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b0ng said:
I find it dubious that you were optimistic at any point in the past few years honestly.

Anyways, Infantrycak has already raked you, steelb and other fans of the word "cheapskate" over the coals in numerous other threads, since he's not here right now I guess you guys should have your fun.

What do you guys think about DRob going to the Falcons for 6 years. Think he'll put up any better numbers in one of the only secondaries that was actually worse than ours?
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DRob makes the Falcons better, but I guarantee they overpaid for him.
 
WolverineFan said:
This is the thing that gets me. How in the the hell does anyone know that we weren't after Taylor??? His first visit was to Chicago so I would theorize that they were obviously his top choice. Apparently he was happy enough with their "mediocre" offer that he signed within hours.

It's a no-win situation for McNair and the FO. When they go out and get top FA's (Wade, Weaver, Robaire Smith, etc.) those guys don't pan out and the fans complain while we have to eat those contracts. Then we don't sign anyone and everyone complains that they don't care about winning and are just greedy money grubbers.
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It's the obvious catch-22. No less than 5 or 6 years ago we were wallowing in cap hell due to bad (but generous) FA signings and people were upset. Now the opposite is happening and people are upset.
 
The middle of the Texans OL

Studdard Myers Smith

Can you say CHAMPIONSHIP

God I hope the draft some competent interior OL in the draft. Othewise next year will be SOS or worse. IMHO
 
awtysst said:
Sure we need them, but look at whats available. We may sign OG Smith. I have shown in this thread how that would be a solid unsexy signing. Smith was a solid OG last year so he can slide into Studdard's spot. That right there is a big upgrade.
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Should be interesting to see if he is given the opportunity to compete for a starting spot or if he is an interior swing guy. If the website you are basing this info off of is accurate we should all hope the rumors about our interest in Stephen Neal are accurate. He graded out as the #2 guard last season and has been impressive for the last three.
 
steelbtexan said:
The middle of the Texans OL

Studdard Myers Smith

Can you say CHAMPIONSHIP

God I hope the draft some competent interior OL in the draft. Othewise next year will be SOS or worse. IMHO
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No, no. I think if Smith were signed, he replaces Studdard. So it would be:

Smith Myers Caldwell.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
Should be interesting to see if he is given the opportunity to compete for a starting spot or if he is an interior swing guy. If the website you are basing this info off of is accurate we should all hope the rumors about our interest in Stephen Neal are accurate. He graded out as the #2 guard last season and has been impressive for the last three.
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Yep. I would not mind signing him as well. Then you can put Smith and Neal at the OGs, put Caldwell at C and keep the OTs

Brown Smith Caldwell Neal Winston

That is not a bad line at all.
 
WolverineFan said:
With Brisiel and White as quality backups and Studdard in the mix too. That's a solid, though not great, interior line.
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Yup, that would be a solid line. It would enable us to take the best FS/CB/DT in the first 2 rounds and then get a solid rb in the 3rd to compliment Foster.
 
I thought Neal was a LG? Either way, the Pats just did a deal with Wilfork, so I think they might be letting Neal go. At least I hope they are.
 
awtysst said:
Yep. I would not mind signing him as well. Then you can put Smith and Neal at the OGs, put Caldwell at C and keep the OTs

Brown Smith Caldwell Neal Winston

That is not a bad line at all.
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Still don't think we have a good shot at Neal. I expect him to re-sign with NE.
 
Texan_Bill said:
Bottom Line for me (because I'm a business guy): I would rather suffer from medicore football than to suffer from NO football...
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McNairs counting on guys like you.

It appears that most Texan fans agree with you.

Which is sad because Texan fans are the best in the world. We deserve better regardless which side of the isle your sitting on.
 
b0ng said:
I thought Neal was a LG? Either way, the Pats just did a deal with Wilfork, so I think they might be letting Neal go. At least I hope they are.
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Nope. Neal played RG to Logan Mankins LG. He could probably play either side though.
 
gary said:
Appearently health is a concern with Wade.
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You may be thinking of Neal. He has had some injuries over the past 3 years and had thought about retiring.

