So you're worried about INTs from the QB who had the lowest INT % in 2013 of the QBs in the draft? Does that make sense to you? OK.
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Teddy Bridgewater
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kingtexan
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Not sure I would take him there. Rather take another position player (OL, LB, DB) then take a QB in the third or fourth. Just don't see any QB's n this draft to really get excited about, unless JFF falls to 33 then I would take the chance on him, but that wont happen.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Here is how this works, I believe what I see. I try not to make excuses for what my eyes and ears all telling me. I do understand that college, the conference and level of competition that Bridgewater performed against is not the NFL. Yes I am worried as what I saw in some passes over 30 yards from Teddy, is what I term floaters. Yes, I saw enough "Floaters" from Teddy to make me uncomfortable and "worried."
There were several comments from those who attended Teddy's Pro Day, that when the ball left Teddy's hand, it lacked velocity, along with questionable accuracy. These are my observations and opinions. I am not a Teddy Bridgewater hater. Although I do get a lot of abuse for my opinions from many of Teddy's fans. There is absolutely no confusion whatsoever that you and I differ completely in our evaluations of Teddy.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
I agree, at this juncture I think when all is said and done that Mettzenberger, Murray, McCarron and Fales will outperform Bridgewater as NFL QBs. With that said I still think that Bortles is and will be the Top QB in this draft class. Last I checked the Houston Texans reasons for failure and collapse in 2013 was directly related to the play from their QB position.
Texian
Hall of Fame
First it was Ex GM Dominik, you can now add Phil Savage to that list of Ex GMs who says Teddy is falling.
Bridgewater not highly thought of in league circles, ex-GM says
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...highly-thought-of-in-league-circles-exgm-says
Bridgewater not highly thought of in league circles, ex-GM says
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...highly-thought-of-in-league-circles-exgm-says
kingtexan
All Pro
Therein lies the problem. Its like being the skinniest fat kid ... Doesn't mean much.
Being the top of a QB class like this one looks on paper is no more than having the best chance at being a back-up in the league for a while. None of the QB's have "NFL Starter" written all over them. Bortles is the consensus top prospect, while JFF may have the best chance of turning into a real star player. If I am the Texans I go BPA for the first three rounds and then start filling need, including QB. May hit the jackpot with a Metz or a Savage.
You better pick Savage or Mett at 2-1, or trade back into the 2nd rd because I've got a feeling that both will be gone by 3-1.
Savage got a green room invite. He may go in the bottom of the 1st.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Here is where we differentiate in our evaluations of Bortles. I put much more stock in Bortles (6) 2nd half come from behind victories and his 4 GAME WINNING DRIVES than most. My evaluation is also based on Bill Walsh and Bill Belichicks evaluation of Joe Montana and Tom Brady. Walsh and Belichick both said the reasons for drafting Montana and Brady was their ability to remain cool, calm and collected and deliver a WIN at the end of the game. Bortles ability to come from behind compares very favorable Montana and Brady when they were at Notre Dame and Michigan. Plus the fact that Walsh and Belichick said that Montana and Brady just won, they were winners.
Bortles showed that same ability to remain cool, calm and collected and to deliver a win at the games end. I see no reason why Bortles cannot do the same in NFL. And all Bortles did was win, he took UCF to heights they had never been before. In much the same way RGIII took Baylor to places they had never been.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
NFLN is looking for that prospect they can train their cameras on throughout the first round, building the anticipation and emotion only to be let down by leaving Radio City Music Hall undrafted... camerashot of him walking away, alone.
Savage should stay home with family, friends imo.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So many people here gobble up what they are fed. Does anyone know how to play the game? Hide your true intentions by all means.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
The best thing has is his frame. Even with,he doesn't throw like a big guy. He is forceed to throw like a player of his stature. Watch ben,flacco,freeman,and even the kid from last yr, they throw with ease. As u stated with what you've seen with bortles, tell me about all the ints that were dropped. What about the catches the wrs had to make because of inaccurate passes? The same phil savage said the lack of pinpoint accuracy is a huge red flag against bortles. He said it was a red flag when they moved up to get brady quinn in 07,but they thought it was something that could be corrected. Well, it wasn't. Putting the ball on the correct hip or shoulder is very,very, vital as a qb. Now, the qb will get credit for a completgion,but we know there is a huge difference in being accurate vs getting a completion.
