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Stop Bashing Mario Williams!!!!!!!!!

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redbul41

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Guys, you are so pesimistic. You have to remember that he is a rookie. He will get better as the season comes along. You cant expect him to have sacks yet. He is not a speed rusher. He is a power rusher and player who MUST use technique. he is very raw, but he has all the tools to be great with GOOD coaching.:challenge
 
I think we can bash him all we want.
#1 - He was sold to us as an all around rusher (meaning SPEED as well as power)

#2 - He has been stood up by RBs. Benching a lot doesn't mean you are a good power rusheer, and he's shown nothing other than combine #s to indicate he's a power rusher.

#3 - We were told we couldn't draft VY because he was a project. We were told we didn't draft Bush b/c we already had Davis. We were told Williams would help us out right now. So why do we have to wait for him?

Basically, he did little in college against good teams. He had a great combine, and has now shown us zero, zippo, nada on the field. I think we can complain. If it takes us 3 years to coach himinto a probwol player, it was a bad pick. A #1 overall DE should be NFL ready in his first year. Look at Peppers, Freeney, Rice, etc's numbers.
 
He does gather double teams on almost every play, which SHOULD open up things for the other players on defense. He is getting tackles, but i agree with you, he should have at least 1 sack. Just dont forget he is a rookie.
 
redbul41 said:
He does gather double teams on almost every play, which SHOULD open up things for the other players on defense. He is getting tackles, but i agree with you, he should have at least 1 sack. Just dont forget he is a rookie.
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He is getting double teamed as much as I am. Sorryo is a big boy i'm sure he does not need anyone to coddle him.
 
I agree, you shouldn't expect pro bowl #s for a rookie. But also remember, he is the #1 OVERALL pick. That means he should be better than every other player in the NFL who is also a rookie, and we haven't seen that.

Also, watch the games again. I have only seen double teams on MW during the Philly game. He was being blocked by TEs and RBs in the Washington game. They were toying with him
 
gtexan02 said:
If it takes us 3 years to coach him into a probwol player, it was a bad pick. A #1 overall DE should be NFL ready in his first year. Look at Peppers, Freeney, Rice, etc's numbers.
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i'll take a sub-par 2 years from mario if he developes into a probowler from year 3 on ... it worries me that you wouldnt. mario williams is a very RAW talent and that was obvious before the draft. he was not going to get 3 sacks and 8 tackles in his first game, and was probably going to be slow to adjust because he's young and inexperienced. i'm not sure why people think we got him to make an immediate impact because i dont see how that'd be the case. we got him because he was the best defensive player on the board, and someone we could build this new defense around. we are an expansion team again, this time we're doing it right by drafting defense and offensive line. anybody that thinks those arent what wins games, obviously hasnt ever watched a texans game.

and for the whiners, mario williams has as many sacks as reggie bush and vince young's touchdown totals COMBINED! quite a feat when the saints played green bay and cleveland (two very poor teams).
 
gtexan02 said:
I think we can bash him all we want.
#1 - He was sold to us as an all around rusher (meaning SPEED as well as power)

#2 - He has been stood up by RBs. Benching a lot doesn't mean you are a good power rusheer, and he's shown nothing other than combine #s to indicate he's a power rusher.

#3 - We were told we couldn't draft VY because he was a project. We were told we didn't draft Bush b/c we already had Davis. We were told Williams would help us out right now. So why do we have to wait for him?

Basically, he did little in college against good teams. He had a great combine, and has now shown us zero, zippo, nada on the field. I think we can complain. If it takes us 3 years to coach himinto a probwol player, it was a bad pick. A #1 overall DE should be NFL ready in his first year. Look at Peppers, Freeney, Rice, etc's numbers.
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Its only been 3 games gimme a break lol what player in the top ten drafted this year has blown the nfl out of the water so far this year please tell me i really would like to know. All rookies have to have some kind of adjustment period allow OUR OWN to have his.. of course we want him to be the best right away but time will tell and if it takes 3 seasons for him to become a pro bowler i say that is just in time... THE 1ST OVERALL PICK CRAP IS WAY OVERRATED.
 