Walter Football says the following about Neal, "Stephen Neal can still get it done - when he's actually in the lineup. Neal has missed 17 games the last three years and has hinted toward retirement."
 
awtysst said:
You may be thinking of Neal. He has had some injuries over the past 3 years and had thought about retiring.

Walter Football says the following about Neal, "Stephen Neal can still get it done - when he's actually in the lineup. Neal has missed 17 games the last three years and has hinted toward retirement."
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I thought I read somewhere that he was pondering retirement so he could pursue a MMA career.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As long as Houston has Meyers in the middle, next year it will look like Rome with McNair at the fiddle.:roast:
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Well, I don't think Myers would be a long term solution at C. By adding Smith, it means we don't need to draft a Guard in the draft, but it does not mean we wouldn't draft a center. For example, JD Walton the Baylor Center may be available in the third round and he could really push Myers.
 
Now that I know Neal is off the board I wouldn't mind grabbing Smith. We need a solid veteran presence on the interior OL and he could provide it. Plus he's better than what we've already got at OG. It would push guard down the list of needs in the draft sure, but we all know if we fix the center our guards will look better...

Plus it frees us up to add a ballhawk in the secondary, NT to keep blockers off of our impressive LB core, and/or a feature back ahead of OL help.
 
awtysst said:
Well, I don't think Myers would be a long term solution at C. By adding Smith, it means we don't need to draft a Guard in the draft, but it does not mean we wouldn't draft a center. For example, JD Walton the Baylor Center may be available in the third round and he could really push Myers.
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No way does smith totally rule out a guard pick anywhere in the draft. It might push the need to the position down a little but I would not be surprised at all if the Texans draft one. Especially if they think the talent is there.

Neal being gone does suck indeed, and I think we see a few more linemen come in over the course of the free agency season.
 
At the end of this day, we've only lost 1 of three starters that some folks were whininng about....That being Dumbass, errrrr Dunta, which I'm okay with. (yay, go Flacons - :gun:) and of course we kept Kevins Walter.

Maybe it's a chance we sign Pitts. :shrug:
 
CB Richard Marshall would be a great improvement replacement for Dunta (tendered as only a #2)............and eliminate a significant draft need.
 
Texan_Bill said:
:cry2: I'm missing Second Honeymoon on this Friday night.... :cry2:

:cool:
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missed you too. glad to see that they re-signed Walter. once you let a guy go out and look around, its rare when you get them to come back.

the boldin trade really helped out by taking Ravens out of hte Walter sweepstakes. now teams will have to pick through the remains like TO, Coles, or give up draft pick for Marshall.

Now they have only lost 2 starters, so hopefully they can do something else and bring some new talent in. It looks like they might be angling for a player that can play both G and C so that may be a good thing. They lost out on the Neal sweepstakes but with the Patriots losing out on Peppers, they weren't going to let Neal go after that.

Little League season starts today...time to call balls and strikes. Most years I am looking forward to it but not this year. I want to sleep all day.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Now they have only lost 2 starters
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Let's try to be a little realistic. First Pitts isn't lost yet. Second he only started 2 games last year so in terms of improving from last year he really isn't a subtraction. I'd like to have him back but pounding the they lost 2 starters drum (formerly known as "I know they have lost 3 starters" drum) looks silly. In terms of folks who were starters for the majority of last season they have lost (actually chosen to get rid of) one starter.
 
infantrycak said:
Let's try to be a little realistic. First Pitts isn't lost yet. Second he only started 2 games last year so in terms of improving from last year he really isn't a subtraction. I'd like to have him back but pounding the they lost 2 starters drum (formerly known as "I know they have lost 3 starters" drum) looks silly. In terms of folks who were starters for the majority of last season they have lost (actually chosen to get rid of) one starter.
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wrong icak. they have lost 2 starters from last years roster however you cut it. studdard was a replacement for Pitts the 'starter'.

i appreciate your candor in stating that you would like to get Pitts back, because so would I, but trying to act like he isn't a starter is revisionist. Could they lure him back? sure, and the longer the Texans go without addressing the Guard position in Free Agency and the longer Pitts goes unsigned, the better the chance.

