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dat_boy_yec
Rookie
battlered said:
Wells hasn't been re-signed yet and I don't see that happening. About Mario coming around every 20 yrs. I could've sworn Peppers has been out for only 4 yrs.
Not that need should be that big of a part of the equation of picking the # 1
overall, but even if it were it's now a moot issue since we picked up Weaver in FA to play strong side DE in our 4-3. So right now, IMO Bush would represent a bigger upgrade over DD than Williams would of Weaver, and straight up Bush is a better prospect than Williams.
overall, but even if it were it's now a moot issue since we picked up Weaver in FA to play strong side DE in our 4-3. So right now, IMO Bush would represent a bigger upgrade over DD than Williams would of Weaver, and straight up Bush is a better prospect than Williams.
PokerStar
Waterboy
beerlover said:has anyone on this board actually watched Mario play a football game
I feel out to pastureon this prospect all I read about are his measureables. did he play in a big time conference against top flight competition? not exactly. to me it would be a stretch at best to take him first little lone pass on Reggie Bush and trade down to take him. I want a sure thing with the Texans #1 pick, Bush fills the bill. in a trade down to a team willing to give us value in return it would almost certainly be a team out of the top 5 & in that case I would have to at least get Hawk to be a happy camper plus a butt load of present & future picks IMO......
Actually Mario played in the ACC which had the best defensive teams in the country. It also was a very comepetitve conference. Against top flight competiton he played strong and well, against an ok Maryland team he put up big numbers. Just to help you out. So you know that it is not about his measurables, which are enough to make him an interesting prospect, but it is the fact for the last 3 yrs he has been a recognized and rewarded defensive player. He has not had the hype of AJ or the team around him to get him on the national stage but he and the Wolfpack defense single handidly got a bad NCST team into a bowl game.
MorKnolle
All Pro
beerlover said:has anyone on this board actually watched Mario play a football game
I feel out to pasture
I watched a couple games during the season and recently borrowed TV game tape for another 4-5 games from one of my friends that is a fan of their team and watched them all. He had two games this year with 4 sacks (Southern Mississippi and Maryland, not the best teams they played all year but still decent teams). Florida State and Virginia Tech were their two best opponents and he didn't get a sack in either of those games, but he did get a ton of QB pressures. He played LDE and both DT positions every game, I didn't really see this lack of desire that some people claim, there are times he doesn't read play actions real quickly and overpursues plays a little but I didn't see a lack of motor in him, many times I saw quite the opposite and saw him push thru double teams on the line to get at the QB, effectively use a good variety of moves to get into the backfield, drop back into coverage every now and then, and I saw him chase down RBs from the back side of the play a few times. If their defense had any kind of secondary they likely would have had many more sacks, but opposing QBs could chunk the ball out early frequently and their DBs rarely got picks. Either way, I thought he looked great in the 5-6 games I saw of him, and I would have been pissed to be an opposing QB having him rushing your strong side and getting in your face all day long, having Manny Lawson racing around from your blind side, and then their DT McCargo (been mentioned as high as a mid-2nd round pick, but more likely a 3rd rounder) rushing up the middle too. Opposing QBs looked visibly nervous in all the games I saw. Mario also sounds like an intelligent guy and a student of the game, and sounds like he has the desire to be the best he can be. He is definitely my top choice in this draft, but Reggie Bush (I have also been watching some games on him recently since it looks like he'll be our pick, and I've been impressed with what I've seen of him the second time around) would also be a great option at #1 and I definitely look forward to having either one making plays for us next year.
Texans_Chick
Utopian Dreamer
Bamboo said:
Even if you made these same points, supported by facts and not hyperbole, your comments are about VY are not helpful because they do not belong in this thread. It makes the MB more difficult to read when posts are made in the wrong place.
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El Amigo Invisible
Rookie
Did Mario work over anyone but Maryland? His stats are amazing!He makes Julias Peppers look slow. That being said, How well did he do against the power house teams?
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
defense wins championships...if the choice is mario or bush, i want Mario. If the choice is hawk or bush, i want hawk. If the choice is vince or bush, i want vince. If the choice is vernon davis or bush, i want davis.
Mightymike
Waterboy
swtbound07 said:
are you crazy?
What about bush makes you think he's a bust and not the best player in the draft like every team in the league. bush would have the most impact out of all of those players.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
thanks MorKnolle for your candid scouting report that was kinda what I was after, it speaks volumes that you have watched him play & think that highly of him. for me since I have not I can only go on heresay and thats just not enough for me to invest the emotional attachement that will come with when the Texans announce who their top draft pick will be this year.