Scooter said:
i'll take a sub-par 2 years from mario if he developes into a probowler from year 3 on ... it worries me that you wouldnt. mario williams is a very RAW talent and that was obvious before the draft. he was not going to get 3 sacks and 8 tackles in his first game, and was probably going to be slow to adjust because he's young and inexperienced. i'm not sure why people think we got him to make an immediate impact because i dont see how that'd be the case. we got him because he was the best defensive player on the board, and someone we could build this new defense around. we are an expansion team again, this time we're doing it right by drafting defense and offensive line. anybody that thinks those arent what wins games, obviously hasnt ever watched a texans game.

and for the whiners, mario williams has as many sacks as reggie bush and vince young's touchdown totals COMBINED! quite a feat when the saints played green bay and cleveland (two very poor teams).
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VY has played minimally and has recorded a TD. Bush doesn't get goalline carries. MW has been on almost every single defensive play. And our defense is on the field A LOT.

I don't think we should have to wait 3 years for a DE to develop if he's the #1 overall pick. I can understanding waiting for a QB to develop. Maybe even a skill player. But someone like MW should make an immediate impact. And even if he doesn't, at least he shouldn't be making a negative impact (which he is)
 
Scooter said:
i'll take a sub-par 2 years from mario if he developes into a probowler from year 3 on ... it worries me that you wouldnt. mario williams is a very RAW talent and that was obvious before the draft. he was not going to get 3 sacks and 8 tackles in his first game, and was probably going to be slow to adjust because he's young and inexperienced. i'm not sure why people think we got him to make an immediate impact because i dont see how that'd be the case. we got him because he was the best defensive player on the board, and someone we could build this new defense around. we are an expansion team again, this time we're doing it right by drafting defense and offensive line. anybody that thinks those arent what wins games, obviously hasnt ever watched a texans game.

and for the whiners, mario williams has as many sacks as reggie bush and vince young's touchdown totals COMBINED! quite a feat when the saints played green bay and cleveland (two very poor teams).
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Oh, how soon we forget. What in the heck is DeMeco's excuse? He's a rookie? That kid, whom by the way is half the size of Sorryo, plays his heart out every Sunday. But you guys are right, we shouldn't expect a ROOKIE to play like a pro-bowler. The player SHOULD have it in their heart or not!

And for the record, VY threw a TD. So please stop with all the player comparisons. Bush and VY don't play here. So stop bringing up their names when Sorryo does not perform. It is pretty weak.
 
I tend to think we should bash management for making the choice rather than Williams for being what he is...

From what I have read around here, it doesn't seem like Williams is just slacking because he was picked #1...

I think it will just be a while...he does not appear to have that fire that makes him naturally terrorized everybody on the field...thus if he is to have any chance of being worthy of his selection, he must master the mental part...that will just take time...not his fault...bash management for selecting him at the wrong spot...bash coaches for not bringing him along properly. By that, I mean moving him all over the line, I think he needs to work on technique for just one spot.
 
You do realize that Bush is used as an extra offensive weapon, not the featured back. And that Vy has played only a few series, right?
 
Scooter said:
i must've missed it, i thought he got his TD off of a fumble or something like that. either way he's got a rating of 58 and has as many INT's as TD's so i'll stand by the statement.
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no, it was a nice drive and a pass in the deep middle of the end zone. Spin isnt your strong suit.

