KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
It's ironic that the scouting reports on Schultz coming out of Stanford always mentioned his ability as a very good blocker...guess that didn't age to well.
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TE Dalton Schultz
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SnakeEyes
Under NRG
According to some well phrased articles CJ and Bobby were "not always" on the same page.
What that says to me is CJ was asking WTF on plays and such and Bobby just brushed it aside. And CJ was killed on the next drive by the same play.
As for Schultz...get rid of the lazy player!! Nobody who watched this season can say that he 100% at pretty much any point
Porky
Hall of Fame
Im not completely opposed to Loveland at 25, but only if other options I like are gone. Booker is very Swarm to me. I think he may be the target. May…..just my hunch. Alabama…SWARM for miles, leadership, and top need on the team.
If Loveland is there in the 2nd, I waste no time in turning in the card. Lance compares him to Laporta, but the knock is average at best as a blocker.
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
Imagine if they got a big goon like Booker and Brown got healthy. Run Mixon and Pierce behind those two and the short yardage offense is solved!
calishung7717
Waterboy
Booker is such a bad athlete. Worse than Kenyon. Wouldn't be thrilled if he's the pick.
Look at the Alabama miss rate when it comes to Bama OL. I'll pass on that and at one time I had Booker as a top 1-15 pick, then right or wrong, I looked at Bookers combine pieced that together with the Bama OL that's come out over the last 5 yrs and I'll pass on Booker knowing I could be very wrong.
Yeah, I've got Jackson/Zabel rated over him and have him in the Milum/Membow grouping.
I want no part of Alabama OLmen
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
As a Michigan guy I would love to have him. My concern about his size is there, seems like he needs to add mass for the NFL grind. However, he has all the tools to be a great asset day 1. And he might be around at the top of the 2nd. GMs may worry about his size and take a different TE. Plus, no team is really in that big of need of a TE. They are taking a DE/Edge over TE 99% of the time. So, if we could snag him at the top of the second and don't have to sell the farm to do it.. Let's do it
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
All the reports on Loveland have been generally positive, but from a Texans standpoint it kind of doesn't make sense.
Before I elaborate, you can re-read my big post on Schultz--I don't think he fits with the team identity. I know his days here are numbered. To say I'm not a fan of his style of play and what we've got out of him is an understatement. I've anointed him "Dalton Bagwell" for his love of acquiring stats during garbage time and choking in crucial playoff moments. I think he's ok in the regular season, especially if they would have given him a 1 year deal or his APY was significantly lower.
But he's on our roster so you have to consider him. We got Stover, Jordan, and Bagwell. If we draft Loveland, what is our role for the other guys? I guess you could put him and Bagwell on the field together, but that's going to exaggerate our blocking TE problem. We don't know what Jordan is after his injury, but he's kind of in the same mold as everyone not named Stover. Again, not hating on Loveland at 25, but it seems like it may not be our best course of action depending on what the board looks like at 25 (assuming we don't trade up/back). I guess we could cut Jordan because they aren't going to cut Schultz? But Jordan may be a better weapon that Bagwell.
I guess that's why I'm typing on a message board and not wearing a vest on Kirby.
Before I elaborate, you can re-read my big post on Schultz--I don't think he fits with the team identity. I know his days here are numbered. To say I'm not a fan of his style of play and what we've got out of him is an understatement. I've anointed him "Dalton Bagwell" for his love of acquiring stats during garbage time and choking in crucial playoff moments. I think he's ok in the regular season, especially if they would have given him a 1 year deal or his APY was significantly lower.
But he's on our roster so you have to consider him. We got Stover, Jordan, and Bagwell. If we draft Loveland, what is our role for the other guys? I guess you could put him and Bagwell on the field together, but that's going to exaggerate our blocking TE problem. We don't know what Jordan is after his injury, but he's kind of in the same mold as everyone not named Stover. Again, not hating on Loveland at 25, but it seems like it may not be our best course of action depending on what the board looks like at 25 (assuming we don't trade up/back). I guess we could cut Jordan because they aren't going to cut Schultz? But Jordan may be a better weapon that Bagwell.
I guess that's why I'm typing on a message board and not wearing a vest on Kirby.
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
Whoever gets drafted in the 1st has a possible 5 years of rookie contract to play with… I wouldn’t be concerned about “fit” their rookie season. I don’t see Schultz as a core member of this team after how he played last season. If they bring in a TE I expect them to compete for a roster spot and if it’s Loveland then he would likely be a direct replacement for Schultz this season or next.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
Schultz is only on the team this year because of the structure of his contract... He is GONE next season, surely!!
I wouldn't let below avg talent like Schultz/Jordan keep me from picking difference makers like Warren/Loveland/Taylor at 1-25. Draft one of these guys and if you have to cut Jordan you do it. Speaking of Jordan, he's coming off of an ACL and you dont know what you're going to get from him. Before he was injured he was a decent receiving TE that was a poor blocker. He's living off of the long TD catch in the playoffs. Other than that play what redeeming quality or play made him any different than any other avg TE? He's an H-Back that is faking it as a TE. Live with Schultz for a yr, admit your mistakes and move on. Fortunately this seems to be strenght of Caserio's.
austins23
Hall of Fame
I would love to see his playing time decrease next year.
I'd rather see Q cut than Jordan... Jordan is willing to block anyway
badboy
Hall of Fame
Oh no you didn't!
Signed Bags
Draft one of Taylor/Warren/Loveland in the 1st and this will happen.
Want to add speed to this offense? Not saying I would do this.
Taylor - fastest TE
Bond - 4.35
Blue - 4.28
Tuten - 4.32
There are players I like more than these guys but they're threats to score anytime they toch the ball. Something that's sorely lacking from the Texans offense and these guys would surely stretch a defense out creating more space to operate.
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House of Pain
Wild Speculator
If there is one thing the offensive skill positions are lacking it's speed. We got guys that can get open but usually they need more a couple of seconds to win the route. Don't threaten me with a good time.
Still sucks
That is all.
That is all.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Loveland is more a weapon than a TE or WR. Decent speed, pretty good route runner and a true mismatch for a defense. As an in line TE he isn't going to shock with blocking, but he is going to beat most LBs on pass patterns. In the slot, he will over power and out jump most DBs making him a huge mismatch. And you can even line him out wide. He has just enough speed to annoy a DB and out jump most for a jump ball.
I can see reasons why he could be a very good option at 25. But, not seeing him still around past 15-ish
Errant Hothy
Hypermediocrity
I'd send Schultz and a Day 3 pick to Vegas for Michael Mayer before Andrews; but I don't think LV would go for that.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
As they say, “squeaky wheel gets the grease”. You’ll never know until you ask.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
With his contact I don't think we get past a 6th and maybe only a 7th. And any team that watched last season may not want any part of reworking his deal. Too much risk for a guy going 1/2 speed.
Porky
Hall of Fame
Are you suggesting he is MRAWS? Majorly rewarded and what ****?
Mistakenly Rewarded and Weak Sauce
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
I have noticed something that I at first didn't think was anything. But, over the last few weeks I've been not hearing it more and more.
When asked about CJ, coaches and FO talk about protecting him better and that will help him tremendously to become even better. OL, like it or not they talk about how they feel they can become a good, nasty and aggressive unit. WR, they talk about Nico and Kirk, talk about how well Tank is recovering and what it could look like. About the D, thay talk about how good almost every player is. But, at TE I hear Stover was starting to play well until his shoulder injury (fixed) and how Jordan has to stay healthy but has great ability.
So, what's missing? The fact that you have not heard anything about Schultz. I know I might have missed it, but not 1 time have I heard anything about him. Is it a sign that he isn't going to be on the roster after the draft? They let Tegan walk, so a TE is needed. But no mention of Schultz.
My feeling is that they are either going to trade him during the draft or perhaps even release him. I could be wrong but NOW I am listening to the team every time I hear them and so far...no word on Schultz. I know Nick Caserio and Meco can't be happy with his play.
Thoughts?
When asked about CJ, coaches and FO talk about protecting him better and that will help him tremendously to become even better. OL, like it or not they talk about how they feel they can become a good, nasty and aggressive unit. WR, they talk about Nico and Kirk, talk about how well Tank is recovering and what it could look like. About the D, thay talk about how good almost every player is. But, at TE I hear Stover was starting to play well until his shoulder injury (fixed) and how Jordan has to stay healthy but has great ability.
So, what's missing? The fact that you have not heard anything about Schultz. I know I might have missed it, but not 1 time have I heard anything about him. Is it a sign that he isn't going to be on the roster after the draft? They let Tegan walk, so a TE is needed. But no mention of Schultz.