As of now they have lost 2 starters. As of yesterday they had lost 3 starters. They managed to lure one back onto the team and they get kudos for that, but I am not going to act like Pitts isn't a starter. Even Kubiak himself spoke about getting Pitts back as their starter in his post season presser. That was why I was so taken aback when they let him test the UFA waters. Yes, Dunta they chose to get rid of but he was the best corner in this market and was obviously worth enough for a playoff contending team, Atlanta, to break open the bank for him. It is obvious that Dunta burned his bridges here but he was a starter and our best corner at the end of the day.

they had lost 3 starters. they got one back. now they have lost 2 starters. could they get Pitts back and make it where they only end up losing 1 starter? Sure and I hope that is the case but to act like we haven't lost anything is a disservice to the years and quality play that Dunta and Pitts put in here. It's your right, but I think its kinda narrow minded.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
i appreciate your candor in stating that you would like to get Pitts back, because so would I, but trying to act like he isn't a starter is revisionist.
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Revisionist would be you acting like Pitts leaving last year's team is losing a starter. He started 2 games and finished 1. Would we have been better off with him starting last year? - IMO absolutely yes. But he wasn't a starter last year. In terms of improvement from last year Pitts doesn't count as a starter because he didn't start last year. No different than Eugene Wilson. Those two play last year and we probably make the playoffs but they didn't so in looking forward getting them back is a plus v. losing them is the same as what we had.

Oh and they have way, way more knowledge on the medical issues than we do. Microfracture surgery is a desperate move. We don't know if Pitts will ever be the player we both liked again.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
wrong icak. they have lost 2 starters from last years roster however you cut it. studdard was a replacement for Pitts the 'starter'.

i appreciate your candor in stating that you would like to get Pitts back, because so would I, but trying to act like he isn't a starter is revisionist. Could they lure him back? sure, and the longer the Texans go without addressing the Guard position in Free Agency and the longer Pitts goes unsigned, the better the chance.

As of now they have lost 2 starters. As of yesterday they had lost 3 starters. They managed to lure one back onto the team and they get kudos for that, but I am not going to act like Pitts isn't a starter. Even Kubiak himself spoke about getting Pitts back as their starter in his post season presser. That was why I was so taken aback when they let him test the UFA waters. Yes, Dunta they chose to get rid of but he was the best corner in this market and was obviously worth enough for a playoff contending team, Atlanta, to break open the bank for him. It is obvious that Dunta burned his bridges here but he was a starter and our best corner at the end of the day.

they had lost 3 starters. they got one back. now they have lost 2 starters. could they get Pitts back and make it where they only end up losing 1 starter? Sure and I hope that is the case but to act like we haven't lost anything is a disservice to the years and quality play that Dunta and Pitts put in here. It's your right, but I think its kinda narrow minded.
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The problem with that is that last year's performances on the feild for both Pitss and Dunta were no where near as good as pervious years, espically Robinson. I understand Pitts was injured but that has to be taken into account. Under the current rules rewarding past performance is a surefire quick way to ruin a team.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
The problem with that is that last year's performances on the feild for both Pitss and Dunta were no where near as good as pervious years, espically Robinson. I understand Pitts was injured but that has to be taken into account. Under the current rules rewarding past performance is a surefire quick way to ruin a team.
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Dunta wasn't as bad as people are stating and his Atlanta contract tells you that the rest of the league wasn't so down on Dunta as some of the people. Face it, the reason Dunta was let go is because of his attitude not his play on the field. He made it personal and Rick sent him packing.

as for Pitts, he was playing well and got injured. He was our starter and before last season was probably viewed as our #1 or #2 OL at worst behind Winston. thus i will call him a starter because aside from the injury he would have been our starter and even Kubiak was looking forward to getting him back in the starting lineup based on his post season presser.

