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SuperMario > ReggieBush

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We should draft Mario Williams w/ the 1st pick, and trade peek and, or babin for later/future picks.

I'm really stating to like Super Mario over RBush everyday.

I mean we already have DD, Wells, and Morency(which should be the spell back). 2 fullbacks, we're deep at TE and so we can draft OL, SS/FS, CB, WR in order of need after we take MarioWilliams,

a guy like bush comes around 1 in every 10 yrs.
Mario williams comes round in 1 in every 20 yrs. and we'll have the craziest front 4 and our DLine rotation will be crazy too.

eventhough i have money that DD will get injured again this season, i think w/ Kubes scheme Morency/Wells will be able to take over and thrive in it.

I just don't want either Bush or VYoung, Vernon Davis in our Division
 
battlered said:
We should draft Mario Williams w/ the 1st pick, and trade peek and, or babin for later/future picks.

I'm really stating to like Super Mario over RBush everyday.

I mean we already have DD, Wells, and Morency(which should be the spell back). 2 fullbacks, we're deep at TE and so we can draft OL, SS/FS, CB, WR in order of need after we take MarioWilliams,

a guy like bush comes around 1 in every 10 yrs.
Mario williams comes round in 1 in every 20 yrs. and we'll have the craziest front 4 and our DLine rotation will be crazy too.

eventhough i have money that DD will get injured again this season, i think w/ Kubes scheme Morency/Wells will be able to take over and thrive in it.

I just don't want either Bush or VYoung, Vernon Davis in our Division
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Actually I like Mario but players like him come out every 4 to 5 years we had a chance to get one of those talented DE but i will refuse to mention who it is just so i wont get get slammed for bashing D.Carr
 
Ok people the 10 and 20 year thing was an exaggeration, because fast backs that can catch come out often also, hell we had Caddy come out last year, and Portis came out the same year as Carr and Peppers, not to mention Westbrook a year later. Either way Mario is a good pick and the guy is a stud, but I have to say Bush is also. You read my post and know I never have been pro Bush or Young, more trade down for Mario or extra picks to land Winston. Now that Mario has shown his talents people are getting on the bandwagon. Well welcome his 6-7 295lb shoulders can support us all. Wells is not with the team and might not be brought back. If we dont take Bush look for a 4-6th round acquisition of a guy like Gerald Riggs Jr. big tough back that will play similar to Wells but run harder.
 
3 months ago, the idea of getting Reggie made this board giddy. Now that we can select him, he is not as good as a DE from NC state, whos not as good as Peppers.

If you take anyone over Bush, it has to be Young. This franchise needs a boom player in the worst way. And Williams is not a boom player.
 
Maybe you dont understand, take Peppers athleticsm and make it slightly better and put it in a 6-7 295lb body. Also, why the Hell would we take young we need a boom player a double digit sack guy is a boom player, a guy that makes offenses adjust their whole gameplan is a boom player. What are you talking about. Come on I understand the Bush aspect and yeah he is not a bad pick either, but when you look at overall ceiling Mario may have the highest of all the top 5 guys.
 
The fact that we speculate so much on this board on who we should select with the #1 overall pick shows that beggars can indeed be choosers.
 
THE NFL DRAFT said:
3 months ago, the idea of getting Reggie made this board giddy. Now that we can select him, he is not as good as a DE from NC state, whos not as good as Peppers.

If you take anyone over Bush, it has to be Young. This franchise needs a boom player in the worst way. And Williams is not a boom player.
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I am speechless due to this post.
 
Señor Stan said:
Highly rated defensive ends are never ever ever draft busts.

Sincerely,

Andre Wadsworth
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Hell's Bells son. So you are dropping Bidwell's folly on us in this debate? Well done.
 
Wow an Andre Wadsworth reference. Anyone old enough to remember this pick knows it was met with such absolute scrutiny and chuckle throughout the league that coaches knew Bidwell screwed up. Wadsworth had alot of talent but he was picked higher than most thought. I would bring up number 1 overall Courney Brown maybe, that is a better bust type prospect, eventhough he did just get a long term deal from that genius up in Colorado that just suckered the Falcons out of the 15 pick. He moved up 14 spots in the first round for a low 3rd and a 4th, once again can we get him to quit coaching and come be our GM.
 
