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State of the O-line

Hard for the same hand off up the middle with 7 on the line that gets no push to work when the other team has seen that exact play a million times on film. When we start running zone reads the run game will open more. until then it won't go anywhere. That's what helped the run game last year. But again we've totally thrown out everything from last year and this year running a very basic offense.

What ever it takes to get that running game going again that's what they need to do! They won't beat Philly without a solid run game. Gurley was held to only 48 yards on 12 carries when the Eagles played the Rams and the Rams O-line is considered one of the better lines in the league. Philly's Defensive strength is in their defensive linemen. If the Texans can establish a solid run game early (Hopefully with Foreman in the mix.) maybe we won't have to see DW4 running for his life trying to extend plays waiting for someone to get open. Would love for this coaching staff (BOB, Devlin, Ryan, whoever!) to come up with some creative rushing schemes that will completely neutralize Philly's front 7 and see the RB's run wild down field like they did in the Titans game! I know, wishful thinking on my part! I can dream can't I? :)
 
You guys need to really pay attention b/c we do all this stuff you just can't run that stuff for a full game. This has been talked about ad nauseum on here & the radio.

That last drive against the Jets when we scored a TD didn't work because we went 5 wide & started dumping the ball short...It worked b/c we used tempo. But you can't run tempo for a full 60 b/c it loses its effect on the defense after a while...Kinda think that's why BoB broke it out when he did b/c we were in a must score situation with limited possessions left.

Plays are also called that move the pocket for DW4...you see alot of play-action boot calls from BoB....plus DW4 naturally moves the pocket himself when he scrambles, but when you do that you cut the qb's field in 1/2 for viable throws...double edge sword.

We also run the hell out of those bubble screens to Nuk/DT...we run them so much that they've become less effective than they were just 2 games ago. We used to get 5-8 yds off those & DT nearly broke one for a TD against washington I believe. Now, we barely get 2-3 yards off of them b/c teams know its become a staple of our offense to mitigate their rush on our sorry ass o-line...Indy blew it up...the Jets blew it up. Screens to the rb would likely meet the same fate if we started running them too much.

& I don't know about the Colts "frequently" bringing a 6th lineman, but the reason we end up in situations with sub par TE blocking is b/c we at least want to maintain the threat of pass with those guys on the field. Can't do that with a 6th lineman on the field frequently.

No. We don't do any of the things I mentioned.

Establishing a rhythm is not about "tempo."

Moving the pocket is not about Watson adlibbing.

Working on RB screens doesn't involve WRs catching the ball.

& yes, the Colts have regularly used a 6th man.

Now I didn't say pick one of these & do it all game. Most professional offenses utilize these elements. We don't use any of them.
 
No. We don't do any of the things I mentioned.

Establishing a rhythm is not about "tempo."

Moving the pocket is not about Watson adlibbing.

Working on RB screens doesn't involve WRs catching the ball.

& yes, the Colts have regularly used a 6th man.

Now I didn't say pick one of these & do it all game. Most professional offenses utilize these elements. We don't use any of them.

Straight lies dude...these elements are utilized....and anyone closely watching knows we do.
 
Closely watching the teams we play.

You can argue we don’t use some of those elements ENOUGH...but we do use them.

As far as rhythm, hard to get it when you’re behind the chains on 1st down all the time. One of the ways you can get it? By using tempo.
 
You can argue we don’t use some of those elements ENOUGH...but we do use them.

As far as rhythm, hard to get it when you’re behind the chains on 1st down all the time. One of the ways you can get it? By using tempo.

I think that's the issue most people have is that we don't use them enough. Obviously QB bootlegs isn't a big part of the EP system, but I think it's something a lot of people think can certainly help out our young athletic QB. Same with motions, we use them some(more when Coutee was in and starting to ramp up a little bit with Carter but still not to the level of the 'creative' teams like Rams and Chiefs) I think many think this can help Watson decipher some of the disguised looks he was been getting. As far as going up tempo to establish a rhythm, that's all well in good but there is a very fine line you have to skirt with it. You try going up tempo, but go 3 and out now your defense has almost no rest before getting back out there
 
I think that's the issue most people have is that we don't use them enough. Obviously QB bootlegs isn't a big part of the EP system, but I think it's something a lot of people think can certainly help out our young athletic QB. Same with motions, we use them some(more when Coutee was in and starting to ramp up a little bit with Carter but still not to the level of the 'creative' teams like Rams and Chiefs) I think many think this can help Watson decipher some of the disguised looks he was been getting. As far as going up tempo to establish a rhythm, that's all well in good but there is a very fine line you have to skirt with it. You try going up tempo, but go 3 and out now your defense has almost no rest before getting back out there

Give Watson the talent the Rams/Chiefs have and I will agree with you.