My feeling is that they are either going to trade him during the draft or perhaps even release him. I could be wrong but NOW I am listening to the team every time I hear them and so far...no word on Schultz. I know Nick Caserio and Meco can't be happy with his play.
Thoughts?
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think you are correct and another area that perhaps no one has considered, his contract has not been reworked to increase cap space as others have been. I think that is extremely significant. Also, note that releases do not bring much relief. Pre June 1st trade (draft?)is what I am looking for: $9 million. I think another team is going to look at 2024 and say to themselves 'Schultz just gave up and a change of scenery is what he needs'. Those teams are also going to say he got a huge increase off of 2023 and that productivity is there to tap. I'm thinking Nick will be working the phones beginning day two. I would really like to have another round three or even a round 4.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Another thing is any love for Loveland over Harold Fannin is confusing for me. Loveland's blocking is at 50% and Fannin at 56 which is significant. Fannin has better stats than Tyler Warren and completely blows away Loveland. Fannin can be had late round two and probably late round 3. Fannin is evaluated as an inline blocker while Loveland is a slot tight end.
Warren and Loveland are considered round one.
Tre Harris at 58 with Grant and Fannin round three is really good. Pop me 3.90 from Rams for Schultz and I add Skattebo. We can argue which round 3 for which player.
Next question if we got these guys..
What do we do with 25? If Jahdee Barron is there and he probably won't be, he's my guy. Otherwise, probably a trade down. Cleveland, I am looking at your 33 and 67 and you know you need to grab your quarterback at 25!
Warren and Loveland are considered round one.
Tre Harris at 58 with Grant and Fannin round three is really good. Pop me 3.90 from Rams for Schultz and I add Skattebo. We can argue which round 3 for which player.
Next question if we got these guys..
What do we do with 25? If Jahdee Barron is there and he probably won't be, he's my guy. Otherwise, probably a trade down. Cleveland, I am looking at your 33 and 67 and you know you need to grab your quarterback at 25!
Where are you getting these numbers from? Loveland's blocking suffered last yr do to a hurt shoulder. He blocked well in 2023 when Corum ran for all of those yds. No way Corum runs for all of those yds if Loveland was doing a poor job blocking.Another thing is any love for Loveland over Harold Fannin is confusing for me. Loveland's blocking is at 50% and Fannin at 56 which is significant. Fannin has better stats than Tyler Warren and completely blows away Loveland. Fannin can be had late round two and probably late round 3. Fannin is evaluated as an inline blocker while Loveland is a slot tight end.
Warren and Loveland are considered round one.
Tre Harris at 58 with Grant and Fannin round three is really good. Pop me 3.90 from Rams for Schultz and I add Skattebo. We can argue which round 3 for which player.
Next question if we got these guys..
What do we do with 25? If Jahdee Barron is there and he probably won't be, he's my guy. Otherwise, probably a trade down. Cleveland, I am looking at your 33 and 67 and you know you need to grab your quarterback at 25!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Unknown TE, Maliq Carr (Houston) has become mine. At 6-6 265 lbs and runs a 4.61-40 makes him my kind of TE, especially when he’s viewed as a blocker first in both the run and pass game. He wasn’t targeted a lot at Purdue, Michigan State, and Houston…..he was an unused weapon.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If you want a lead blocker for your running back, go get a full back.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Any thoughts on why he was not targeted on three different teams? I see that he was tied for 21st tight end.. So an undrafted free agent? He has the size.
I want a TE that can at least wall off the weakside edge and is effective on double teams with the OT's. He also needs to have good hands and enough speed to stretch the defense down the seams. I think in this class there's 5 TE's that meet this criteria. The top 3 dont carry much risk. The last 2 carry significant injury risk.
1. Warren
2. Loveland
3. Taylor
4. Elijah Arroyo
5.Thomas Fidone II
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Schultz came over to Texans via Dallas as free agent signing. Caserio & coaching staff liked him enough, after first season to offer 3 year 36 million dollar contract. That’s not on Dalton, it’s on Caserio. Slowick play calling, scheme seemingly became more dysfunctional year two and didn’t age well. Not only Schultz but OL all the way to CJ.
Changes needed to be made and were. Brought in new OC Nick Caley (I love tight ends) and one voice for OL in Cole Popovich. Shuffled Tunsil out of town and brought in more experienced, veteran offensive lineman to reset culture. Say all that to say this, let’s see how this impacts Schultz before we totally give up on the guy. If he can return or even improve from his first season with Texans it should be welcomed change.
Changes needed to be made and were. Brought in new OC Nick Caley (I love tight ends) and one voice for OL in Cole Popovich. Shuffled Tunsil out of town and brought in more experienced, veteran offensive lineman to reset culture. Say all that to say this, let’s see how this impacts Schultz before we totally give up on the guy. If he can return or even improve from his first season with Texans it should be welcomed change.
paycheck71
Hall of Fame
I am no tape watching analyst, but I do watch some of them on the internet. And I remember a lot of positive comments on Schultz in 2023. I also have friends who are Cowboys fans who think he was their best TE in recent years. I also remember that last season there were games where his effort was non-existent. Especially on plays he wasn't going to get the ball. Either he had an injury we didn't know about or he was just happy to get paid and mail it in...Schultz came over to Texans via Dallas as free agent signing. Caserio & coaching staff liked him enough, after first season to offer 3 year 36 million dollar contract. That’s not on Dalton, it’s on Caserio. Slowick play calling, scheme seemingly became more dysfunctional year two and didn’t age well. Not only Schultz but OL all the way to CJ.
Changes needed to be made and were. Brought in new OC Nick Caley (I love tight ends) and one voice for OL in Cole Popovich. Shuffled Tunsil out of town and brought in more experienced, veteran offensive lineman to reset culture. Say all that to say this, let’s see how this impacts Schultz before we totally give up on the guy. If he can return or even improve from his first season with Texans it should be welcomed change.
CJ gets what CJ wants and he wanted Schultz. What makes you think Schultz will be better? Fandom, Dallas let him go for a reason.Schultz came over to Texans via Dallas as free agent signing. Caserio & coaching staff liked him enough, after first season to offer 3 year 36 million dollar contract. That’s not on Dalton, it’s on Caserio. Slowick play calling, scheme seemingly became more dysfunctional year two and didn’t age well. Not only Schultz but OL all the way to CJ.
Changes needed to be made and were. Brought in new OC Nick Caley (I love tight ends) and one voice for OL in Cole Popovich. Shuffled Tunsil out of town and brought in more experienced, veteran offensive lineman to reset culture. Say all that to say this, let’s see how this impacts Schultz before we totally give up on the guy. If he can return or even improve from his first season with Texans it should be welcomed change.
Schultz was the best available by far. What QB doesn't want a TE to throw to?
Everyone was pretty happy with Schultz after 2023. Just because he shat the bed in 2024 doesn't negate that. I have no problem with taking yet another TE in 2025, but not in the first round
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
I think that he's going to have a "bounce back" year this year, but I don't think there is a path to redemption for him in the eyes of Houston fans. He didn't play well or show the 'rah-rah' stuff that we like from Demeco's players but Slowik seriously misused him. Sometimes both things can be true.
House of Pain
Wild Speculator
Oh and he also plays like a fancy lad
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Any chance that an OC who doesn’t ask Schultz to block edge rushers will get better production from him?
I don't believe that to be true. Travis Kelce was a 3rd round pick, Owen Daniels a 4th. That's just off the top of my head.
He's not that hard to replace or improve on:
2025 fantasy football rankings: Profiles for the top 30 tight ends
24. Dalton Schultz, Houston TexansSchultz is eyeing a rebound in 2025 after he followed up four consecutive top-12 fantasy campaigns with a 20th-place finish (28th in PPG) in 2024. Schultz posted a productive 59-635-5 receiving line in 15 games in 2023 (his first season in Houston), but saw his usage dip last season despite ranking fourth among tight ends in pass routes. Schultz became a nonfactor near the goal line, totaling two end zone targets and two TDs, both of which are his fewest since taking on a regular offensive role in 2020. His history suggests a return to the fringe-TE1 mix is possible and he could see a slight boost in targets with Christian Kirk replacing Stefon Diggs and Tank Dell (knee) in doubt for the season, but he also could lose work to second-year TE Cade Stover. Schultz doesn't have much late-round appeal.
Agreed, replace him with an impact player like Taylor and draft Kyle Williams. This would make a huge impact. I'm a Donovan Jackson guy at 1-25. But the thought of
1-25 Taylor
2-58 Williams
3-79 Tate Ratlege
3-89 I'm a Jarquez Hunter or Brashard Smith guy ,
That's real weapons. I guess this just depends on what you think of Ratlege.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
That sounds great, but how many 1st rd qbs came from OState vs oline from Bama in the last 15 yrs?