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SuperBowl ... Who you got?
- Thread starter kingtexan
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I didn't waste my time actually watching the game, but I'm please with the outcome. TEAM wins over QB! And not even close makes it even better.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
Summary of the Super Bowl:
Goatcheese
Texan
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yep, I'll always remember him as the greatest regular season QB who won his only SB when his running back went off in the rain in Miami against a Gross man led Bears.
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deucetx
Rookie
Completely agree. It was nice to see a team win a game the old school way with some sound football instead of fantasy numbers in today's era. Just wished the game was more competitive since we waited two weeks for a complete domination. Oh well. I'm sure Hawks fans aren't complaining about that point though.
HTown2ATX
TexansMetalhead
I didn't see this thread before hand but I was going for Seattle both as I thought they would win and because they have always been my #2 team after Warren Moon went there. Congrats to Seattle.
Unfortunately for one of my co workers who is from Seattle and a big Seahawks fan, she made it public how wrecked she was on Facebook last night partying....apparently she is still at home vomiting and it supposed to be here now lol. She can't even play it off as being sick. FAIL
Unfortunately for one of my co workers who is from Seattle and a big Seahawks fan, she made it public how wrecked she was on Facebook last night partying....apparently she is still at home vomiting and it supposed to be here now lol. She can't even play it off as being sick. FAIL
Well, vomiting could equal sick, I guess.
deucetx
Rookie
LOL I guess that's why folks think the game needs to be moved to Saturday's. It does suck for those who have parties and such then have to run back to work Monday.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
:kubepalm: I can't even begin to mention the number of co workers that I've seen fired over facebook posts. It's the #1 reason why I don't have a account and won't start one.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Choke?
Lol...no. I wouldn't call last night a choke as much as the better overall team winning....The seahawks simply dominated from start to finish in every aspect of the game.
ST...Holliday put the ball on the ground twice & gave up a K return.
Defense: gave up 27 points & didn't get any TO's & played undisciplined.
Offense: turned it over 5 times and put the ball on the ground 2 other times...Manning was under siege all game.
Coaching: Guessing all night on offense & defense while Carroll was being creative on offense.
Just total domination by Seattle. Yeah manning didn't play well, but the whole Broncos team didn't play well & looked unprepared.....Honestly, they looked like that 12-4 Panther's team Fox coached back in 08' that got blown up by the Cardinals in the playoffs...Just totally overmatched.
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HTown2ATX
TexansMetalhead
I don't use FB a lot but I am always careful NOT to post stupid $hit that's for sure.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
Even worse, the QB was Grossman.
Choke?
It was a bad performance, but I'd qualify this in two ways.
(1) His O-line was terrible. It looked a LOT like the Texans O-line we suffered with all season. (There were times I almost thought we WERE watching the Texans O-line.) Peyton rarely had enough time in the pocket to make plays. (Yes, a large portion of that goes in the form of props to the Seattle D, but I think even absent that, the Broncos' O-line was simply putrid, and it's hard for ANY QB to look good under such constant harassment.)
(2) The term "choke" (to me) implies that bad play in the clutch helped turn what should (or could) have been a win into a loss, especially in the fourth quarter. The Broncos were so thoroughly outplayed in all aspects of the game for just about all 60 minutes that I don't even think a good performance from Peyton, given the defense he was up against, would have made a difference in the outcome of the game (apart from perhaps making it closer).
In reality, Tom Brady, as much as I hate everything about the Brady-Belichick Patriots, is probably grinning. After Manning beat Brady in the AFC Championship and Denver won pretty convincingly over the Pats (noting that NE is a mediocre road team at best), some thought Manning' legacy may have taken baby steps toward Brady's, especially if he won this Super Bowl. Well, that talk should be over in terms of post-season performance. I've seen Brady lose playoff games. I've seen Brady lose Super Bowls. I've seen Brady at less than his best in those games. But I've never seen Brady unleash a toxic stinkbomb in a postseason game, let alone a Super Bowl, that was anywhere near this stench-ridden.
Oh yeah -- I remember their "rap", perhaps a bad ripoff of the Super Bowl Shuffle, where Grossman calls himself "Sexy Rexy." I think I want to vomit.
I think Cutler was still in Denver at the time Peyton won his only SB anyway.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Legacy denied!
Agreed.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
you're forgetting that 35-7 stinkbomb Brady & the pats laid in 2009 against the Ravens in the playoffs...but in general i agree with most of what you're saying here. The Broncos were so thoroughly outplayed & outcoached, Manning would've had to have benn perfect for them to even have a shot to win. Apart from that, Brady shouldn't be grinning about anything b/c nearly the exact same thing happened to him in 2007. The only difference here is that at least half of his team showed up to at least give him a chance.
bah007
Hall of Fame
I was at a friend's house watching with about 20 other people. I was the only person pulling for Seattle. I get the Manning man crush, having been on the wrong side of it for so many years. But, I really do not get why that Seahawks team is so unanimously hated. Those guys play their asses off and they are well coached.
Much like this thread (not entirely but the majority), a Broncos rout was predicted before the game by my rowdy friends. I still can't decide if they wanted Denver to win or if they just wanted Seattle to lose.
Fortunately for me, they disappeared into their drinks as I got to watch football as it was meant to be played (IMO). Suffocating defense, well coached special teams, and a patient offense that exploited mistakes. The better team clearly won, which left a lot of people unhappy for some reason.
I know some people only wanted to see a competitive game, but I saw exactly what I was hoping I would see. So I guess I'm in the minority that had a good time.
Much like this thread (not entirely but the majority), a Broncos rout was predicted before the game by my rowdy friends. I still can't decide if they wanted Denver to win or if they just wanted Seattle to lose.
Fortunately for me, they disappeared into their drinks as I got to watch football as it was meant to be played (IMO). Suffocating defense, well coached special teams, and a patient offense that exploited mistakes. The better team clearly won, which left a lot of people unhappy for some reason.
I know some people only wanted to see a competitive game, but I saw exactly what I was hoping I would see. So I guess I'm in the minority that had a good time.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
agree...I wanted to see Manning win, but i didn't mind that Seattle won it...I was happy for Carroll & Wilson...more importantly i was happy b/c i knew somewhere in this great nation of ours John Harbaugh was gonna be pissed off b/c Seattle won....
But yeah, no way could you have watched that game last night & not seen how much better Seattle was coached. They were loose & dictated to Denver the whole game. Harvin coming in & making a big play on that jet sweep early on clearly threw a monkey wrench in whatever Denver had planned on defense b/c Ayers looked lost out there.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
For me it has nothing to do with their swagger, or Richard Sherman's mouth, or any of that. It's the FANS.
They built a new stadium specifically designed to amplify crowd noise, then equate "being loudest" with "being the best fans" and acting like they have been this loyal every year since 1976 instead of getting loud on the bandwagon. They can't even come up with an original moniker for their fan base so they have to "license" a nickname from Texas A&M.
And any time someone says anything about who has the most loyal fans, all they do is point to crowd noise (which to me says more about being drunk and obnoxious than about being passionate).
I have a lot of respect for the Seahawks and how they play the game. But this year their fans have been, on the aggregate as a fan base, highly annoying.
Jim?
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
You can still be one of "the greatest to ever do it" and fall in the top ten.
I'm sorry, Payton's legacy was killed in that game. His body language, his facial expressions on the sideline, his performance in the game, and his ovrl performance in postseason play... His legacy took a hit. He firmly cemented himself behind the likes of Brady, because I highly doubt a Brady led team would've got their asses kicked the way Payton's team did last night. Payton will go down as a all time great (that's a given), especially in the regular season.. he just won't be remembered as "the greatest to ever do it".. and that's where his legacy took a hit, because that's what he was playing for last night. You simply can't ignore his postseason performances... not after that ass kicking and after the other lame ducks he's put up in other playoff games.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
Peyton Manning's 24.4 Total QBR was the worst since Rex Grossman's 7.1 in 2006.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...yton-manning-says-embarrassing-insulting-word
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Mr teX
Hall of Fame
whichever is the whiny one that coaches the 49ers..
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Simple.
Part time fans only seeing this and not looking deeper.
The dude speaks the truth.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
If we knew the magic QBR box we could calculate it but Big Ben's QBR in a winning effort in 2005 had to be even lower.
Ordinary rating Grossman 68.3 v. Big Ben 22.6.
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
bah007
Hall of Fame
I understand that completely. Living down here, I am not exposed to very many Seattle fans so I do not have to deal with them. And "fans" in general tend to irritate me regardless of who they root for.
The Seahawks have been my second favorite team ever since they drafted Earl Thomas. Their roster is also full of players that I loved coming out of college. They always seem to somehow end up with about four or five guys every year that I wanted the Texans to draft.
bah007
Hall of Fame
A lot of people do. I don't get it but you're obviously not alone.
I think he's fantastic.
Dude, you were so right!
D'oh, except you were soooo wrong.
lol @ "Legion of Bust". You lose credibility with such lame jabs, especially seeing this unit completely dismantle Peyton Manning's record setting offense.
If "the greatest" cannot overcome a 2 point deficit with 59:40 left on the game clock....
....then I don't see how you can say this with a straight face.
Six times has the #1 defense faced the #1 offense in the Super Bowl.
Defenses are 5-1 in those games.
Peyton Manning and his Broncos were DOMINATED. I don't see how a mere week is going to change the fundamental nature of each team.
Manning has been throwing short passes all season and his receivers have made plays after the catch all season. The Seahawks do not allow offenses to do this because they are so fast and they attack the ball so well that you cannot dink and dunk without a deep threat and expect to win. The Seahawks took away Manning's strengths and exploited his offense's weaknesses.
Fantastic performance by the Seahawks in all phases of the game. They will be back.
What do you know, man, you're just a football fan, amirite?
It is a subjective argument, but this game put this one to rest. Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman all have multiple rings and have never lost Super Bowls. Manning clearly has the statistical edge - in a era that heavily favors the passing game, btw - but true legacy of greatness to be G.O.A.T. is built with the accumulation of championships.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
His legacy will take a hit with those who already really don't like him..that's fine..Me personally though, I've long discounted the "must win multiple SB's/championships to be considered the greatest" argument simply b/c people are too biased and usually don't take everything into consideration. Brady is considered better than Manning largely b/c he has more SB rings but then those same folks discount a guy like Bradshaw b/c he had 1 of the greatest defenses backing him....but then will elevate a guy like Dan Marino over say John Elway b/c of some other made up personal nonsense. There's just too much that goes into winning SB's let alone multiple ones.
Based on what the guy has done his whole career regardless of the circumstances, he's the greatest to ever do it in my eyes. No 1 qb has ever brought more to the game....imo of course.
Texans who just earned Super Bowl Rings...
Russell Okung Richmond, Tx
Earl Thomas Orange, Tx
Red Bryant Jasper, Tx
Jeremy Lane Tyler, Tx
Michael Bennett Houston, Tx
Mike Morgan Dallas, Tx
May be as close as we'll get for a while guys.
Russell Okung Richmond, Tx
Earl Thomas Orange, Tx
Red Bryant Jasper, Tx
Jeremy Lane Tyler, Tx
Michael Bennett Houston, Tx
Mike Morgan Dallas, Tx
May be as close as we'll get for a while guys.
Excellent coach, but I personally don't like what he did at USC (and I never liked USC). He allowed rampant cheating and rules violations under his watch, and then when the hammer was about to come down (on kids who had nothing to do with the violations and on new coaches who had no role in it) -- he took his ball, went to the NFL and left other, more innocent parties to burn in the flames of the fire he helped to stoke while he avoided all the consequences.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Dude, you were so right!
D'oh, except you were soooo wrong.
lol @ "Legion of Bust". You lose credibility with such lame jabs, especially seeing this unit completely dismantle Peyton Manning's record setting offense.
If "the greatest" cannot overcome a 2 point deficit with 59:40 left on the game clock....
....then I don't see how you can say this with a straight face.
Six times has the #1 defense faced the #1 offense in the Super Bowl.
Defenses are 5-1 in those games.
Peyton Manning and his Broncos were DOMINATED. I don't see how a mere week is going to change the fundamental nature of each team.
Manning has been throwing short passes all season and his receivers have made plays after the catch all season. The Seahawks do not allow offenses to do this because they are so fast and they attack the ball so well that you cannot dink and dunk without a deep threat and expect to win. The Seahawks took away Manning's strengths and exploited his offense's weaknesses.
Fantastic performance by the Seahawks in all phases of the game. They will be back.
What do you know, man, you're just a football fan, amirite?
It is a subjective argument, but this game put this one to rest. Joe Montana, Terry Bradshaw, Troy Aikman all have multiple rings and have never lost Super Bowls. Manning clearly has the statistical edge - in a era that heavily favors the passing game, btw - but true legacy of greatness to be G.O.A.T. is built with the accumulation of championships.
I hear ya DB, but noone considers Bradshaw (& rightfully so) as 1 of the greatest of the great...despite him having been undefeated in the SB, having a 100+ qb rating in every SB he played in...despite him playing & most of the time beating some of the greatest defenses ever assembled in those cowboys and raiders teams of the 70's.
And as i said, there's too much that goes into winning SB's...Every 1 of those qb's you named above had a top rated defense & an all time great HC behind them...
I had to add Russell Okung
bah007
Hall of Fame
Man, that is not what happened there at all. I would think that if you were going to hate somebody for something you would at least make sure you had your facts straight.
USC got hammered so hard because their football, basketball, and women's tennis programs were all under investigation at the same time.
The tennis team was hit because they were using former players to help recruit. The basketball team was hit because O.J. Mayo had been accepting gifts from an agent since before he graduated high school. The football team was hit because of the Reggie Bush scandal.
There was no "rampant cheating" going on. There was only one violation. Only one coach, Todd McNair (Bush's position coach), was implicated in the scandal. Bush was accepting cash and gifts from two agents, Lloyd Lake and Michael Michaels, in exchange for his promise that he would sign with them when he went pro. McNair knew what was going on but instead of reporting it to his superior, Carroll, he tried to help Bush cover his tracks. When Bush went pro he signed with a different agency, and Lloyd Lake sued him. That is how everything became public.