Given that the coaching staff has some experience putting together a nice offense, I think you go with the 'once in a generation' RB instead of the 'once in a generation' DE.
 
el toro said:
Given that the coaching staff has some experience putting together a nice offense, I think you go with the 'once in a generation' RB instead of the 'once in a generation' DE.
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Since they have experience putting together a nice offense, the two top paid players are on the offense, we have signed out starting TE and continue to peruse for new OL then it would make sense that we would go for the next once in a generation DE seeing how we passed on the last one in 2002. Besides there is a another once in a generation back somewhere in the later rounds, we are just not aware of it at the moment.
 
First we pass on Peppers, now we are passing on Super Mario. If we don't have a pass-rush this year, we know who to blame.
 
el toro said:
Play to your strength. Not everything has to be perfected this offseason.
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That is fine. I prefer we spend where needs abound, since we have already spent money on our perceived strengths.
 
They've spent some money. Bush would take the offense from being average to something else. If Capers was still in charge I wouldn't be so confident about the coaching staff's ability to maximize Bush's value and might go with the 'trade down' camp.
 
First off our defense isn't that bad to begin with. Any defense that is on the field 90% of the game is going to give up points. Even so, if you look at the scores, many times the texans scored under 10 points... you cannot win a football game with only scoring 10 points. Bringing Mario Williams in, yes it would help our defense, but Mario Williams will get tired when he is on the field 40 minutes a game and idk how many points single handedly a Defensive End can score.

So why not draft Bush, make the most interesting and exciting offense the NFL has seen in years, and maybe instead of watching texans games and falling asleep in the 2nd quarter, fans will actually want to watch a full game. Bringing Reggie Bush in excites me, bringing in Mario Williams would give us a 5-12 season and then maybe next year we can draft an offensive tackle in our top 5 pick and make a wild card in 2009 then we start a rebuilding process...
there is no telling what reggie bush can bring.
 
yourfavoritetexan42 said:
First off our defense isn't that bad to begin with.
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The Texans were 31st in total D, 32nd in scoring D--yeah, it was that bad.

Any defense that is on the field 90% of the game is going to give up points.
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The Texans' D was on the field 1 min 50 sec more than the O. Yes the O could have sustained more drives, but the D could have gotten some folks off the field as well.
 
The O was on the field way more...they just don't keep the time on marching off the penalty yardage, or finding shovels to dig Carr out of the ground.

:sarcasm:
 
Just to way in on this I have to go with Mario. I am a big Reggie Bush guy and think he is the best RB to come out since likely LT, eventhough that is selling Clinton Portis short and he has put up phenominal numbers so he is the best in the past 4yrs or so. Mario to me is better than Peppers, which makes him the best to come out well since hell I dont know, couple that with the fact that he has that Shawne Merrimen fire and a Strahan like work ethic and approach to the game. This kid has huge upside. The fact that we have a chance to land a guy that in Bush can play RB and WR and in Mario who can play anywhere in the front 7 is awesome. I just think Mario has that Freeney type of gamechanging ability. I know it would be great to watch Bush scamper back and forth and score from deep, but like someone on the board said Bush can be contained. I look at the UT game and Bush had a great game, but his big play ability was contained by UT just emphasizing to the defense to stay in their lanes thereby preventing his cutback. Without his cutback he is another good back with speed similar to Warrick Dunn. Then you look at the FSU game or any game for Mario and you see a offense that is rolling everyone to his side, constantly checking to see were he is, making adjustments just because he is on the field and you see how that disrupts an offense. Corners are fast enough to hang with Bush and he will affect our O in a way that will make us exciting to watch, but Mario will affect not just our O, but our D, our whole identity. I want a tough Identity, TEXAS TOUGH, I want Jacksonville, Tennessee, Indy, and the rest of the league to not want to see us on Sunday much like the Steelers or Ravens in their hayday.
 
To me, you go with the guy who fits your strength. That's the way to get the most bang for your buck. Adding Bush to the offense that the coaching staff is building will ensure that his value is maximized and that at least one side of the ball is within range of becoming above average.

Getting the team into playoff contention will be a multi-year process. I think you emphasize the offense first since your coaching staff has demonstrated experience in building a great offense, you have some good pieces of raw talent, and you have such a talent like Bush available in the draft. Next offseason, the team can focus more on the D in free agency and in the draft. It's also not like they've totally ignored the D this offseason. Changing to a 4-3 and adding Weaver will be a good first step.