I would be ok with Mario and take a wait and see approach trusting Kubiac blessed the pick not Casserly. Vince Young is almost a no win situation given Carrs status and McNairs stance. D'Brick is a real possiblity if some grand trade down offer is made. Doubt if any team will offer enough for the Texans to trade down so Bush is easily the hands down favorite to be the man and no one should doubt he is worth the overall top position.
I would be ok with Mario and take a wait and see approach trusting Kubiac blessed the pick not Casserly. Vince Young is almost a no win situation given Carrs status and McNairs stance. D'Brick is a real possiblity if some grand trade down offer is made. Doubt if any team will offer enough for the Texans to trade down so Bush is easily the hands down favorite to be the man and no one should doubt he is worth the overall top position.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Mightymike said:
I am not drinking the kool aid. Since day one, since pre-vincesanity, since people started calling it the reggie bush sweepstakes, i havent wanted him. Reggie to me, is a product of a very interesting set of circumstances...his breakout year was this year, yes? He was running with the offensive juggernaut of lendale white, dwayne jarrett, domonique byrd, winston justice, and matt leinart. So many weapons, defense's couldnt play reggie bush, and everyone ran amuck. Texas played reggie bush. They said let everybody else get their's, we are stopping reggie. And they did. Forget kick return yards, you dont put a #1 pick returning kicks. passing and recieving yards? not amazing like the rest of his season..subtract the yards on the next to last play of game when texas was in a 40 yard prevent defense, and his stats are even less impressive. Draft him for the texans, you know what happens? They put 2 men on andre, 8 in the box, and reggie goes nowhere. we dont have enough weapons for a reggie bush.
dat_boy_yec
Rookie
swtbound07 said:
Yeah you are. You probably don't want him simply because of the hype around him. He had a good yr. his sophmore yr. as well. As for his circumstances Lendales presence hindered him because he didn't get as many touches as he could have to prove he was an everydown back. Byrd was injured most of the season. So they weren't a juggernaut. Even though that is what the hype would lead you to believe. You say that Texas stopped Reggie, but he avg. over six yds. a rush. If that's stopping Bush than I hope the NFL stops him as well. Put eight in the box and motion Bush to slot there are plenty of ways to exploit that formation and I'm positive our new HC is smart enough to do so when he sees it. Also as far as your we don't have enough weapons let me break it down for you.
Jarret=Johnson
White=Davis
Byrd=Putzier
Justice=Pitts (may be a little bit of a stretch, but not much)
Carr=Leinart (yeah I think Carr can prove to be great)
Look at every mock, every draft website, they have Reggie Bush as the number 1 PLAYER. 2-8 are interchangeble, the only constant is Reggie Bush.
He's not just a rb, he's an offensive weapon. He's the best player in this draft period. Just because we have a formidable player in D.Davis, we don't pass on a talent like this.
He's not just a rb, he's an offensive weapon. He's the best player in this draft period. Just because we have a formidable player in D.Davis, we don't pass on a talent like this.
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
Trapped said:
Because the experts always get it right? I remember a sizeable number of pundits that had aaron rodgers as the #1 player, and he fell to 26 i believe? kijana carter was a consensus number 1 at the time of his coming out. No, he isnt the best player in this draft period. By what standard? A heisman trophy...doesnt mean anything. Vince young had better stats last year. Your right, we do have a formidible talent in dominack davis. If your so willing to give David Carr a chance in kubiaks new system, dont you have to be willing to give that same chance to dominack davis? he could turn into terrell davis in the denver system.
bigTEXan8
Rookie
Napa Auto Parts said:
Well then let's not make the same mistake...if it was such a disaster that the Texans took Carr over Peppers, then why are they so quick to take Bush over Williams? I think that taking Bush, as good as he is, over Williams is a mistake, and the Texans shouldn't repeat history.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
swtbound07 said:
Dominack no question has talent but his long term status will remain in doubt until his chronic knee condition can be resolved, the same issue (swelling) he had at LSU that dropped him to the 4th rd. in the first place. And now that you bring up Terrell Davis look at what happened to him....then along comes Clinton Portis. Yes lets imagine what Reggie Bush will do in Kubiacs system...IMO
I know this is slightly off topic, but its a damn shame all this tallent had to come out in the same year. In past years these guys would be damn near no brainer #1 overall picks, now you may have talent like VY fall out of the top ten. Teams having to "settle" for a DE like Mario Williams. It just blows your mind how much talent is in the top of this draft. Now to be on topic, my philosophy stays the same, you can never have enough pass rush! Especially if you can get it with your front 4. It makes poor coverage look servicable, it allows LBs to roam the field and create turnover chances. But either way, with either of these freaks on our team next year, how can you lose. Just my
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
BigBull17 said:I know this is slightly off topic, but its a damn shame all this tallent had to come out in the same year. In past years these guys would be damn near no brainer #1 overall picks, now you may have talent like VY fall out of the top ten. Teams having to "settle" for a DE like Mario Williams. It just blows your mind how much talent is in the top of this draft. Now to be on topic, my philosophy stays the same, you can never have enough pass rush! Especially if you can get it with your front 4. It makes poor coverage look servicable, it allows LBs to roam the field and create turnover chances. But either way, with either of these freaks on our team next year, how can you lose. Just my
drafts dont always appear what they seem friend. Look to the draft of 2004 for guidance
freaks of nature like Kellen "im a soldier" Winslow, Sean Taylor, and reggie williams were to be had. Sean taylor is in prison, winslow is in harley rehab, and reggie is underproductive....other misses from the first round chris perry, rashaun woods, jason babin. Yes, this draft seems incredibly deep....but who knows how these prospects will pan out in a couple of years. I cant think of a single pick that couldnt miss, and miss badly. Reggie could be a bust, matt leinart could be a bust, dbrick could be a bust, mario williams could be a bust....its very dicey.