Now we have two guys who are no longer GMs because they couldn't find a QB to save their jobs. Dominik whiffed on Freeman. Savage sank with Brady Quinn. On the flipside, you can say they know what a bad QB looks like from up close.
I do think Savage has a point about Bridgewater being not highly though of by NFL personnel guys. As the one anonymous GM stated, Bridgewater does not have the "elite arm, size, or mobility". Though Bridgewater is plenty mobile enough. And that's why guys like Freeman, Gabbert, Locker, etc. continue to be overdrafted. Because they "look" the part of what these NFL execs think a QB should look like. And these teams will continue to be beat by the Drew Brees, Russell Wilsons, Johnny Manziels, and Teddy Bridgewaters. Guys who may not look like NFL QBs. But know the game and can make plays.
Well, that`s really the question here. What do you trust? Can you really take a QB #1 that doesn`t have elite arm strength, speed and mechanics? One that has a small frame? Gametape? Well guys that played good in college often fail with the pros.
What I think is you do is look at the factors that lead to QBs failing in the league. First the motivation needs to be there. You need to be able to live with pressure. You need to understand the game and be able to process a ton of information in short time so you can make quick decisions. And you need to get the ball to where it needs to be fast.
With Bridgewater I believe he excells in most of these areas. He may have a problem with putting enough zip on the balls and he does have a problem with long ball accuracy. The first one is crucial, you could live with the second one.
I believe in Bridgewater - but with his stock falling I believe we should go with bpa and maybe trade up to get one of the 3 QBs that is falling on draft day.
What I think is you do is look at the factors that lead to QBs failing in the league. First the motivation needs to be there. You need to be able to live with pressure. You need to understand the game and be able to process a ton of information in short time so you can make quick decisions. And you need to get the ball to where it needs to be fast.
With Bridgewater I believe he excells in most of these areas. He may have a problem with putting enough zip on the balls and he does have a problem with long ball accuracy. The first one is crucial, you could live with the second one.
I believe in Bridgewater - but with his stock falling I believe we should go with bpa and maybe trade up to get one of the 3 QBs that is falling on draft day.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
If I had a draft dream for 2014 it would be to take Clowney and then trade back into the first round and get the guy they wanted. In most cases the guy you want isn't there because someone else sees what you see in "your guy" and you are left with Geno Smith. Speaking of Geno Smith, the guy that didn't get much hype in last year's draft (E. J. Manuel) sure looks like the more promising QB.
https://twitter.com/TexansTalk/status/457937572774162432
On the one hand, we've got people saying that our best chance to find a franchise QB is in the first round, & that sometimes you've got to gamble on one.
Then on the other hand, we've got people saying we don't always need to take the prototypical guy.
If you look at the stats... something like 40% of your NFL starters come out of the first round, that tells me the prototypical guys are more likely to pan out. I'm sure if someone was willing to do the research, they'll find the guys with decent to weak arms, under 6'3", coming out of small schools, etc, etc... are more likely to be drafted after the first round & therefore less likely to succeed.
History has shown that the deck is stacked against guys like Bridgewater. Maybe he'll succeed, since he was calling the offense at Louisville. But chances are you can call the wrong play, or misread the coverage against UCF & still run your play successfully.
Texian
Hall of Fame
If you're in dire straits in a need for a QB and you pass on the 1st RD QBs, doesn't it become much harder to find a better QB in RD 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 & 7?
My 4 Concerns about Teddy Bridgewater
1. Arm strength, IMHO passes over 30+ yards have a tendency to become floaters.
2. Skinny - According to Greg Cosell who I have the highest respect, says TB played most of 2013 at 188 lbs.
3. Mobility
4. Reports from Pro Day, velocity less than expected coming out of TBs hand.
Side note to your, Running the Play Successfully, Teddy also played behind the #1 Defense in College.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
From 1980 to 2010:
1st round: 66 QBs selected. Only 8 didn't start at least 1 season. 10 started only 1 season. This group represent 94 total pro bowl berths.