Yes, defense wins championships, but in general you have to have a competent offense who can put points up on the board.

Simply put, this team sucked at both last season, so go with improving the one side with the most promise with your #1 overall.
 
You are one of those guys that goes to the gym and works on your chest and arms because they are the easiest to see improvement. You become stronger overall by working on your weaknesses. Our coaching staff knows offense has proven itself with lower end offensive talent and high end defensive talent because they are not as equipped on the D side. Shanahan did this, and now you want Kubiak to take someone who he can look good with, but still his D is weak. Shootouts are fun to watch, but usually the team with the best D wins.
 
el toro said:
To me, you go with the guy who fits your strength. That's the way to get the most bang for your buck. Adding Bush to the offense that the coaching staff is building will ensure that his value is maximized and that at least one side of the ball is within range of becoming above average.

Getting the team into playoff contention will be a multi-year process. I think you emphasize the offense first since your coaching staff has demonstrated experience in building a great offense, you have some good pieces of raw talent, and you have such a talent like Bush available in the draft. Next offseason, the team can focus more on the D in free agency and in the draft. It's also not like they've totally ignored the D this offseason. Changing to a 4-3 and adding Weaver will be a good first step.

Yes, defense wins championships, but in general you have to have a competent offense who can put points up on the board.

Simply put, this team sucked at both last season, so go with improving the one side with the most promise with your #1 overall.
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The offense already signed its top player by extending Carr. Time to spruce up the defense as we need a safeguard against the offense crashing again. In my opinion a couple of the right acquisitions on the defense can make more of an impact on the team than on offense. I do not have the data to qualify that, just a feel thing.
 
Kaiser Toro I agree with you.
Peek, Weaver, Smith, Mario backed up by Greenwood, Wong/Pierce/rookie, Orr

That is a nice front seven that I would have alot of confidence in. Not only do you get a penetrating DT in Weaver once he gains 10lbs, we have an athletic weakside rusher a stout two gap guy that can also penetrate in Smith, and a passrusher who will force doubles and all types of rotations and shorter drops. On top of that we have greenwood a solid chase down guy, a middle guy that can tackle and play the mid zone and Orr our best pass rusher last year and solid LB coming off the same edge as Mario. A TE or RB is not going to be able to handle Orr. And if you try and not double Mario QB is in trouble. Tell me Texans fans that does not look good to you.
 
Adding Williams is not going to turn the defense around overnight, if at all. Bush + the other changes and additions will at least give up a vastly improved offense and one that has a shot to be above NFL average immediately.

If the team had only one offseason to draft and sign free agents, I could see your points, but that's not the case. If the turnaround starts with the team being a high scoring unit with an average to subpar D, that's a good start. That at least gets you off the mat and in playoff contention. Then you start devoting your cap money to sprucing up the defense.
 
With UT containing Bush he still got 170 yards and a touchdown. And when teams have to focus on one player, you can make them a decoy and allow for other players to kill you. Much like what LenDale White and Dwayne Jarrett did to UT. This is something that Casserly has also talked about when talking about Bush which is why he compared him to Randy Moss that one time. When you can make defenses hesitate or commit to defending a gamebreaker, you can open up the field for the rest of the team.
 
Name a team that went from terrible to having a good offense under a new regime and made the playoffs, because I can name several that went to a good defense and average offense that did it. Just look last year at Chicago. Come on Toro you have to have a better argument than that. Tulexan I see were you are coming from, but Lendale White and Jarrett produced all year and would be or are top prospects. It is not like Bush took the focus from them so Nate Burleson can get 1000 it is more like Bush took the focus so Moss or Larry Johnson could go for a big game. Ok Jarret is not as good as Moss how about 04 Javon Walker. Wags to me TJ is just not that good.
 
tulexan said:
With UT containing Bush he still got 170 yards and a touchdown. And when teams have to focus on one player, you can make them a decoy and allow for other players to kill you. Much like what LenDale White and Dwayne Jarrett did to UT. This is something that Casserly has also talked about when talking about Bush which is why he compared him to Randy Moss that one time. When you can make defenses hesitate or commit to defending a gamebreaker, you can open up the field for the rest of the team.
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Bush and Williams to me are the obvious picks for us at #1. If we trade down to the 3-9 range then Dbrick, Hawk and Huff come into play. These five players fill a need for us at this moment in time. It is simply about value. If we sign a #2 WR then in my opinion Bush's value to the Texans becomes lessened. If we do not then I think Bush has similar value to us as Williams.
 