There's no Gurley/Cooks/Woods

Hill/Kelce on the Texans.
 
I think that's the issue most people have is that we don't use them enough. Obviously QB bootlegs isn't a big part of the EP system, but I think it's something a lot of people think can certainly help out our young athletic QB. Same with motions, we use them some(more when Coutee was in and starting to ramp up a little bit with Carter but still not to the level of the 'creative' teams like Rams and Chiefs) I think many think this can help Watson decipher some of the disguised looks he was been getting. As far as going up tempo to establish a rhythm, that's all well in good but there is a very fine line you have to skirt with it. You try going up tempo, but go 3 and out now your defense has almost no rest before getting back out there
You don't go uptempo unless you're moving the ball
 
Give Watson the talent the Rams/Chiefs have and I will agree with you.

There's no Gurley/Cooks/Woods

Hill/Kelce on the Texans.

Why? You don't have to be a highly talented receiver to go in motion, it's something you've been doing since middle school or high school. You don't need super star weapons to run bootlegs, the only real weapon the Bears have is Cohen and they do this stuff in spades to help their young QB. I think it has more to do with offensive philosophy than a lack of talent.
 
State of the OLine would sure be in a better spot if Brooks was still here:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...brandon-brooks-career-houston-texans-pro-bowl

When Bill O’Brien first arrived in Houston in 2014, one of the first orders from his regime was to scrub the walls in the hallway of NRG Stadium, where players walked to lunch every day, removing giant images of Texans’ Pro Bowlers.

The actual removal of the images didn’t matter as much as the symbolism behind it. It was a reminder to Brandon Brooks and the rest of his teammates that things were about to change. And they did.

But now, every day when Brooks walks down the hallway of the NovaCare Complex, he can see his image, with a growing number of Pro Bowl years listed under it, and smile.

It’s a new reminder: Coming to Philadelphia has really worked out for Brooks. And it has really worked out for the Eagles.

“I wanted a fresh start, man,” Brooks said Wednesday, the day after he was named to his second consecutive Pro Bowl. “Wanted to go somewhere else. I came here and it’s the best decision I made.”

’S--- was miserable’
Brooks made some headlines this summer, talking about his time under O’Brien in Houston. Back in June, he told a reporter, “S--- was miserable, every day. Every day.”

On Sunday afternoon, Brooks will look across the field and see O’Brien. He’ll see his first NFL team, with which he had some great highs and some miserable lows.

“I’m not going to lie,” Brooks said this week. “I’m going to be excited. Will probably be a little bit emotional out there.”

When Brooks made those comments in the summer, they weren’t off the cuff. That’s the way he felt for a long time. When his teammate and friend Lane Johnson came under fire for his comments about the Patriots, Brooks couldn’t hold it back anymore and told everyone what he really thought about the way the Texans were run under one of Bill Belichick’s disciples.

I was there in 2014, when O’Brien took over control of that team. I was covering the Texans for the now-defunct CSN Houston. O’Brien seems to be a pretty good coach, but he’s gruff; he’s not for everybody, and neither is the way he ran that building. Some players seem to really latch on to that coaching style; some don’t. Brooks didn’t.

Part of the big problem in Houston for players like Brooks was that O’Brien’s coaching style was such a stark difference from former head coach Gary Kubiak. Kubiak’s style as a head coach was a lot like Doug Pederson’s — he was a players’ coach and his guys loved him. Those are the kind of coaches who allow and encourage players to be themselves and let their personalities loose. When O’Brien came to town, it seemed in many ways like an authoritarian takeover. Some of the Texans didn’t know how good they had it.

"Very good player, tough guy, smart guy, did an excellent job for us here," O'Brien said about Brooks in a conference call with Philly reporters this week. "Obviously, in free agency, he took an opportunity to go to Philly. Definitely wanted him back but it was an opportunity that he couldn’t pass up. But we definitely enjoyed coaching him here."

A new home
The money was close back in 2016 when Brooks decided to sign with the Eagles, but lucky for him, the Eagles offered a little bit more, with a five-year deal worth $40 million. It gave him a good excuse to bolt town and come to an organization he felt wanted him more.

And when he got to the Eagles in 2016, something special was already happening. Pederson had taken over and had brought some color back to a building that had been grayed by Chip Kelly.

It felt like home, with guys who quickly became like brothers and an offensive line coach in Jeff Stoutland who quickly became a father figure.

Perhaps that’s the reason Brooks was able to attack his anxiety head-on. When he missed two games in 2016, it was eventually determined that it was his anxiety that was making him physically ill before games, something he was never able to pinpoint in Houston. In the Texans’ defense, that organization didn’t know he was dealing with anxiety. In fact, they thought a stomach ulcer was to blame. But his feeling of home in Philadelphia allowed him to publicly open up about his issues and fight them head-on.

“Truly like brothers, man,” Brooks said. “I think that’s what continues to allow us to fight through our games, continues to allow us to not be frustrated on the sideline when something doesn’t go our way, allows us to believe in each other.”

Pretty damn high
Free agency began in the NFL in 1993 and my colleague Reuben Frank has covered the Eagles since before then. He has previously created lists of the top free agents in Eagles’ history, so I messaged him Thursday to ask where Brooks ranks.

“Pretty damn high,” Frank said back.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

There’s Troy Vincent, Malcolm Jenkins, Jon Runyan, Nick Foles (if he counts), Asante Samuel, Ricky Watters, Nigel Bradham, William Fuller, and Irving Fryar, who made those previous lists. Brooks has to be right in the mix.

He’s still just 29 and is in his second straight Pro Bowl season. He helped the Eagles win a Super Bowl in 2017 and Doug Pederson called him the “glue” that has held together the offensive line through an injury-riddled 2018 season.

“I think he’s the best in the league at what he does,” Lane Johnson said.

The Eagles are lucky to have him. And Brooks is definitely happy to be here. He’ll get a reminder of that Sunday.
 
As far as rhythm, hard to get it when you’re behind the chains on 1st down all the time. One of the ways you can get it? By using tempo.

Stop calling the same damn play on first down.

Seriously though, cool avatar.

But our offense is predictable. We've got two tricks & everybody knows when we're going to bring them out.

There was a string of three games back there it looked like our offense was progressing. Then we played the Colts & vanilla was back in style.

Maybe there was a reason for that. Maybe BO'b felt we were getting ahead of ourselves & needed to pump the brakes, get back to basics & perfect the little things before moving on to phase II.

Maybe because he had a new WR. Maybe his OL were dropping like flies.

I don't know. But it's something. Something more than the limitation of the talent he has because the things I'm talking about are used to compensate for lack of talent.
 
Fuller was the key to O’Brian playbook then Coutee (hamstrung). So goddamit mix in the two rookie TE’s. Be physical as possible line of scrimmage, keep it simple, but don’t I repeat don’t run it on first down. That I cannot handle watching anymore, especially with out of town guests :pissed:
There's this little hope at the back of my mind that OB has a section reserved at the back of the playbook of killer plays to these 2 rookie TEs for the playoffs.
Surely you can scheme some nice mismatches out of these 2.
 
Give Watson the talent the Rams/Chiefs have and I will agree with you.

There's no Gurley/Cooks/Woods

Hill/Kelce on the Texans.

The Texans might have a couple of future Kelce's on the roster and I'm just waiting for OB to figure out how to get them there. The Jordan's are both, real deals at the TE position. The Texans must get their OL figured out so the TE's can fully develop into the offensive weapons they should be.
 
You can argue we don’t use some of those elements ENOUGH...but we do use them.

As far as rhythm, hard to get it when you’re behind the chains on 1st down all the time. One of the ways you can get it? By using tempo.


We utilizes them sparingly. Meaning not enough.
 
Stop calling the same damn play on first down.

Seriously though, cool avatar.

But our offense is predictable. We've got two tricks & everybody knows when we're going to bring them out.

There was a string of three games back there it looked like our offense was progressing. Then we played the Colts & vanilla was back in style.

Maybe there was a reason for that. Maybe BO'b felt we were getting ahead of ourselves & needed to pump the brakes, get back to basics & perfect the little things before moving on to phase II.

Maybe because he had a new WR. Maybe his OL were dropping like flies.

I don't know. But it's something. Something more than the limitation of the talent he has because the things I'm talking about are used to compensate for lack of talent.


But that's the thing we have the talent. They're not utilitie correctly. I understand the offensive line is at question here. But the lack of talent there can be masked with everything you mentioned.
 