2nd round: 31 QBs selected. 11 didn't start at least 1 season. 5 only started 1 season. They represent 31 pro bowl berths and include Bret Favre, Drew Brees, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason.
3rd round: 36 QBs selected. 19 never started a season. 5 only started 1. Only 9 pro bowls in this group which includes Chris Chandler, Matt Schaub, Jay Schroeder, Neil O'Donnell, Jeff Hostetler, and Brian Griese.
4th round: 48 QBs selected. 34 never started a season. 4 only started 1. Only 6 pro bowls in this group which includes Rich Gannon, Steve Beuerlein, Aaron Brooks and David Garrard.
5th round: 32 QBs selected. 26 never started a season. 2 only started 1. Only 1 guy started more than 2 and that was Mark Brunell who also accounts for the 3 pro bowls of this group.
6th round: 60 QBs selected. 42 never started a season. 6 only started 1. But there were an amazing number of multi year starters in this group. There were 19 pro bowl seasons headed by (of course) Tom Brady but also including Matt Hasselbeck, Jeff Blake, Marc Bulger, Mark Rypien, Stan Humphries, Rodney Peete, Steve Bono, John Friesz and Derek Anderson.
7th round: 51 QBs selected. 46 never started a season. 3 only started 1. Matt Cassel and Gus Frerotte went to Pro Bowls and along with Ryan Fitzpatrick are the only multi-year starters.
8th round+: 97 QBs selected. Most of these guys of course, never saw anything. But there were some successful QBs in this group including Trent Green, Wade Wilson, Elvis Grbac, Brad Johnson, Doug Flutie, and Don Majkowski. 8 pro bowl berths.
1st round: 66 QBs selected. Only 8 didn't start at least 1 season. 10 started only 1 season. This group represent 94 total pro bowl berths.
2nd round: 31 QBs selected. 11 didn't start at least 1 season. 5 only started 1 season. They represent 31 pro bowl berths and include Bret Favre, Drew Brees, Randall Cunningham, Boomer Esiason.
3rd round: 36 QBs selected. 19 never started a season. 5 only started 1. Only 9 pro bowls in this group which includes Chris Chandler, Matt Schaub, Jay Schroeder, Neil O'Donnell, Jeff Hostetler, and Brian Griese.
4th round: 48 QBs selected. 34 never started a season. 4 only started 1. Only 6 pro bowls in this group which includes Rich Gannon, Steve Beuerlein, Aaron Brooks and David Garrard.
5th round: 32 QBs selected. 26 never started a season. 2 only started 1. Only 1 guy started more than 2 and that was Mark Brunell who also accounts for the 3 pro bowls of this group.
6th round: 60 QBs selected. 42 never started a season. 6 only started 1. But there were an amazing number of multi year starters in this group. There were 19 pro bowl seasons headed by (of course) Tom Brady but also including Matt Hasselbeck, Jeff Blake, Marc Bulger, Mark Rypien, Stan Humphries, Rodney Peete, Steve Bono, John Friesz and Derek Anderson.
7th round: 51 QBs selected. 46 never started a season. 3 only started 1. Matt Cassel and Gus Frerotte went to Pro Bowls and along with Ryan Fitzpatrick are the only multi-year starters.
8th round+: 97 QBs selected. Most of these guys of course, never saw anything. But there were some successful QBs in this group including Trent Green, Wade Wilson, Elvis Grbac, Brad Johnson, Doug Flutie, and Don Majkowski. 8 pro bowl berths.
kingtexan
All Pro
Many of us have played the game at different levels, and for the sake of this thread some have even played the position. I would venture to guess that not many if any have played it at a professional level, but still the fundamental knowledge of the sport can be there. Having played the game does help one diagnose what they see when doing personal scouting by watching what a player looked like in past games. It also helps to not buy into inflated stats, and give the player a true eye test before making a decision on their abilities or lack thereof.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
So what your saying is we need to draft a QB in the 1st or 6th round?
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
With our QB situation, I think we need to draft one in both and cross our fingers.
TexansFTW
Veteran
Well if you're not a hater you sure don't hide it very well.
Every article that has a failed GM or 75 year old scout that can't see past 6'5 230 criticizing TB, you are the first to throw down here.