anywho, i just want the team to improve and am worried about us taking steps back like we did in 2005 postseason. i'll be back later but I gotta prepare myself for umpiring...parents are brutal nowadays...who wants to get thrown out? you the little lady in the purple dress yelling hatespeak at me? hit the showers old lady.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Dunta wasn't as bad as people are stating and his Atlanta contract tells you that the rest of the league wasn't so down on Dunta as some of the people. Face it, the reason Dunta was let go is because of his attitude not his play on the field. He made it personal and Rick sent him packing.

as for Pitts, he was playing well and got injured. He was our starter and before last season was probably viewed as our #1 or #2 OL at worst behind Winston. thus i will call him a starter because aside from the injury he would have been our starter and even Kubiak was looking forward to getting him back in the starting lineup based on his post season presser.

anywho, i just want the team to improve and am worried about us taking steps back like we did in 2005 postseason. i'll be back later but I gotta prepare myself for umpiring...parents are brutal nowadays...who wants to get thrown out? you the little lady in the purple dress yelling hatespeak at me? hit the showers old lady.
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Actually, only Atlanta was not as down on Dunta. They signed him, not the rest of the league.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Dunta wasn't as bad as people are stating and his Atlanta contract tells you that the rest of the league wasn't so down on Dunta as some of the people. Face it, the reason Dunta was let go is because of his attitude not his play on the field. He made it personal and Rick sent him packing.

as for Pitts, he was playing well and got injured. He was our starter and before last season was probably viewed as our #1 or #2 OL at worst behind Winston. thus i will call him a starter because aside from the injury he would have been our starter and even Kubiak was looking forward to getting him back in the starting lineup based on his post season presser.

anywho, i just want the team to improve and am worried about us taking steps back like we did in 2005 postseason. i'll be back later but I gotta prepare myself for umpiring...parents are brutal nowadays...who wants to get thrown out? you the little lady in the purple dress yelling hatespeak at me? hit the showers old lady.
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Dunta is gone because he thought he could get a monster contract. He was right! There is nothing a team can do sometimes. We sure shouldn't have paid him this kind of money.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
CB Richard Marshall would be a great improvement replacement for Dunta (tendered as only a #2)............and eliminate a significant draft need.
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I'm on this bandwagon. Haden won't be available at #20 and the rest of the CB crop is supposed to be not worthy of pick #20. Why not attempt to pickup a proven CB? Marshall's contract was supposed to be the basis for Robinson's before he turned it down.
 
dalemurphy said:
Dunta is gone because he thought he could get a monster contract. He was right! There is nothing a team can do sometimes. We sure shouldn't have paid him this kind of money.
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Yep, the market is not always right. Time will tell on this one, but the risk is pretty steep for the Falcons.

What becomes a positive for the Texans is that the Falcons just crossed off CB as a need at the 19th most likely. FTW!
 
dalemurphy said:
Dunta is gone because he thought he could get a monster contract. He was right! There is nothing a team can do sometimes. We sure shouldn't have paid him this kind of money.
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we didn't have to. we could have tendered him franchise in an uncapped year with no risk in a post-2010 NFL unknown frontier. that would have been the smart and competitive move....then you could have maybe even packaged him in a trade...but nahhhh, just let him walk for nothing. it had become personal and that isn't a good way to run your business much less a football organization. didn't we learn anything from making it personal with Carr. Ownership and management got so attached they couldn't see the suckitude that was his career and play.

we chose to lose our #1 corner and save $ at the end of the day.
 
rmartin65 said:
For what its worth, I only ever saw Atlanta's name in the mix, and I read somewhere that he was negotiating exclusively with them.
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seattle, cleveland, tampa bay, and pittsburgh had each had reported interest. the early favorite was tampa bay reportedly.