Tennessee Titans at 07:59
1-10-TEN31 (7:59) V.Young pass short right to B.Jones to TEN 41 for 10 yards (Q.Jammer).
1-10-TEN41 (7:24) V.Young pass short left to R.Williams ran ob at SD 42 for 17 yards.
1-10-SD42 (6:53) (Shotgun) L.White left end to SD 36 for 6 yards (D.Florence).
2-4-SD36 (6:22) L.White right tackle to SD 31 for 5 yards (J.Cesaire).
1-10-SD31 (5:45) L.White left tackle to SD 31 for no gain (D.Robinson, C.Polk).
2-10-SD31 (5:05) V.Young pass incomplete deep right to B.Jones.
3-10-SD31 (4:59) V.Young pass incomplete deep left to R.Williams (B.Jue).
4-10-SD31 (4:53) V.Young scrambles up the middle to SD 19 for 12 yards (D.Edwards).
1-10-SD19 (4:15) C.Brown left end to SD 19 for no gain (T.Kiel, C.Polk).
PENALTY on TEN-B.Troupe, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SD 19 - No Play.
1-20-SD29 (4:08) (Shotgun) V.Young up the middle to SD 22 for 7 yards (C.Polk, S.Cooper).
2-13-SD22 (3:23) V.Young pass incomplete short right to D.Givens.
PENALTY on SD-S.Phillips, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at SD 22 - No Play.
2-9-SD18 (3:19) V.Young pass incomplete short right to B.Wade.
3-9-SD18 (3:13) (Shotgun) V.Young pass deep left to D.Bennett for 18 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20060917_TEN@SD
 
Everyone was so excited when Williams' story about quitting football to take care of his sister came out. We should have been scared, and realized he didn't have that obsessive love of the game that the great ones do. I think he lacks a little motivation

PS: No matter how great or terrible Vy and RB play, MW's value is determined solely by his play. So far, he's been awful
 
too slow to stop the run either?

I mention him because he was our prize too and no production out these guys..


Robaire Smith? would he have helped this defense? ( I believe that was a salary cap casualty for the future)

I am flabbergasted at our front 4 and how easily this should be the most talented group of guys we have had ...(1-7)

has Gary Walker been picked up by anyone yet?
 
kbourda said:
Oh, how soon we forget. What in the heck is DeMeco's excuse? He's a rookie? That kid, whom by the way is half the size of Sorryo, plays his heart out every Sunday. But you guys are right, we shouldn't expect a ROOKIE to play like a pro-bowler. The player SHOULD have it in their heart or not!

And for the record, VY threw a TD. So please stop with all the player comparisons. Bush and VY don't play here. So stop bringing up their names when Sorryo does not perform. It is pretty weak.
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wow, sorryo. i didnt know we had that many titans fans around here that were mad at the pick. do you even watch the games? point out a play where mario displays "no heart". dont worry, i'll wait. since you missed it, mario's always chasing the play and trying to pump up his teammates. he hasnt quit on a single down. where he's getting beat is on his recognition skills, something that since you're new to football, happens a lot with younger players. he misreads offensive plays and gets beat on poor decisions. the tight end that blocks mario that everyone loves to mention ... follow the whole play. once mario figures out it was a cutback on his side (which at that point is too late), mario throws the TE to the ground effortlessly. he's going to take time to learn.
 
kbourda said:
Oh, how soon we forget. What in the heck is DeMeco's excuse? He's a rookie? That kid, whom by the way is half the size of Sorryo, plays his heart out every Sunday. But you guys are right, we shouldn't expect a ROOKIE to play like a pro-bowler. The player SHOULD have it in their heart or not!

And for the record, VY threw a TD. So please stop with all the player comparisons. Bush and VY don't play here. So stop bringing up their names when Sorryo does not perform. It is pretty weak.
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Demeco's job is read and react....mario's job is contact AT THE SNAP you cant compare the 2 mario's job is much more challenging the only thing is meco is better at what he does than mario is at his job right now.. mario needs time this is not a 3 game judgement project give it time.. realisticly how much could a few sacks by mario matter so far anyway... not much!!! our problems are much deeper than mario himself. focus on the real problem THE ENTIRE DEFENSE!!
 
Stop it, stop it, stop it....your going to make him cry. In all seriousness; it's easy to pile on when things are bad. Its not like the guy is going out there and laying on his face all game long. Give him his fair share of the blame, but remember how money and first round picks we have on the line. They are ALL terrible right now.
 
Vinny said:
no, it was a nice drive and a pass in the deep middle of the end zone. Spin isnt your strong suit.
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i made a mistake and confused it with his first preseason TD. as i said, i must've missed it.

