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SuperBowl ... Who you got?

Who is your SuperBowl winner?

  • Broncos

    Votes: 55 57.3%

  • Seahawks

    Votes: 41 42.7%
  • Total voters
    96
Carr Bombed said:
His legacy taking a hit has nothing to do with people liking him or disliking him. You don't have to like a guy to respect him, there is plenty of people that I don't like that I respect.. and I simply don't respect his postseason results, which don't remotely come close to what he's been able to do in the regular season when the level of postseason pressure is not applied. Brady (who I don't like) has lost multiple super bowls, but this type of loss would've never tonight happened with him at the helm.

And this has nothing to do with winning multiple superbowls. He didn't even have to win this game to come out on top, he just didn't need to go out in flames. Brady is better, because his team wouldn't of crapped the bed the way Payton's team did.. That would've never happened. Peyton was sitting on the bench and already had his quitter face on at the end of the first quarter, a face he kept throughout the game.

Yes Bradshaw won 4 SBs, but there's a reason why people elevate guys like Marino and John Elway over him... they were better QBs. When people think of those Steeler teams they don't think of Bradshaw, they think of his RB, his WRs, and that defense. You can't say that about the other two QBs you mentioned.

The year Peyton Manning won his championship.. his defense went from being one of the worst run defenses in NFL history (gave up 375 yards against the jags, as well as allowed Ron Dayne to have a field day and completely run over them) to becoming the best postseason defense when they did reach the postseason. It was the running game and defense that carried Peyton to his title. (Basically he was Bradshaw when won the SB)

As fair (or not fair) as it may be, QBs are judged by postseason results (there's a reason why I predicted Peyton to throw two INTs and he did) Peyton just doesn't add up, not in the postseason and that's why I can't consider him "the greatest ever"

Is he one of the best to ever play the position?.. yeah he is.

Is he the greatest ever?.. no he's not.
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Your kidding yourself if you believe the whole legacy talk for the last 2 weeks leading up to the SB wasn't b/c he hadn't won another SB or b/c those folks who really dont like him to begin with were/are still clinging to 1 last thing to justify not ranking him as the greatest ever. and your post is exactly what i was refering to......."when people think...." shouldnt have anything to do with it.
 
I really wanted the Texans to go after Carroll after the 2005 season.

Lucky said:
I can think of million$ of reason$. McNair could make Carroll very $atisfied.

Besides, great coaches love challenges. Can you think of a bigger challenge in football right now than the Texans?

Carroll was 27-21 with 2 playoff appearances at New England. That looks pretty good to me about now. If you're going to judge Carroll solely on what he did in the NFL, you'd never have given Belichick the job in New England. He was 36-44 in his first HC gig in Cleveland.
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What a great program he has built in Seattle. They should be among the best for quite awhile.
 
MetLife Stadium today...

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Would have ruined Peyton's chances of winning. :kitten:
 
Mr teX said:
Your kidding yourself if you believe the whole legacy talk for the last 2 weeks leading up to the SB wasn't b/c he hadn't won another SB or b/c those folks who really don't like him to begin with were/are still clinging to 1 last thing to justify not ranking him as the greatest ever. and your post is exactly what i was referring to......."when people think...." shouldn't have anything to do with it.
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I didn't watch any of the coverage leading up to the game (I make it a point not to, because it becomes redundant and overkill), so I can't comment on that. If it was up to me, they should play the game the next week (on a Saturday) and be done with it just for that reason. So my post doesn't have anything to do with what any talking head said.

My post on Peyton's legacy has nothing to do with anybody hating on him or if he was able to win more SBs or not. It strictly has to do with his performance in the post season, which again has nothing to do with a amount of SB rings.. just his performance in the post season. and just judging him on his performances in the tournament, I can't proclaim the guy "the greatest ever". If you can, that's fine, but we'll just agree to disagree.
 
Goatcheese said:
You don't really believe that, do you?

Pete Carrol has had plenty of NFL offers, including Miami's borderline stalking recruiting efforts. He just mysteriously accepts the lightly regarded Seahawks offer, right before his program is forced to vacate numerous wins, loses scholarships and is banned from future bowl games.

Right, sounds likely. He got while the gettin was good and left all of the kids he recruited to pay the price.

Fug that dude.
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Yes I believe that. How often does the NCAA hand down sanctions against a program and the head coach gets off with no penalty? Bush's position coach was hit with a show-cause and Carroll was found to have not been involved. The USC program got absolutely hammered but the NCAA just lets Carroll walk out of the kindness of their hearts? Yea right.

Perhaps Carroll was waiting for the right NFL offer? And LOL at "the lightly regarded Seahawks offer." The same Seahawks who were just three years removed from a 4 year streak as division champs and only five years removed from a Super Bowl appearance?