Kubiak has a proven track record in developing a strong running game. Some say defense wins championships, well so does having an offense that can chew up yards and the clock. This is how a Bush pick can further the Texans' move to winning than going with a stud DE prospect. Davis has had some injury issues. Taking Bush reduces his workload somewhat and also would enhance Davis' impact, IMO. Bush also gives you versatility with his ability to line up as a receiver. Again, if Capers was the coach I could see the logic in trading down, but with a proven offensive coach and his system I think taking Bush is a no-brainer, unless someone offers something stupid (ala HWalker or RWilliams) for the pick.
killeentexan
Practice Squad
and highly rated RB's always work out great!Señor Stan said:
Sincerely,
Ron Dayne
Curtis Enos
Lawrence Phillips
Tim Biakabutaka
Ki-Jana Carter
SteelBlueToro
Waterboy
You don't like Reggie Bush, do you?swtbound07 said:
killeentexan
Practice Squad
and highly rated RB's always work out great!killeentexan said:
Sincerely,
Ron Dayne
Curtis Enos
Lawrence Phillips
Tim Biakabutaka
Blair Thomas
Fixorated it!
el toro said:
In Kubiak's system, look for DD & Morency to gain 1000yards. we'll be a'chewin and a'spittin yards all day long. DD & Morency, heck if you have to, draft D'angelo, or Addai with a later pick.... much safer picks.....
You've got your reciever....... Andre, YOur QB... Carr/Sage/Vince and your Back...... DD
killeentexan
Practice Squad
Agreed - I was just answering the original post about Andre Wadsworth being a bust. All positions and players have a "bust potential". The skill positions, QB, RB & WR have a higher percentage of busts then the OL & DL positions. With that in mind, I would rather see us take D'Brick or Super Mario.Trapped said:
swtbound07
Jackass of Day!
SteelBlueToro said:
good...somebody got it. I was afraid i was being too subtle
I would only want Mario Williams if the Saints Draft Ferguson at #2 leaving Williams at number 4, and the Jets offer us #4, #29, and next years second.
But other than that, i will draft the President over Super Mario.
Too many studs in this draft, but Super Mario and The President are like 1a and 1b.
But Bush will be drafted number 1, the trade down talks only happen if Mario is available at 4, if the Saints draft Mario, then we keep Bush.
But other than that, i will draft the President over Super Mario.
Too many studs in this draft, but Super Mario and The President are like 1a and 1b.
But Bush will be drafted number 1, the trade down talks only happen if Mario is available at 4, if the Saints draft Mario, then we keep Bush.
Some players just have "IT".michaelm said:
When i saw Kobe Bryant and his cocky self enter the NBA, i knew this kid had "IT".
It's not what u say, it's the way you play, I watched a bowl game of NCstate just to evaluate Super Mario, and he took alot of plays off. Manny Lawson motor and desire is way higher than Super Mario's.
Texans>Colts
Waterboy
MorKnolle
All Pro
Trapped said:
You obviously haven't seen many of their games then, Mario's motor is higher than Lawson's for the most part. Lawson is obviously faster but Mario is much bigger and stronger, and he has a much wider variety of moves. He is still a little raw and needs a little work on his technique, but he has amazing physical skills and the intelligence and desire to quickly adjust to the NFL game and be an excellent player. I think he has the potential to have the biggest immediate impact of any player in thisdraft and should be a very productive DE for a long time. He is definitely the best defensive playmaker available and is my #1 prospect in this draft with Reggie Bush as my #2 favorite.
run-david-run
All Pro
lol, Mario ran a 40 time comparable to DD! If we draft him, our strong side DE and our starting running back will be as fast as each other!!!PokerStar said: