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Steel B's Mock 1.0

steelbtexan said:
Yes and he's one of the most athletic 6'7 280 lb big man that I've seen in my life. Only reason he doesn't get more notice is Bowers is even more athletic and they use Washington as a blocking TE, which he's elite at doing.
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Fair chance Texans will have 2 picks inside the top ten. Gonna be interesting.
 
Texansphan said:
I'm thinking Levis is worth a shot.
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Woof, please no.

I get the initial interest- he's got the right size, mobility, arm strength. But the dude shows no touch on his throws, has terrible decision-making, and does a poor job protecting the football.

The more I watch him, the less I like. If you are interested in a raw QB with interesting physical gifts, Anthony Richardson is the guy you should be watching- he's a more raw, more talented, 2 years younger version of Levis.

Neither Levis nor Richardson, however, should be selected by the Texans in the first round. Richardson shouldn't even declare.
 
rmartin65 said:
Woof, please no.

I get the initial interest- he's got the right size, mobility, arm strength. But the dude shows no touch on his throws, has terrible decision-making, and does a poor job protecting the football.

The more I watch him, the less I like. If you are interested in a raw QB with interesting physical gifts, Anthony Richardson is the guy you should be watching- he's a more raw, more talented, 2 years younger version of Levis.

Neither Levis nor Richardson, however, should be selected by the Texans in the first round. Richardson shouldn't even declare.
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What do you think of Hendon Hooker?
 
steelbtexan said:
Top 10 pick in the 2024 draft.
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JB said:
Be nice if he slid to the Texans
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Based on the Texans current situation…..getting Washington (2023 RD2) and Bowers (2024 RD1) wouldn’t be completely out of the realm of possibility. That would potentially be one hellava a 2-TE set in the future.

I’d still like to add TE- Averett, Bethune-Cookman much later in the draft. He could be a nice sleeper to help complete the TE room.
 
JB said:
What do you think of Hendon Hooker?
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Although the media already had their pre-selected darlings at QB….I think Hooker has played himself into being the #1 QB in the 2023 NFL Draft. His big test comes next week when they play Georgia.
 
JB said:
What do you think of Hendon Hooker?
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I worry about him being a 25-26 year-old rookie. That's a lot of extra development time that he has on other prospects- for comparison, Stroud just turned 21 this month. That almost-5 years of development time is huge, especially for QBs.

The arm looks good enough, he's athletic, and he seems like a stand-up dude. But if Stroud is going to get flack for the offense he plays in, then I think you need to bring that up for Hooker as well. In my admittedly small sample-size, I'm not seeing full progressions or the need to throw into tight windows. He's going to need to be coached up on that, which is a bummer, because usually the draw for an older prospect is the fact that they don't need to be brought up to speed on stuff like that.

I'd draft him over Levis, but he's not challenging Stroud or Young for QB1 or for a top-10 pick in the draft. At the moment, at least.
 
rmartin65 said:
Woof, please no.

I get the initial interest- he's got the right size, mobility, arm strength. But the dude shows no touch on his throws, has terrible decision-making, and does a poor job protecting the football.

The more I watch him, the less I like. If you are interested in a raw QB with interesting physical gifts, Anthony Richardson is the guy you should be watching- he's a more raw, more talented, 2 years younger version of Levis.

Neither Levis nor Richardson, however, should be selected by the Texans in the first round. Richardson shouldn't even declare.
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You just described Josh Allen coming out of college.

I wouldn't pick Levis, because the odds of Levis having the same career as Allen is slim. IMHO
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Based on the Texans current situation…..getting Washington (2023 RD2) and Bowers (2024 RD1) wouldn’t be completely out of the realm of possibility. That would potentially be one hellava a 2-TE set in the future.

I’d still like to add TE- Averett, Bethune-Cookman much later in the draft. He could be a nice sleeper to help complete the TE room.
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Kincaid is my guy behind Washington.
 
rmartin65 said:
I worry about him being a 25-26 year-old rookie. That's a lot of extra development time that he has on other prospects- for comparison, Stroud just turned 21 this month. That almost-5 years of development time is huge, especially for QBs.

The arm looks good enough, he's athletic, and he seems like a stand-up dude. But if Stroud is going to get flack for the offense he plays in, then I think you need to bring that up for Hooker as well. In my admittedly small sample-size, I'm not seeing full progressions or the need to throw into tight windows. He's going to need to be coached up on that, which is a bummer, because usually the draw for an older prospect is the fact that they don't need to be brought up to speed on stuff like that.