2-8-DEN 13 (11:48) 10-V.Young scrambles up the middle to DEN 2 for 11 yards (21-H.Abdullah). FUMBLES (21-H.Abdullah), and recovers at DEN 0. TOUCHDOWN.
 
Scooter said:
wow, sorryo. i didnt know we had that many titans fans around here that were mad at the pick. do you even watch the games? point out a play where mario displays "no heart". dont worry, i'll wait. since you missed it, mario's always chasing the play and trying to pump up his teammates. he hasnt quit on a single down. where he's getting beat is on his recognition skills, something that since you're new to football, happens a lot with younger players. he misreads offensive plays and gets beat on poor decisions. the tight end that blocks mario that everyone loves to mention ... follow the whole play. once mario figures out it was a cutback on his side (which at that point is too late), mario throws the TE to the ground effortlessly. he's going to take time to learn.
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Attack me all you choose to. Questioning my football knowledge? Ok, i'll take that. Chasing a play, that takes superior heart you're right. Hey, the guy looks like Jason Babin did in his rookie year. I say he plays with no heart and it shows.
 
I think the blame goes on Richard Smith. When Mario came in, we kept hearing about a great "raw talent."

Who's job is it to refine raw talent? I'll go out on a limb and say the coaches. And by no stretch is that happening.

Even the refined talent on the defense looks like hell right now.
 
LCROD said:
Stop it, stop it, stop it....your going to make him cry. In all seriousness; it's easy to pile on when things are bad. Its not like the guy is going out there and laying on his face all game long. Give him his fair share of the blame, but remember how money and first round picks we have on the line. They are ALL terrible right now.
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No doubt.
 
texflex513 said:
Demeco's job is read and react....mario's job is contact AT THE SNAP you cant compare the 2 mario's job is much more challenging the only thing is meco is better at what he does than mario is at his job right now.. mario needs time this is not a 3 game judgement project give it time.. realisticly how much could a few sacks by mario matter so far anyway... not much!!! our problems are much deeper than mario himself. focus on the real problem THE ENTIRE DEFENSE!!
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I know what Sorryo's job is as well as what DeMeco's job is. But don't make it sound like every single play is coming DeMeco's way every single time. That guy plays from sideline to sideline and sometimes from endzone to endzone too. And besides it's not like the other teams are letting DeMeco get to the tackle everytime.
 
Vinny said:
no, it was a nice drive and a pass in the deep middle of the end zone. Spin isnt your strong suit.

Tennessee Titans at 07:59
1-10-TEN31 (7:59) V.Young pass short right to B.Jones to TEN 41 for 10 yards (Q.Jammer).
1-10-TEN41 (7:24) V.Young pass short left to R.Williams ran ob at SD 42 for 17 yards.
1-10-SD42 (6:53) (Shotgun) L.White left end to SD 36 for 6 yards (D.Florence).
2-4-SD36 (6:22) L.White right tackle to SD 31 for 5 yards (J.Cesaire).
1-10-SD31 (5:45) L.White left tackle to SD 31 for no gain (D.Robinson, C.Polk).
2-10-SD31 (5:05) V.Young pass incomplete deep right to B.Jones.
3-10-SD31 (4:59) V.Young pass incomplete deep left to R.Williams (B.Jue).
4-10-SD31 (4:53) V.Young scrambles up the middle to SD 19 for 12 yards (D.Edwards).
1-10-SD19 (4:15) C.Brown left end to SD 19 for no gain (T.Kiel, C.Polk).
PENALTY on TEN-B.Troupe, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SD 19 - No Play.
1-20-SD29 (4:08) (Shotgun) V.Young up the middle to SD 22 for 7 yards (C.Polk, S.Cooper).
2-13-SD22 (3:23) V.Young pass incomplete short right to D.Givens.
PENALTY on SD-S.Phillips, Defensive Offside, 4 yards, enforced at SD 22 - No Play.
2-9-SD18 (3:19) V.Young pass incomplete short right to B.Wade.
3-9-SD18 (3:13) (Shotgun) V.Young pass deep left to D.Bennett for 18 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/playbyplay/NFL_20060917_TEN@SD
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Why are you defending our arch enemy?