The Texans might have a couple of future Kelce's on the roster and I'm just waiting for OB to figure out how to get them there. The Jordan's are both, real deals at the TE position. The Texans must get their OL figured out so the TE's can fully develop into the offensive weapons they should be.
I like those two TEs; both were excellent picks They are rookies and the TE position is one of the harder positions to learn. Over the next three years it should be exciting watching them progress.
 
Fuller was the key to O’Brian playbook then Coutee (hamstrung). So goddamit mix in the two rookie TE’s. Be physical as possible line of scrimmage, keep it simple, but don’t I repeat don’t run it on first down. That I cannot handle watching anymore, especially with out of town guests :pissed:

Another thing that gets me, we'll catch the defense by surprise & break off a big run. Then, since it worked, we'll do it again. Then, since it worked we'll run it again & surprise... somehow they figured it out & we fail miserably killing the drive.
 
Yes



Maybe Watson should get credit for Watson's 2017.

This is part of a long streak. Backup QBs come in and win when OB has to go off plan. Maybe the plan sucks.

10 wins and counting.

BTW, I dont consider this team to be a true contender.

I do think BOB has done a great job of helping mask weaknesses on both sides of the ball.
 
10 wins and counting.

BTW, I dont consider this team to be a true contender.

I do think BOB has done a great job of helping mask weaknesses on both sides of the ball.

Watson was sacked 6 times last game. If that's masking... sheesh.

I think BO'b is doing a fantastic job getting this team to a state where they can win games. But I think it's more from a mental fortitude standpoint, where a HC makes his money, than from a schematic or OC standpoint.
 
Watson was sacked 6 times last game. If that's masking... sheesh.

I think BO'b is doing a fantastic job getting this team to a state where they can win games. But I think it's more from a mental fortitude standpoint, where a HC makes his money, than from a schematic or OC standpoint.

The OL is that bad.

Checkout the PFF OL rankings. They tell the tale .

Agreed with the rest of the post.
 
Watson was sacked 6 times last game. If that's masking... sheesh.

I think BO'b is doing a fantastic job getting this team to a state where they can win games. But I think it's more from a mental fortitude standpoint, where a HC makes his money, than from a schematic or OC standpoint.

The OL is that bad.

Checkout the PFF OL rankings. They tell the tale .

Agreed with the rest of the post.
 
The Texans might have a couple of future Kelce's on the roster and I'm just waiting for OB to figure out how to get them there. The Jordan's are both, real deals at the TE position. The Texans must get their OL figured out so the TE's can fully develop into the offensive weapons they should be.

Wasn’t that long ago (Colts game I believe) where the TE group led the receiving corps and had a combined 10-12 receptions and had a 120 or so of total receiving yds....that’s more total receptions and yards than Nuk and DT combined. He’ll Lamar Miller had more receptions than Nuk that game. Watson was sacked 5 times....and we lost by the way. Next game we get back to doing what we do & win again.

My point...there’s simply not enough football to go around, but we’re not going to win by force feeding our TEs like u all think either....at least not this year. None of those guys pose the deep threat that Nuk is and he’s still our go to guy and he’s the guy that we need to be force feeding. All the other receiving threats are best utilized how they currently are.....as complimentary threats. Fact of the matter is the TE’s are more Important to the blocking scheme than to the pass game right now. Maybe next year that changes with another year in the system under their belt, more talent on the o-line and a healthy Fuller and Coutee. But right now......
 
State of the OLine would sure be in a better spot if Brooks was still here:

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelp...brandon-brooks-career-houston-texans-pro-bowl

I have to post this again. The article makes it sound as if diagnosing his severe anxiety disorder was based on him being able to "open up." By no means is this necessary to make the diagnosis. In fact, the diagnosis is strongly and mostly based on objective findings and observations..........perceptive conclusions by medical personnel. Brooks' displaced anger mainly directed towards O'Brien is entirely inappropriate. Let's stop propagating misinformation [not you, Uncle Rico........the press, bowing to Brooks' burning anger]. Brooks was originally served up with a bad situation which could have been avoided.........but so was OBrien.

I am really getting tired of hearing this story. Again, this is all ignoring that Brooks suffered with very severe anxiety disorder which was never properly diagnosed or treated by the Texans medical staff. Instead, he was treated for the occasional end result............gastro-duodenal ulcers. Brooks would routinely get "sick" prior to games and sometimes before practices strictly due to the anxiety. O'Brien and the coaching staff, having to rely on the medical staff's evaluation that there was essentially nothing really wrong with Brooks, in turn interpreted his "attitude" and affected performance as Brooks just dogging it. Understandably, O'Brien pushed Brooks to an extent that he felt undeservedly and unmercifully "ridden." Then, he goes to another team, is properly diagnosed and treated, and turns everything around..........yet still directing his anger mostly against the wrong entity..........O'Brien.
 