Sounds like you either hate him for something that you are wrong about because you haven't properly researched the subject or you don't know why you hate him and just use the USC scandal as an excuse to justify it..
 
Double Barrel said:
lol @ "Legion of Bust". You lose credibility with such lame jabs, especially seeing this unit completely dismantle Peyton Manning's record setting offense.

If "the greatest" cannot overcome a 2 point deficit with 59:40 left on the game clock....
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Well, technically he was 5 pts behind with a mere 55:21 left on the clock before he saw the ball again, but still...
:)
Double Barrel said:
Six times has the #1 defense faced the #1 offense in the Super Bowl.

Defenses are 5-1 in those games.

Peyton Manning and his Broncos were DOMINATED. I don't see how a mere week is going to change the fundamental nature of each team.

Manning has been throwing short passes all season and his receivers have made plays after the catch all season. The Seahawks do not allow offenses to do this because they are so fast and they attack the ball so well that you cannot dink and dunk without a deep threat and expect to win. The Seahawks took away Manning's strengths and exploited his offense's weaknesses.
Fantastic performance by the Seahawks in all phases of the game. They will be back.
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Words cannot express how happy I was to see a team just line up and play ball and ignore all that flapping and pointing and other crap Manning does to "outsmart" the defense.
Yaaay for the team that played old skool football!!

Double Barrel said:
It is a subjective argument, but this game put this one to rest. Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman all have multiple rings and have never lost Super Bowls. Manning clearly has the statistical edge - in a era that heavily favors the passing game, btw - but true legacy of greatness to be G.O.A.T. is built with the accumulation of championships.
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I heard an interview with ESPN's Linda Cohn on 610 radio (I think it was 610) during the week before the Game. She said she didn't even have Peyton in her top 6 or 7. She explains why here. Bottom line, she has more respect for QBs that make plays and "do more with less".

When I thought about it, Peyton has had pro-bowl quality weapons at his disposal his entire career going all the way back to Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison during his rookie year up to Wes Welker, Julius Thomas, Demaryius Thomas, and Knowshon Moreno this year. Sixteen years and always surrounded by first-rate talent at the " skilled positions".
If Peyton's the GoaT, and have always had the weapons, and has always run the same offense, then why just the one ring?
 
bah007 said:
I was at a friend's house watching with about 20 other people. I was the only person pulling for Seattle. I get the Manning man crush, having been on the wrong side of it for so many years. But, I really do not get why that Seahawks team is so unanimously hated. Those guys play their asses off and they are well coached.

Much like this thread (not entirely but the majority), a Broncos rout was predicted before the game by my rowdy friends. I still can't decide if they wanted Denver to win or if they just wanted Seattle to lose.

Fortunately for me, they disappeared into their drinks as I got to watch football as it was meant to be played (IMO). Suffocating defense, well coached special teams, and a patient offense that exploited mistakes. The better team clearly won, which left a lot of people unhappy for some reason.

I know some people only wanted to see a competitive game, but I saw exactly what I was hoping I would see. So I guess I'm in the minority that had a good time.
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Pretty much the way I see it.

I took Seattle in the Pick 'em league 35-31. I didn't see the beat down coming but I'm not in the least surprised. Like you said, Seattle smothered them.
 
Marshall said:
So now he's scamming the Insurance industry (mostly) instead of defending criminals. I'm sure there are a few legitimate victims, but it won't make you much money, certainly not enough to produce a Superbowl commercial.
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LOL - your ignorance knows no bounds.
 
ObsiWan said:
Well, technically he was 5 pts behind with a mere 55:21 left on the clock before he saw the ball again, but still...
:)

Words cannot express how happy I was to see a team just line up and play ball and ignore all that flapping and pointing and other crap Manning does to "outsmart" the defense.
Yaaay for the team that played old skool football!!



I heard an interview with ESPN's Linda Cohn on 610 radio (I think it was 610) during the week before the Game. She said she didn't even have Peyton in her top 6 or 7. She explains why here. Bottom line, she has more respect for QBs that make plays and "do more with less".

When I thought about it, Peyton has had pro-bowl quality weapons at his disposal his entire career going all the way back to Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison during his rookie year up to Wes Welker, Julius Thomas, Demaryius Thomas, and Knowshon Moreno this year. Sixteen years and always surrounded by first-rate talent at the " skilled positions".
If Peyton's the GoaT, and have always had the weapons, and has always run the same offense, then why just the one ring?
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One statistic I heard before the Broncos/Patriots game was that Brady has had 8 pro bowlers on his teams for his career, while Manning has had 28 pro bowlers on his teams.

Mix that overwhelming amount of talent with the fact that he now holds the record as a QB with the most post-season losses in NFL history (12), and I just don't see the case being made for him unless it's only a debate built on passing/scoring statistics alone.

8 times he's been one and done in the playoffs, too. That's another dubious record, too, iirc.