I'd draft him over Levis, but he's not challenging Stroud or Young for QB1 or for a top-10 pick in the draft. At the moment, at least.
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rmartin65 said:
I'd be shocked if he was the first QB taken. Like, I'd be re-evaluating everything I thought I knew about the position of QB at the NFL level.
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What's the difference between Hooker and Stroud? They both play in offenses where they don't have to go through progressions like they would in the NFL. Gimmicky offenses


I always think of Weeden when I think of older QB's. Even though Hooker and Weeden's game have nothing in common.
 
steelbtexan said:
What's the difference between Hooker and Stroud? They both play in offenses where they don't have to go through progressions like they would in the NFL. Gimmicky offenses


I always think of Weeden when I think of older QB's. Even though Hooker and Weeden's game have nothing in common.
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Eh, I'm not entirely sure that is fair. You can see Stroud doing a fair amount of scanning/checking down. It's not an NFL offense (few college teams run NFL offenses... but not all college/gimmicky offenses are the same) and his receivers get open a lot (scheme + talent), but Stroud demonstrates that skill with some regularity. Hooker, not so much.

Yeah, Weeden is a good example of how- at the college level, at least- maturity can be a huge advantage. I think it is probably even more pronounced with Hooker, as Hooker has been a QB and getting QB coaching/reps the whole time, whereas Weeden took years off for baseball.
 
rmartin65 said:
Eh, I'm not entirely sure that is fair. You can see Stroud doing a fair amount of scanning/checking down. It's not an NFL offense (few college teams run NFL offenses... but not all college/gimmicky offenses are the same) and his receivers get open a lot (scheme + talent), but Stroud demonstrates that skill with some regularity. Hooker, not so much.

Yeah, Weeden is a good example of how- at the college level, at least- maturity can be a huge advantage. I think it is probably even more pronounced with Hooker, as Hooker has been a QB and getting QB coaching/reps the whole time, whereas Weeden took years off for baseball.
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I know you're a Stroud guy. I watched most of yesterdays game to see how he would do against a good defense. He didn't impress me at all. The 2nd thing I took from the game was how was Levis not able to beat Clifford out? Clifford is awful.
 
steelbtexan said:
I know you're a Stroud guy. I watched most of yesterdays game to see how he would do against a good defense. He didn't impress me at all. The 2nd thing I took from the game was how was Levis not able to beat Clifford out? Clifford is awful.
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I'm not exactly a Stroud guy- I think he's the best QB available in the draft, but someone has to be, right? I don't have a problem if the Texans select him, but he's not someone I'm particularly excited about. My dilemma is that I don't know if someone in 2024 will be better- and if there is someone better, if that player will even be available when the Texans are picking. Having two top 5-10 picks would be dynamite, because I'd feel a lot better gambling on Stroud if we have another high pick to play with.

Re: Levis vs Clifford- yeah, I'm no Levis fan, but he's better than Clifford.
 
steelbtexan said:
You just described Josh Allen coming out of college.

I wouldn't pick Levis, because the odds of Levis having the same career as Allen is slim. IMHO
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I missed this one earlier.

There are lots of guys who are raw but talented, and while some pan out, others (a majority) don't. Just because one guy made it doesn't mean the next guy will. It's basically the same thought process about OSU QBs- just because some guys failed doesn't mean the next guy will. They all have to be judged on their own merits.
 
rmartin65 said:
I missed this one earlier.

There are lots of guys who are raw but talented, and while some pan out, others (a majority) don't. Just because one guy made it doesn't mean the next guy will. It's basically the same thought process about OSU QBs- just because some guys failed doesn't mean the next guy will. They all have to be judged on their own merits.
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What's your projection of how Stroud would look on a mediocre/bad football team. From what I've seen, Marvin Harrison jr and Egbuka and Smith-Njigba bail him out a lot. Not to mention the OL giving him lots of time
 
rmartin65 said:
I missed this one earlier.

There are lots of guys who are raw but talented, and while some pan out, others (a majority) don't. Just because one guy made it doesn't mean the next guy will. It's basically the same thought process about OSU QBs- just because some guys failed doesn't mean the next guy will. They all have to be judged on their own merits.
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Since the 70's? I would say that's a trend.
 
rmartin65 said:
I'm not exactly a Stroud guy- I think he's the best QB available in the draft, but someone has to be, right? I don't have a problem if the Texans select him, but he's not someone I'm particularly excited about. My dilemma is that I don't know if someone in 2024 will be better- and if there is someone better, if that player will even be available when the Texans are picking. Having two top 5-10 picks would be dynamite, because I'd feel a lot better gambling on Stroud if we have another high pick to play with.