Did Indy get to where they were prior to last season due to their D? How about the Rams?

Rome doesn't have to be built in a day.
 
Everyone has their own idea of how to build a team, period. There is no "right" way to build a team, but there are plenty of wrong ways. Whether it's Bush or Williams, there is no wrong choice, but it will show what direction the Texans will be heading.

I personally would choose Bush, he's been the consensus #1 pick. William's stock has only risen to this point due to post season and combine hype. I'm not saying he won't be great, but at this point he seems a little over-hyped IMO.
 
How about the Rams? They went from 4-12 to 13-3 under Vermeil and with the acquisition of Marshall Faulk.
 
my opinion:

the bush pick is in the bank. they don't make the recent moves they made if they didn't know they had a first rate playmaker coming. the texans control their destiny so it's not changing unless someone else offers a playmaker and picks for the pick. They didn't pick up role players like the TE, FB and WR to be playmakers.
 
Be Real you are right other than we disagree on the overhype of William's stock. He has produced for 3 seasons at NCST. If he is overhyped so is Bush, who prior to a couple of games in 04 was a glorified scat back and kic returner. Like I said I am a Bush guy, but I just think Defense is the best way to go as far as the other two Tulexan and El Toro. Rams had a good defense that year just check it out and you will see that, and Indy built that offense overtime like you said. That is why the last 3yrs they have gone mainly defense. Titans use to be the class of this division if you remember, Indi had to get Wayne, OL, and Edge before they became a contender That took alot of years, so you guys are saying we need to start now. I have watched to many teams win hardware due to defense and defense sets tones, offense is great to watch, but I want a tone setting team that is feared and respected for toughness not finesse.
 
kingh99 said:
my opinion:

the bush pick is in the bank. they don't make the recent moves they made if they didn't know they had a first rate playmaker coming. the texans control their destiny so it's not changing unless someone else offers a playmaker and picks for the pick. They didn't pick up role players like the TE, FB and WR to be playmakers.
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This I completely agree on. Bush is the Pick. I do not doubt that at all, but that does not facilitate discussion about other possible people that could help our team.
 
In my mind, the only thing that would keep you from going with Bush is if someone offered you something stupid for the #1, something which would leave you with a top 5 pick plus multiple picks in the top 3 rounds and a good player. At present that does not seem to be in the offing.
 
Mario Williams measurables is off the charts, but his lack of motivation on the feild is preventing him from the number 1 pick. Comparing him to Peppers, his body control and movement are not as fluid as Peppers. Peppers is a way better "dancer". His lack of motivation for football sometimes scare me.

Coming out of College, Bush's football instincts and moves are off the charts compared to any running back coming out of college the past 10 years. Bush on the other hand, i see the fire in his eyes he want to be the best ever.

Im just afraid wit mario is that if we lose alot, he will lose motivation and not play hard. I just think Bush just has more fire in him to achieve greatness. Something u can't judge wit measurables.
 
Do you have any goals that you hope to reach your rookie season, like sacks, etc.?
-- Tim, Kenosha, Wis.

I have to set my goals high. Hopefully break all the records rookies have set on the defensive line, go to the Pro Bowl and be Rookie of the Year.

In his Combine interview which can also be found on NFL.com he states he watches film all the time, because when it is said and done he wants to be the best that ever played the position. He then recanted and said he wants to be one of the best to ever play the game. That is desire and drive.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/9312648
 
has anyone on this board actually watched Mario play a football game :cool:

I feel out to pasture :pigfly: on this prospect all I read about are his measureables. did he play in a big time conference against top flight competition? not exactly. to me it would be a stretch at best to take him first little lone pass on Reggie Bush and trade down to take him. I want a sure thing with the Texans #1 pick, Bush fills the bill. in a trade down to a team willing to give us value in return it would almost certainly be a team out of the top 5 & in that case I would have to at least get Hawk to be a happy camper plus a butt load of present & future picks IMO......
 
I saw 1 or 2 games of Mario this season. I remember I wasn't too impressed with him in the VTech game but that was the first game of the season.
 
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