I don't care he is from Houston

I don't care he was a Long Horn

He is playing for a team that is going to cause me to root for the Cowboys.

Besides, looks like he was in the game last eight minutes with the game well out of reach. What do the Carr haters call that? Garbage time?

To get back on topic, Mario is stinking it up. We should fire the D-line coach and get someone in there to get Mario to understand how to play with leverage. Mario is just straight up trying to bull rush and this is the NFL not college. I thought that Mario would have developed some sort of tech by now. That boys and girls, is a failure directly reflected upon his D-line coach.
 
kbourda said:
I know what Sorryo's job is as well as what DeMeco's job is. But don't make it sound like every single play is coming DeMeco's way every single time. That guy plays from sideline to sideline and sometimes from endzone to endzone too. And besides it's not like the other teams are letting DeMeco get to the tackle everytime.
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exactly meco is going to the ball as a linebacker mario is trying to do the same as an end not every play is ran to mario's side either and mario has still got to deal with misdirections and playfakes which are easier to read from meco's position READ AND REACT.... i am not debating who is better meco has a better nose for the ball than mario right now all i am saying is let williams learn and adapt. Sorryo lol! that is fine call him that but when he improves and gets better realize that you were one of the doubters that he has proven wrong and this is a good thing...for the good of the team right?
 
cbnjwill said:
saints about to go 3-0. texans 0-3. gee who you think made the right choice
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I don't think that's ever been brought up on this board. You get my vote for the most original post. Ever on this board.

Doesn't even matter that you don't puctuate....or use capital letters....or complete sentences.

You, sir, have truly broken new ground.
 
cbnjwill said:
saints about to go 3-0. texans 0-3. gee who you think made the right choice
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Looks like you made the wrong choice your rooting for the Texans, and at the same time spending all your energy mocking and degrading them.

Wow thats pretty impressive!
 
didnt realize that we were writing a term paper that would be graded im sure your english teacher would be very proud. true saints have capitalized on their weak schedule but going into this weekend this board was full of how terrible the redskins are post and how we should win this weekend
 
cbnjwill said:
saints about to go 3-0. texans 0-3. gee who you think made the right choice
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Having Bush on the Texans doeswn't make them 3-0 nor would the Saints having Mario make them 0-3. Bush has not done anything spectacular for the Saints either, though thus far has produced more than Mario. Our Defense has been awful, again Bush would not be of any help there either.
 
lets all be homers and only have positive things to say about our 2-17 team. carr is a future hall of famer. mario is the greatest DE that will ever play the game. in this scheme we can put anyone at RB and they are gonna put up great numbers. ok guys we just need to give this team our support and they will be great. yippeee. cant wait we are such an improving team.
 
cbnjwill said:
didnt realize that we were writing a term paper that would be graded im sure your english teacher would be very proud. true saints have capitalized on their weak schedule but going into this weekend this board was full of how terrible the redskins are post and how we should win this weekend
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You must have been looking at a different board than me. There wasn't a whole lot of "how terrible the redskins are post" and "how we should win this weekend." There's always a few cheerleaders, though.

Most people with any common sense know that a 2-14 team won't beat a playoff team.
 
cbnjwill said:
lets all be homers and only have positive things to say about our 2-17 team. carr is a future hall of famer. mario is the greatest DE that will ever play the game. in this scheme we can put anyone at RB and they are gonna put up great numbers. ok guys we just need to give this team our support and they will be great. yippeee. cant wait we are such an improving team.
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Yeah. You're right. We should fire the coach, his staff, the GM, and cut about 20-25 players.
 
look there will always be fans who see what they want to see. this team can go 0-16 and there will be post about how we are improving and next year with a couple of good moves we can be right in the playoff hunt. if thats what you choose to believe thats what your always gonna see. personally after year three of the expansion i put away the excuses and see this team for what they are on the field and right now they are a pathetic team.
 