I kind of feel that you just come in here with your ladle just to stir the pot, but then you throw your arms in the air like it wasn't you after you're called on it.
Be real with yourself, your guy is Bortles and there is nothing wrong with that. You do however, hate everyone that opposes him as a potential pick and you will attempt to sabotage everyone else to build your guy up. Your guy is good, but not good enough so his game tape speaks for itself. That's a red flag when you should know you don't have the winner you believe... when you have to attack others to build your guy up.
I learned something in life a while back... never punch down. If you're better than someone and you know it, you don't go out of your way to fight them. You walk away in a shrouded arrogance letting them know they never had a chance.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Just because I have 4 real concerns about Teddy doesn't make me a hater. No doubt having 4 concerns does make me a hater in the eyes of the Teddybots. It's a clear case of let's shoot the messenger. It's just possible that I might be right as Teddy does appear to be sliding, possibly to the 2nd RD. Kind of like Geno Smith last year. Maybe someone agrees with me?
I don't attack others for their negative views of Bortles. I have on occasion presented a counter point to their argument but attack? No! Again, I understand how the Teddybots could think of it as an attack. It's another case of, Let's shoot the messenger, AGAIN!
FYI - I'm not attacking you. I'm engaging you in an entertaining debate.
revan
Waterboy
Teddy is falling on draft boards and no real reason why.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/4/21/5634662/2014-nfl-draft-teddy-bridgewater-falling
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/4/21/5634662/2014-nfl-draft-teddy-bridgewater-falling
amazing80
Hall of Fame
The problem is only one of your concerns are actually legit. And even that is not as big a deal people are making it out to be.
1. His zip is not elite, but he has enough mustard to throw in tight windows and down field.
2. His playing weight was low because he was sick or had some procedure done and lost weight. I don't think he will play as a rookie bigger than 205-210, but a full off-season in the nfl and I could see him at 215-220
3. He is plenty mobile. A 4.78 is no statue. He is not an RG3 burner, but has enough speed to make guys pay for turning their backs to him.
4. His pro day was good, but not great. His velocity was above average, but we've already discussed that this is his ONLY real legit concern and its being completely overblown. His accuracy at his pro day was great, but not perfect, which apparently needed to be for him. Every other pro day in the history of pro days can include a few off passes, but not Teddys.
I still think TB is worth the first overall pick. I hope we take him.
Texian
Hall of Fame
^^^response = bold^^^
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Goatcheese
Texan
He's talking about the draft game and the misinformation associated with the build up to the draft.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
See, we can debate players as long as we're being honest. When texian says his concerns are mobiliy,when tb has the best pocket pressence and poise of any of the qbs,then we're not being honest. Yet we know he's a bortles guy and that's cool,but he won't name 2 things he doesn't like. He won't bring up the funbles,the lack of elite arm talent, or the accuracy/decision making when describing bortles. The best thing people say about bortles is he's prototypical in size. Texian always brings up the combacks,but he omits the ints or fumbles that led to the comebacks. Its not like he had manziels defense either. Teddy didn't have storm johnson neither. Just be honest.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Clearly you've not watched much Bortles/UCF tape. If you had then you would know that Storm Johnson FUMBLES probably more than any RB in this draft. Other things you don't know about Storm, he transfered from 2A Buford High School to Lawrenceville High School because he wasn't going to be the #1 RB. He was still recruited by and signed with Miami. He transferred from Miami to UCF because, you guessed it, he wan't going to be the #1 RB at Miami. Oh, and his pass pro is severely lacking. It is my recommendation that the Texans pass on Storm Johnson. I can't be any more honest than that.