I'm not trying to tear Manning down. I've got mad respect for his skills and career. But, we are talking G.O.A.T., so big picture analysis has to include everything, warts and all.
 
Double Barrel said:
One statistic I heard before the Broncos/Patriots game was that Brady has had 8 pro bowlers on his teams for his career, while Manning has had 28 pro bowlers on his teams.
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Richard Seymour
Wes Welker
Ty Law
Logan Mankins
Vince Wilfork
Adam Vinitieri
Lawyer Milloy
Matt Light
Jerod Mayo
Stephen Gostkowski
Rob Gronkowski
Mike Vrabel
Randy Moss
Asante Samuel
Brandon Meriweather
Larry Izzo
Corey Dillon
Andre Carter
Tedy Bruschi

That's just part way down the list. I think their numbers are off.
 
infantrycak said:
Richard Seymour
Wes Welker
Ty Law
Logan Mankins
Vince Wilfork
Adam Vinitieri
Lawyer Milloy
Matt Light
Jerod Mayo
Stephen Gostkowski
Rob Gronkowski
Mike Vrabel
Randy Moss
Asante Samuel
Brandon Meriweather
Larry Izzo
Corey Dillon
Andre Carter
Tedy Bruschi

That's just part way down the list. I think their numbers are off.
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They may have been talking about offensive side of the ball only.

The Patriots were loaded on defense for those three championships, so I'd imagine that they would certainly have more than 8 from that time period alone.
 
Double Barrel said:
They may have been talking about offensive side of the ball only.

The Patriots were loaded on defense for those three championships, so I'd imagine that they would certainly have more than 8 from that time period alone.
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That's a lot closer. I get 10 not counting a special teams WR who went or Vinitieri. Leaving Vinitieri off seems like a MAJOR omission to me since Brady might not have any rings without him.

Incredibly Aaron Hernandez didn't make it with 910 yds receiving.

Not disagreeing with the overall point although some would argue Manning "elevated" guys around him to probowlers.
 
infantrycak said:
That's a lot closer. I get 10 not counting a special teams WR who went or Vinitieri. Leaving Vinitieri off seems like a MAJOR omission to me since Brady might not have any rings without him.
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Great point, man.

It was one of those NFLN statistics, and we know those things can be framed in a myriad of ways.

I figured it was based on skill positions, with some guys like Marvin Harrison being counted multiple times with numerous pro bowl appearances. Not sure on that part, but that's where my mind went when I saw the stat.

Manning has consistently had better offensive players, but Brady has had better defenses early in his career.
 
2012 NFL Draft Grades: Ranking Teams That Failed on Draft Day
No. 1: Seattle Seahawks

After one of the worst picks in the first round I can ever remember, the Seattle Seahawks didn't draft any positions of need or draft for the future.

Pete Carroll is proving why he didn’t make it in the NFL the first time. Not only was Bruce Irvin a reach at No. 15, the Seahawks proved they were oblivious to their madness by celebrating their selection.

As if the day wasn’t bad enough, Seattle selecting Russell Wilson, a QB that doesn’t fit their offense at all, was by far the worst move of the draft. With the two worst moves of the draft, Seattle is the only team that received an F on draft day.

Grade: F
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Playoffs said:
2012 NFL Draft Grades: Ranking Teams That Failed on Draft Day
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-power-ranking-teams-that-failed-on-draft-day
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lol! Just goes to show that even so-called "experts" are full of crap.

Opinions are like yada yada yada, we know the rest. But, it's true. This guy writes with such authority, such absolutes, that he now comes off as a complete dumbass when that same "failure" of a draft wins an NFL championship.

My hunch is that guys that blather in the media only do it because their self-proclaimed "expertise" is not valued by actual NFL teams.
 
Double Barrel said:
Great point, man.

It was one of those NFLN statistics, and we know those things can be framed in a myriad of ways.

I figured it was based on skill positions, with some guys like Marvin Harrison being counted multiple times with numerous pro bowl appearances. Not sure on that part, but that's where my mind went when I saw the stat.

Manning has consistently had better offensive players, but Brady has had better defenses early in his career.
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That's the way I took the stat/comment. Manning has never been without two or three or more pro-bowl caliber guys to throw to going back to his rookie year.

Joe Montana won his first ring throwing to the likes of Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Charlie Young, and Earl Cooper (Go Owls!!). With the exception of Clark (they replay "The Catch" to death), do you remember any of those guys?
 
Double Barrel said:
lol! Just goes to show that even so-called "experts" are full of crap.

Opinions are like yada yada yada, we know the rest. But, it's true. This guy writes with such authority, such absolutes, that he now comes off as a complete dumbass when that same "failure" of a draft wins an NFL championship.