Carroll never "took his ball, went to the NFL and left other, more innocent parties to burn in the flames of the fire he helped to stoke while he avoided all the consequences."
He was offered a NFL head coaching job, which is kind of a prestigious offer. Should he have turned down another shot at the NFL so that he could try to help USC recover from a mess that he had nothing to do with? That's obviously up for debate. I honestly don't think he owed USC anything.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
His legacy taking a hit has nothing to do with people liking him or disliking him. You don't have to like a guy to respect him, there is plenty of people that I don't like that I respect.. and I simply don't respect his postseason results, which don't remotely come close to what he's been able to do in the regular season when the level of postseason pressure is not applied. Brady (who I don't like) has lost multiple super bowls, but this type of loss would've never tonight happened with him at the helm.
And this has nothing to do with winning multiple superbowls. He didn't even have to win this game to come out on top, he just didn't need to go out in flames. Brady is better, because his team wouldn't of crapped the bed the way Payton's team did.. That would've never happened. Peyton was sitting on the bench and already had his quitter face on at the end of the first quarter, a face he kept throughout the game.
Yes Bradshaw won 4 SBs, but there's a reason why people elevate guys like Marino and John Elway over him... they were better QBs. When people think of those Steeler teams they don't think of Bradshaw, they think of his RB, his WRs, and that defense. You can't say that about the other two QBs you mentioned.
The year Peyton Manning won his championship.. his defense went from being one of the worst run defenses in NFL history (gave up 375 yards against the jags, as well as allowed Ron Dayne to have a field day and completely run over them) to becoming the best postseason defense when they did reach the postseason. It was the running game and defense that carried Peyton to his title. (Basically he was Bradshaw when won the SB)
As fair (or not fair) as it may be, QBs are judged by postseason results (there's a reason why I predicted Peyton to throw two INTs and he did) Peyton just doesn't add up, not in the postseason and that's why I can't consider him "the greatest ever"
Is he one of the best to ever play the position?.. yeah he is.
Is he the greatest ever?.. no he's not.
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Goatcheese
Texan
It's Pete Carrol for me. He knew what was going on with his program and bolted right before the NCAA handed down the death sentence to USC. Everybody hates cheaters, especially cheaters who win by doing so.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Read my post just two above yours. He did not know until Reggie Bush was sued by the agent he screwed over. USC was so sure they were clean that they actually requested the NCAA investigation to prove their innocence to the public. What nobody knew was that Bush's position coach knew about what was going on and never spoke up. That's why they got hammered.
And nobody "bolts" to a NFL HC job. It's a step up in the food chain. He's supposed to turn down the opportunity?
Damn dude, go buy yourself a cookie!
Order 39 more for the other geniuses that won the 50/50 odds.
I hear ya', man, which is why I mentioned that it's all subjective.
It really comes down to how you want to frame the debate.
I've got a buddy who thinks Warren Moon is the greatest and has many valid reasons to support his opinion. He will argue until we are exhausted and never budge. I respect his opinion, but do not agree with it at all.
Statistics are often the barometer for many folks, and it's understandable. However, statistics often represent the era, and as we clearly see in the past decade, the NFL has obliged offensives with very liberal rules.
My own metric for this subject comes down to clutch factor, which is why playoff performances/wins, as well as championships, are factored in. It's not the be all/end all for my perspective, but it definitely plays a part of a big factor.
It's a fun debate and one that will never have a clear cut winner (at least until some QB comes along and breaks Manning's record while going 5-0 in the Super Bowl, of course).
Interesting thing about Terry Bradshaw is that he led the league in passing yards one season and had a top ranked offense. But, of course, all the glory of those four Super Bowls goes to the Steel Curtain, and rightfully so. But, Bradshaw was no slouch in those later championships.
Thanks for saving me the typing. My dad is one that has harbored a grudge against Pete Carroll for many years because of the USC scandal with NCAA violations. However, just today, he brings me an article revealing that Carroll had nothing to do with any of it and it all happened behind his back. I cannot find guilt when he was oblivious to the situation.
Goatcheese
Texan
You don't really believe that, do you?
Pete Carrol has had plenty of NFL offers, including Miami's borderline stalking recruiting efforts. He just mysteriously accepts the lightly regarded Seahawks offer, right before his program is forced to vacate numerous wins, loses scholarships and is banned from future bowl games.
Right, sounds likely. He got while the gettin was good and left all of the kids he recruited to pay the price.
Fug that dude.
Sorry I used the wrong quote. I was referring to Mattress Mack's furniture bet.