Pocket presence and poise have little to do with Mobility. It's when the pocket collapses and the poise breaks down when Mobility is important and I stand by comments, you don't see a lot of that in Teddy's game tapes.
and then there is this.... http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2328092&postcount=1155
and sincerely and most honestly I most likely had more positive comments about Johnny Manziel than any of the Teddybots. Next to Bortles JFF would be my #2 QB pick.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
What do storm johnson recruitment have to do with his production? Pocket,presence,poise,and mobility is tied in. Favre had great mobility even though he didn't run. Navigating the pocket,feeling,climbing,sliding in the pocket is mobility. That's why there is a kazam between manning and schaub in the posket. Once schaub set his feet,his lack of mobilty in the pocket made him a statue under pressure. Maybe I'm giving you too much credt to understand mobility doesn't mean running around.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Try looking at this way. If Storm couldn't be the #1 RB in high school and he couldn't be the #1 RB at the U of Miami what makes you think he can be a #1 RB in the NFL? In addition he fumbles a lot and his pass pro sucks. And one of the main reasons UCF was often playing from behind was directly attributable to the number of Storm Johnson FUMBLES.
and I'm still waiting for your response to: and then there is this.... http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/sho...postcount=1155
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
So, who was the #rb at ucf? So when all those guys like forte,jennings,and choice transferred because they didn't want to sit behind peterson,what did that mean? You make 0 sense when you comment on storm johnson. I guess he didn't run for almost 1200 yds at 5 per clip and 17 tds right? I'm also assuming I didn't see the 2 picks bortles threw against that bad baylor defense right? Nor did I see the 3 picks vs the gamecocks the yr prior,right? Nah, it was storm johnson fault?
amazing80
Hall of Fame
His pro day was over blown by half the people their. i can quote people who said his pro day was fine. Its all about agendas with media guys. Why don't you think for yourself (not insulting you, but being real) and watch his pro day and make your own conclusion.
Again, he played at 188 this season because he had a surgery where it required his jaw to be shut for 2 months. He lost a significant amount of weight. He upped his weight after the season and IMO will hover around 205 this season. After that, he can play comfortably at 215-220.
Just because he does not run around in the pocket with his head cut off doesn't make him immobile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XQ5h36c2M8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVbWN6e5nR0
Yup those videos show how slow and sloth like Teddy is. What a scrub.
Again, his velocity is not really a concern, but not a strength. He may not have Mike Vick or Jay Cutler rifles, but how does that work for them? He has brains and accuracy and a "strong enough" arm.
Stop over thinking it people. The guy has been the top pick for 2 seasons now. Don't kid yourself or trick yourself into thinking anyone is better. He is by far the best qb in this class and if we pass on him, I hope the Jags take him and he embarrasses us for the next 15 years.
Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Colin Kaepernick. Does it really matter who's "better" or who's the "best"?
Of those three, the guy last on most people's list has actually won more games. To me it's, "Can I win with this guy?" or "Can this guy lead my team?"
I'm sure Carolina is happy with Newton, I would be. But I wonder if they would have done the same thing if they had a 2nd round pick. But Cincinnati got Aj Green & Andy Dalton. The 9ers got Aldon Smith & Colin Kaepernick.
Imagine if Minnesota took Fairley, Quin, or Pouncey, then got Ponder in the second. Or if the QBs got pushed down & they got Kaepernick. I mean I like Kyle Rudolph, But they could have gotten a much better quality player & still get an "equivalent" QB if not the same QB (in that draft).
I'm not going to argue with anyone who thinks Teddy Bridgewater is the best QB in this draft. That's your prerogative & I'm sure you have ample reasoning to support your position. But I'll argue he is that much better than guys who will be available later.
This!!!! S-E-P-E-R-A-T-I-O-N!!!!!! There is not enough from the first tier to the really large second tier to justify taking a QB first overall. If the best CB in this draft was only slightly better than the next 6 or 7 CB's who you most assumably we will have the opportunity draft later AND there was better far better talent available at other need positions, why would you draft that best CB?
You wouldn't!!! Now throw out the "QB is the most important position" argument. Of course QB is the most important position. That doesn't mean disregard common sense.
revan
Waterboy
Texian
Hall of Fame
I think it best that you and I stop discussing this matter, I can see it's upsetting you.
So I'm a teddy hater?
revan
Waterboy
Bro.............. if you cant laugh at a joke with Doge then I don't know what else to tell ya.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Its not upsetting me, but I wish people would think for themselves and stop following around media driven thoughts. Guys who come out of no where rarely do good. Teddy has been consistent and a winner. He has shown toughness and the drive to do whatever it takes to play for his team. The post season workouts falsely inflate low tier guys and makes guys like Teddy seem irrelevant, when reality is, Teddy is by far the best qb in this draft. He just isn't flashy or outspoken so the media won't hitch their wagons to him.