My hunch is that guys that blather in the media only do it because their self-proclaimed "expertise" is not valued by actual NFL teams.
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Looking through old "day after the draft" grading threads on here is always good for a chuckle.
 
ObsiWan said:
Joe Montana won his first ring throwing to the likes of Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Charlie Young, and Earl Cooper (Go Owls!!). With the exception of Clark (they replay "The Catch" to death), do you remember any of those guys?
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Cool Joe is, in my humble opinion, G.O.A.T.

His 11 TDs and no INTs in Super Bowls, not to mention 4-0 record in the big game, speaks volumes.

Outside of Clark, not only do I not remember, but I would not be able to name one of those WRs for his 1st championship if you put a gun to my head.

b0ng said:
Looking through old "day after the draft" grading threads on here is always good for a chuckle.
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I think the best ones were in 2006 when the VY mancrush was strong and people were speaking full volume absolutes about his certain HoF career (of course, all this before he even played a down in the NFL).

I respect the folks that like to follow draft stuff and make predictions. But, I know better for myself. I don't watch any college ball, so my own thoughts would be based on the opinions of other people. And my powers of prediction are pretty piss poor unless it's a pick'em type of game for NFL games (and even then I'm average).
 
ObsiWan said:
That's the way I took the stat/comment. Manning has never been without two or three or more pro-bowl caliber guys to throw to going back to his rookie year.

Joe Montana won his first ring throwing to the likes of Freddie Solomon, Dwight Clark, Charlie Young, and Earl Cooper (Go Owls!!). With the exception of Clark (they replay "The Catch" to death), do you remember any of those guys?
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I don't know. Has he always had 2 or 3 Pro-Bowl caliber guys or does he make them that way?

Demaryius Thomas averaged 27 catches for 417 yards and 3 TD in his first 2 seasons before 18 arrived. He's averaged 93 catches for 1,432 yards and 12 TD with Forehead throwing the rock to him. Eric Decker, 44 catches, 612 yards, 8 TD before Peyton, and has averaged 86 catches for 1,176 yards and 12 TD in his 2 seasons with Peyton.

And now Julius Thomas, who no one had heard of before the season started, is now up there with the elite TEs in the league?

That said, there's more to this game of football than who has the best QB. And just because you don't have a drawer full of rings doesn't mean you aren't great. Nor does a drawer full mean you are. If that's the case, Terry Bradshaw is the GOAT end of story. And frankly, it's a joke that he's in the HOF. Mark Rypien is not a better QB than Dan Marino. Jim Plunkett is not better QB than Steve Young. Not even close.

This is a TEAM game, NOT a QB game. It's hard enough to win in this league in just the regular season. It's even harder in a win or go home situation like the NFL playoffs where the other side has a TEAM as well.

If Manning throws 2 picks against the 2-14 Texans in December, his team is probably still going to win that game fairly easily. And even if his team doesn't win that game, you move on to next week. Not the case in the playoffs.

Peyton Manning's team lost 4 football games this season. So his team can be beat. Unfortunately for him, one of those losses was the Super Bowl. Eli Manning's team lost 7 games in 2011. It just worked out that one of those 7 losses weren't any of the last 4 they played. That's how shit happens.

Peyton Manning didn't lose that football game Sunday because he's a choker in the playoffs or whatever. He lost because the other TEAM was better than his TEAM - that day.
 
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composed of 64 round diamonds with a tsavorite eye. The logo is framed by 12 diamonds. The Vince Lombardi Trophy, made of one diamond, is in a background of 107 round diamonds. Forty sapphires surround the ring's top.

The Seahawks have not disclosed the cost of the rings. The NFL gives teams $5,000 per ring for up to 150 rings, but teams can spend more on the rings and order more rings. Usually, the jeweler absorbs the extra costs, then releases a line of jewelry for fans based on the ring's design.
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http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2014/06/alabama_players_receive_super.html
 
The Seahawks unveiled their championship rings at a team ceremony in downtown Seattle, with a design that "represents a distinctive tribute to this team, our fans, the Pacific Northwest and the Seahawks victory in Super Bowl XLVIII," said Seahawks president Peter McLoughlin in a statement.
Designed by Tiffany & Co., the white gold ring features a "three-dimensional Seahawks logo of 64 round diamonds with a vibrant emerald hue," according to the team. Forty blue sapphires surround the ring top flanked by two "12" flags, referring to Seattle's "12th man," the nickname of the club's raucous fan base.
The phrases "LEAVE NO DOUBT", "24/7", SEA 43-DEN 8" and "WHAT'S NEXT?" are also engraved inside each ring.
From the look of it, the shindig was a blowout bash, even featuring a private performance from Usher.
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Sweet rings this year.

Favourite part is the "Whats next?" in the middle of the ring. Very Pete Carroll. If there is one coach I want to try and motivate a repeat, it is that guy.
 
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