Re: Levis vs Clifford- yeah, I'm no Levis fan, but he's better than Clifford.
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Give me. Williams/Maye or Ewers in 2024. I know everybody is down on Ewers, he inexperienced and has played very little football over the last 2 years, I bet he hasn't played 20 qtrs of football.
 
JB said:
What's your projection of how Stroud would look on a mediocre/bad football team. From what I've seen, Marvin Harrison jr and Egbuka and Smith-Njigba bail him out a lot. Not to mention the OL giving him lots of time
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I think he projects as an above average starting QB (probably around 10-12). I think you can win with guys like that, but you need a good team around them. On a bad or mediocre team, Stroud isn't going to be single-handily winning games, but on the flip side, he's not losing you games. He's contributing positively, but the contribution will be limited based on team talent. I think that is normal for any non-star player, let alone QB.

This is my conundrum, though- is this worth it for a top 5 pick? For any other position I'd say "no", but QBs play a big role in today's NFL.

steelbtexan said:
Since the 70's? I would say that's a trend.
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It's a trend, sure. But that doesn't mean Stroud's destiny is set. Trends get broken. I mean, no Houston team has won the Super Bowl. Does that mean we should never even hope that the Texans could eventually do so? Of course not.

steelbtexan said:
Give me. Williams/Maye or Ewers in 2024. I know everybody is down on Ewers, he inexperienced and has played very little football over the last 2 years, I bet he hasn't played 20 qtrs of football.
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Maybe. I haven't seen enough of Maye or Ewers to give an opinion I feel comfortable standing behind. But yeah, Williams looks good. He's also probably going to be taken before Houston has a chance to select him, provided he continues to progress the way everyone thinks he will.
 
rmartin65 said:
I think he projects as an above average starting QB (probably around 10-12). I think you can win with guys like that, but you need a good team around them. On a bad or mediocre team, Stroud isn't going to be single-handily winning games, but on the flip side, he's not losing you games. He's contributing positively, but the contribution will be limited based on team talent. I think that is normal for any non-star player, let alone QB.

This is my conundrum, though- is this worth it for a top 5 pick? For any other position I'd say "no", but QBs play a big role in today's NFL.
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If the Texans took Stroud with their first pick, I'd sure like them to take Harrison Jr with the second. Add to the defense in FA and later in the draft
 
rmartin65 said:
I think he projects as an above average starting QB (probably around 10-12). I think you can win with guys like that, but you need a good team around them. On a bad or mediocre team, Stroud isn't going to be single-handily winning games, but on the flip side, he's not losing you games. He's contributing positively, but the contribution will be limited based on team talent. I think that is normal for any non-star player, let alone QB.

This is my conundrum, though- is this worth it for a top 5 pick? For any other position I'd say "no", but QBs play a big role in today's NFL.



It's a trend, sure. But that doesn't mean Stroud's destiny is set. Trends get broken. I mean, no Houston team has won the Super Bowl. Does that mean we should never even hope that the Texans could eventually do so? Of course not.



Maybe. I haven't seen enough of Maye or Ewers to give an opinion I feel comfortable standing behind. But yeah, Williams looks good. He's also probably going to be taken before Houston has a chance to select him, provided he continues to progress the way everyone thinks he will.
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Agreed, I'm not drafting a guy who most likely will be a top 10-15 QB if he beats the trend with a top 10 pick.

Check them out when you get time. Each of them are more talented.
 
Has there been a QB that transferred out of Alabama or OSU recently? The last two have done well. The ones that graduate from there don’t for some reason.
 
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rmartin65 said:
I think he projects as an above average starting QB (probably around 10-12). I think you can win with guys like that, but you need a good team around them. On a bad or mediocre team, Stroud isn't going to be single-handily winning games, but on the flip side, he's not losing you games. He's contributing positively, but the contribution will be limited based on team talent. I think that is normal for any non-star player, let alone QB.

This is my conundrum, though- is this worth it for a top 5 pick? For any other position I'd say "no", but QBs play a big role in today's NFL.



It's a trend, sure. But that doesn't mean Stroud's destiny is set. Trends get broken. I mean, no Houston team has won the Super Bowl. Does that mean we should never even hope that the Texans could eventually do so? Of course not.



Maybe. I haven't seen enough of Maye or Ewers to give an opinion I feel comfortable standing behind. But yeah, Williams looks good. He's also probably going to be taken before Houston has a chance to select him, provided he continues to progress the way everyone thinks he will.
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What are your thoughts on Young? He seems a little light but will likely bulk up with professional training/diet.
 