Scooter said:
i must've missed it, i thought he got his TD off of a fumble or something like that. either way he's got a rating of 58 and has as many INT's as TD's so i'll stand by the statement.
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How nice of you to reject reality to substitute your own!Repaet after me lilttle Fonzie I was wro.......the opposite of right!
:redtowel:
 
cbnjwill said:
lets all be homers and only have positive things to say about our 2-17 team. carr is a future hall of famer. mario is the greatest DE that will ever play the game. in this scheme we can put anyone at RB and they are gonna put up great numbers. ok guys we just need to give this team our support and they will be great. yippeee. cant wait we are such an improving team.
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I know the Texans are bad, but I don't think even they could find an extra three loses.
 
cbnjwill said:
look there will always be fans who see what they want to see. this team can go 0-16 and there will be post about how we are improving and next year with a couple of good moves we can be right in the playoff hunt. if thats what you choose to believe thats what your always gonna see. personally after year three of the expansion i put away the excuses and see this team for what they are on the field and right now they are a pathetic team.
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I agree... i see a bad team and BELIEVE they will get better and you see a pathetic team who you criticize like it is not gonna get better. Of course you have your reasons for pessimism and i have mine for optimism. I guess its just about the individual. If your not willing to give it more time CONVERT to a colts fan lol!
 
cbnjwill said:
look there will always be fans who see what they want to see. this team can go 0-16 and there will be post about how we are improving and next year with a couple of good moves we can be right in the playoff hunt. if thats what you choose to believe thats what your always gonna see. personally after year three of the expansion i put away the excuses and see this team for what they are on the field and right now they are a pathetic team.
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Okay...so why are you here? Obviously the Texans aren't your team. The first step is admittance...say it with me now" I am...a Troll"
 
cbnjwill said:
lets all be homers and only have positive things to say about our 2-17 team. carr is a future hall of famer. mario is the greatest DE that will ever play the game. in this scheme we can put anyone at RB and they are gonna put up great numbers. ok guys we just need to give this team our support and they will be great. yippeee. cant wait we are such an improving team.
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Lets all show our true colors as (questionable) fans by mocking our own team, scoffing at them when they make mistakes, hawking over the TV set during the game just waiting for David Carr to screw up so that we can jump with Glee that now we can finally post the message to end all messages. hoping for Mario to play poorly so that we can say that We called it... We're smarter than the texans coaches, they should let us run the team.

I have never seen so many cry babies in one place before.
 
gtexan02 said:
VY has played minimally and has recorded a TD. Bush doesn't get goalline carries. MW has been on almost every single defensive play. And our defense is on the field A LOT.

I don't think we should have to wait 3 years for a DE to develop if he's the #1 overall pick. I can understanding waiting for a QB to develop. Maybe even a skill player. But someone like MW should make an immediate impact. And even if he doesn't, at least he shouldn't be making a negative impact (which he is)
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I know your trying to make a point, but lets now exagerate here. MW starts, but misses atleast a quarter of the snaps on D. The D line continually rotates, almost every other play. How else do you think Weaver, Kalu, Babin, and Peek(other than WK3) get a nice amount of playing time. Also remember, this kid is 21...he declared his true Junior year...one of the youngest to step onto the field...he has to learn.
 
gtexan02 said:
Everyone was so excited when Williams' story about quitting football to take care of his sister came out. We should have been scared, and realized he didn't have that obsessive love of the game that the great ones do. I think he lacks a little motivation

PS: No matter how great or terrible Vy and RB play, MW's value is determined solely by his play. So far, he's been awful
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This is some crap, IMO. His brother in law is KIA, and he offers to take care of his sister, a widow with one child and another on the way, and you say he has lack of motivation for offering to give it all up to support her? It's one thing to lack motivation, but it's another to put a freakin game above the well being of your family. Mario Williams isn't playing real well right now, but it's not because he cares about his family more than the game of football. As far as the great one's having an obsession for the game; Is that why Barry Sanders retired when most thought he had plenty of good years left? There have been plenty of great one's who had large interests in things other than football.
 
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