remember that 1/4 of the league couldn't even contact him at all due to playoff FA restrictions.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
we didn't have to. we could have tendered him franchise in an uncapped year with no risk in a post-2010 NFL unknown frontier. that would have been the smart and competitive move....then you could have maybe even packaged him in a trade...but nahhhh, just let him walk for nothing. it had become personal and that isn't a good way to run your business much less a football organization. didn't we learn anything from making it personal with Carr. Ownership and management got so attached they couldn't see the suckitude that was his career and play.

we chose to lose our #1 corner and save $ at the end of the day.
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It would've been $12 million to franchise him this year. That's awfully steep. You are right, though, it could've been done without affecting the cap. However, I'm not going to freak out because McNair doesn't want to overpay Dunta by that much. I have no problem with the Texans working within a budget as long as the budget isn't too prohibative.

By the way, the Texans are likely to receive a 3rd round compensatory pick for losing Dunta. So, he didn't get away from them for nothing.
 
dalemurphy said:
It would've been $12 million to franchise him this year. That's awfully steep. You are right, though, it could've been done without affecting the cap. However, I'm not going to freak out because McNair doesn't want to overpay Dunta by that much. I have no problem with the Texans working within a budget as long as the budget isn't too prohibative.

By the way, the Texans are likely to receive a 3rd round compensatory pick for losing Dunta. So, he didn't get away from them for nothing.
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Dunta wanted more money than we were offering. He thought he could get paid more than we were offering and he was right.

If we had paid Dunta that kind of contract (6 years, $57 million, $25.5 millions guaranteed), it would have had an impact on the rest of our negotiations. And when the cap came back, we would have been in bad shape.

If we had franchised Dunta again, then we would have been severely over-paying for him and he would have been a cancer in the locker room. We overpaid him last year and the offer we made him was more than he was worth to begin with.

If I had been running the FO, he would have been gone last year. So I've got no problem with him being gone this year.

(My wife, however, is in the "how could we let him get away" camp. And when she thought KW was gone, she was almost despondent.)
 
Second Honeymoon said:
seattle, cleveland, tampa bay, and pittsburgh had each had reported interest. the early favorite was tampa bay reportedly.

remember that 1/4 of the league couldn't even contact him at all due to playoff FA restrictions.
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You're right. There was interest league wide in him. He's just like so many of them though and he got picked up immediately and made some major money in the process.
 
infantrycak said:
Let's try to be a little realistic. First Pitts isn't lost yet. Second he only started 2 games last year so in terms of improving from last year he really isn't a subtraction. I'd like to have him back but pounding the they lost 2 starters drum (formerly known as "I know they have lost 3 starters" drum) looks silly. In terms of folks who were starters for the majority of last season they have lost (actually chosen to get rid of) one starter.
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Sure he was. He was being paid handsomely to start. This is all about dollars and getting value from contracts. Pitts' was a poor investment for us last year. It happens. Being realistic is looking at his recent contribution and giving him likely a significant pay raise? As you said. Microfracture surgery is pretty extreme. He had a large contract and was expected to be our starter and he wasn't. We paid him anyway. Let's not pretend that his contract being on the books with no play in return didn't affect us as a team last season.

FWIW, I like Chester Pitts. I think he's earned another shot. Thing is... he's going to get paid handsomely. It won't be here unless he takes a major discount. He's a good football player and a fan favorite.
 
As far as robinson, i think he's in the same boat as winnfield in buffalo. I think he's a good football player and if he ever gets a consistent pass rush, he will be even better. Going to atlanta his hometown isnt much better imo as far as pass rush. Career wise, he wouldve been better taking less going to minny or someplace like that. They couldve put a transition tag on him or a 2nd rd tender then negotiate from there.

Before free agency i was going to start a thread talking about the buyers market with the restrcited tendered players but got too busy. I think any team that is close, this is the best route vs drafting players. Someone brought up marshall from carolina which would be a excellent pickup and replacement for robinson. I know they wouldnt never do it, but for a 5th rd pick and money for max jean gilles makes alot of sense to help that inside triangle and create a power running side on the left or right.Howard from the raiders as a will backer also makes alot of sense for a 2nd rd pick.
 
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