TexansBull said:
Has there been a QB that transferred out of Alabama or OSU recently? The last two have done well. The ones that graduate from there don’t for some reason.
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Quinn Ewers (5*) in 2022 from OSU to UT..
Jack Miller (4*) in 2022 from OSU to Florida..
Paul Tyson (4*) in 2022 from Alabama to ASU..

Not suggesting the star rating is any kind of end all be all or anything, just to differentiate from the kind of walk-ons or lower end type of recruits who transferred and never really stood a good shot of playing much anyway. These are kids who were thought to have real starter/contributor material.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Quinn Ewers (5*) in 2022 from OSU to UT..
Jack Miller (4*) in 2022 from OSU to Florida..
Paul Tyson (4*) in 2022 from Alabama to ASU..

Not suggesting the star rating is any kind of end all be all or anything, just to differentiate from the kind of walk-ons or lower end type of recruits who transferred and never really stood a good shot of playing much anyway. These are kids who were thought to have real starter/contributor material.
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That’s really good information. Thank you.

I will watch their careers with great interest.
 
Texansphan said:
Fair chance Texans will have 2 picks inside the top ten. Gonna be interesting.
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Of course that tie is gonna mean the Texans will draft after every other team that has their # of wins, so don't be so sure that we get two top five picks.
 
IDEXAN said:
Of course that tie is gonna mean the Texans will draft after every other team that has their # of wins, so don't be so sure that we get two top five picks.
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Seems like a more than a few teams would need to go into hardcore “tank” mode to keep up with the Texans.
 
IDEXAN said:
Of course that tie is gonna mean the Texans will draft after every other team that has their # of wins, so don't be so sure that we get two top five picks.
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How many teams have a shot at finishing with 1 win?
 
IDEXAN said:
No now I don't think we are gonna win 5 or 6 games but I think we'll win another game or two, don't you ?
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No I don't. I think the Wash. game there might be a small chance but very small. Jags at home is always a possibility because it's the Jags, but I really don't expect any more wins.
 
I watched Sunday's game. We are done winning. We had like 67 yards of offense going into the 4th quarter, and gave up 300+ yards rushing to a team we knew had to run. Only stupid teams cannot scheme up a win against the Texans. Detroit will luck into a win or two with their offense, get some turnovers or something. Worst Sunday I have watched in a long time
 
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JB said:
No I don't. I think the Wash. game there might be a small chance but very small. Jags at home is always a possibility because it's the Jags, but I really don't expect any more wins.
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Appreciate your straightforward response.
So anyway what's your thoughts about Mills @ this point in his "progress", and of his chances to be our QB in the longer term ?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Quinn Ewers (5*) in 2022 from OSU to UT..
Jack Miller (4*) in 2022 from OSU to Florida..
Paul Tyson (4*) in 2022 from Alabama to ASU..

Not suggesting the star rating is any kind of end all be all or anything, just to differentiate from the kind of walk-ons or lower end type of recruits who transferred and never really stood a good shot of playing much anyway. These are kids who were thought to have real starter/contributor material.
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Throw in Matt Barkley and the kid who played under O'Brien. Hell, my son is a 4.5 star co/24. Stars doesn't mean anything honestly.
 
IDEXAN said:
Appreciate your straightforward response.
So anyway what's your thoughts about Mills @ this point in his "progress", and of his chances to be our QB in the longer term ?
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I don't think Mills has a chance when paired with Lovie/Pep. I was thinking Texans needed to wait for a QB but now I think they have to move one one they believe in. If not in the draft then in FA. Mills seems too insecure
 
When watching College Football it’s important to evaluate on difficulty of opponent. This is especially true of QB position. That’s why big stats really don’t tell the whole story, need to dig deeper when traits and tendencies fully tested only then can you measure with some pertinent data points.
 
JB said:
I don't think Mills has a chance when paired with Lovie/Pep. I was thinking Texans needed to wait for a QB but now I think they have to move one one they believe in. If not in the draft then in FA. Mills seems too insecure
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They shouldn't draft one this yr but they probably will. Very Texans like. History is repeating itself. Drafting 2nd tier QB's always works out well. Best we can hope for is Young is the pick and the tiny guy can stay healthy.
 
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beerlover said:
When watching College Football it’s important to evaluate on difficulty of opponent. This is especially true of QB position. That’s why big stats really don’t tell the whole story, need to dig deeper when traits and tendencies fully tested only then can you measure with some pertinent data points.
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True, which is why I dont want them to pick a QB in this draft.

Young has impressed me the most. What do you think the chances of him staying healthy are? What do you think the chances of him becoming Brees/Tarkenton and not Flutie or Murray?
 
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