The guy did NOTHING to hurt his draft he actually played better this season, and he went from a lock as the first pick to possibly dropping out of the first round? Thats ludicrous.
If you prefer Blake fine, its ok to have your opinion. Its just a wrong one. Youll see the error of your ways in time.
Some of us have been against Bridgewater as a #1 overall pick from the get go. A fine QB prospect, but not worthy of the #1 pick. Decent, not great, mechanics. Decent, not great, arm strength. Decent, not great, competition. Decent, not great, leadership.
Everything that's come out since the end of the season has just been verifying what I've always thought. Mid 1st, early 2nd. He might be a quality starter in the NFL. But he's a piece of the puzzle, not the answer.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I do try to and do my own evaluations and avoid the media talking heads and the collective group think as much as possible. I have even stopped following and reading the likes of Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, Matt Miller, Eric Galko, Ryan Lowndes, Todd McShay, etc because IMHO they get so wrong, are so bad, so often. There are however a handful of evaluators I trust such as Mayock and Cosell. Since there is no way I can go to Teddy's Pro Day I do trust what Mike and Greg are telling me. I also know that sitting in the ball park behind home plate, that 92 MPH fastball is much much faster than that 92 MPH fast ball you see on TV.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
Players who "drop" and "rise" do so via the media. I really doubt teams move players up or down much after evaluating all the film. Character or health concerns might move them, but Combines, Pro Days and visits aren't going to move a player far on a teams board.
Mayock has disappointed me this year due to moving players after their Pro Day. He wouldn't do that in the past.
*This isn't directed at the poster. I just wanted to throw my .02 around
TexansFTW
Veteran
1. Revan - hilarious picture
2. Thunder - you make your argument for Collin Kaep, but you gotta understand that Alex Smith was a field goal away from taking that same team to the super bowl the year before. Different level of QB play when all you need to do on the 9ers is not lose the game, here on the Texans you are required to win it.
3. Mussop - We get you, you and Thunder have said this same thing since page 1 of this thread, over 124 pages ago. And every Teddy supporter has said they disagree, and that there is REAL separation between TB and those 2nd round guys.
4. Obviously if the difference between the 2 was non-existent you would love to take the later round guy. This same logic dictates you should often see like 8 QBs making a name for themselves every draft. Yet 4 years later how many of those 8 resign starting QB deals and how many fade into obscurity as journeymen never to have their names called again.
5. If you can take Clowney and TB go for it, I doubt the slide is as big as everyone thinks, only time will tell though.
15 days 4 hours 13 minutes
2. Thunder - you make your argument for Collin Kaep, but you gotta understand that Alex Smith was a field goal away from taking that same team to the super bowl the year before. Different level of QB play when all you need to do on the 9ers is not lose the game, here on the Texans you are required to win it.
3. Mussop - We get you, you and Thunder have said this same thing since page 1 of this thread, over 124 pages ago. And every Teddy supporter has said they disagree, and that there is REAL separation between TB and those 2nd round guys.
4. Obviously if the difference between the 2 was non-existent you would love to take the later round guy. This same logic dictates you should often see like 8 QBs making a name for themselves every draft. Yet 4 years later how many of those 8 resign starting QB deals and how many fade into obscurity as journeymen never to have their names called again.
5. If you can take Clowney and TB go for it, I doubt the slide is as big as everyone thinks, only time will tell though.
15 days 4 hours 13 minutes
I compare TB's arm strength to Dalton's. Which is not good enough for my tastes. Unless you're good with 10-6 and 1st rd playoff exits. (This is the worst place for a franchise to be. IMHO) After seeing Schaub for so many yrs you would think MB posters would want a guy with more than so so arm strength. But I guess some people never learn.
This sounds like a description of Schaub coming out of college and certainly not a good fit in BOB's offense.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Dalton's issues are caused by a whole lot more than his arm strength. He struggles with accuracy and he panics under pressure. He turns the ball over way too much because of this.
TB is more accurate than Dalton ever was and he makes better decisions under pressure. They both have average arms and decent mobility, but the comparison should end there IMO.