I have to post this again. The article makes it sound as if diagnosing his severe anxiety disorder was based on him being able to "open up." By no means is this necessary to make the diagnosis. In fact, the diagnosis is strongly and mostly based on objective findings and observations..........perceptive conclusions by medical personnel. Brooks' displaced anger mainly directed towards O'Brien is entirely inappropriate. Let's stop propagating misinformation [not you, Uncle Rico........the press, bowing to Brooks' burning anger]. Brooks was originally served up with a bad situation which could have been avoided.........but so was OBrien.

Thx Doc,

Posts like this make TT the best football MB on the internet.
 
Wasn’t that long ago (Colts game I believe) where the TE group led the receiving corps and had a combined 10-12 receptions and had a 120 or so of total receiving yds....that’s more total receptions and yards than Nuk and DT combined. He’ll Lamar Miller had more receptions than Nuk that game. Watson was sacked 5 times....and we lost by the way. Next game we get back to doing what we do & win again.

My point...there’s simply not enough football to go around, but we’re not going to win by force feeding our TEs like u all think either....at least not this year. None of those guys pose the deep threat that Nuk is and he’s still our go to guy and he’s the guy that we need to be force feeding. All the other receiving threats are best utilized how they currently are.....as complimentary threats. Fact of the matter is the TE’s are more Important to the blocking scheme than to the pass game right now. Maybe next year that changes with another year in the system under their belt, more talent on the o-line and a healthy Fuller and Coutee. But right now......

Well, I think there is enough football to go around. I don't think we are throwing enough. I'll go back to what I said before:

One thing that would help out the OLine, running game, and deep passing game, is to establish a short passing game with more quick slants and crosses. If Watson starts getting the ball out of his hands faster, it will force the LB's to start dropping back in coverage more, which will open up the running game. Likewise, those quick slants and crosses will make the DB's start playing up, which will open up more opportunities downfield. Most of all, if Watson gets rid of the ball sooner, he will be hit less, and the OLine will look better because they won't have to hold their blocks as long. Watson does throw a lot of underneath stuff, but they are usually checkdowns after he has given up on passes downfield.
 
Wasn’t that long ago (Colts game I believe) where the TE group led the receiving corps and had a combined 10-12 receptions and had a 120 or so of total receiving yds....that’s more total receptions and yards than Nuk and DT combined. He’ll Lamar Miller had more receptions than Nuk that game. Watson was sacked 5 times....and we lost by the way. Next game we get back to doing what we do & win again.

My point...there’s simply not enough football to go around, but we’re not going to win by force feeding our TEs like u all think either....at least not this year. None of those guys pose the deep threat that Nuk is and he’s still our go to guy and he’s the guy that we need to be force feeding. All the other receiving threats are best utilized how they currently are.....as complimentary threats. Fact of the matter is the TE’s are more Important to the blocking scheme than to the pass game right now. Maybe next year that changes with another year in the system under their belt, more talent on the o-line and a healthy Fuller and Coutee. But right now......

Never said anything about force feeding the TE's.....I simply stated that they become bigger weapons when OB finally figures out how to incorporate them in the offensive gameplan. That all starts with an improved OL so the TE's are not glorified OL.
 
Never said anything about force feeding the TE's.....I simply stated that they become bigger weapons when OB finally figures out how to incorporate them in the offensive gameplan. That all starts with an improved OL so the TE's are not glorified OL.

I agree. Getting the TEs involved in the passing game could/should help the WRs in the passing game. Safeties, or under coverage needs to be cheating to the TEs in the middle of the field, opening up the underneath lanes for the deeper threats.
 
I'm starting to rethink my take on Rankin from earlier in the year. I still have hope that he can be a good interior lineman but he's going to have to make a big leap to get to good.
 
I'm starting to rethink my take on Rankin from earlier in the year. I still have hope that he can be a good interior lineman but he's going to have to make a big leap to get to good.

Let's face it, the O-line class this past draft wasn't very good and then to compound that with the fact the Texans didn't have a pick until round 3 only made things worse. On top of all that Rankin gets hurt in OTA's (and I believe had to have surgery) and wasn't ready until the 1st game. Yes, he's going to need a lot of work in the off season and yes, he should play on the interior. And yes, the Texans have a lot of work to do on this whole O-line during the off season!
 
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