do it right, it gives you cap flexibility in a given year. If you need it.
 
So forgive me if the answer is staring me in the face but what are the Texans sitting on right now following these moves? Do we still have some scratch to play with beyond the $5 million or so that goes to draft picks?
 
Hervoyel said:
So forgive me if the answer is staring me in the face but what are the Texans sitting on right now following these moves? Do we still have some scratch to play with beyond the $5 million or so that goes to draft picks?
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Overthecap.com has them with $15.8MM left, but I don't think they have Rahim Moore's contract accounted for.
 
Hervoyel said:
So forgive me if the answer is staring me in the face but what are the Texans sitting on right now following these moves? Do we still have some scratch to play with beyond the $5 million or so that goes to draft picks?
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Spotrac using top 51 which is standard this time of year has us at $8.9 mil after leaving $5.4 mil for draft picks.

Raheem Moore is included.
 
paycheck71 said:
It doesn't become more true if you capitalize and bold it.

It's a tool. You yourself explained how it works, yet you don't seem to be able to comprehend that it doesn't always put you at a disadvantage.

Misusing, overusing, or using restructures with the wrong players, at the wrong time puts you at a disadvantage. If you do it right, it gives you cap flexibility in a given year. If you need it.
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There is NO ADVANTAGE to OVER SPENDING!

If I were to guess I would say you always have a monthly credit card balance and you pay the at least the minimum plus interest. The difference between you and me is I always pay the balance due in full.
 
infantrycak said:
The $3.582 is with ALL active contracts which is not generally the way it is done this time of year.

The $8.961 is top 51 and AFTER the rookie pool has been taken out.
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It reads this way...

Cap Space (w/Top 51 & Projected Draft Pool) $3,582,617
Cap Space (w/Top 51) $8,961,993
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...so I'm confused if we still have 8.961 w/ Top 51 & Rookie Pool.
 
Texian said:
There is NO ADVANTAGE to OVER SPENDING!
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If I can figure out a way to raise my cap limit from $130M to $140M when everybody is working with $130, when would I do it, knowing that I have to borrow it from the future?

There is really only one instance that I would do that.

If it gives me a legitimate chance at a championship by adding a player/players with the freed up cap space and if the player I'm restructuring has a reasonable chance to play out his contract.

That's the main point of my disagreement with you.
 
disaacks3 said:
It reads this way...

...so I'm confused if we still have 8.961 w/ Top 51 & Rookie Pool.
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Weird - mine reads differently.

Adjusted Salary Cap $146,025,746
Top 51 Contracts $126,515,577
Draft Pool Money $5,379,376
Dead Money $10,548,176
Total (w/Top 51) $137,063,753
Cap Space (w/Top 51) $8,961,993
 
paycheck71 said:
If I can figure out a way to raise my cap limit from $130M to $140M when everybody is working with $130, when would I do it, knowing that I have to borrow it from the future?

There is really only one instance that I would do that.

If it gives me a legitimate chance at a championship by adding a player/players with the freed up cap space and if the player I'm restructuring has a reasonable chance to play out his contract.

That's the main point of my disagreement with you.
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As it relates directly to the Houston Texans and the conversation we're having here, the Houston Texans are not one player away or do they a legitimate chance at a championship. Therefore for the Texans to restructure contracts in 2015 would be triple double dumb.
 
Texian said:
As it relates directly to the Houston Texans and the conversation we're having here, the Houston Texans are not one player away or do they a legitimate chance at a championship. Therefore for the Texans to restructure contracts in 2015 would be triple double dumb.
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No, I was replying to your super bolded and capitalized general statement, not a specific Texans restructure.
 
disaacks3 said:
It reads this way...



...so I'm confused if we still have 8.961 w/ Top 51 & Rookie Pool.
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Folks make the salary cap way to complicated in the off season. Today the Adjusted Salary Cap is $146,025,746. In September when the actual season starts the Adjusted Salary Cap will be $146,025,746.

In September the Texans will have to fit 53 (salaries) contracts and allowances for IR, LTBEs, Grievance and the Practice Squad under the salary cap. Allocate $5M for IR, LTBEs, Grievances and Practice Squad and that leaves you with $141,025,746 to pay 53 players.
 
Texian said:
Folks make the salary cap way to complicated in the off season. Today the Adjusted Salary Cap is $146,025,746. In September when the actual season starts the Adjusted Salary Cap will be $146,025,746.

In September the Texans will have to fit 53 (salaries) contracts and allowances for IR, LTBEs, Grievance and the Practice Squad under the salary cap. Allocate $5M for IR, LTBEs, Grievances and Practice Squad and that leaves you with $141,025,746 to pay 53 players.
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We all understood that part.
 
infantrycak said:
Weird - mine reads differently.

Adjusted Salary Cap $146,025,746
Top 51 Contracts $126,515,577
Draft Pool Money $5,379,376
Dead Money $10,548,176
Total (w/Top 51) $137,063,753
Cap Space (w/Top 51) $8,961,993
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If you take the Adjusted Salary Cap and subtract the Top 51, Draft Pool Money, and Dead Money, you are left with $3,582,617.
 
Texian said:
Restructuring is borrowing money from FUTURE YEARS pure and simple. And when you have $5mil less to spend this year because you spent it last year it puts you at a disadvantage.

RESTRUCTURING CONTRACTS = POOR SALARY CAP MANAGEMENT
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Sorry. It just isn't true. It's like any tool. You can make it work for you or work against you. It's not ALWAYS against you.
 
Spotrac also has incorrect information listed for: Kareem Jackson, Ryan Mallett, and Will Yeatman (their roster bonus charge today is incorrect).
 
If needed, could they not make AJ ($7.32) and Myers ($ 2) June 1 and push about half ($4.5) to 2016 and use the other $4.7 for a FA now? We are not out of money yet if a player or two or ? improves us.
 
JB said:
AJ is better than Wayne was last year

Gore is way better than Richardson


They have better talent now, we'll see if they're a better team
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True, they have definitely improved their team.

Which means they lose 45-28 in the AFC Championship game instead of 45-7. ;)
 
badboy said:
If needed, could they not make AJ ($7.32) and Myers ($ 2) June 1 and push about half ($4.5) to 2016 and use the other $4.7 for a FA now? We are not out of money yet if a player or two or ? improves us.
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Not sure what the procedure for actually declaring someone June 1 cut is (can you go back and declare AJ or not?), but you definitely can't use the money it frees until Jun 1.
 
paycheck71 said:
Not sure what the procedure for actually declaring someone June 1 cut is (can you go back and declare AJ or not?), but you definitely can't use the money it frees until Jun 1.
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The league allows each team to designate up to two players per year as a June 1 cut for cap purposes prior to June 1. It’s the one concession that was given to the players as it allows a player to be cut in March and have time to explore free agency but have his cap hit spread out over two seasons, thus creating more cap space in the current year. The issue though is the mechanism by which this works.

When you designate someone as a June 1 cut the player and his current contract remain on the books until June 1.
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http://overthecap.com/explaining-the-june-1st-designation/

All we have to do is have a verbal agreement with FA he will be signed June 2nd. IIRC we did this 2-3 years ago and I want to say it was defensive player.
 
badboy said:
If needed, could they not make AJ ($7.32) and Myers ($ 2) June 1 and push about half ($4.5) to 2016 and use the other $4.7 for a FA now? We are not out of money yet if a player or two or ? improves us.
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Why? In a year you know your not going to be competing for the playoffs and are actually rebuilding, why on Earth would you want to push dead money in to future years were you will be be more competitive? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!
 
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